[00:03] <polyneux> Time to find another problem to fix
[00:04] <xrandr> he is actually problem hunting
[00:04] <xrandr> poor soul
[00:04] <oerheks> ...
[00:05] <xrandr> I never hunt for problems. Seems exhausting
[00:05] <xrandr> I go by the motto of "Don't go borrowing trouble"
[00:05] <oerheks> how helpfull :-(
[00:06] <dshin> I'm answering my own question above (free linux pdf editor): Foxit Reader seems to work well for me
[00:07] <xrandr> oerheks: I don't go around my network / lan / etc looking for problems. I will undoubtedly find them, and then have to fix them
[00:07] <cjs226> nacc: i created an updated pastebin showing there are no corresponding files for the services systemd is reporting: https://pastebin.com/u6NAjWbG
[00:07] <xrandr> if a problem pops up, I respond
[00:08] <oerheks> then don't help here, xrandr .. he is just fixing his own problems, it is you that hunts for problems of others.. which is great, so don't rant like this
[00:09] <oerheks> please
[00:09] <xrandr> ?
[00:09] <xrandr> now im confused
[00:09]  * xrandr sighs
[00:09] <xrandr> i think he misunderstood me
[00:11] <nacc> cjs226: /etc/systemd is still not hte right place
[00:11] <nacc> cjs226: that's just where config lives
[00:12] <cjs226> nacc: but `locate` should find ANY files matching the pattern.  i don't think there are any files for the corresponding services
[00:12] <xrandr> cjs226: have you updated the locate db?
[00:13] <nacc> cjs226: hrm
[00:13] <cjs226> xrandr: yes.  i did so before i ran locate
[00:13] <xrandr> ok
[00:13] <nacc> cjs226: can you pb the actualy output from say `systemctl status spanning_activity@20600.service` ?
[00:13] <xrandr> cjs226: have you tried find / -name ....  ?
[00:14] <xrandr> just incase locate missed it?
[00:16] <nacc> cjs226: also, i am not sure how locate deals with symbolic links
[00:16] <cjs226> xrandr: https://pastebin.com/4AMc8u6W
[00:16] <nacc> cjs226: you may need to quote your regex for find
[00:16] <xrandr> nacc: I think it just adds it to the db and spits it out. Up to the end user to do the ls -al /path/to/symlink_file
[00:17] <cjs226> nacc: https://pastebin.com/VB9LwUub
[00:18] <jackhum> hello , my ubuntu background has gone all black , i cant right click , and i cant see any desktop icons either , this happened after i installed https://github.com/iabem97/komorebi/ , to make my desktop looks sexier , now its ugly
[00:18] <cjs226> nacc: updated my pb showing the find works: https://pastebin.com/4AMc8u6W
[00:18] <nacc> cjs226: how are you enabling/disabling the services you have been?
[00:18] <xrandr> cjs226: I am not sure .service entries are actual files. If you currently know where they reside, can you do an `ls` on them?
[00:18] <DashBT> I don't suppose anyone here is familiar with fopen64() in c++. Trying to fix something I downloaded and I've never really worked in Ubuntu or linux, so running into a wall lol. It's causing a termination after basic_string is called within the software. If there is a better place to ask for help also feel free to direct me there
[00:19] <nacc> DashBT: you want a programming channel or c++ channel
[00:19] <nacc> !alis | DashBT
[00:19] <nacc> cjs226: you might ask in #systemd
[00:19] <cjs226> nacc: i create the unit and env files; `systemctl daemon-reload`; systemctl enable $service
[00:19] <cjs226> nacc: i have asked there...no response.  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[00:19] <nacc> cjs226: probably will take patience
[00:19] <cjs226> nacc: i create the unit and env files; `systemctl daemon-reload`; `systemctl enable $service`
[00:20] <DashBT> nacc: fair. I will dig around there then. Thanks
[00:20] <xrandr> cjs226: the .service files may actually be something else. Or they may be stored and running in memory
[00:20] <nacc> cjs226: i think you can also debug bash completion, fwiw
[00:20] <xrandr> cjs226: maybe you can do a google search on where .service files live in Ubuntu
[00:20] <xrandr> if they are actual files
[00:21] <oerheks> systemd service files are in /lib/systemd/system/ssh.service, the /etc/systemd/ link point to that
[00:21] <nacc> cjs226: i'm eod, unfortunately, i'll be around tmrw though
[00:21] <cjs226> nacc: thx for your help!
[00:22] <xrandr> oerheks: if you do a 'file /lib/systemd/system/ssh.service`   what is the output
[00:22] <nacc> cjs226: i would also try rgrep , in case the service is named difrferently than the file
[00:23] <xrandr> because iirc only binary/executable and regular files are found by locate/file
[00:23] <xrandr> err locate/find.
[00:23] <oerheks> oh, i see i have no ssh installed, i paste an other one
[00:25] <xrandr> brb - restroom
[00:25] <oerheks> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25530991/
[00:28] <xrandr> oerheks: hmm, i'm at a loss then. it should be able to find it
[00:32] <oerheks> is it an alias, spanning_activity@20600.service ?
[00:33] <oerheks> that @ might point at beiing an alias.. cannot find good info there
[00:37] <glitsj16> the @ symbol is for special services, sockets, and other units where multiple instances can be run, see https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.unit.html#Description
[00:37] <cjs226> the number following the @ and before the . is the "instance name" which allows you to use it using the %i variable in the unit file
[00:51] <glitsj16> cjs226: correct, now what your actual issue is still escapes me though.. when I enter "systemctl status [TAB][TAB]" bash offers me an option to display 438 possibilities.. doing a few "locate systemd | grep foo | wc -l" commands I can account for all those offered choices, they're all on disk.. that's not what you're seeing?
[00:52] <cjs226> it's not.  i'm somehow creating a number of services by mistake...but can't figure out 1) how nor 2) where their corresponding files live
[00:53] <cjs226> i was hoping if i could find some trail on the system i could work my way backwards
[00:53] <cjs226> and this issue doesn't at all make sense with what (little) i've learned in creating services using sytemd
[00:54] <glitsj16> hmm, I'm thinking it might be related with the way your shell is configured to deal with command history and tab completion.. anything weird in ~/.bashrc or ~/.inputrc that might affect that?
[00:54] <glitsj16> so not actually an issue with systemd itself
[00:55] <cjs226> i wouldn't think so.  let me use root's default env and see if make a diff
[00:56] <glitsj16> yes I understand what you're saying, it's not that systemd is bugfree or anything lol
[00:56] <cjs226> same issue with root user
[00:57] <cjs226> gotta say, i'm missing sysv init scripts at the moment.  but i'm looking forward to systemd
[00:57] <glitsj16> you could rm your ~/.bash_history, close all open terminal emulators, open a new on and check if the issue persists to rule anything like that out
[00:58] <bazhang> cjs226, what version of ubuntu are you on
[00:58] <cjs226> 16.04
[00:58] <bazhang> cjs226, thats system d already
[00:58] <glitsj16> well I get your view on that, just happens that I was getting to understand Ubuntu's upstart when systemd showed up..
[00:58] <cjs226> agreed.  i'm migrating all of our old init scripts to systemd
[01:05] <glitsj16> there's been a decent number of bug fixes in systemd since 229, have you tried a live daily of 17.10 yet? just a guessing game without logs i assume..
[01:07] <cjs226> i haven't.  we stick with LTS releases for production
[01:07] <glitsj16> rightly so, no argument there
[01:08] <Loshki> cjs226: LTSes don't really stabilies until .4 or .5
[01:08] <Loshki> stabilize
[01:16] <cjs226> Loshki: didn't realize that...
[01:25] <donofrio> what tool can I use to enable group policy password complexity of a windows domain on a ubuntu install?
[01:25] <donofrio> adfs domain fwiw
[01:28] <Loshki> cjs226: it's controversial, but I'm still at 14.04 due to bugs in 16.04
[01:35] <donofrio> anyone used sccm to manage installed software on ubuntu workstations?
[01:36] <oerheks> donofrio, nobody here, only the WSL fools
[01:37] <donofrio> oerheks, https://apaste.info/xJnN works great for me.....in production as my photo on the 1drv link shows my "daily driver" at work...
[01:37] <donofrio> just folks wanting more control of ubuntu.....
[01:38] <donofrio> and I see it as a good thing....
[01:38] <donofrio> yet to see a group policy for ubuntu, I know sounds crazy to even ask....
[01:40] <donofrio> ;) https://i.imgflip.com/1tlg0a.jpg
[01:48] <glitsj16> donofrio: you might be mixing 'more control of ubuntu' with 'raping linux security models'.. do you really enjoy a company that advocates "sudo: ['ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL']" is the way to go when dealing with cloud-based services? --> https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/virtual-machines/linux/using-cloud-init
[01:50] <Krennic> thats why i use windows 10
[01:50] <Krennic> :P
[01:50] <glitsj16> enjoy :p
[01:52] <Krennic> ubuntu bash looks cool in windows 10 :P
[01:53] <glitsj16> probably does, you know how the saying goes though.. if looks could kill.. they probably will
[01:55] <Krennic> i see
[01:55] <donofrio> I'm unable to use linux without wsl....it's corp
[01:56] <donofrio> glitsj16, did you tell someone about that on uservoice?
[01:57] <glitsj16> no I'm not on uservoice, feel free to share the link and the context
[01:57] <donofrio> I'm on hexchat with OS: Linux 4.4.0-43-Microsoft life is exciting right now....
[01:57] <onitlikesonic> hi all, i am preseeding an ubuntu install with hostname=machinename.stage.vm.office1.mycompany why is after the machine built just with machinename.mycompany ? anywhere else i need to set ?
[01:58] <Krennic> well you got  be realistic microsoft doesnt make linux OS  but they are adapting since most of all gadgets as tvs cameras runs on linux
[01:59] <Krennic> donofrio im on weechat on windows 10
[01:59] <Krennic> through ubuntu bash
[01:59] <donofrio> so no-one has wrote or knows of a framework/tools to get adfs login's with group policy that include password policy enforcement?
[02:00] <donofrio> Krennic, if you click on the 1drv link at the bottom of my link you can see my daily diver views....
[02:03] <donofrio> I just started using "Dual Monitor Tools" on win10 to allow me to assign "shift, ctrl, W" for "supersize" and now my X will me spanning the montors without me having to click and drag each time.....so cool...I made a gif https://1drv.ms/i/s!AsBlZbBf72iNnJUnUkEnBz9GP_85sQ
[02:04] <Krennic> some linux ppl  got mad when they knew that microsoft join the linux foundation that brought to and end the war and rivality between micrisift and all linux OS  rivality and i think thats good  i think anywant can use the OS they like personaly i like windows  10 alot but lately ive been liking or interesting in using ubuntu, opensuse and solus three interesting linux OS
[02:12] <donofrio> if I can just figure out why after I add myself to the sudoers list with "donofrio ALL=NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/service" but then when I tried to start it it returned couldn't write /var/run/crond.pid so I dunno....I retried to get cron started using wsbash, still trying
[02:13] <donofrio> but yah wsbash wants "ALL ALL = (root) NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/service" seem exsessive?
[02:16] <donofrio> Krennic, ubuntu rocks I'm 17.04 on my windows 10 corp install ;) quite neat....just need service cron start to work when I try it from a service system bash run
[02:19] <Krennic> but i got handed something even ubuntu programs works in windows 10 through the x servers xming or vcxsrv so you can seethem is nice now even in even windows channels linux is a topic in all windows channels now like windows is now a linux member
[02:19] <Krennic> :P
[02:22] <donofrio> Krennic, I use VcXsrv daily...... ;)  just need to get pulseaudio working....lol
[02:22] <Krennic> nice
[02:23] <donofrio> (no pulseaudio not working in my setup yet, just talking out loud)
[02:24] <Krennic> oh i see
[02:30] <msav> hello there..
[02:30] <msav> may i please ask how to enable SSL on ubuntu's localhost? done with the steps here: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-create-a-ssl-certificate-on-apache-for-ubuntu-12-04
[02:30] <msav> but still no avail
[02:36] <Krennic> one think doonofrio why you download hexchat on ubuntu bash and run it from vcxsrv when you can go to hexchat and download it on windows 10
[02:36] <Krennic> ?
[02:36] <donofrio> because it works.....
[02:36] <Krennic> i know
[02:36] <donofrio> even added hunspell to make it spellcheck like it normally does
[02:37] <Krennic> oh i see
[02:37] <donofrio> even heckchat folks ask me that ;)
[02:37] <donofrio> hexchat i mean
[02:38] <donofrio> I think of the xsession as all I need, if something doesn't work I like to find out why, like cron not being started, still working on wabash to get that working I hope
[02:40] <Krennic> the only thing  i like with this microsoft parnetship with linux is from cmd, powershell you can do what your doing in bash just type bash in those and you are on linux
[02:40] <Krennic> :P
[02:41] <Krennic> of course i use more ubuntu bash
[02:41] <donofrio> more ubuntu is a good thing.....
[02:41] <donofrio> pico is not a 1:1 replacement for kernel (yet)
[02:43] <Krennic> but i think microsoft  are gonna turn more linux in the years to come since evething runs on linux cause they won in a way the war but not in the desktop area
[02:43] <bazhang> Krennic, try a chat channel for that
[02:43] <Krennic> but in much of the other electronics microsoft lost cause everyng runs on linux tvs cameras etc
[02:44] <bazhang> Krennic, please take the chit chat elsewhere
[02:45] <Krennic> bazhang i dont wait my time with linux trolls that i see in all linux distros are a few and you one of them
[02:45] <donofrio> it's mybad sorry
[02:45] <bazhang> Krennic, this is support only. not chat
[02:46] <Krennic> bazahng what ever troll
[02:46] <donofrio> wanted to know about group policy for ubuntu.....not chat channel your right.
[02:46] <xrandr> donofrio: are you joining a ubuntu client to a windows server?
[02:46] <bazhang> Krennic, keep it civil here please, and on topic
[02:47] <donofrio> xrandr, see 1drv link at bottom https://apaste.info/xJnN I'm being asked to enforece password complexity requirements and guessing more will follow soon...
[02:48] <xrandr> donofrio: it would be helpful if you could describe your endgame with this
[02:49] <xrandr> is this being joined to a network, such as a active directory network. Or is this going to be standalone?
[02:49] <donofrio> to make the domain group policies enforceable (aka equal and enabled) it's a adfs domain
[02:49] <cortex_> what is the future of ubuntu ?
[02:50] <donofrio> cortex_, the future is promising as I see it.
[02:50] <bazhang> !17.10 | cortex_
[02:50] <xrandr> donofrio: then once you've joined the computer to your active directory federated server, then the policies should auto translate and propgate
[02:50] <cortex_> thanks
[02:50] <cortex_> i have it
[02:50] <cortex_> but kubuntu
[02:50] <cortex_> :)
[02:50] <bazhang> cortex_, if you mean a larger perspective, #ubuntu-offtopic
[02:51] <cortex_> ok
[02:51] <donofrio> xrandr, yes but diffrent, make the local account a kerbrose login and the like, along with password complexity and other security requirements that they will ask for soon
[02:52] <bazhang> donofrio, kerberos
[02:52] <donofrio> correct
[02:52] <bazhang> not kerbrose
[02:52] <donofrio> yes
[02:54] <donofrio> xrandr, did you see my "daily drive" photo (1drv link at bottom of apaste link)
[02:55] <xrandr> i have not
[02:56] <xrandr> working on some things as i pop in and out of irc
[02:58] <donofrio> xrandr, when you get time it's there...no rush or nothing, just gotten folks starting to ask for things password complexity is first thing....of the local account password
[03:01] <jwarren_> Hey folks, I just installed 16.04 on a Thinkpad w530 and I'm having issues getting the webcam working. I'm not very experienced on the hardware side of config. Any advice? I haven't been able to find much on the web. Most people have said it worked for them out of the box just fine. When I open Cheese it says "device not found". Toggling the camera with fn f7 doesn't do anything either.
[03:01] <jwarren_> (If this is the wrong place for this, I'm sorry!)
[03:03] <arch-nemesis> jwarren, does the camera show up on the bus?
[03:04] <arch-nemesis> From what I understand, you can disable that camera in the bios, I'm wondering if it appears in lspci, lsusb, etc.
[03:04] <jwarren_> arch-nemesis: I'm not sure. When I run lsusb, most of the devices are "Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub" or something generic.
[03:05] <jwarren_> It's not disabled in the bios. I did check that.
[03:05] <arch-nemesis> Errors in 'dmesg'?
[03:06] <jwarren_> Checking... so far it looks like some ACPI warnings...
[03:07] <jwarren_> One sec and I'll paste some of it.
[03:07] <arch-nemesis> in a pastebin, hopefully :)
[03:07] <jwarren_> Yes, of course!
[03:08] <jwarren_> Is there anything specific I should look for in dmesg, or just anything that looks like an error?
[03:09] <arch-nemesis> I'm thinking you don't have some v4l software installed, or the device actually isn't being seen. lspci and lsusb will list the devices that are seen on those busses.
[03:12] <arch-nemesis> by the way v4l is "video for linux" you can use v4l2-ctl to list the webcams, if they are actually working correctly.
[03:12] <jwarren_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25531696/ is the lsusb and lspci output
[03:14] <jwarren_> I'm guessing I have to install v4l, yeah?
[03:16] <arch-nemesis> You might. v4l-utils. But I don't see the webcam on that list.  hmm :/
[03:18] <jwarren_> This has been driving me crazy for about a week. It's just salt in the wound when I start the computer and the webcam light flashes on for a second.
[03:22] <arch-nemesis> If you happen to have some old usb webcam lying around, I'd want to know if that works. Does it show up in /dev as /dev/video* ?
[03:23] <jwarren_> Hmm, I don't think I have one.
[03:24] <arch-nemesis> if the device appears in /dev like /dev/video0, you can pull video off of it with mplayer or vlc. but it looks like it doesn't appear in your lsusb.
[03:25] <arch-nemesis> so I would guess /dev/video0 does not exist, right?
[03:25] <jwarren_> No, nothing under /dev/video*
[03:27] <Ben64> if it's not showing up in lsusb then it's 'not connected'
[03:28] <arch-nemesis> Well that seems like there is no webcam plugged in. Typically they are on USB even if they are built-in webcams. Ok. If you do 'dmesg | grep usb' you should see all the messages related to USB devices. I'm curious if it's spitting out any kind of error about some of the devices plugged in.
[03:29] <arch-nemesis> Good messages should be something like 'registered new interface' or 'new device found'. Maybe something looks ominous.
[03:30] <jwarren_> Nothing looks out of the norm to me: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25531746/
[03:31] <Ben64> you have usb 3.0?
[03:32] <jwarren_> Yeah, two usb 3 ports.
[03:32] <Ben64> do things work when plugged in there
[03:32] <jwarren_> Indeed they do.
[03:33] <Ben64> well then thats not the problem
[03:33] <Ben64> your computer probably isnt showing the device to the os then
[03:34] <jwarren_> There's a setting in the bios for port blocking devices. All devices in the list, which includes the webcam, are "enabled". I didn't see anything else in the bios for disabling it.
[03:35] <jwarren_> I also didn't find any hidden hardware switches.
[03:37] <Ben64> maybe play around with the acpi_osi setting
[03:39] <arch-nemesis> I hope not. I hope lenovo wouldn't disable a webcam for that.
[03:39] <Ben64> huh?
[03:40] <jwarren_> Hmm, what is ASPM? http://paste.ubuntu.com/25531775/
[03:40] <arch-nemesis> for acpi_osi supported os
[03:40] <Ben64> it might do some wonky windows workarounds that messes it up in linux
[03:42] <arch-nemesis> maybe. For a USB device, I'd hope not though.
[03:42] <jwarren_> Never mind. ASPM is power management I think.
[03:43] <Ben64> laptops are weird. acpi stuff helps often times
[03:50] <jwarren_> I'm going to double check the bios, and also see if I can boot the computer in Windows to see if it works there. Other than that I'm out of ideas.
[03:50] <jwarren_> I'll just binder clip an external webcam to the top of the screen, hahahaha
[03:51] <jwarren_> Thank you for all the help and ideas arch-nemesis and Ben64!
[03:52] <arch-nemesis> No problem. sorry nothing came of it.
[03:58] <causative> sound is not working - looked at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting and I'm at the "manually starting the audio driver" section, my problem is how do I know the name of the driver?
[03:59] <causative> I see a line from lspci "Kernel driver in use: snd_hda_intel" but I don't know if that's it
[04:01] <arch-nemesis> causative, it's almost never an actual driver issue. more likely that something is muted somewhere
[04:01] <causative> well I went down the list using pacmd
[04:02] <arch-nemesis> if you use alsamixer and view 'all', do any of the bars have 'M' at the bottom?
[04:03] <arch-nemesis> or have the volume down
[04:06] <causative> not familiar with alsamixer, I see three cards that all say 00 on them, however pressing + or - or up or down does not change the value
[04:08] <causative> further information: it was working until just recently when I suspended the system and resumed it (although I've done that many times before without problems)
[04:08] <causative> and pacmd tells me that there is 1 sink named <auto-null> with driver <module-null-sink.c> which may be a bad sign
[04:08] <arch-nemesis> You can restart pulseaudio with pulseaudio -k. That might work.
[04:09] <bonzibuddy> Hey ubuntu-gurus, quick question - what mechanism in ubuntu is used to auto-mount USB drives?  is at a udev thing?  I want to disable it for a specific drive - actually, it is a camera that can act as a drive
[04:09] <causative> thanks arch-nemesis , that worked
[04:09] <bonzibuddy> but when it's mounted as storage, it cannot be used for it's camera-y goodness
[04:09] <arch-nemesis> @causative, that was a total guess.  but glad it worked.
[04:11] <arch-nemesis> @causative, pulseaudio is interesting. You can set up remote network audio sinks as well if you want to get fancy with your audio
[04:14] <arch-nemesis> bonzaibuddy: https://askubuntu.com/questions/89244/how-to-disable-automount-in-nautiluss-preferences
[04:15] <bonzibuddy> arch-nemesis thanks, will give that a look
[04:16] <bonzibuddy> seems like it will categorically disable automount but that might be fine anyhow, thx :L:)
[04:30] <malkauns> why is polkitd using 25% of my cpu?
[05:13] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[06:23] <RageLtMan> is landscape/autopilot being deprecated?
[06:24] <RageLtMan> conjure-up has dropped support apparently, breaking the Ubuntu docs on deploying openstack
[06:27] <ducasse> RageLtMan: try asking in #ubuntu-server, might take little while to get an answer, tough
[06:27] <ducasse> usually quiet at this time
[06:28] <RageLtMan> ducasse: thank you
[06:35] <theSanDiegoKid> How can I change the permissions of an ISO I have on my ubuntu system?
[06:37] <Ben64> chmod ?
[07:03] <rh10> guys, how can i set webdav auto mounting?
[07:12] <ducasse> rh10: first hit from ddg - https://askubuntu.com/questions/406782/auto-mount-webdav-folder#522696
[07:12] <rh10> ducasse, got it
[07:20] <alkisg> Hi, on Ubuntu 16.04 previously firefox could load file:///local.swf, now it shows an empty page. Chromium-browser still works. Were there any security changes wrt local file access, and are there any workarounds for them?
[07:21] <hateball> alkisg: is flash enabled?
[07:21] <alkisg> hateball: yes, the same swf works if I put it to http://mysite.com/local.swf
[07:21] <alkisg> It's only blocked locally
[07:25] <alkisg> hateball: to reproduce it: http://wwwimages.adobe.com/www.adobe.com/swf/software/flash/about/mini_FMA_about_01.swf works,
[07:25] <alkisg> while this doesn't work: cd /tmp; wget http://wwwimages.adobe.com/www.adobe.com/swf/software/flash/about/mini_FMA_about_01.swf; firefox mini_FMA_about_01.swf
[07:25] <alkisg> ...it should be the same for everyone here that has the latest firefox...
[07:33] <fishcooker> is it possible to install server using ubuntu desktop live usb?
[07:36] <ducasse> fishcooker: not directly, no
[07:36] <fishcooker> what should i do next ducasse ?
[07:36] <ducasse> you can install desktop, remove all the desktop stuff and install the server stuff. i would just get the server image, though.
[07:41] <fishcooker> ducasse: it means $ sudo apt purge ubuntu-desktop only?
[07:41] <ducasse> fishcooker: not that simple, no.
[07:42] <fishcooker> go on, please
[07:42] <alkisg> He already said, "(10:36:57 AM) ducasse:  i would just get the server image, though." :)
[07:43] <fishcooker> noted, alkisg
[07:43] <alkisg> ok
[07:44] <ducasse> fishcooker: look at the list of packages it depends on, then you would need to remove those as well. it would be messy, and most likely not a 100% match.
[07:45] <ducasse> fishcooker: there's a reason there are separate images
[07:45] <fishcooker> noted, thanks ducasse i've got the point
[07:46] <fishcooker> btw is it possible to do-release-upgrade without interupted with confirmation ?
[07:47] <jbergok> i want to disable the touchpad when im typing because i keep touching it and it does something stupid like moves the focus away etc. any way to do this?
[07:48] <ducasse> fishcooker: do a web search for 'unattended do-release-upgrade'
[07:51] <oerheks> do-release-upgrade -f DistUpgradeViewNonInteractive
[07:52] <ducasse> jbergok: you can use syndaemon with the -i option, see the man page
[07:53] <Mehrzad> Hi
[07:53] <Mehrzad> When I select windows10 bootloader in grub menu, grub loads itself instead of the bootloader.
[07:56] <Mehrzad> I think I mistakenly chose the 100MB windowsloader partition as the boot partition during the installment of ubuntu
[07:57] <oerheks> reinstall grub is your solution, i guess
[07:58] <jbergok> ducasse: thanks. btw, the problems i had with installing the other day, turns out lubuntu live image is broken. i tried xubuntu instead with same options (lvm with encryption and UEFI) and everything worked fine
[08:02] <Mehrzad> oerheks: reintall grub from where? inside the installed linux? ubuntu doesn't load either btw
[08:02] <jbergok> ducasse: what is the proper way to get syndaemon to run as a daemon when ubuntu starts? i want to put syndaemon -d -i 2 somewhere..
[08:03] <ducasse> jbergok: ~/.xsessionrc
[08:04] <jbergok> ducasse: thanks again
[08:06] <jbergok> ducasse: i dont have that file at the moment. should it have a header or shebang or something? or just put syndaemon -d -i 1.0 at the start?
[08:07] <ducasse> just create it and put in what you want, it's sourced
[08:08] <oerheks> Mehrzad, oh, so windows & linux does not start. is this an UEFI bios machine?
[08:08] <Mehrzad> oerheks: yes
[08:08] <oerheks> !uefi
[08:08] <ducasse> jbergok: btw, you use synclient if you want to control it further - there are tons of options you can mess with
[08:09] <jbergok> ducasse: hmm in man x-session-manager it mentions ~/.config/xfce4/xinitrc .. should i use this one instead?
[08:09] <jbergok> ducasse: ah ok
[08:09] <oerheks> Mehrzad, did you follow the uefi guide, disabled fastboot and intel SRT ?
[08:09] <oerheks> ubuntu is uefi compatible btw
[08:10] <ducasse> jbergok: if you use .xsessionrc it will work for any desktop/wm
[08:10] <jbergok> right ok
[08:10] <Mehrzad> oerheks: no, i just got familiar with uefi, 5 minutes ago
[08:12] <jbergok> so i want to set up mail. all i know is i want to be able to read and send mail from my gmail account using mutt. what else do i need?
[08:15] <ducasse> jbergok: you need to change a setting on gmail for that to work
[08:15] <oerheks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MuttAndGmail
[08:17] <jbergok> thanks
[08:17] <amerel> Hi! Someone familiar with "ubuntu base" rootfs images?
[08:17] <amerel> I've successfully deployed 14.04, but I've troubles with 16.04...
[08:18] <amerel> In particular, I have trouble configuring network.. How it is supposed to be done?
[08:18] <ducasse> amerel: there's a section on network config in the server guide
[08:18] <ducasse> !server
[08:19] <oerheks> the wiki says ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Base ) join #ubuntu-devel
[08:20] <amerel> ducasse: it seems not to apply to ubuntu-base images.. There you don't even have a working ifconfig or ip commands, neither dhclient or friends
[08:21] <amerel> you are supposed to install them via apt-get, but apt-get requires network..
[08:21] <amerel> on 14.04 I could get it running by editing /etc/network/interfaces
[08:21] <amerel> but on 16.04 it seems not to have any effect..
[08:22] <oerheks> amerel, 16.04 changed interface naming, did you still use eth0/wlan0 ?
[08:22] <ducasse> you use that file, but you will need the tools
[08:23] <ducasse> copy them in and install them
[08:23] <amerel> oerheks: I would like to know.. but how can I discover how interfaces are renamed in ubuntu base
[08:23] <amerel> ducasse: it's an ARM64 arch, I cant' copy them from my desktop rootfs..
[08:24] <ducasse> you download and copy the .deb files
[08:24] <oerheks> if your current OS is 16.04 too, you could see with ifconfig..
[08:24] <amerel> ducasee: ah, this is a good idea :) I'll do :)
[08:24] <oerheks> i hope you don't do this on 14.04
[08:25] <amerel> oerheks: there is no ifconfig command on ubuntu base..
[08:26] <ducasse> amerel: ask in #ubuntu-arm if you need more help
[08:26] <amerel> ducasse: thank you for the hint; I'll eventually do.. But I think the trick of downloading the deb on desktop and move it to the target SD card should work :)
[08:27] <ducasse> amerel: it should, it's the usual way of doing things like this
[08:28] <amerel> ducasse: OK! Thank you :)
[08:52] <brammm> Hi, for the first time in years, I installed Ubuntu 17.04 on an Intel NUC to see if I can make the change from OS X to Linux. I've hooked up a Dell 27" monitor but my maximum screen resolution is 1920*1080 according to the settings, even though both the gpu in this NUC and the monitor support 2560*1440.
[08:53] <brammm> I've been googling graphics drivers etc, but can't seem to find anything that's helping me...
[08:56] <hateball> brammm: what does "xrandr" say?
[08:56] <hateball> brammm: does it list anything abouve 1080p ?
[08:58] <brammm> @hateball it doesn't :/
[08:58] <brammm> I just ran through the intel graphics tool update for linux os
[08:59] <brammm> which did install some things, but one reboot later, still no dice
[09:00] <hateball> brammm: You could possible try later mesa from PPA
[09:00] <brammm> wait huh, xrandr does say that DP-1 is connected, while HDMI-1 supposedly isn't. But this NUC only has an HDMI out...
[09:02] <ikonia> brammm: that intel tool is a very bad idea
[09:02] <brammm> ikonia: oh, crapper
[09:03] <ikonia> not to worry, it's not the end of the world
[09:03] <zherlock> I am on ubuntu 14.04 LTS and want to go for 16.04.* I am not offered to get lts upgrade to 16 with "do-release-upgrade -d" (no new release found)
[09:03] <zherlock> I assume I need to update my sources ?
[09:03] <ikonia> why are you using -
[09:03] <ikonia> -d
[09:05] <brammm> hateball: installed latest mesa, but still no changes
[09:05] <brammm> darnit
[09:06] <ikonia> why would mesa impact it ?
[09:07] <brammm> no clue, that's what hateball suggested
[09:07] <brammm> I know very little about ubuntu as a gui, only have server experience so far
[09:07] <brammm> the details window does list my graphics correctly as Intel Iris Plus Graphics 650
[09:07] <zherlock> ikonia: oh.. ok. works now without -d (development version). thanks
[09:08] <ikonia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution brammm
[09:09] <brammm> thanks, reading
[09:14] <brammm> Not getting much wiser, I created a new mode with xrandr, but can't seem to select it ...
[09:14] <ikonia> how are you trying to select it ?
[09:15] <brammm> xrandr --output HDMI-1 --mode 2560x1440 --rate 60
[09:15] <oerheks> try --rate 30 ??
[09:16] <brammm> also tried with --output DP-1 (which xrandr says is the actually connected monitor)
[09:16] <oerheks> else use DP cable and monitor ..
[09:16] <brammm> the intel NUC i'm using only has an HDMI out
[09:16] <brammm> and thunderbolt 3...
[09:16] <fishcooker> !usblive
[09:16] <fishcooker> how to use bot to search topic about usblive?
[09:17] <oerheks> brammm, oke, add the mode with --rate 30 and test
[09:19] <brammm> oerheks: keeps saying it cannot find mode... The weird thing is: in the xrandr output, it's listing the newly created modes under the HDMI-1 monitor, and not under the supposedly DP-1 connected one.
[09:24] <oerheks> kaby lake is pretty new, but should be supported with 17.04/kernel 4.10.x
[09:27] <brammm> oerheks: huh, I found this http://www.svenlange.co.za/memo/add-2560x1440-resolution-for-dell-u2713h-monitor-under-ubuntu/
[09:28] <brammm> which wasn't working, but the just doing `xrandr --addmode DP-1 2560x1440` did
[09:28] <brammm> it's now listing the mode in the xrandr output and in the system settings dialog
[09:28] <brammm> however, switching to it turns my monitor black and gives a monitor warning "timing not supported"
[09:34] <brunch> Okay so I applied for a job in linux programming and human resources has the fantastic idea to send me a test which involves a dart-throwing minigame in flash
[09:35] <brunch> I tell them the test is broken, since support for flash is dropping everywhere and they now ask me to open it in internet explorer
[09:35] <brunch> come on...
[09:36] <brunch> I even downloaded google-chrome, which also whines "this plugin is not supported"
[09:36] <brunch> Do I have any options here?
[09:37] <SimonNL> apply for an other job ?
[09:37] <oerheks> firefox 52 ESR
[09:37] <brunch> Sigh... who put HR in charge?
[09:38] <oerheks> https://askubuntu.com/questions/894871/how-to-install-firefox-52-esr-on-16-04
[09:38] <brunch> thank you oerheks
[09:39] <brammm> ayyyy, I got it working at 30fps
[09:39] <brammm> over hdmi
[09:39] <oerheks> brunch, or in chrome >  chrome://settings/content  and see 'content settings ' > 'flash'  and set to non-ask ?
[09:40] <brunch> perhaps I simply don't even have flash installed
[09:40] <oerheks> but then all your pages run flash i guess
[09:40] <brunch> I thought chrome was bundled with it
[09:40] <oerheks> no, flash comes with restricted extras
[09:44] <vlt> Hello. On Ubuntu 16.04 LTS we get an error message when opening some PDF documents: "Please wait... If this message is not eventually replaced by the proper contents of the document, your PDF viewer may not be able to display this type of document."
[09:44] <oerheks> brunch, maybe this flash game is the test, do you run flash or not?
[09:44] <vlt> How can we read the document's content?
[09:44] <hielo> hi
[09:44] <brainwash> vlt: try with a different pdf viewer
[09:45] <vlt> brainwash: Which one?
[09:45] <oerheks> open with libreoffice.. else that pdf got nasty content..
[09:45] <hielo> Got firefox in .tar.bz2 format
[09:45] <hielo> How to install ?
[09:45] <brunch> oerheks: It's a part of the multiple tests I've done. But for some reason they also slapped a dart-throwing minigame which requires flash... God knows what that test is supposed to prove
[09:45] <brainwash> vlt: you could try with the web browser (firefox, chrome)
[09:45] <brunch> I haven't installed flash in a looooong time
[09:46] <oerheks> hielo, looks like sourcecode > build it yourself? but why sourcecode, ubuntu has up2date firefox
[09:46] <hielo> Its a request
[09:46] <oerheks> !build
[09:46] <vlt> oerheks: I get the same message when opening the PDF in libreoffice.
[09:48] <vlt> brainwash: I get the same message when opening the PDF in firefox.
[09:48] <oerheks> vlt,  try to read it online? http://www.pdfonlinereader.com/WebPdf2/ else i have no clue ( i would not trust it then)
[09:49] <oerheks> or google-docs..
[09:49] <vlt> oerheks: Unfortunately I can't share the document with external services.
[09:49] <brainwash> vlt: contact the creator(s) of those pdf files then
[09:51] <darme> are there any rumors when ubuntu 17.10 will be released?
[09:51] <brainwash> darme: next month
[09:51] <vlt> brainwash, oerheks: pdfinfo says this about the document: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25533000/
[09:51] <darme> more specific?
[09:52] <brainwash> vlt: this could be the issue: "JavaScript:     yes"
[09:52] <oerheks> darme, 19th .. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtfulAardvark/ReleaseSchedule
[09:52] <darme> thank you
[09:52] <brainwash> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtfulAardvark/ReleaseSchedule
[09:52] <brainwash> there you go
[09:53] <brainwash> oh snap
[09:54] <brainwash> vlt: you could take some "top 10 linux pdf viewers" site and try them one-by-one until you find a working one
[09:55] <brainwash> vlt: or install adobe reader (not supported anymore I think)
[09:55] <vlt> brainwash: Adobe Reader is not in the Ubuntu repositories, it it?
[09:56] <brainwash> https://askubuntu.com/questions/767937/how-to-install-adobe-acrobat-in-ubuntu-16-04
[09:57] <brainwash> the suggested solution is to install it from the ubuntu 12.04 repository
[09:58] <brainwash> obviously not something we would recommend
[09:58] <DK2> when ssh into device : -bash: /dev/null: No such device or address
[09:58] <DK2> but i can still login to it
[09:58] <DK2> any1 seen that error?
[09:59] <DK2> oh well cant open any files etc
[10:00] <brainwash> you are seeing this error since setting up the ssh on that device?
[10:00] <SimonNL> vlt: I had a pdf file like that once. only workaround I found was reading it in adobe reader on windows
[10:01] <DK2> brainwash: it came suddenly
[10:01] <DK2> when im trying to cd in /var/ or stuff like that i get bash: _upvars: `-a2': invalid number specifier
[10:01] <DK2> wtf?
[10:01] <DK2> broken fs
[10:01] <DK2> ?
[10:02] <brainwash> did you maybe change the .bashrc? maybe by installing some application which edits it automatically?
[10:03] <DK2> services are seemingly working tho
[10:03] <DK2> nothing on the bashrc
[10:04] <brainwash> anything in the system log?
[10:04] <vlt> brainwash: Hmmm, the Adobe Reader in the "precise partner" repository looks like non-open-source to me. Is that right? :-/
[10:04] <brainwash> DK2: hardware/filesystem errors would appear there
[10:04] <brainwash> vlt: exactly
[10:05] <vlt> brainwash: Then that's no option, either.
[10:05] <brainwash> vlt: so, please contact the creator of those pdf files
[10:06] <vlt> brainwash: Yes, thank you, I'll have to do that.
[10:06] <brainwash> request to make them compatible with open source pdf viewers
[10:06] <vlt> How could this happen? How could the standard document exchange format turn into something readable only with proprietary tools?
[10:08] <vlt> (OT, I know)
[10:08] <DK2> it seeems it happen on the auto completion
[10:08] <DK2> when i type the commands manually i can still open anything
[10:08] <DK2> just tabbing causes the error
[10:08] <DK2> nothing in the system log
[10:09] <hateball> vlt: have you tried Okular ?
[10:09] <vlt> hateball: I will, thanks.
[10:10] <DK2> when i type the commands manually i can still open anything
[10:10] <DK2> any ideas?
[10:10] <DK2> the bashrc seems fine
[10:10] <brainwash> I would check all dot files
[10:11] <brainwash> there could be changes in .profile
[10:11] <brainwash> or .bash_*
[10:12] <brainwash> other than that, I suggest asking in #bash about debugging steps
[10:13] <oerheks> vlt,  maybe that pdf is corrupted..
[10:14] <vlt> hateball: Okular displays the same "Please wait..." content but also two messages: "Documents has embedded files ==> [save]" and "has XFA forms, which are currently unsopprted".
[10:14] <alkisg> vlt: I don't think you'll find any open source viewer that supports https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XFA
[10:14] <oerheks> some mac users complain about pdf v 1.7 too.. https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7737434?start=0&tstart=0 ..
[10:14] <vlt> oerheks: I don't think so. Seems as if Adobe decided to put stuff into their newer PDF versions that is (currently) only supported by theit own products.
[10:15] <alkisg> vlt, adobe acrobat 9 from precise does read them, but as you said it's not open source
[10:15] <alkisg> It's an "optional feature", not mandatory part of the 1.5 pdf specification
[10:15] <oerheks> " version 1.7 of the PDF format was released November 2006 "
[10:15] <alkisg> Better just educate the people creating the pdfs
[10:16] <vlt> oerheks, alkisg: I'll contact the providers of that PDF file. Thank you all!
[10:16] <oerheks> i think there is malware inside..
[10:16] <alkisg> DK2: try with a new user to see if it affects all users (i.e. something in /etc) or just you (i.e. in ~)
[10:17] <DK2> ls -al /dev/null
[10:17] <DK2> srwxr-xr-x 1 root root 0 Sep 14 11:04 /dev/null
[10:17] <DK2> that should be the problem
[10:18] <sajanek> hello, I have the question about https://cz.archive.ubuntu.com/  -- there is a problem with ssl certificate here. Is it known issue, who can I contact about this case.....
[10:22] <DK2> file /dev/null
[10:22] <DK2> /dev/null: socket
[10:22] <DK2> that does not seem right?
[10:24] <hateball> vlt: googling suggests this could handle it https://code-industry.net/free-pdf-editor but I havent tried myself
[10:25] <hateball> the best option is of course a file that opens in any standard PDF reader...
[10:26] <hateball> vlt: oh and have you tried in Chromium/Chromes PDF view?
[10:28] <DK2> how can i remove that sticky s in there?
[10:28] <DK2> rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 0 Sep 14 11:04 /dev/null
[10:28] <DK2> the s infront
[10:32] <ppang> DK2: chmod
[10:33] <DK2> ah its the type of file
[10:33] <SimonNL> https://imgur.com/a/9o0xV  <= Evince
[10:33] <DK2> cannot change it
[10:33] <DK2> so my /dev/null has become a socket
[10:33] <ppang> it should be char device
[10:34] <ppang> `mknod  /dev/null  c  1  3`
[10:35] <DK2>  have to remove that file first i guess
[10:35] <DK2> is it safe?
[10:35] <DK2> mknod  /dev/null  c  1  3
[10:35] <DK2> mknod: '/dev/null': File existsy
[10:35] <DK2> zy
[10:36] <ppang> `sudo`
[10:37] <DK2> iam root
[10:37] <ppang> rm /dev/null
[10:46] <brunch> does ubuntu come installed with any virtual machine software?
[10:48] <frostschutz> brunch, you can install virtualbox or whatever you like
[10:48] <C_minus> My package manager is all messed up. It somehow started trying to install a package "prey" (software for locating stolen computers). Now I can't use apt-get to install anything. https://pastebin.com/S0vX7s56
[10:49] <C_minus> There's also an error message in my panel bar saying "...your installed packages have unmet dependencies"
[10:49] <C_minus> Broken_count > 0
[10:49] <brunch> frostschutz: just asking not to install another one when there's something preinstalled
[10:50] <frostschutz> C_minus, trying to install i386 package on amd64 platform? ... why?
[10:51] <frostschutz> brunch, I don't think there is a preinstalled one, not everyone uses virtualization
[10:52] <C_minus> frostschutz: oh whoops that's a mistake i must have dwnloaded the wrong .deb file
[10:52] <frostschutz> C_minus, why are you downloading deb files at all... it seems to be in universe
[10:52] <frostschutz> C_minus, should be dpkg -r --purge derp.deb
[10:53] <C_minus> frostschutz: I used apt-get first but we couldn't find the executable to run the installed thing.
[10:54] <frostschutz> that's not how it works
[10:54] <frostschutz> https://packages.ubuntu.com/zesty/all/prey/filelist if I read this correctly, it's a cron job, and a config file. no executable to run yourself
[10:55] <C_minus> frostschutz: dpkg: error: conflicting actions -P (--purge) and -r (--remove)
[10:55] <frostschutz> I don't know this program, so try to find a wiki or blog that explains how to set it up
[10:55] <frostschutz> C_minus, oh sorry, just --purge alone then I guess
[10:55] <vincenzoml> Hi there, has anyone seen apt stuck at 0% for 30 seconds, then working normally, each time it is launched, whereas other applications, ping etc. work normally? I'm sure I've solved this already in a previous 17.04 installation, but don't remember how
[10:57] <Anticom> vincenzoml: are we talking apt update / apt search / ... ?
[10:58] <vincenzoml> Anticom, yes, any apt command
[10:58] <Anticom> oh, umm nope, never heard of that issue
[10:58] <vincenzoml> (or apt-get for what matters)
[10:58] <Anticom> vincenzoml: try apt-get clean
[10:59] <vincenzoml> it's like it's waiting for some protocol to fail then fallback
[11:00] <vincenzoml> I suspected ipv6 but tried to disable it in network-manager and nothing changed
[11:00] <ppang> ipv6.disable=1 kernel parameter
[11:00] <Anticom> vincenzoml: maybe this will help: https://askubuntu.com/a/498949/382883
[11:00] <ppang> but since u said `apt search` is also effected
[11:01] <ppang> it does not look like ipv6 problem
[11:01] <Anticom> Btw i'm having issues with good old nvidia drivers: https://gist.github.com/Anticom/3236b2914718ef1852e495284209a367
[11:01] <cek> Hi. What's the quickest way of installing ubuntu on an usb stick while being already booted into linux same arch? Is there an installer that would work in user mode and just act on usb blockdev so that I don't have to boot the iso in a VM?
[11:01] <Anticom> I've stopped X and ran it, then the installer said that there where some conflicts with "Nouveau kernel driver" and it was offering me to create a modprobe to try to solve that
[11:02] <vincenzoml> wait sorry
[11:02] <ppang> unload that module then
[11:02] <vlt> hateball: Same problem with chromium.
[11:02] <vincenzoml> sorry any command that uses the network... you wrote "apt search" but I didn't actually see it
[11:02] <vincenzoml> apt search works just fine
[11:02] <ppang> cek: rsync current system to usb
[11:02] <w6equj5> Hi everyone. Quick question: I have been sent by my company an SSH key in the form of two files: ppk and pem. When I open the pem file, I have a GUI that offer to "import" the key and just asks for a "label". I've done that and I was wondering where is the key stored? What can I use to "manage" the keys that are "installed" on my laptop? And how to delete it? There's nothing in the .ssh folder.
[11:02] <Anticom> vincenzoml: well then my best bet would be cache file issues from apt itself
[11:02] <vlt> hateball: The free-pdf-editor you linked also seems to be non-open-source.
[11:03] <Anticom> cek: by "installing ubuntu on usb stick" you mean creating a bootable usb stick with ubuntu on it?
[11:03] <ppang> w6equj5: create .ssh folder... add `config` file
[11:03] <ppang> w6equj5: move .pem file to .ssh folder
[11:03] <Anticom> w6equj5: ~/.ssh/authorized_keys probably
[11:03] <vlt> SimonNL: Yes, that's the exact apge I get in all the PDF viewers I tried. Doesn't seem to be just a corrput file then.
[11:03] <ppang> chmod 600 ~/.ssh/*
[11:03] <ppang> .ssh/authorized_keys is for ssh server
[11:03] <Anticom> ppang: oopsie, yea my bad
[11:04] <vincenzoml> Anticom, just tried cleaning up everything, following that page, but nope
[11:04]  * Anticom has brain farts
[11:04] <ppang> `.ssh/authorized_keys` stores your ssh public key
[11:04] <Anticom> vincenzoml: did you see the squid-proxy related stuff at the end of the post aswell?
[11:04] <w6equj5> ppang, Anticom, you mean that this "import" function actually didn't do anything?
[11:04] <Anticom> w6equj5: dunno, never used some clicky-buntu stuff for that
[11:05] <cek> Anticom: yes, My distro is not ubuntu, I can't rsync.
[11:05] <cek> but the arch is the same, userland tools should work.
[11:06] <vincenzoml> Anticom, there is no proxy-related file in my apt.conf.d
[11:06] <ppang> w6equj5: 'find /etc/ -type f | grep .pem'
[11:06] <Anticom> cek: maybe there's a usb-creator-gtk / usb-creator-kde package in your repos?
[11:07] <Anticom> vincenzoml: hm well then i can't help i'm afraid
[11:07] <ppang> Anticom: he is not talking about live usb stuff. he just want to have full linux in usb without rebooting
[11:07] <Anticom> ppang: how is this even a thing?
[11:08] <ppang> rsync will work in that case
[11:08] <cek> no usb-creator-gtk. There's unetbootin
[11:08] <ppang> just make sure to install grub after rsync
[11:08] <w6equj5> ppang, that command doesn't find anything.
[11:08] <Anticom> ppang: he said he can't rsync
[11:08] <w6equj5> Well there is a ppm file somewhere but it's unrelated.
[11:08] <ppang> cek: if you want to make live-usb then use `dd` command
[11:08] <cek> my distro is not ubuntu. What should I rsync from withing that ubuntu iso i downloaded?
[11:09] <Anticom> Anyone on my nvidia driver question btw? :)
[11:09] <cek> dd will overwrite partitioning scheme on usb drive.
[11:10] <ppang> cek: if u can reboot, try booting the iso file directly from grub and then install it to the thumb drive
[11:10] <cek> I'm not trying to create an usb live CD, I'm trying to install ubuntu on a blockdev, essentially.
[11:11] <ppang> cek: yeah i got you.. http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/grub-boot-iso
[11:11] <hateball> vlt: yes it is closed source, I didnt see you mention requiring open source
[11:12] <ppang> Anticom: unload nouveau
[11:13] <ppang> blacklist nouveau in /etc/modprobe.d
[11:14] <Anticom> ppang: okay so there's no way arround that? I just didn't want to mess with those kind of things w/o knowing what i'm doing because it might render my machine useless and i don't have another machine to hang out here and ask for help afterwards ;)
[11:14] <ppang> is it a laptop or desktop
[11:15] <ppang> if its laptop then ur nvidia graphics is secondary.. u can safely unload nouveau
[11:15] <Anticom> ppang: it's an ancient server
[11:16] <Anticom> ppang: which i'm now using as my workstation
[11:16] <vlt> hateball: Thanks, I'll try it in an isolated VM ;-)
[11:17] <hateball> vlt: I prefer open source myself of course, but sometimes one must bite the bullet :p
[11:18] <Anticom> vlt: maybe i've missed that but did you try evince?
[11:31] <theablestman> how do i remove spotify completely??
[11:41] <Anticom> During the installation process of the nvidia driver, i'm getting asked whether i want to install "Nvidias 32-bit compatibility OpenGL drivers"
[11:42] <Anticom> Since i'm on a 64-bit machine, i'm not really sure whether to confirm this (?)
[11:42] <ppang> what?
[11:42] <Anticom> [13:41] <Anticom> During the installation process of the nvidia driver, i'm getting asked whether i want to install "Nvidias 32-bit compatibility OpenGL drivers"
[11:42] <Anticom> ^^^ ppang
[11:42] <vincenzoml> Anticom, thanks a lot anyway
[11:43] <brainwash> Anticom: I assume those are needed for 32bit applications/games
[11:43] <Anticom> brainwash: so if i choose to install them, it's an additional component that's getting installed rather than a 32-bit replacement?
[11:44] <brainwash> right
[11:44] <ioria> Anticom, are you using the nvidia installer .sh  or the ubuntu repo's ?
[11:45] <Anticom> ioria: the NVIDIA***.run which basically is a shell script i believe
[11:45] <ioria> Anticom, may i ask you why ?
[11:46] <Anticom> ioria: ???
[11:47] <zzarr> hello! how do I find firmware for a Broadcom network device (bcm4356) for kernel 4.12?
[11:47] <ioria> Anticom, nvidia drivers are available in the ubu repos and from the ppa ....
[11:47] <Anticom> ioria: um didn't actually know there where somewhere in universe
[11:47] <Anticom> well i've disabled Nouveau already and got the installer running
[11:48] <Anticom> So i'd have to revert all this to use the repo i suppose?
[11:48] <ioria> Anticom, restricted , i guess
[11:48] <Anticom> ioria: yea
[11:48] <ppang> ancient server... zzz
[11:49] <ioria> Anticom, i just asked you why  you choose the .run installer ... that's all :þ
[11:49] <Anticom> ioria: well i just didn't know there was a ppa for it
[11:50] <Anticom> okay but back to my original question, it's okay to install the 32-bit component aswell?
[11:50] <Anticom> ioria: furthermore it's just a NVIDIA 210, it's an office machine and no gaming rig etc.
[11:50] <ioria> Anticom, yes ,    for info : https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[11:50] <Anticom> so i think i'm fine with not getting any updates as long as i get it to a properly working state for once
[11:50] <ioria> ok
[11:51] <Anticom> Alright guys, thanks for the info. See you at the other side
[11:56] <lucido> Hi
[11:56] <lucido> I'm having trouble upgrading from 15.04 to 16.04
[11:57] <lucido> have tried sudo do-release-upgrade -d, but got: UpdateManager.Core.MetaRelease.MetaReleaseParseError: Required key 'Dist' missing
[12:00] <hateball> !eolupgrade | lucido
[12:05] <lucido> hateball, ah yeah, the old releases path, thanks!
[12:09] <lucido> looks like there is no vivid in the old releaseas: W: Failed to fetch http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/vivid/main/binary-amd64/Packages  404  Not Found
[12:10] <thyriaen> Can i use the information given in /sys/kernel/debug/dri/0/amdgpu_pm_info to approximate wattage of my grahics card ? I am looking for a way to piece together system power draw from software outputs - input is really appriciated if someone got any ideas :P
[12:16] <Mehrzad> Hi.
[12:16] <Mehrzad> Are the software center problems fixed in version 16.04.3?
[12:17] <ikonia> what problems
[12:19] <Mehrzad> Many problems that occure after updating to ubuntu 16.04, that has made people to reinstall th old softeare center versions
[12:19] <ikonia> such as ?
[12:19] <ikonia> I've not heard of that, and I don't think it would be possible to install the old versions as the versions are normally tied to the ubuntu release
[12:19] <ikonia> so you couldn't install the version from 14.04 on 16.04
[12:19] <ikonia> I'm not really sure where you are getting this info, or what problems you're talking about
[12:20] <Mehrzad> For example, I open a deb package with the software center, press install, and then nothing happens
[12:20] <wasanzy> hello
[12:21] <ikonia> so thats not a problem thats impacting everyone, and I'd suggest some form of debugging around this may help.
[12:21] <Mehrzad> Or, many programs don't show up in the installed list
[12:21] <ikonia> so again, thats not something that is commonly mentioned in here
[12:21] <maja> any one able to help me with my headphones sounding horid on some songs ?
[12:21] <Mehrzad> weird
[12:21] <maja> we have tested them on another computer and they work fine
[12:23] <wasanzy> I am trying to compile "email" which is an command line to send emails. I get this error. collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
[12:23] <ikonia> use mail or mailx
[12:23] <ikonia> which is in the ubuntu repos
[12:23] <ikonia> and installed by default I think
[12:24] <maja> wasanzy: apt instll ld probably but ikonia is more right
[12:26] <ikonia> ld is installed
[12:26] <ikonia> it's the linker
[12:26] <ikonia> the ld error is because it cannot link
[12:26] <wasanzy> apt-get install mailx
[12:27] <wasanzy> E: Package 'mailx' has no installation candidate
[12:27] <maja> ikonia: or it can't be run by user running email
[12:28] <ikonia> it's not a runtime thing
[12:28] <ikonia> if you couldn't run it - you couldn't get an ld error
[12:29] <maja> ikonia: true you can run "email" but does that then run as another user or group to run other apps
[12:29] <maja> sorta like apache has its own user
[12:30] <maja> chmod 777 will tell you for sure
[12:30] <BluesKaj_> Howdy folks
[12:31] <demophobia> any idea why USB tethering via android smartphone sometimes fails to provide Internet in lubuntu 16.04?
[12:34] <ikonia> maja: what are you talking about
[12:34] <ikonia> it will run as the user that executes it
[12:35] <maja> ikonia: not if its run as a demond
[12:35] <bazhang> demophobia, usb tethering fo rinternt is not just a lubuntu issue, its the nature of the very process
[12:35] <ikonia> maja: email is not a daemon
[12:35] <JuJUBee> I want to convert a physical server to a virtual machine.  I planned on using disk2vhd.  Is this the best way to do it?
[12:35] <maja> bazhang: its  been sparatic at working for me, was amazing when it did though
[12:36] <maja> ikonia: i know little about it just guessing why it can't run ld
[12:36] <bazhang> maja are you and demophobia one and the same
[12:36] <maja> bazhang: not that i can tell
[12:36] <ikonia> maja: it CAN run ld, it's beinc compiled
[12:37] <maja> ahh but ld is returning 1
[12:37] <maja> could be ld isn't compled right
[12:37] <ikonia> what are you talking about ???
[12:37] <ikonia> do you actually understand what you are saying
[12:38] <ikonia> it's returning failure because it can't link
[12:38] <demophobia> bazhang, why is it unstable?
[12:38] <SimonNL> vlt: No most certainly not I think it's a form with some features not implemented in standard PDF readers. probably a form with fill in options or so.
[12:38] <ikonia> it can't link because the compile he's running is not finishing so it can't link the object
[12:38] <lucido> argh, why can't I upgrade to 16.04 from 15.04 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades has no vivid repo
[12:39] <bazhang> demophobia, no idea why, but not limited to lubuntu nore linux, check launchpad for bugs, file a bug yourself
[12:40] <ioria> lucido,  that's true, no vivid here  http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/
[12:40] <demophobia> bazhang, how do I determine if it's a bug or me not having some driver installed? search the Internet? how much time until I can reasonably conclude no page exists with an answer (to the effect that it's not a bug)?
[12:41] <maja> ikonia: could be
[12:41] <maja> for me i want to know my headphones sounds like a ducks button when i listen to voice
[12:41] <bazhang> demophobia, step one check launchpad, have you even started that first step
[12:42] <lucido> is there a way to get mono-4 on vivid?
[12:42] <vlt> Mehrzad: Can you link to the Ubuntu bug report?
[12:42] <demophobia> bazhang, no: i asked here earlier what the order of operations was and if it was Internet search, ubuntu forums, stack exchange, ask ubuntu, then here, but no one answered that question
[12:42] <bazhang> lucido, thats long end of life
[12:43] <ioria> !info mono-complete  vivid
[12:43] <bazhang> demophobia, and I'm giveing you an answer now
[12:43] <bazhang> demophobia, so first step first
[12:44] <demophobia> 'k thanks.
[12:45] <lucido> ioria, yes that is mono-3
[12:46] <ioria> lucido, you need xenial
[12:46] <lucido> damn
[12:48] <lucido> I'll try to remove the updater and install it from the wily repo
[12:48] <ioria> lucido, if you have your backups, (nothing to loose) i'd try with the old wily repos (update, upgrade, dist-upgrade) and then you can do-release-upgrade  (without the -d flag)
[12:48] <bazhang> lucido, mixing repo packages?
[12:49] <ioria> bazhang, looks like vivid is not available from the old-release repo (http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/)
[12:50] <bazhang> ioria, it's been near three yeasrs
[12:50] <bazhang> years
[12:50] <bazhang> lucido, were you planning on mixing repo packages
[12:50] <lucido> I will do this upgrade even if it breaks physics
[12:50] <lucido> yes
[12:51] <bazhang> lucido, your version is not supported, nor is that type of repo mixing
[13:05] <Anticom> Hi all. I think I've messed up my machine with this nvidia stuff
[13:05] <Anticom> so basically the installation had failed so i reverted the manual steps i did to disable nouveau
[13:06] <Anticom> Now when i boot my machine i get to the login screen and everything seems fine but when i try to actually log in the screen turns black for a split second and then the login screen shows up again
[13:06] <Anticom> So i'm stuck there. Where can i find any X-Server related logs that migth give me some clues to what's going wrong?
[13:07] <Anticom> I've followed this post to disable nouveau: https://askubuntu.com/a/868209
[13:10] <brainwash> Anticom: /var/log/ or ~/.local/share/xorg/
[13:11] <Anticom> brainwash: I've got Xorg.0.log and Xorg.1.log
[13:12] <brainwash> check/share Xorg.0.log
[13:14] <brainwash> pay attention to the timestamp of the log file
[13:14] <brainwash> make sure it's actually from your latest login attempt
[13:14] <Anticom> ~/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.1.log says systemd-logind: got pause for xx:xx \\ evdev: HID 05f3:0007 Close \\ UnloadModule "evdev"
[13:15] <brainwash> errors are marked with EE
[13:15] <brainwash> got any?
[13:15] <fishcooker> i have dell server with 6 slots hard disk; with 2 sas disk 70GB then 2 disks 1TB, 2 slot will used as raid-1 for 2 sas disks what should i do with the rests resource ... let's say on the future i want to add 2 disk for the rest slot available
[13:15] <Anticom> open /dev/fb0: Permission denied
[13:15] <Anticom> ^ brainwash
[13:16] <hateball> Anticom: are you using secureboot?
[13:16] <hateball> Anticom: and how did you try to install the nvidia blob?
[13:16] <Anticom> hateball: i don't afaik
[13:16] <brainwash> maybe it's still trying to load the nvidia driver
[13:17] <hateball> Anticom: also, if you for some reason used sudo for a GUI app when doing this, you may have messed up permissiongs on ~/.Xauthority
[13:17] <hateball> so make sure you are the owner of that file, and not root
[13:17] <Anticom> hateball:  tried installing nvidia drivers using NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-304.132.run
[13:17] <hateball> Anticom: Any reason you did not use the builtin driver tool?
[13:18] <Anticom> hateball: .Xauthority is belonging to me
[13:18] <Anticom> hateball: just didn't know about it
[13:18] <Anticom> i never did some driver installation stuff for graphics cards
[13:18] <hateball> anyhow, you can try running "ubuntu-drivers" in a terminal, it should hopefully do The Right Thing and fix it for you
[13:18] <Anticom> hateball: with what command?
[13:19] <hateball> Anticom: "sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall" will try to install any needed proprietary drivers
[13:20] <hateball> otherwise ubuntu-drivers devices, will list devices that have drivers available
[13:22] <Anticom> hateball: that did it for me, thank you so much :)
[13:22]  * Anticom #mademyday
[13:23] <hateball> Anticom: :)
[13:41] <demophobia> i'm thinking i just visited a bad website and now have spyware on my firefox
[13:42] <vlt> Anticom: Yes. I have tried evince, atril, libreoffice, firefox, chromium, pdftk, ghostscript and okular.
[13:45] <Anticom> vlt: what's actually your problem?
[13:45] <Anticom> I only got half of the conversation :/
[13:47] <vlt> Anticom: PDF 1.7 files with XFA forms display only an error message when trying to open them.
[13:47] <demophobia> Can you confirm if I just got spyware on my firefox? Will it be removed if I uninstall it via Synaptic Package Manager and reinstall it? https://pastebin.com/LJ0kabG7
[13:48] <hateball> demophobia: if you have gotten something bad by browsing, it's installed in your firefox profile
[13:48] <hateball> demophobia: and that is not touched by reinstalling the binaries
[13:49] <leftyfb> demophobia: just remove the addon/plugin and you should be fine
[13:49] <leftyfb> demophobia: if you're that worried, just backup your bookmarks, delete ~/.mozilla/firefox and restore your bookmarks
[13:53] <demophobia> leftyfb, i looked and there were no addons apart from the default themes
[13:54] <leftyfb> demophobia: what makes you think you have "spyware"?
[13:58] <demophobia> leftyfb, i saw https://pastebin.com/LJ0kabG7 in my terminal after visiting an inappropriate website (that also loaded "popups" in other tabs or behind windows, forget which) and it basically looks scary with a bunch of 'WARN', 'ERROR', numbers i don't understand, something named "clicktoplay"
[13:58] <leftyfb> demophobia: your pastebin link doesn't work
[13:59] <demophobia> and the browser seems to be loading slower now
[13:59] <demophobia> 'cause i'm a moron setting it to 10 minutes paranoid i might be pasting some unique identifier with those numbers
[13:59] <demophobia> sorry
[14:01] <demophobia> may i message you the link?
[14:04] <leftyfb> demophobia: what you pasted is not malware
[14:04] <CarlFK> ubot9: help where is your source code?
[14:05] <CarlFK> ubot9: is not very talkative
[14:05] <leftyfb> CarlFK: can we help you with something?
[14:06] <CarlFK> leftyfb: what is the #bugno syntax for referencing a lauchpad bug so that the bot will echo the full url and bug title?
[14:07] <leftyfb> CarlFK: If you need help with ubuntu, post your question here or if you already have a bug you're referencing, just paste the link
[14:08] <Anticom> vlt: die you try a recent GNOME Document Viewer?
[14:08] <CarlFK> leftyfb: where is the source code for ubot?
[14:08] <ikonia> !ubottu
[14:09] <demophobia> leftyfb, i'd like to ask for details ... i'm searching google trying to find info on clicktoplay-rollout@mozilla.org, for example, but not finding ... except a listing of this xpi on a trojan/malware site (allegedly)
[14:10] <leftyfb> demophobia: https://goo.gl/qqVJi8    there's lots of people with that same log
[14:11] <CarlFK> ikonia: I don't see anything about source
[14:11] <ikonia> where did you look
[14:12] <CarlFK> ikonia:  ·Ubuntu Bots Development Wiki   https://ubottu.com/devel/wiki  404
[14:12] <ikonia> !botclone
[14:13] <ikonia> the link says use !botclone to get the info
[14:13] <ikonia> which is that url
[14:13] <ikonia> does that work for you ? looks like it's got the launchpad repo and project page
[14:15] <demophobia> well, okay then, thanks! good day
[14:16] <CarlFK> ikonia: maybe.  where do I report the 404s I am finding?  like "Usage information is also available here https://ubottu.com/devel/wiki/Plugins
[14:17] <CarlFK> er, bot chanel.. off I go
[14:17] <ikonia> CarlFK: chaps in ubuntu-bots-devel or if you're feeling nice, log a bug to ubuntu-bots project
[14:23] <m1chael> I have fresh install fresh on a 2TB SATA hard drive. is it possible to use 'dd' to clone this installation over to an empty 120GB SATA SSD and have it work normal if I boot from it?
[14:24] <ikonia> m1chael: you don't want to do that
[14:24] <ikonia> if it's just a fresh install - just re-install it on the SSD
[14:26] <CarlFK> m1chael:   what ikonia said.  adding: it will be broken in a few places, like you will have a 2T file system on a 120G drive.  that's pretty bad.
[14:26] <ikonia> well, it won't fit
[14:26] <m1chael> okay
[14:26] <hateball> you can use partclone for it tho
[14:26] <ikonia> as dd is block level, so you'd have to put logic into take only written space
[14:26] <hateball> but if the install has no data, reinstall is probably faster
[14:27] <ikonia> then you partition table would be off
[14:27] <ikonia> and would the file system by optimizsed for ssd
[14:27] <m1chael> for some reason when i installed, I had to boot live again and run grub-install because grub apparently wasn't installed properly
[14:27] <ikonia> then you have all the hassle with fstab and grub and the boot loader
[14:27] <ikonia> just re-install
[14:27] <m1chael> okay, will definitely reinstall
[14:27] <m1chael> glad i asked.
[14:30] <rory> how do I literally make a directory called . ?
[14:30] <rory> please don't ask.
[14:31] <brainwash> what error do you get when trying to create it?
[14:34] <cousteau> What 3D games are there in the repositories that will look acceptably cool on a machine with a REALLY bad graphics card?
[14:34] <cousteau> I just tried Armagetron Advanced and it looks awful
[14:34] <cousteau> (this "machine" is not even a PC; it's an embedded board)
[14:34] <rory> mkdir: cannot create directory ‘.’: File exists
[14:34] <rory> because "." means "current directory"
[14:34] <ikonia> you don't
[14:34] <ikonia> why would you do that
[14:34] <rory> Someone has done it at some point
[14:35] <ikonia> why would you do this ?
[14:35] <leftyfb> cousteau: that's not really a support question. Sounds like you should just be doing your own research there to find the results you're looking for
[14:35] <ikonia> you're creating a problem
[14:35] <rory> I said don't ask, but if you insist
[14:35] <leftyfb> rory: you don't
[14:35] <cousteau> leftyfb, fair enough; I was thinking if maybe #ubuntu-offtopic might be a better channel
[14:35] <rory> This tar.gz has a directory in it called . and I need to replicate the same directory structure. It's not an option to change the directory structure.
[14:35] <rory> I know it's retarded
[14:35] <ikonia> rory: it seems unlikley it would have a directory in it called . if it's come from a linux machine
[14:36] <rory> Surely there's a way to escape it?
[14:36] <cousteau> rory, sounds like "./" may be the same as ""
[14:36] <ikonia> bottom line - it's not going to happen in a real world usable way
[14:36] <leftyfb> rory: It probably doesn't have a directory called ".". It's probably meant to put those files 1 level up or something.
[14:36] <cousteau> so that "./dir/foo.txt" and "dir/bar.txt" both decompress on directory ./dir relative to where you are
[14:36] <rory> No it really does
[14:37] <brainwash> leftyfb: isn't 1 level up ".."?
[14:37] <leftyfb> rory: is there anything in it? And why is it necessary?
[14:37] <ikonia> easy answer, extract it on a windows box, change the "." directory
[14:37] <cousteau> rory, afaik there's no way to "escape" special names or characters in dir names
[14:37] <rory> can you just trust me that it's necessary
[14:37] <cousteau> ...maybe messing with Unicode
[14:37] <cousteau> s/Unicode/UTF-8/
[14:37] <leftyfb> brainwash: you're right, now that I think about it. It's just the same directory. So if there's anything in it, then just move those to the root of the archive
[14:37] <rory> I wouldn't be asking such a batshit question if it weren't
[14:37] <ikonia> tone down the language
[14:38] <leftyfb> rory: without more information on the end goal ( a directory named . is not the end goal), then we can't help you
[14:38] <rory> Sorry. This issue is pretty representative of today
[14:38] <ikonia> not a problem, it happens
[14:38] <rory> I have a tar.gz file which contains content consumed by some remote system I can't control. I need to create a new tar.gz file with some different content, but the same basic directory structure
[14:39] <ikonia> the easy answer is do it on a windows host
[14:39] <rory> http://storage3.static.itmages.com/i/17/0914/h_1505399966_5922966_6ddf0465f3.png
[14:39] <ikonia> because there will be no unix host expecting a directory called "." unless it's the cwd
[14:39] <ikonia> thats just cwd
[14:39] <rory> no it's not
[14:39] <ikonia> thats how it reads
[14:40] <rory> http://storage5.static.itmages.com/i/17/0914/h_1505399998_9281306_4c19776b62.png
[14:40] <rory> Look at the path
[14:40] <rory> /./
[14:40] <rory> If I go in one of the dirs it will become /./etc/
[14:40] <ikonia> make a directory and untar it in that directory
[14:40] <ikonia> I suspect it will just be ./etc/something
[14:40] <ikonia> in the cwd
[14:41] <rory> I'm going to use this gui tool to replace the contents of the . directory
[14:41] <ikonia> make sure you do it in a directory not root though
[14:41] <ikonia> don't use the gui
[14:41] <ikonia> just untar it in a directory
[14:41] <ikonia> what do you get ?
[14:41] <cousteau> rory, /./ is the same as / so I guess that tar means that the path is /etc/
[14:42] <cousteau> ah no wait
[14:42] <cousteau> that initial / may mean "tar's root"
[14:42] <leftyfb> rory: do it on Windows. You won't be creating a "." directory on anything *NIX
[14:42] <cousteau> so yeah what ikonia said; ./etc/something
[14:42] <cousteau> leftyfb, pretty sure . is the same in Windows
[14:42] <cousteau> ...well, relatively sure
[14:43] <ikonia> it's not you can have a . directory in explorer
[14:43] <ikonia> it's only the command prompt that acknowledges it
[14:43] <cousteau> welp disregard then :)
[14:43] <ikonia> but just untar it in a directory on a linux box, I bet it will be just fine
[14:43] <ikonia> (make sure it's in a directory though)
[14:46] <cousteau> I was thinking on doing something like   mkdir $(printf '\xc0\xae')   because I thought \xc0\xae was a valid "alternative way to encode '.' in UTF-8" but it seems it isn't
[14:46] <ikonia> an interesting suggestion though
[14:46] <cousteau> printf '\xc0\xae\n'   displays <?><?>
[14:47] <cousteau> whereas   printf '\xc3\xb1\n'   displays ñ
[14:47] <cousteau> ikonia, thanks :)
[14:48] <leftyfb> rory: how about reporting a bug to the makers of the "some remote system" to not name directories . just because some developer hates the world?
[15:06] <Dbugger> Hello everyone
[15:06] <Dbugger> I dont know if this is the proper channel to ask this but... I was thinking of updating the firmware in my BIOS, but I have never done it before. How can I find out where to get the last version?
[15:09] <nacc> Dbugger: not the right channel :) check your laptop vendor's site
[15:09] <Dbugger> nacc, it is not my laptop. It is my desktop PC
[15:10] <Dbugger> All I know is that it uses an American Megatrends BIOS
[15:10] <nacc> Dbugger: check your desktop PC vendor
[15:11] <Dbugger> nacc, and maybe would you know how can I find it from Ubuntu, what motherboard am I using?
[15:11] <Dbugger> Because I have no clue :P
[15:12] <nacc> Dbugger: sudo dmidecode | grep -A5 'Base Board', maybe
[15:12] <Dbugger> Oh great, it worked!
[15:12] <Dbugger> Thanks :)
[15:13] <nacc> Dbugger: yw
[15:13] <Dbugger> So I guess I have to go to the ASUS website
[15:13] <blueboy> What do you guys think is the better GUI for high res laptop usage ?
[15:14] <argusbr> i need edited my swap
[15:14] <nacc> blueboy: polling isn't generally connsidered appropriate for this channnel
[15:14] <compdoc> blueboy, I like mate
[15:14] <oerheks> blueboy, any DE can scale, so that does not matter anymore
[15:14] <blueboy> Understood
[15:14] <argusbr> i need edited my swap  how to make??? i have one hd ssd 512 gb
[15:15] <oerheks> argusbr, on what ubuntu version?
[15:15] <compdoc> argusbr, changing the swap by hand can be a little difficult
[15:15] <oerheks> 17.04 comes with a wap-file, no partitionanymore
[15:17] <Dbugger> What the... there is no new BIOS firmware since 2011??? Is this possible??
[15:17] <oerheks> Dbugger, sure, some day supports ends.
[15:18] <Dbugger> but 2011 is when I bouht it...
[15:18] <oerheks> .. or there are no bugs found anymore...
[15:18] <Dbugger> Wow...
[15:18] <oerheks> Dbugger, date of buying and date of release, 2 different things
[15:18] <Dbugger> no, yeah, I get it...
[15:18] <Dbugger> damm
[15:18] <oerheks> some software never got an update.. it is just perfect
[15:19] <Dbugger> I just had some weird bugs in my system, that happens both in Windows and Linux... so I was hoping a BIOS update would fix that.. but I guess it wont :/
[15:24] <oerheks> ioria :-)
[15:24] <ioria> oerheks, hi, what 's up ?
[15:25] <oerheks> Nothing, just happy to see you :-D
[15:25] <ioria> lol
[16:20] <cek> how do I get shell during ubuntu install? seems to be stalled here, want to find out whats up
[16:21] <oerheks> cek,  hit: ctrl alt F1 # and return to install with: ctrl alt F7
[16:21] <cek> terminal is empty, no getty
[16:21] <cek> and it's f2, not f1 , as f1 is occupied by X
[16:22] <oerheks> oh oke, F2 then
[16:23] <oerheks> it might take a few seconds for the prompt to appear..
[16:24] <xrandr> cek: check your hdd activity light. Make sure that it isn't consuming a lot of resources trying to install a package or whatnot
[16:25] <oerheks> xrandr +1 or hit shiftlock, if the light starts to blink,no worry
[16:25] <cek> should i also consult a magic ball?
[16:25] <xrandr> cek:  if you have one
[16:26] <xrandr> if the HDD light is blinking rapidly or is solid, then it is working, just taking a while to do whatever it needs to do
[16:26] <oerheks> type: eject # and the magic ball tray appears
[16:26] <xrandr> if the HDD light on the computer is off, well, then, it may have stalled and you would need to restart the install process
[16:28] <xrandr> hopefulluy that helps
[16:28] <xrandr> off to get some lunch - bbiab
[16:48] <abed> Hi
[16:48] <abed> isn't this an 'official' ubuntu channel? since it's one #
[16:48] <nacc> abed: it says official in /topic.
[16:48] <nacc> abed: what is your actual questionn?
[16:48] <abed> nacc: that was pretty much it.
[16:49] <abed> I have a bad habit at not looking at the topics
[16:49] <oerheks> the channels with ## are user channels
[16:49] <abed> oerheks: what is this, like an aliens channel?
[16:50] <oerheks> I would not call official community supported channels aliens..
[16:51] <abed> oerheks: I'm kidding but what do you mean by user vs non-users?
[16:52] <abed> as in the official community of developers of ubuntu vs just users of ubuntu?
[16:53] <oerheks> abed yes, anyone can make an ##channel, if you try to make #ubuntu-love ( i did once)  the ops come in and ask about intentions
[16:54] <oerheks> This is the only way to give the channel a proper official status on freenode
[16:54] <abed> ah
[16:56] <sruli> using xscreensaver GLSlideshow to display images, is there any way i can make it display floating text on each image with the image name?
[16:57]  * xrandr wanders around aimlessly
[16:57]  * xrandr forgets what freenode was called before it became freenode
[16:58] <abed> xrandr: it was like Open something something
[16:58] <xrandr> yeah
[16:58] <abed> Open Project
[16:59] <xrandr> yeah that's it. openproject
[16:59]  * abed is good at history
[16:59] <xrandr> I think freenode has the largest IRC community nowadays. Most other networks have died off.
[16:59] <xrandr> Anyway, that's offtopic
[16:59]  * xrandr now returns to ubuntu support mode
[16:59] <abed> shortly after WWI, that's when things started changing. then during the Cold war, things changed for good
[17:00] <abed> xrandr: yeah because other networks are just for socializing and there's better places for that now: i.e facebook
[17:00] <abed> ill stop being offtopic as well
[17:01] <xrandr> Please state the nature of your ubuntu emergency
[17:10] <murii> https://hastebin.com/cecojaxiwo.sql
[17:11] <murii> Can someone one help me with the certificats,please?
[17:11] <murii> I really need to use mysql and it won't let me install it
[17:11] <xrandr> murii: I was unaware that you need a certificate to install MySQL
[17:12] <xrandr> sudo apt-get install mysql-server
[17:12] <oerheks> murii, where did you get that repo jmu.edu/pub/mariadb/
[17:12] <nacc> murii: it's a bad mirror.
[17:12] <oerheks> you need the key from them..
[17:12] <murii> xrandr, doesn't work. I get this https://hastebin.com/ujasajidik.sql
[17:12] <nacc> oerheks: i think it's that it's not signed at all
[17:13] <nacc> murii: why are you using a non-standard archive?
[17:13] <oerheks> oh, then don't trust it.
[17:13] <nacc> oerheks: +1
[17:13] <nacc> murii: you are on 17.04?
[17:13] <murii> I have no idea. I just ran: sudo apt install mysql-server-5.7
[17:13] <murii> nacc, I am
[17:13] <nacc> murii: then why do you have a trusty repository configured?
[17:13] <oerheks> https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=mariadb-server
[17:13] <murii> nacc, I don't know
[17:13] <nacc> murii: in any case, that log you provided gives you very clear guidance (on both issues)
[17:13] <oerheks> xenial gets mariadb 10...
[17:13] <murii> I screwed it
[17:14] <nacc> murii: 1) remove the garbage repo you are using; 2) stop mysql-server and try `sudo apt -f install`
[17:18] <murii> nacc, which garbage repo?
[17:19] <murii> mariadb?
[17:19] <oerheks> yes, stuff outside our repos without key is garbage
[17:20] <murii> I tried to purge mariadb but I get no result
[17:21] <nacc> murii: 'purge'?
[17:21] <nacc> murii: it's a repository, not a package
[17:22] <nacc> murii: unless you mean ppa-purge? in which case, not sure it can handle a non-PPA repository
[17:22] <murii> then what can I do?
[17:23] <xrandr> murii: cat /etc/apt.d/sources |grep jmu.edu
[17:23] <oerheks> *if* you uninstalled it, remove the mariadb list in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/  folder
[17:23] <xrandr> see what file it is
[17:23] <xrandr> yeah, /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[17:23] <oerheks> xrandr,  ppa's get their own file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ nowadays
[17:23] <oerheks> oke
[17:24] <xrandr> so cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* |grep jmu.edu
[17:24] <xrandr> see what file it has
[17:24] <oerheks> i think nothing is installed, as you had no key
[17:24] <Len> Guys, can someone recommend some tutorial/book/articles about Linux CLI for beginners? I don't have any idea what should I recommend to my friend... he knows nothing about UNIX, but he's from IT/ele section (C/AVR/electronics for about 8~years)
[17:24] <xrandr> move it out of that directory
[17:24] <xrandr> then sudo apt-get update
[17:24] <xrandr> then sudo apt-get install mysql-server
[17:24] <murii> xrandr, I get nothing
[17:24] <xrandr> then, sigh in relief
[17:25] <nacc> Len: "Linux CLI" == shell?
[17:25] <xrandr> murii: well, you could always look through each individual file there to see which one has the jmu.edu
[17:25] <Len> yeah.. generally whole Linux usage but via console not GUI
[17:26] <Len> giving someone advices's how he should learn Linux via GUI is just bad :-)
[17:26] <oerheks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal -- http://linuxcommand.org/
[17:26] <nacc> Len: there are bash guides (if that is the shell used)
[17:27] <nacc> Len: the point being "Linux CLI" is not a thing :)
[17:27] <murii> YES
[17:27] <murii> I made it, it was in source.list
[17:27] <murii> sources.list*
[17:28] <Len> nacc: well... yes you're right ;-) I'm just using anything like I have to, not giving any deeper thoughts, but bash is preinstalled on most distributions and it's good start point
[17:29] <nacc> Len: and to be clear, you are in the ubuntu channel, not a general Linux channel, so our advice is intended for Ubuntu
[17:30] <murii> nacc, now I want to install mysql-workbench and I get this: https://hastebin.com/iwubitohuz.sql so I tried to install mysql-server-5.7 but I get : error processing archive
[17:30] <jhutchins> Len:  http://www.linuxcommand.org/ https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2005/05/20/terminal1.html http://www.ischool.berkeley.edu/~kevin/unix-tutorial/toc.html  http://linuxcommand.org/lc3_learning_the_shell.php  http://linuxcommand.org/tlcl.php
[17:32] <oerheks> murii, did you properly upgrade before installing? sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[17:32] <Len> nacc: I know, there's biggest traffic from first glance lol
[17:32] <oerheks> !info mysql-workbench zesty
[17:32] <oerheks> !info mysql-server zesty
[17:33] <Len> anyway thanks nacc, oerheks and jhutchins
[17:33] <murii> nacc, what exactly is : The following packages have *unmet* dependencies:
[17:33] <murii> ?
[17:33] <nacc> murii: the way to figure out what is broken in these cases is to iteratively resolve the pkg issues. So in this case: `sudo apt install mysql-workbench mysql-server mysql-server-5.7 libgdal20 libmysqlclient20 libmysqlcppcon20 libmysqlcppcon7v5 mysql-workbench-data`
[17:33] <nacc> murii: that will probably still fail, keep adding packages until you get to the actual unmet dependency
[17:34] <murii> incrediblel
[17:34] <murii> incredible*
[17:34] <nacc> murii: it's literally what it says. apt is unable to resolve the dependencies necessary to install the requested package
[17:34] <nacc> murii: presumably because you installed some third party, or otherwise borked the package manager.
[17:34] <nacc> murii: but it won't recurse on its own to tell you that (not sure if there is a flag to make it do so, it's pretty fundamental to apt's package resolution algorithm)
[17:42] <nbastin> is there any way to get systemd to not hang my entire boot when it can't find the network?
[17:43] <trakinas> can anyone help me with UFW?
[17:43] <xrandr> nbastin: boot into single user mode?
[17:43] <nacc> nbastin: it shouldnn't be hanging the boot, just might be waitign
[17:43] <trakinas> ufw allow from 192.168.0.4 to any port 22  ---> what does "any" means here?
[17:43] <nbastin> nacc: I mean it waits for like 5 minutes
[17:43] <nbastin> nacc: is there any way to make it at least get to the point where I can get a console?
[17:43] <xrandr> trakinas: it means to any internal host
[17:43] <nacc> nbastin: wait the 5 minutes?
[17:44] <nbastin> that is...not a solution
[17:44] <nbastin> surely this timeout must be tweakable somehow
[17:44] <lotuspsychje> !firewall | trakinas
[17:44] <xrandr> from = external host (the internet), any = internal host (your local machine, or a sompleace on the LAN/WAN)
[17:44] <ioria> nbastin,  there should be a Timeout parameter somewhere to change , like in /etc/systemd/system/network-online.targets.wants/networking.service
[17:44] <trakinas> xrandr: so "ufw allow from 192.168.0.4 to 192.168.0.10 port 22"  woul mean it can connect to port 22 only on that host?
[17:44] <nacc> nbastin: why are you booting the system without network?
[17:44] <lotuspsychje> trakinas: see also the #netfilter channel
[17:45] <xrandr> trakinas: yes
[17:45] <nacc> nbastin: that delay typically means you booted *with* network at some point, and then it's not there -- generally, you don't want to just boot through, you want network
[17:45] <nbastin> nacc: because some topologies don't have all the ports connected
[17:45] <nbastin> nacc: yes, but I *do* want it to boot
[17:45] <trakinas> lotuspsychje, xrandr: thank you! =)
[17:45] <nacc> nbastin: nad it does boot, afaict, just after a delay
[17:45] <nacc> ioria: yeah, TimeoutStartSec, iirc
[17:45] <nbastin> ioria: thanks, I will check that out
[17:45] <ioria> nacc, yeah
[17:46] <xrandr> trakinas: it translates to allow 192.168.0.4 to connect to 192.168.0.10 on port 22
[17:46] <nbastin> nacc: I'm not here to argue semantics, or discuss why I don't like wasting my time, I'm just asking if there's a way to change it
[17:46] <nacc> nbastin: ... it's not semantics. You said you wanted to boot, it does boot. If you want to boot immediately without network, say that?
[17:47] <zarzar> hello i am running pmccabe on c files but there is no output to standard out
[17:47] <xrandr> nbastin: the better solution would be to figure out why there is a long delay on setting up the network. Something fubared with your DHCP settings?
[17:47] <zarzar> nevermind, output works with -? option, must be parsing error
[17:47] <nacc> xrandr: they say it's intentional
[17:47] <nbastin> xrandr: sometimes dhcp is available, sometimes it is not on all interfaces
[17:48] <nbastin> xrandr: the system refuses to boot if any of the interfaces can't get dhcp
[17:48] <nbastin> xrandr: well, it waits 5 minutes
[17:48] <leftyfb> nbastin: Is this with server or desktop?
[17:48] <nbastin> leftyfb: server
[17:48] <leftyfb> nbastin: also, not true
[17:48] <leftyfb> the system WILL boot, after the timeout
[17:48] <xrandr> leftyfb: how would he change the timeout
[17:48] <nbastin> leftyfb: yes, I said it waited 5 minutes, so it's like 15 minutes I can't use the box if we reboot it
[17:48] <nbastin> (because POST takes ~10 minutes)
[17:49] <nbastin> another 5 minutes is just killing me
[17:49] <xrandr> nbastin: older hardware?
[17:49] <nacc> (sounds like garbage hardware)
[17:49] <nbastin> xrandr: no
[17:49] <leftyfb> nbastin: try setting the interface(s) to allow-hotplug as opposed to auto
[17:50] <leftyfb> nbastin: also, try just changing the timeout in the systemd file as posted above
[17:50] <nbastin> leftyfb: I tried that already, but if they have link it tries to use dhcp if you have dhcp set up (it works fi they don't have link)
[17:50] <nbastin> yeah I'm trying to change this timeout
[17:51] <xrandr> nbastin: what else is the server launching at boot time that is taking so long?
[17:51] <xrandr> oh, you said POST. nvm
[17:51] <nbastin> xrandr: it takes about 10 minutes to POST 2T of ram
[17:52] <xrandr> dear lord! 2TB ram
[17:52] <jhutchins> nbastin: Is this some Dell server or something?
[17:52] <nbastin> supermicro
[17:52]  * xrandr wonders how many copies of doom he can run with that much ram
[17:52] <leftyfb> nbastin: having a machine configured for dhcp and physically plugged into a network with an active link but no active dhcp server is not a common scenario and sounds like a broken one at that. In that case, you fix that problem or customize your machine to deal with this broken situation if it's common in your case. This is not a bug.
[17:54] <nbastin> I'm just trying to get back to our 14.04 topology cycling performance
[17:54] <leftyfb> "14.04 topology cycling performance" ?
[17:54] <nbastin> "fixing" dhcp is possible with PXE, but then of course that takes longer, so we found with 14.04 a nice compromise
[17:54] <nbastin> which doesn't work in 16.04, so...I'm trying to make it work again.. :-)
[17:55] <nbastin> I can't control whether the user lights up the phy or not, and I don't want to have to reimage the machine every time
[17:55] <nbastin> (or whether they put a DHCP server on their L2)
[17:56] <nbastin> ok, setting it to 30 seconds works, thanks!
[17:57] <zarzar> JOIN #debian
[18:10] <argusbr> Sep 14 14:45:00 reliablesite kernel: [3649092.915689] device tun0 entered promiscuous modeSep 14 14:45:00 reliablesite kernel: [3649092.915689] device tun0 entered promiscuous mode " what is it? "
[18:11] <nacc> argusbr: https://www.tamos.com/htmlhelp/monitoring/
[18:11] <zarzar> hi i am running 16LTS, pmccabe produces no putput on c files and no output with sudo apt-get install pmccabe
[18:12] <zarzar> meant sudo dpkg-query -l | grep pmccabe *
[18:12] <EriC^^> !info pmccabe
[18:13] <EriC^^> !info pmccabe xenial
[18:13] <nacc> zarzar: so it seems like you have two questions?
[18:13] <nacc> zarzar: why pmccabe is not producing output and ... something else?
[18:13] <nacc> zarzar: can you pastebin your c file?
[18:13] <EriC^^> zarzar: try sudo apt-add-repository universe && sudo apt-get update
[18:13] <nacc> EriC^^: there would be an error if it wasn't already enabled, no?
[18:14] <nacc> EriC^^: oh wait, they used dpkg-query, sorry
[18:14] <zarzar> nacc: seems to be installed, -? option works
[18:14] <EriC^^> nacc: you're right though, he mentioned he used the command at first
[18:15] <spyke581> I have a Lenovo M PC running Xubuntu 16.04.3 as a HTPC that im trying to configure so that it plays sound through the displayport cable going to the TV. however the displayport jack does not come up as an option in pavu control. any ideas?
[18:15] <zarzar> i am running 16LTS, pmccabe produces no putput on c files and no output with sudo dpkg-query -l | grep pmccabe *
[18:15] <argusbr> ? paste
[18:15] <argusbr> ?paste
[18:15] <nacc> zarzar: why did you repeat that?
[18:15] <zarzar> paste
[18:15] <zarzar> https://pastebin.com/qKQ4bksE
[18:15] <zarzar> clarification
[18:16] <argusbr> how to solve problem ? https://pastebin.com/D7Zz0JEG
[18:16] <nacc> zarzar: also, your grep might be wrong (trailing *)
[18:17] <zarzar> its the extern c
[18:17] <zarzar> removed and it work
[18:17] <zarzar> works without extern c wrap
[18:17] <zarzar> that's a bummer
[18:18] <nacc> zarzar: you could also see that pmccabe is working by passing any number of flags (-v, -d, etc.)
[18:18] <argusbr> Sep 14 15:14:04 reliablesite kernel: [3650839.755670] zmeu[18015]: segfault at 3e79646f ip 00000000f760cccb sp 00000000ffdf2fd0 error 4 in libc-2.19.so[f75a9000+1ab000] how to solve problem?
[18:18] <nacc> zarzar: it just didn't like your file innput
[18:18] <nacc> argusbr: what is zmeu?
[18:19] <zarzar> nacc: pmccabe *.c | sort -nr | head -10
[18:19] <argusbr> nacc zmeu is check connections
[18:19] <nacc> argusbr: it's an application crashing, ask the application owner/author, if it's not an ubuntu package (I don't think it is)
[18:20] <nacc> zarzar: ... ok?
[18:20] <zarzar> nacc; works with this version https://pastebin.com/Wjk9dPXA
[18:20] <zarzar> nacc: yes i know that now, wasn't sure until 30 seconds ago
[18:20] <nacc> zarzar: yep, makes sense
[18:22] <mortn> passive actions on packages like dpkg -l and apt search and apt show (and apt-cache search/show) doesn't need sudo privs
[18:26] <nacc> mortn: good point
[18:29] <zarzar> nacc: trailing * was wrong in dpkg-query -l | grep pmccabe *
[18:30] <zarzar> so that works now also
[18:30] <nacc> zarzar: right
[18:30] <zarzar> taken from "linuz faq" https://www.thelinuxfaq.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-17-04-zesty-zapus/pmccabe
[18:31] <zarzar> so much bad info out there
[18:31] <Soul_Sample> is there a special channel for artful? my indicators are not showing even though the extension is installed and enabled. other extensions work properly
[18:32] <nacc> Soul_Sample: #ubuntu+1
[18:32] <cmanns> Is there a way to just double click a OVPN openvpn file and connect?
[18:32] <Soul_Sample> nacc: thanks!
[18:38] <cmanns> Am on ubuntu 17.x, I cant find any GUI for OpenVPN
[18:38] <mortn> cmanns: network-manager-openvpn
[18:38] <mortn> and network-manager-openvpn-gnome (iirc) is what you're looking for
[18:39] <mortn> cmanns: sudo apt install network-manager-openvpn-gnome
[18:40] <mortn> cmanns: perhaps you need to sudo systemctl restart NetworkManager
[18:43] <blacknred0> anybody knows if you connect to microsoft through gnome accounts where the data is stored (specifically the documents)?
[18:44] <xrandr> blacknred0: like in OneDrive?
[18:44] <mortn> blacknred0: could you elaborate on "connect to microsoft"?
[18:44] <mortn> :D
[18:44] <blacknred0> xrandr: yes
[18:44] <blacknred0> mortn: i assume that is onedrive api that it uses
[18:44] <xrandr> blacknred0: i believe there is a onedrive client for linux
[18:45] <blacknred0> i found this -> https://git.gnome.org/browse/libzapojit/ , and enable "documents", but can't seem to find where are they!!!
[18:46] <xrandr> http://xmodulo.com/sync-microsoft-onedrive-linux.html
[18:46] <xrandr> try that
[18:47] <mortn> blacnkred0: if xrandr suggestion is not working out, have a look at https://www.maketecheasier.com/sync-onedrive-linux/
[18:47] <mortn> referenced from https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2325003
[18:49] <blacknred0> xrandr mortn : yea, onedrive-d was not too cool in keeping in synced .... when i saw that google mounts smoothly in gnome 3, thought that microsoft would be the same
[18:49] <rory> Can I make grep return 0 even if no results were found, or do I need to use || true ?
[18:49] <blacknred0> but what you expect from microsoft ... no less :P
[18:49] <tytan> Hello everyone. I just bought an AMD Ryzen R7 1700 and one of my friends said that there might be some problems running linux on it. A quick google search didn't get me a definitive answer. I want to run Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS Server on that on a SAMSUNG SSD 960 EVO NVMe. Will I run into trouble?
[18:49] <xrandr> blacknred0: well, Microsoft isn't very fond of linux, even though Win10 comes with a linux subsystem now
[18:50] <nacc> rory: see `man grep`, generally, no. and you want to test the rc to know why it failed, not just always succeed
[18:50] <mortn> filesystems and filesharing is _not_ microsofts strong points, no ;-)
[18:50] <xrandr> so what you'll be able to do with M$ products will be limited
[18:50] <blacknred0> xrandr: yep
[18:50] <nacc> rory: as your would return true even in error conditions
[18:51] <xrandr> blacknred0: perhaps using onedrive-d in conjunction with crond to keep everything synced?
[18:51] <blacknred0> ok, i'm glad i wasn't the only one rofl https://ask.fedoraproject.org/en/question/90075/where-are-the-onedrive-documents-found/
[18:51] <mortn> tytan: why don't you pop in a usb key with ubuntu server or desktop on it and see if you get any probs
[18:51] <blacknred0> xrandr: yep, that's an idea :)
[18:51] <mortn> tytan: i wouldn't expect any problems
[18:51] <ioria> rory, --quiet or --silent
[18:51] <xrandr> blacknred0: I know, I thought of it lol :P
[18:52] <tytan> mortn Haven't got those yet.
[18:52] <tytan> ... or is it "haven't gotten" ... ?
[18:52] <nacc> ioria: i believe those still will only exit with 0 if a match is found
[18:53] <ioria> nacc, oh, ok
[18:53] <blacknred0> xrandr: :P
[18:53] <rory> ioria: No good sadly as I want to see output if there is any. Looks like || true is the best way for me.
[18:53] <ioria> i see
[18:53] <xrandr> blacknred0: I'd suggest 5 minute intervals of syncing using onedrive-d
[18:53] <xrandr> this way M$ doesn't think you're attacking them
[18:53] <nacc> rory: so you just want to discard the return code from grep? then your method is fine
[18:54] <nacc> rory: but note that it's not doing exactly what you said you wanted (it's doing more)
[18:59] <platz> sometimes it seems like certain programs like chrome take a very long time to start after wake from suspsend.. i'm not sure if something is odd with dbus or ck-session after suspsend. I have some output here https://gist.github.com/jonschoning/02623d9e2eb509d94986f530b90a7f99
[19:00] <ioria> rory, grep pippo  myfile.txt  || :  && echo $?
[19:02] <ramsub07> Hi, i had two different access to a file. one was from my work on the system directly. the other through VPN and samba
[19:02] <ramsub07> now i had made some changes to the file and hit an extra ctrl + z when on VPN. ( I had made some changes through the day and it's lost) can someone please help me
[19:02] <rh10> which not too expensive webcamera can you recommended? (compatible with ubuntu) for high quality skype talks.
[19:05] <leftyfb> ramsub07: if you undid changes and save your file and you have no revision control or backups, there's nothing you can do
[19:06] <ramsub07> leftyfb: damn! :/
[19:07] <blacknred0> xrandr: i might have found something better that i could work with -> https://github.com/ncw/rclone :)
[19:07] <blacknred0> the rsync for the cloud :D
[19:13] <xrandr> blacknred0: try it, let me know how it works!
[19:15] <blacknred0> will do
[19:23] <alias_neo> Hi guys. I have a couple of bugs in Arty nightly that I can't seem to find here :https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/artful . Should I raise them there?
[19:24] <alias_neo> I find it hard to believe they haven't been raised so is there somewhere else they could be?
[19:25] <lotuspsychje> alias_neo: #ubuntu+1 please
[19:26] <alias_neo> lotuspsychje: Thanks.
[20:05] <Elysium3301> Hi all, I'm trying to get my fingerprint scanner working on 16.04.1. Got it all set up and got my prints enrolled with fingerprint-gui but it isn't working when logging in or sudo'ing or anything. How do I enable it?
[20:09] <oerheks> Elysium3301, maybe you miss them PAM module,  libpam-fprintd >> http://freelinuxtutorials.com/quick-tips-and-tricks/quick-tip-install-fingerprint-scanner-fprint-ubuntu-16-04-linux/
[20:13] <Elysium3301> oerheks: Thanks! With that tutorial I don't even need fingerprint-gui anymore and it works directly in Ubuntu! :)
[20:13] <oerheks> good, have fun!
[20:14] <Elysium3301> :)
[20:31] <wasanzy> echo "This is message body" | mailx -s "This is Subject" -r  " <mailfrom@doman.com>" -a test.txt  mailto@domain.com
[20:31] <wasanzy> This command is not attaching the file test.txt
[20:36] <al2o3-cr> wasanzy: have you tried quoting the attachment?
[20:37] <wasanzy> no
[20:37] <oerheks> or /path/to/text.txt
[20:39] <wasanzy> non worked
[20:42] <wasanzy> I see this example but it didn't work either $ echo "Message Body Here" | mailx -s "Subject Here" -a backup.zip user@example.com
[20:44] <faLUCE> Hello. Is there any decent mp3 splitter, with gui, on yakketi? I tried to install mp3splt-gtk but it's a nightmaer
[20:46] <faLUCE> Hello. Is there any decent mp3 splitter, with gui? I tried to install mp3splt-gtk but it's a nightmare
[20:48] <jost> Hi! My ecryptfs-encrypted home partition randomly unmounts... does someone have an idea? https://askubuntu.com/questions/950066/ecryptfs-unmounts-ever-half-hour-or-so-after-home-partition-ran-full
[20:51] <ducasse> faLUCE: yakkety is eol
[20:51] <ducasse> !eol
[20:52] <xrandr> just out of curiosity, if someone has an EOL product, but their company requirements dictate they stay at that version, how would they get support?
[20:52] <nacc> xrandr: EOL product?
[20:52] <oerheks> simply not.
[20:52] <nacc> xrandr: you mean they are based off, say, 16.10?
[20:53] <xrandr> End Of Life
[20:53] <oerheks> no updates, nosupport here..
[20:53] <nacc> xrandr: yes, I know what EOL stands for. What do you mean by "EOL product"?
[20:53] <oerheks> no company support canonical
[20:53] <xrandr> nacc: oerheks answered my question :) Thanks though :)
[20:53] <kostkon> !yakkety
[20:54] <oerheks> Often they complaint their software only works on ubuntu xx.yy .. but that is false, blaming us.
[20:54] <xrandr> some software does only work on certain versions of ubuntu
[20:54] <xrandr> but i really don't wanna start that discussion lol
[20:54] <faLUCE> I see,. but I only need a name of a good program, with gui, for splitting a mp3
[20:54] <faLUCE> ducasse:
[20:55] <xrandr> faLUCE: Audacity
[20:55] <ducasse> faLUCE: 'no support' means no support
[20:55] <oerheks> mp3splt && mp3splt-gtk should work great
[20:55] <fishcooker> how to redirect all traffic to another host... let's say i have many udp and tcp ports to be redirected one by one
[20:55] <faLUCE> xrandr: does audacity reencode the mp3, after splitting it ?
[20:57] <faLUCE> xrandr: I don't want to reencode the file
[20:57] <faLUCE> re-encode
[20:57] <oerheks> fishcooker, maybe this page is any help, 3 ways https://askubuntu.com/questions/907972/route-all-traffic-of-a-machine-through-another-within-a-subnet
[20:57] <jost> faLUCE: afaik, mp3splt does not re-encode the mp3s
[20:58] <faLUCE> jost: as said before, mp3splt is a nightmare to install
[20:58] <oerheks> faLUCE, the install part is not our business, you know why (eol)
[20:59] <jost> faLUCE: sorry, wasn't in the channel when you said that
[20:59] <faLUCE> damn: I'm not asking support to install a program. I just asked an ALTERNATIVE
[20:59] <faLUCE> which means: "hey, do you know any other program other than mp3splt" ?
[20:59] <jost> If you have a windows machine/dual boot system, you could use mp3splt-gtk there - works for me without problems
[21:00] <bray90820> I am getting some errors with a few packages was wondering if it was safe to remove them
[21:00] <bray90820> https://pastebin.com/raw/j4M2fL3n
[21:00] <oerheks> There is no alternative needed, it is a good programm and gui
[21:00] <oerheks> bray90820, let me guess, you run debian?
[21:01] <bray90820> Nope
[21:01] <xrandr> faLUCE: google search: alternatives to ....
[21:01] <faLUCE> oerheks: stop saying stupid things.
[21:01] <faLUCE> xrandr: already searched
[21:01] <ducasse> faLUCE: upgrade to 17.04
[21:01] <faLUCE> ducasse: I can't upgrade, for now
[21:01] <bray90820> oerheks: Ubuntu 16.04
[21:01] <oerheks> bray90820, adding a Debian repo.. see the guide you followed howto get the key?
[21:02] <xrandr> faLUCE: the problem with asking if someone knows of a 'good alternative' is that you are asking the opinion of another. What they may deem as a 'good alternative' may seem like a really big steaming pile of poo to you
[21:02] <faLUCE> xrandr: I'm not asking an opinion. I'm just asking a name, because I can't find any other name
[21:02] <akik> fishcooker: iptables also has the "tee" target which you can use to copy packets
[21:02] <bray90820> oerheks: Are they safe to remove?
[21:02] <akik> fishcooker: https://superuser.com/a/853091
[21:03] <oerheks> bray90820, yes, without key you could not install any package
[21:03] <oerheks> remove the *.list in /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[21:03] <bray90820> Well until today I haven't been getting any errors and honestly am not sure why that repo is even installed
[21:04] <oerheks> "Yarn caches every package it downloads so it never needs to download it again"  https://yarnpkg.com/en/
[21:05] <oerheks> oh, that page gives the key solution..
[21:05] <oerheks> curl -sS https://dl.yarnpkg.com/debian/pubkey.gpg | sudo apt-key add -
[21:05] <bray90820> So is it needed in ubuntu?
[21:06] <oerheks> no, it is an user that added this
[21:06] <bray90820> Yeah I just looked into it and now i remember where it came from
[21:06] <bray90820> I can remove ot
[21:06] <bray90820> *it
[21:06] <oerheks> sure
[21:07] <bray90820> oerheks: Thanks
[21:21] <fishcooker> note, thanks. What if the traffic from the host itself, Akik
[21:21] <fishcooker> would it be a loop?
[21:29] <tnafele> hello there.... I need some support with the latest flashplayer plugin (27) on firefox and pulsaudio. i'm using 16.04.
[21:30] <oerheks> oh, for firefox you need the old firefox 52 ESR for flash.
[21:30] <oerheks> flash is dead \0/
[21:31] <tnafele> the problem is that the flashplayer seems to connect directly to alsa... no way to choose a device
[21:31] <xrandr> oerheks: i'm guessing in favor of HTML5
[21:31] <oerheks> https://askubuntu.com/questions/894871/how-to-install-firefox-52-esr-on-16-04
[21:31] <tnafele> html5 works fine
[21:32] <tnafele> is this a firefox issue, not a plugin issue?
[21:32] <oerheks> oh, you want to switch alsa <> pulseaudio ..?
[21:32] <tnafele> it worked fine for months
[21:33] <oerheks> Nope, firefox policy .. flash is dead.
[21:33] <oerheks> not sure how to investigate this, alsa/pulseaudio..
[21:35] <xrandr> There's usually flash preferences somewhere
[21:35] <xrandr> forgot how to access them
[21:35] <xrandr> same area that gives it permission to use the camera and mic
[21:35] <oerheks> there used to be a flash plugin tool..
[21:37] <pjstirling> hi, I'm trying to get ubuntu to work with a really old wireless dongle but I can't figure out how to obtain the firmware it wants, and ofc, I can't connect it directly to the internet...
[21:37] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+package/adobe-flash-properties-gtk
[21:41] <pjstirling> hi, I'm trying to get ubuntu to work with a really old wireless dongle but I can't figure out how to obtain the firmware it wants, and ofc, I can't connect it directly to the internet, syslog says isl3887 usb?
[21:43] <oerheks> pjstirling, what gives lsusb?
[21:45] <tnafele> new try: any chance to make flaspalyer connect to pulseaudio instead of going directly do alsa?
[21:45] <tnafele> flashplayer
[21:46] <kostkon> tnafele, zero chance I guess
[21:46] <oerheks> if it is a prism54, you would need the firmware-nonfree package https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+package/linux-firmware-nonfree
[21:46] <pjstirling> oerheks, unfortunately I'm not at the machine right now, it's a netgear wg111v2
[21:46] <tnafele> kostkon, it worked for quite a while... but stopped recently
[21:47] <oerheks> vendors and brands make several wifi devices with different chipsets, sometimes the same article can have a different chip
[21:47] <kostkon> tnafele, it works through the pulseaudio alsa plugin it has never support pulseaudio
[21:47] <kostkon> supported*
[21:47] <oerheks> that is why the lsusb output is important, the xxxx:yyyy hex code is key
[21:47] <pjstirling> oerheks, yes, that's what the isl3887 comes in
[21:48] <oerheks> oke, then get the firmware package, if you cannot connect wired, use the offline method
[21:48] <oerheks> !offline
[21:48] <tnafele> kostkon, but should it appear in the playback tab of pavucontrol?
[21:48] <pjstirling> oerheks, I'm not sure what package I need
[21:49] <kostkon> tnafele, Yes. you could try reinstalling it. You could also try resetting your pulseaudio config
[21:49] <kostkon> reinstalling flash*
[21:49] <tnafele> does flash have some config files somewhere ?
[21:50] <oerheks> pjstirling, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+package/linux-firmware-nonfree or choose the verion you run on that machine
[21:50] <tnafele> kostkon, actually it's not more than a so file in the plugin folder...
[21:50] <echoSMILE> how do I download a .iso ubuntu file and add it into LXD local repository?
[21:51] <kostkon> tnafele, well, it also creates an .adobe folder in your home
[21:52] <tnafele> kostkon, so erasing this should be the same as reinstalling it? ;)$
[21:52] <kostkon> tnafele, doubt it but it's a start
[21:54] <tnafele> kostkon, it's really strange... it worked fine for a long time. i could see it on the playback tab... so flash takes the default alsa device as output? but this should be routed to pulse...
[21:55] <kostkon> tnafele, yes
[21:55] <oerheks> i remember something, firefox only handles alsa now??
[21:56] <oerheks> no, other way around > http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/03/firefox-52-no-sound-pulseaudio-alsa-linux
[22:06] <hwpplayer1> Hi i need source code of old Ubuntu Software Center
[22:07] <hwpplayer1> What was the package name ?
[22:11] <oerheks> software-center https://launchpad.net/software-center
[22:11] <oerheks> easy to find... so easy, i wonder why you need it if you cannot find such easy info
[22:11] <oerheks> :-D
[22:13] <hwpplayer1> I didn't think maybe related with my concentration level , i use mostly command line to get source codes
[22:19] <cybertek> hello , can anyone help me fix my networking? when I go up and click the arrows on the ubuntu desktop all the network cards are greyed out, I deleted them I was trying to fix it but now I might need to reset or reinstall ubuntu networking to get this mess fixed :/
[22:37] <C_minus> what's the bar at the top of the ubuntu desktop environment called? The one that has the clock and battery level etc. ?
[22:40] <oerheks> Unity Global Menu, AFAIK
[22:42] <KeyboardNotFound> When my computer boots, the Bluetooth is enabled by default. I changed AutoEnable to false in /etc/bluetooth/main.conf but it continues turning on during boot. How to disable it ?
[22:44] <C_minus> oerheks: thanks. how hard is it to add arbitrary stuff to the Global Menu? I'd like a button that displays an on-screen keyboard? That would be really helpful for when I  flip into tablet mode on this 2in1?
[22:45] <C_minus> It's already smart enough to de-activate the actual keyboard when the screen is flipped round, so you don't inadvertently type. Also a button that cycles through 90,180,270 degree rotations would be nice.
[22:48] <oerheks> C_minus, in unity ?
[22:49] <oerheks> easy, system settings, Open Universal Access and select the Typing tab. enable onscreen keyboard and the top panel icon is automaticly placed
[22:49] <oerheks> you can 'X' the keyboard, but that icon stays there
[22:50] <C_minus> oerheks: that's awesome, exactly what i wanted.
[22:50] <oerheks> :-)
[22:50] <oerheks> i was surprised too
[22:51]  * oerheks keeps it running
[22:51] <KeyboardNotFound> When my computer boots, the Bluetooth is enabled by default. I changed AutoEnable to false in /etc/bluetooth/main.conf but it continues turning on during boot. How to disable it ?
[22:51] <C_minus> you don't happen to know of any of secret tricks to rotate the screen?
[22:54] <oerheks> not standard, but there is a solution http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/08/rotate-screen-ubuntu-16-04-indicator-applet
[22:55] <oerheks> or do some scripting https://askubuntu.com/questions/95812/how-can-i-rotate-my-display-in-the-most-easy-way
[23:02] <C_minus> oerheks: just tried out that applet... Unfortunately once the screen is rotated wherever you touch/click responds in its _old_ location before the rotation.
[23:02] <C_minus> Does that make sense, it's sort of hard to explain?
[23:02] <oerheks> oh, it flips back?
[23:03] <C_minus> no it's more like: rotate the screen 90 clockwise. then touching the bottom-right triggers the "about this computer, ubuntu help, shutdown" menu, because that's what occupied that spot before the rotation.
[23:04] <oerheks> oh nasty
[23:04] <oerheks> how about those manual scripts?
[23:04] <C_minus> haven't checked yet..
[23:04] <oerheks> xrandr --output HDMI1 --rotate left etc
[23:06] <oerheks> and note the comment from whitenoisedb: " xrandr -o right "also works
[23:06] <C_minus> oerheks: that would be good but can they be mapped to a buton that sits on the global menu?
[23:06] <C_minus> just need a couple more things to make it minimally tablet-friendly...
[23:07] <C_minus> on my old laptop 4 finger swipe would pull out the launcher bar, but that doesn't seem to work on this one...
[23:07] <oerheks> keyboard mapping.. i 'd like an opinion of an experienced user with this, not sure what keys are handy/available for this
[23:07] <earlybird> I have a problem that on Ubuntu and only on Ubuntu (seen on 14.04 through 17.04) autoconf/automake generates a linker step (normally gcc $object $linker flags) that gets this order exactly wrong (gcc $object $linkerflags) leading to a failing build (undefined references, obviously). Example: https://build.opensuse.org/package/live_build_log/home:stevenpusser:forecast/forecast/xUbuntu_17.04/x86_64. Same
[23:07] <earlybird> configure.ac/Makefile.am works flawlessly on Debian oldoldstable oldstable stable as well as Arch Linux with latest autotools. Question: Where does Ubuntu get this weird quirk, and how do I prevent it?
[23:07] <oerheks> or a button on the global menu , yes
[23:08] <oerheks> C_minus, does that machine has a sensor when it rotates?
[23:08] <oerheks> that would be perfect then
[23:09] <earlybird> ^ of course the wrong case is 'gcc $linkerflags $objects'
[23:09] <C_minus> oerheks: yeah it auto-rotates on Windows 10.
[23:16] <oerheks> on the same page there is an example, scroll down. or this example for xps12 https://linuxappfinder.com/blog/auto_screen_rotation_in_ubuntu
[23:21] <oerheks> C_minus, install dconf editor, and check out com.ubuntu.touch.system orientation-lock 'none'
[23:21] <oerheks> it seems to be build in...
[23:22] <oerheks> https://imgur.com/a/YszeV
[23:23] <oerheks> my discovery in ubuntu takes years, it is *too* much :-D
[23:25] <Bashing-om> oerheks: But the pain ^ is so exquisit :)
[23:27] <oerheks> it gave me grey hair ... no, i am 50 y now :-D
[23:28] <Bashing-om> oerheks: Oh. so you are already distinguished .
[23:29] <oerheks> https://www.dropbox.com/s/e3wr0nahq2ibuvi/DrabberEnIkOpPaard.JPG?dl=0
[23:33] <Arroyo1010> Hi. Does anyone know if the "Cloud Image Build System" for Ubuntu is publicly available? Or at least the scripts/process for it?
[23:33] <Arroyo1010> I'd like to incorporate as much as possible from it to Chef's "bento" project. It's essentially a collection of packer build scripts
[23:34] <Arroyo1010> For example, there is a "Cloud vagrant" image, but it only supports the "Virtualbox" provisioner. Some people like other provisioners, such as vagrant-libvirt
[23:35] <C_minus> I am interested in trying Gnome desktop environment (for better touchscreen support). Am I understanding correctly: it's as simple as `sudo apt-get install ubuntu-gnome-desktop` + logout/login? And then if I don't like it, just `sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop unity` + logout/login ??
[23:37] <nacc> Arroyo1010: probably better asked in #ubuntu-server; much of it is, I think, in livecd-rootfs source package, but not sure
[23:37] <Arroyo1010> much appreciated nacc !
[23:38] <oerheks> C_minus, yes, ubuntu-gnome-desktop, and logout/login as you described
[23:38] <oerheks> or get a fresh iso https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/GetUbuntuGNOME
[23:42] <C_minus> oerheks: and jut to be clear: it won't overwrite anyof my files or
[23:42] <C_minus>  apps, it'll just introduce the new desktop environment
[23:42] <oerheks> no, it can live on top of the other. i would make a dual boot, but that is me.
[23:42] <oerheks> adding is no problem, removing one desktop can be a hassle
[23:43] <oerheks> but this will be fixed when ubuntu finished the transit to snap
[23:43] <oerheks> ( i think)
[23:43] <sirru5h> oerheks, yes removing a desktop can be interesting but during login you always can change which desktop you go into
[23:43] <C_minus> oerheks: oh it's not as trivial as I thought at all...
[23:44] <sirru5h> C_minus, your first idea is what I do I just install the desktop which works for me
[23:45] <sirru5h> Also if you decide to install a ubuntuGNOME like from an ISO you can use your /home directory in multiple OS's  you just have to mount it as /home during the install and do NOT format keep the existing data
[23:46] <sirru5h> me personally I would just sudo apt-get install the desktop myself