[05:24] <jibel> morning
[05:49] <didrocks> good morning!
[06:11] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers!
[06:20] <didrocks> good morning oSoMoN!
[06:21] <didrocks> jbicha: fontconfig needs merging as well
[06:21] <didrocks> for new mutter
[06:22] <didrocks> (or at least, package update)
[06:22] <didrocks> I'm going to do the other upload first then + blog post, and whoever tackles the update first does it :)
[06:24] <flexiondotorg> Morning didrocks oSoMoN jibel
[06:25] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks, jibel
[06:25] <oSoMoN> morning flexiondotorg
[06:27] <didrocks> hey flexiondotorg
[06:36] <vithiri> :coffee: (hexchat needs support for emoticons)
[06:49] <vithiri> If I use the Super + numbers key to swap between windows in 17.10, the numbers on the icons remain after releasing the Super key until I bring up the Activities screen using the Super key. Can anyone reproduce, and which package should this be reported against?
[07:14] <didrocks> vithiri: can't reproduce, but you should file that against upstream dash to dock directly IMHO
[07:22] <koza> duflu, hey fyi we have missed (or only I) a bluez upload for xenial and others that fixes the blueborne cve.
[07:22] <duflu> koza, "missed" like it exists in Debian? Elsehwree?
[07:22] <duflu> Elsewhere
[07:23] <koza> duflu, no missed like i realized yesterday afternoon that it has been uploaded to archives
[07:23] <duflu> koza, oh right. So just missing from git. That's fine, we can update git out-of-order
[07:24] <koza> duflu, i know, just FYI in case it went under radar
[07:24] <duflu> That's fine. Happened a few times
[07:24] <duflu> At least now the Vcs info is there people have less excuse and might do it less
[07:24] <koza> :)
[07:28] <duflu> koza, oops. Actually the Vcs info is still wrong in xenial. No one's to blame but us. And we should thank people for applying security fixes
[07:28] <koza> of course
[07:36] <duflu> koza, https://git.launchpad.net/~bluetooth/bluez/log/?h=xenial
[07:53] <koza> duflu, sweet
[07:57] <duflu> koza, all you need to do is "rm -rf debian/" and then extract the latest debian tarball from archive :)
[07:58] <duflu> And "git add" and commit, and push, and tag...
[07:58] <koza> sounds like star wars tech ;-)
[08:00] <willcooke> morning all
[08:00] <didrocks> hey willcooke
[08:00] <willcooke> Seems like we missed the exciting bluetooth news yesterday :)
[08:00] <willcooke> morning didrocks
[08:00] <didrocks> well, the fix was already uploaded on Tuesday anyway
[08:00] <willcooke> ah, kk
[08:01] <willcooke> I read the website about it, and it seemed a little light on facts.  The "Linux Demo" was a Tizen watch, but I assumed it was BlueZ
[08:01] <koza> willcooke, yes it is
[08:01] <willcooke> So could someone have got a shell on an Ubuntu machine via Bluetooth?
[08:02] <Laney> yo
[08:02] <koza> willcooke, android also uses bluez
[08:02] <koza> willcooke, seems so
[08:02] <willcooke> aiee
[08:02] <duflu> Morning willcooke
[08:02] <koza> willcooke, pretty convenient if you forget your login passwd ;-)
[08:02] <willcooke> hehe
[08:02] <koza> all we need to do is to document this passwd retrieval methid properly
[08:03] <duflu> I don't think Android is affected (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth_stack#BlueDroid)
[08:05] <duflu> OK, Android is affected. Not sure what they use now. Maybe the flaw is in common code
[08:07] <didrocks> hey hey Laney
[08:14] <Laney> moin didrocks
[08:14] <Laney> any news?
[08:15] <koza> duflu thing called fluoride https://android.googlesource.com/platform/system/bt
[08:15] <koza> c++ thing
[08:15]  * duflu made the mistake of trusting Wikipedia
[08:16] <jbicha> didrocks: fontconfig? why?
[08:17] <duflu> Anyone know if the panel colour changed in 3.26 final? Is it still translucent or black?
[08:17] <alexarnaud> Good morning all
[08:17] <duflu> Hi alexarnaud
[08:18] <jbicha> duflu: it would be highly unusual for there to be a major UI change like that after the .0 stable release so it appears to be final for 3.26.*
[08:19] <didrocks> jbicha: it depends on .12
[08:19] <didrocks> jbicha: we only have .11
[08:19] <didrocks> Laney: nothing fancy, you?
[08:19] <duflu> Sounds like it would look good with Adwaita I guess
[08:19] <jbicha> didrocks: where are you seeing that?
[08:19] <didrocks> duflu: it's still translucent
[08:19] <didrocks> duflu: basically status-quo won
[08:19] <didrocks> (against designer's choice)
[08:20] <duflu> More like last person to blink. You could argue the status-quo was its unchanged appearance the previous few years :)
[08:20] <didrocks> jbicha: mutter built on debian has this dep, I will need to try a rebuild and see if it's just because fontconfig is using shlibs instead of a .symbols file
[08:21] <didrocks> duflu: yeah, but status-quo was in that context "it's like that, we are post code freeze"
[08:21] <jbicha> didrocks: oh, that dep won't be there when you rebuild on Ubuntu
[08:21] <Laney> fontconfig has >= upstream-version shlibs
[08:22] <duflu> didrocks, OK then... if it's staying maybe we'll need to match up the colours of the panel and dock
[08:22] <duflu> translucency
[08:22] <Laney> didrocks: went to a folk club gig last night, going to a different one tonight and it looks like a great day outside
[08:22] <Laney> YEAHHHH
[08:22] <didrocks> duflu: yeah, working with upstream DtD on this
[08:22] <Laney> although only like 14°
[08:23] <didrocks> ok, so it's just a shlibs…
[08:23] <didrocks> didn't look yet ;)
[08:23] <didrocks> waow, it's more here, but not much more (warm)
[09:43] <jbicha> Laney: please review ffe LP: #1698035
[09:44] <Laney> didn't you just add that minutes ago?
[09:45] <jbicha> yes but we'd like it to land before User Interface Freeze, right?
[09:54] <duflu> Laney, what package was your setupcon fix?
[09:54] <duflu> gdm maybe?
[09:56] <Laney> duflu: console-setup
[09:56] <Laney> it just tries to avoid running it
[09:57] <Laney> jbicha: I understand, but I also get emailed about new freeze exceptions and I know that UIF is today, so some slack would be appreciated please
[10:01] <Laney> btw we had already talked about it and didrock_s said he'd review the code change
[10:03] <didrocks> (he is even *testing* it right now :p)
[10:03] <didrocks> only nitpicks on the code change
[10:04] <Laney> ♥
[10:06] <didrocks> jamesh: feedbacks published while building/testing
[10:06] <didrocks> (if we can avoid an UIFe that way…)
[10:07] <Laney> we should probably think about doing the link from Region & Language -> Language Selector or whatever it was we said to do for 17.10
[10:08] <didrocks> yeah, I think jbicha was on this, correct?
[10:10] <Laney> dunno
[10:13] <didrocks> jamesh: hey! did you look at whoopsie-preferences?
[10:13] <didrocks> despite the switch status, I don't see any changes in /etc/whoopsie
[10:13] <didrocks> (it can be the daemon being broken, I don't see anything wrong in your signal/dbus handlin)
[10:13] <didrocks> handling*
[10:16] <didrocks> ah, it's handling for this the systemd service directly
[10:16] <didrocks> via calling systemctl
[10:17] <jamesh> didrocks: I can definitely see the property change in whoopsie-preferences from d-feet
[10:17] <didrocks> (actually, IIRC, I did that patch…)
[10:17] <didrocks> correct, it was me: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/whoopsie-preferences/0.14 :p
[10:17] <jamesh> didrocks: this is toggling report_crashes, while /etc/whoopsie on my system only mentions report_metrics
[10:17] <didrocks> yeah
[10:17] <didrocks> I changed that some years ago
[10:19] <didrocks> works well!
[10:20] <didrocks> jamesh: so, +1, please look at my comment until the FFe is reviewed
[10:20] <Laney> I already approved it
[10:21] <didrocks> nice! let's wait for jamesh's feedback thus
[10:38] <jamesh> didrocks: I've pushed the changelog update, and replied to your comments
[10:40] <didrocks> jamesh: interesting, the style of each panel is so different
[10:40] <didrocks> jamesh: most of panels are using casting
[10:40] <didrocks> but ok, as that one doesn't do this
[10:40] <didrocks> jamesh: sponsoring thus
[11:39] <willcooke> hi Dmitrii-Sh
[11:39] <willcooke> :)
[11:39] <willcooke> didrocks, :) ^
[11:39] <Dmitrii-Sh> willcooke: o/
[11:39] <didrocks> Dmitrii-Sh: hey!
[11:39] <Dmitrii-Sh> didrocks: o/
[11:39] <didrocks> Dmitrii-Sh: so, you have some env mixup I head?
[11:39] <didrocks> can you describe it?
[11:40] <didrocks> (we know of some GDM issues, but want to confirm it's the same thing first)
[11:40] <Dmitrii-Sh> 1 sec
[11:41] <Dmitrii-Sh> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GP106M [GeForce GTX 1060 Mobile] (rev ff)
[11:41] <Dmitrii-Sh> Model name:          Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-7700HQ CPU @ 2.80GHz
[11:41] <Dmitrii-Sh> ➜  ~ dpkg -l '*nvidia*' | grep ii
[11:41] <Dmitrii-Sh> ii  nvidia-381                       381.22-0ubuntu0~gpu17.04.2 amd64        NVIDIA binary driver - version 381.22
[11:41] <Dmitrii-Sh> ii  nvidia-opencl-icd-381            381.22-0ubuntu0~gpu17.04.2 amd64        NVIDIA OpenCL ICD
[11:41] <Dmitrii-Sh> ii  nvidia-prime                     0.8.4                      amd64        Tools to enable NVIDIA's Prime
[11:41] <Dmitrii-Sh> ii  nvidia-settings                  384.69-0ubuntu0~gpu17.04.1 amd64        Tool for configuring the NVIDIA graphics driver
[11:41] <mdeslaur> Laney, jbicha: do you guys have a gdm3 3.26.0 upload planned? if not, I'll upload a security fix to 3.25.90...
[11:42] <Laney> it needs merging
[11:43] <Dmitrii-Sh> https://pastebin.canonical.com/198391/
[11:43] <Dmitrii-Sh> didrocks: so, that's the packaging side
[11:43] <didrocks> Dmitrii-Sh: can you describe your mix env issue? (I don't think it's especially with your graphic cards/model name)
[11:45] <Dmitrii-Sh> didrocks: yes there are a couple: either with or without modeset I am unable to use a wayland session with an nvidia card
[11:45] <Dmitrii-Sh> I suppose this is normal. The screen flickers a bit and then an x session is launched
[11:45] <Dmitrii-Sh> on that session I have styles applied in a strange way
[11:45] <Dmitrii-Sh> basically, top and bottom bars are white
[11:46] <Dmitrii-Sh> so no ubuntu theme even with the right packages
[11:46] <oSoMoN> chrisccoulson, there's a new release of chromium (61.0.3163.79) ready for publication at https://launchpad.net/~canonical-chromium-builds/+archive/ubuntu/stage/+packages
[11:46] <didrocks> Dmitrii-Sh: nvidia blog binary driver doesn't support wayland, so you are fallbacked to X, which is expected (and it's not a flicker-less experience)
[11:47] <Dmitrii-Sh> didrocks: display settings do not persist either with or without nvidia enabled
[11:47] <Dmitrii-Sh> didrocks: in a dual-monitor setup I have to manually select the second one
[11:47] <didrocks> didrocks: one issue at a time
[11:47] <Dmitrii-Sh> ok
[11:47] <didrocks> Dmitrii-Sh: echo $XDG_SESSION_DESKTOP
[11:48] <Dmitrii-Sh> didrocks: I am currently on Intel + Wayland but I can switch and do that echo
[11:48] <didrocks> Dmitrii-Sh: yeah, please switch
[11:48] <Dmitrii-Sh> ➜  ~ echo $XDG_SESSION_DESKTOP
[11:48] <Dmitrii-Sh> ubuntu
[11:48] <Dmitrii-Sh> ok, 1 min
[11:49] <didrocks> it's the one with white bars?
[11:50] <didrocks> Dmitrii-Sh: your display settings not persisting is a known issue that oSoMoN reported upstream
[11:50] <mdeslaur> Laney: right, are you planning on merging it? Do you want me to?
[11:51] <oSoMoN> Dmitrii-Sh, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=787629
[11:52] <Laney> mdeslaur: both :-)
[11:52] <Dmitrii-Sh> didrocks: nvidia is with white bars, yes
[11:52] <didrocks> Dmitrii-Sh: and this is where you had ➜  ~ echo $XDG_SESSION_DESKTOP
[11:52] <didrocks> ubuntu
[11:52] <didrocks> ,
[11:52] <didrocks> ?
[11:52] <mdeslaur> Laney: ok, I'll do it now
[11:53] <Laney> I mean - if you don't then one of us will do it soon, but you can do if you like
[11:53] <Dmitrii-Sh> didrocks:
[11:53] <Dmitrii-Sh> ➜  ~  echo $XDG_SESSION_DESKTOP
[11:53] <Dmitrii-Sh> gnome-classic
[11:53] <didrocks> ok
[11:53] <Laney> no need to upload a cherry-pick for that fix to artful IMO
[11:53] <Dmitrii-Sh> white bars are on this one
[11:53] <didrocks> so
[11:53] <Laney> mdeslaur: cheers!
[11:53] <didrocks> Dmitrii-Sh: this is due to you installing gnome vanilla session
[11:53] <didrocks> Dmitrii-Sh: I think there is a bug there, but want to check
[11:53] <Dmitrii-Sh> didrocks: https://imgur.com/ar5DXwh
[11:53] <didrocks> Dmitrii-Sh: Laney has a patch in gdm to avoid session mixup
[11:54] <didrocks> Dmitrii-Sh: and you did install gnome-classic at some point
[11:54] <didrocks> I wonder though, if the fallback doesn't fallback to $RANDOM_SESSION
[11:54] <didrocks> I would say thus:
[11:54] <didrocks> 1. wait on next gdm upload, from the discussion here mdeslaur ^ is going to upload the merge today with Laney's fix
[11:54] <didrocks> 2. then, we can retry and see which session is fallbacking with
[11:55] <didrocks> and want to probably open a bug, and fix it from there
[11:55] <didrocks> (I think the "fallback on X" session selection may be picking a random installed X session and we need to fix it)
[11:55] <didrocks> sounds alright?
[11:56] <didrocks> I bet you can give it a round of testing later today, once mdeslaur is done, probably tomorrow once it migrates to the release pocket
[11:57] <Dmitrii-Sh> 1 min
[12:04] <didrocks> Dmitrii-Sh: I'll pop out soon, hope that was understandable. In a nutshell: update tomorrow, and let's retest together to see the fallback behavior :)
[12:07] <Dmitrii-Sh> didrocks: ok, sounds good
[12:07] <Dmitrii-Sh> I will give it a try once it's there
[12:07] <chrisccoulson> oSoMoN, great, thanks
[12:08] <didrocks> Dmitrii-Sh: great! I still think you will get fallback issues as gdm can select multiple sessions
[12:08] <didrocks> Dmitrii-Sh: but I want to "see" it with our patch on a real machine first :)
[12:08] <Dmitrii-Sh> also, I noticed that graphical snaps render a black window
[12:08] <didrocks> don't know about that one, kenvandine is doing a lot of snaps though ^
[12:08] <Dmitrii-Sh> ok, will debug that
[12:12] <oSoMoN> Dmitrii-Sh, that sounds like bug #1711180 (chromium snap specific)
[12:26] <ogra_> Dmitrii-Sh, there were some wayland related changes in snapd master recently, try first switching your core snap to the edge channel to see if that fixes it for you ... to switch to edge: "sudo snap refresh core --edge" ... and to swithc back to stable after testing: "sudo snap refresh core --stable"
[12:28] <ogra_> oSoMoN, ^^^ you should ask that bug reporter too to always first test with edge (saves debugging time in case it is fixed there already)
[12:28] <oSoMoN> ogra_, ack, thanks for the suggestion
[12:53] <Dmitrii-Sh> oSoMoN: also for the irccloud snap
[12:53] <Dmitrii-Sh> but it's web-based
[12:58] <Dmitrii-Sh> ogra_: fwiw black windows are on the x session
[12:58] <ogra_> well, try with edge anyway ... just to make sure it isnt fixed already
[12:58] <ogra_> (also ... #snappy is perhaps the better channel)
[12:58] <Dmitrii-Sh> haven't tried on wayland due to the fact that /snap/bin is not present in PATH
[12:58] <ogra_> i think that was fixed yesterday
[12:59] <Dmitrii-Sh> tried edge just now
[12:59] <Dmitrii-Sh> without session restart it's still black, I might need need to try some other application
[12:59] <Dmitrii-Sh> because I've been using brave and irccloud
[13:00] <Dmitrii-Sh> both are chromium-based it seems
[13:00] <ogra_> https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3398
[13:00] <ogra_> (that also fixes the PATH issue)
[13:01] <Dmitrii-Sh> ogra_: ok, I'll check
[13:01] <Dmitrii-Sh> ogra_: interestingly, screencasting doesn't work properly in Google Hangouts while using wayland
[13:02] <Dmitrii-Sh> you have chrome windows available for sharing only
[13:02] <Dmitrii-Sh> otherwise it's just a black screen
[13:02] <Dmitrii-Sh> if I open, say, gnome-terminal, it's not shown in the list of windows
[13:02]  * ogra_ doesnt use either ... i'm still on 16.04 Xorg 
[13:02] <Dmitrii-Sh> lucky you :^)
[13:23] <jibel> Dmitrii-Sh, I think it's expected under wayland due to its security model. An app cannot see everything on the screen and spy on you.
[13:26] <jbicha> didrocks: can you review https://paste.debian.net/986051/ ?
[13:30] <Dmitrii-Sh> jibel: hmm, makes it difficult to collaborate with spies on meetings
[13:30] <Dmitrii-Sh> jibel: is there any way to temporarily provide that functionality?
[13:31] <Dmitrii-Sh> http://anzwix.com/a/Mutter/Bump%20Version%20To%203.25.92 "+* Add screencast and remote desktop support [Jonas; #784199]"
[13:32] <Dmitrii-Sh> I wonder how that works
[13:32]  * Dmitrii-Sh https://gitlab.gnome.org/jadahl/gnome-remote-desktop
[13:32] <jbicha> didrocks: I'm renaming language-selector.desktop to gnome-language-selector.desktop so that GNOME Shell handles the app icon correctly (match its binary name)
[13:33] <Dmitrii-Sh> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=GNOME-Mutter-3.25.92 "First and arguably most exciting is screencast and remote desktop support added to GNOME itself. Separate from screen casting/sharing at the X11 level or baked into Wayland itself, the Mutter compositor has introduced screensharing support itself. This is tied into two new D-Bus APIs (org.gnome.Mutter.ScreenCast and
[13:33] <Dmitrii-Sh> org.gnome.Mutter.RemoteDesktop). These interfaces can be tied into PipeWire streams while remote desktop interfaces can be used for injecting input events. "
[13:34] <jbicha> the remote-desktop support feature won't be in 17.10
[13:38] <koza> willcooke, bluez 5.47 released
[13:38] <willcooke> koza, ooh!  Prolly too late for this cycle though, I'll read the release notes
[13:39] <willcooke> oh, has a fix for BlueBorne
[13:39] <willcooke> so prolly should ship it
[13:42] <koza> willcooke, we ship fix for this cve already but yeah ill work on packaging this one next week
[13:42] <Dmitrii-Sh>  reading this "There is work underway for a Wayland screen sharing protocol and a multiplexer for media stream in order to deal with screen sharing safely; see:
[13:42] <Dmitrii-Sh>   https://github.com/wtay/pipewire
[13:42] <Dmitrii-Sh>   https://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2017/06/20/fedora-workstation-26-and-beyond/
[13:42] <Dmitrii-Sh> All applications, under Wayland, can *only* access their own windows, to avoid the security nightmare of a random process under X11 being able to screenscrape and intercept all input from other processes, which is built into the X protocol itself. The screen sharing feature of Chrome/Hangouts exploits this very insecurity.
[13:42] <Dmitrii-Sh> Once the negotiation protocol using Wayland, and PipeWire is ready, it will be possible for web browsers (and other applications) to implement screen sharing appropriately under Wayland."
[13:42] <Dmitrii-Sh> I understand that it'll be up to chromium guys now to implement screen-sharing via a provided  API instead of grabbing everything
[13:43] <Dmitrii-Sh> so, not much can be done on our side other than packaging pipewire
[13:54] <jbicha> didrocks: I pushed my g-c-c packaging to the bzr branch
[14:01] <vithiri> Does the ubuntu-dock spend a few moments figuring out where to be after logging in from the lock screen for anyone else? I'm running Xorg instead of Wayland due to using Nvidia drivers, so perhaps that's the cause.
[14:13] <casey> Hello all, I've noticed recently that the power off window in 17.10  sometimes displays a checkbox for "install updates and shutdown"
[14:14] <casey> Is 17.10 planning to support the systemd-offline updates that Fedora uses?
[14:15] <casey> Similarly, Gnome software sometimes shows a "Restart and Update" button next to some updates
[14:17] <casey> See https://imgur.com/hHtTq9z
[14:21] <casey> sorry i meant "Install pending software updates"
[14:21] <casey> in the power off window
[14:29] <Laney> casey: not supposed to happen, is that a stock gnome-software?
[14:29] <Laney> mdeslaur: thanks for gdm!
[14:29] <mdeslaur> Laney: np!
[14:36] <casey> Laney: yes, running the latest gnome-software in artful
[14:36] <Laney> click that OS updates thing and see what it says
[14:36] <Laney> not restart, the actual item itself
[14:37] <casey> https://imgur.com/nUvyMVK
[14:37] <Laney> these are turned off
[14:37] <Laney> apt policy gnome-software ?
[14:38] <casey>  https://paste.gnome.org/psa2judqr
[14:39] <casey> interestingly enough, when i tick the "install pending software updates" box the offline updates to seem to work
[14:39] <casey> the apt history reveals that "packagekit role=update-packages" updated a whole bunch of packages
[14:39] <Laney> we haven't done anything to make them not work
[14:39] <Laney> this is supposed to be disabled in gnome-software though
[14:39] <Laney> so... dunno... doesn't happen here...
[14:39] <Laney> any chance you can debug? :/
[14:40] <casey> i had seen a commit in your gnome-software branch a while ago that's intended to disable packagekit
[14:40] <casey> which is why i found this a little surprising
[14:40] <casey> what can i do?
[14:40] <Laney> find out why it's adding the updates
[14:40] <xclaesse_> I was wondering, with dock-to-shell extension, does unread message counter on app launcher icon we had in Unity still works?
[14:40] <Laney> see that commit where I disabled them, the task would be to find out why it's not working
[14:41] <casey> i can try, but maybe over the weekend during some spare time...
[14:42] <casey> you are referring to this update, right?
[14:42] <casey> https://github.com/GNOME/gnome-software/commit/0048fad2c6601c6b82a5277e2be89cac3a6c0dd2
[14:42] <Laney> yep
[14:43] <Laney> it just exits instead of adding the updates
[14:46] <casey> when I debug, is it possible to just compile g-s and run it in a shell? or I need to set up jhbuild?
[14:47] <Laney> you can build it yourself
[14:47] <casey> ok i'll try to take a look at it in the next few days
[14:47] <Laney> jhbuild is easier for repeatedly building and running that thing imho
[14:47] <Laney> but it's up to you
[14:48] <Laney> run gnome-software like this -> gnome-software --gapplication-service --verbose
[14:48] <Laney> and in another terminal window -> gnome-software
[14:48] <Laney> then you'll get all the debugging stuff in the first one
[14:50] <casey> ok
[14:50] <casey> thanks
[14:51] <Laney> thank you!
[14:51] <didrocks> jbicha: I would change "Language Support" by "Add new languages" or something along the line
[14:52] <didrocks> jbicha: or "Installed language supports"
[14:52] <didrocks> to explain why we have a button in addition to the (+)
[14:55] <jackpot51> Is Ubuntu looking to do systemd offline updates?
[14:55] <Laney> not right now
[14:56] <jackpot51> Will the ubuntu-upgrader-gtk still be utilized?
[14:58] <jackpot51> * ubuntu-release-upgrader-gtk
[14:58] <didrocks> I guess you meant update-manager? yes, for 17.10 at least
[14:58] <Laney> I think it makes sense to centralise all updating in Software
[14:58] <Laney> but we're not working on that
[14:59] <Laney> willcooke: can haz wallpaper?
[14:59] <willcooke> Laney, no.  grrr.
[14:59] <jbicha> didrocks: "Installed Languages" ?
[15:00] <didrocks> jbicha: sounds good to me :)
[15:00] <jbicha> ok, uploading now
[15:00] <Laney> how does it look?
[15:00] <didrocks> jbicha: let me test it for 5 minutes
[15:00] <didrocks> just finished building
[15:00] <didrocks> (the code is good)
[15:01] <jbicha> sure
[15:01] <didrocks> hum, doesn't work here
[15:01] <didrocks> (I would have aligned the button on the right, but that's maybe just me? as a GNOME action)
[15:01] <didrocks> (gnome-control-center:17732): GLib-GIO-CRITICAL **: g_app_info_launch: assertion 'G_IS_APP_INFO (appinfo)' failed
[15:01] <didrocks> (gnome-control-center:17732): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion 'G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed
[15:02] <jbicha> didrocks: you need https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-selector/0.179
[15:02] <didrocks> ah, ofc, I didn't rename the desktop file
[15:02] <didrocks> yeah
[15:02] <didrocks> maybe add a dep >= ?
[15:03] <didrocks> (dpkg didn't complain about deps)
[15:03] <jbicha> yes, I'll add that
[15:03] <didrocks> otherwise, looks good (after renaming the desktop file :p)
[15:04] <didrocks> thanks for working on this jbicha!
[15:04] <didrocks> (we agree it's a workaround for 17.10 ;))
[15:04] <Laney> why not check if if you get NULL back?
[15:04] <Laney> before trying to launch the thing, to avoid these criticals
[15:04] <didrocks> Laney: well, it doesn't crash at least
[15:04] <didrocks> but yeah, it should check it at init
[15:05] <didrocks> and disable the button if not installed
[15:05] <didrocks> we can fix that in a later upload if jbicha doesn't have the time today (I can if you open a bug)
[15:06] <jbicha> you still want the Depends: language-selector-gnome though right?
[15:06] <didrocks> yeah, I think it makes sense
[15:06] <didrocks> on another note, G-S 3.26 is quite solid for now
[15:06] <didrocks> (with new mutter and shell extensions from Debian)
[15:06] <didrocks> I'll upload it tomorrow morning if I don't have any bad surprises in between
[15:06] <jbicha> ok
[15:08] <Laney> I'll just fix it, it'll take 5 seconds
[15:09] <Laney> save an extra build
[15:10] <jbicha> Laney: I just pushed rev. 751 for g-c-c
[15:14] <willcooke> Laney, wallpaper due at 5
[15:14] <willcooke> Laney, I wont get the installer slideshow done today, will be do it first thing tomorrow
[15:16] <jbicha> personally I consider the slideshow to be docs so that's still on time :)
[15:18] <jackpot51> Laney: I have been talking to some elementary OS people about it, and I think we would be willing to work on the implementation, for an 18.04 release
[15:19] <jbicha> which implementation?
[15:19] <jackpot51> https://github.com/GNOME/gnome-software/blob/master/plugins/packagekit/gs-plugin-systemd-updates.c
[15:19] <jackpot51> Systemd distro updates
[15:20] <jackpot51> https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.offline-updates.html
[15:20] <Laney> I wonder if it works with debconf and conffile prompts
[15:21] <jbicha> offline updates should already work, I think we're interested in online updates
[15:21] <Laney> who says?
[15:21] <jackpot51> What do you mean jbicha?
[15:21] <jbicha> probably not
[15:21] <ogra_> doesnt update-manager have such a mode since years (with automatic rollback on failue etc) ?
[15:21] <jackpot51> Laney, I will probably need to check with debian. They may have something already?
[15:21] <ogra_> (r are we dropping u-m in favour of g-s in 18.04 ?)
[15:21] <ogra_> *or
[15:22] <Laney> don't know, don't get any ideas
[15:22] <jbicha> Debian's gnome-software does offline updates and I've used a locally built version of gnome-software to do the same thing but I doubt debconf will work
[15:22] <Laney> it's not going to be 0 work to get it working
[15:22] <jackpot51> It is just a possibility. Pop and elementary are interested in it, and would help to get it working
[15:23] <jackpot51> I am sure debconf *could* be supported, I am not sure how much work it would be yet
[15:31] <Laney> jbicha: pushed
[15:31] <Laney> I added a verb to the text, sounds better to me as an action
[15:36] <jbicha> thanks
[15:36] <Laney> ♥
[15:49] <jackpot51> So, any thoughts about using GNOME Software and systemd updates for distribution upgrades?
[15:49] <jackpot51> If the issues were solved with debconf, would it be a good way forward?
[15:55] <didrocks> I think if debconf issues and rock solid rollback are available, that's something to look at. However, seems a risk for a LTS, so rather experimental, and then, post-LTS
[15:58] <jackpot51> Ok, thanks!
[16:13] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Hi Jeremy!
[16:13] <jbicha> GunnarHj: hi
[16:14] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Saw your mail. Doesn't that renaming affect the flavors?
[16:16] <jbicha> I believe language-selector's desktop renaming affects unity-control-center but shouldn't affect other flavors
[16:17] <jbicha> to repeat myself for those following along: I was wondering where the popup comes from to install additional language support
[16:17] <jbicha> to make sure that it still works after the .desktop was renamed
[16:18] <jbicha> I don't see an autostart file for it, maybe it doesn't automatically pop up any more?
[16:21] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Ok. (Guess there was a reason for it...) As regards the pop-up, I don't recall what it is that triggers it. It does show up if you start gnome-language-selector (and if there is missing lang support), and that's code in LanguageSelector/gtk/GtkLanguageSelector.py.
[16:23] <jbicha> yes, the part inside language-selector still works but someone would have to know to open it
[16:23] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Right...
[16:27] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Talking about l-s and such, do you know of any progress wrt bug #1662031?
[16:29] <jbicha> I don't know of progress there
[16:32] <jbicha> I guess I don't need to patch unity-control-center
[16:32] <GunnarHj> jbicha: That's a pretty serious one, I think. Either we need to spot the root cause, or possibly do some ugly hack.
[16:33] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Ok, so u-c-c loads the new .desktop?
[16:34] <jbicha> I assume so, I don't have Unity installed right here
[16:35] <jbicha> GNOME had a patch to only load specific .desktop's but I think unity-control-center is more open
[16:35] <GunnarHj> jbicha: I can check out u-c-c later tonight.
[16:36] <GunnarHj> jbicha: I'm more worried about GDM3 overriding ~/.pam_environment.
[16:37] <willcooke> Laney, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-wallpapers/+bug/1717308
[16:37] <willcooke> c'est jolie
[16:38] <Laney> lurvely
[16:41]  * Laney tries to beat the fake news media
[16:42] <willcooke> I'm rather fond of this little fella as well: https://imgur.com/a/nV6Q2
[16:42] <Laney> that's actually cute
[16:43]  * Laney partially forgives the deadline nudgery
[16:43] <willcooke> :)
[16:43] <willcooke> also, for those playing at home:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-themes/+bug/1717309
[16:44] <willcooke> Right, slideshow updates tomorrow then
[16:48] <GunnarHj> willcooke: Saw your message to the ubuntu-doc list. This cycle the desktop guide will rely heavily on GNOME Help, and we won't use any Ubuntu specific images. So UI freeze is not a problem wrt the docs team.
[16:48] <willcooke> ah, good to know, thanks GunnarHj
[16:49] <Laney> GunnarHj: Not even the dock?
[16:49] <willcooke> Handy to let folk know where to get them images anyway I reckon
[16:49] <GunnarHj> Laney: Which dock?
[16:49] <Laney> haha
[16:50] <Laney> the dock that the Ubuntu session is shipping by default in artful
[16:50] <Laney> it's a difference from upstream GNOME
[16:51] <GunnarHj> Laney: We haven't done anything about it yet. I've been absent for personal reasons, and nobody else has done it. So in my world we will need to fix that for 18.04, and live with it this cycle.
[16:52] <Laney> GunnarHj: Okay, no worries
[16:53] <GunnarHj> Laney: Going to fix some obvious errors in the Ubuntu specific pages, but that won't involve any screenshots.
[16:56] <Laney> come on you PNG compressing beast
[16:57]  * Laney feeds hamsters to PC
[16:57] <Laney> it actually worked
[16:58] <Laney> what a nice tnetennba
[16:58] <Laney> aardvark*
[16:58] <willcooke> lol
[16:59] <Laney> uploadin' dis
[16:59] <willcooke> \o/
[17:01] <jbicha> GunnarHj: are you going to rebase on the GNOME 3.26 docs or do you need help packaging those updates?
[17:01] <jbicha> it's nice that GNOME docs is doing a string freeze this cycle, hopefully it works well for them :)
[17:03] <Laney> well I think I'll let that upload in its own good time
[17:03] <Laney> nighty night
[17:03] <willcooke> night Laney
[17:04] <GunnarHj> jbicha: I probably can fix the packaging, but thought I'd wait til the translators are done. As regards rebase, do you mean the few pages we alter in Ubuntu?
[17:05] <jbicha> by rebase, I meant "package gnome-user-docs and -getting-started-docs 3.26.0"
[17:07] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Ok, yes, my assumption is that we should use 3.26.0.1. But given that you asked, is there any reason why we shouldn't?
[17:08] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Ah, just forget it. I will update those packages. :)
[17:23] <willcooke> night all