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| tgBot10 | <unaj1> hola | 02:00 |
| tgBot10 | PCMRwill0956 was added by: PCMRwill0956 | 02:03 |
| tgBot10 | <PCMRwill0956> Hi! | 02:03 |
| tgBot10 | <PCMRwill0956> I came here looking to get Ubuntu Touch working on my OnePlus 5 | 02:04 |
| tgBot10 | <PCMRwill0956> Sadly, it's only available on the OPO, 2, and X for now. | 02:05 |
| tgBot10 | <PCMRwill0956> 3 too. Forgot about that | 02:05 |
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| tgBot10 | <Ern_st> Welcome @unaj1 & @PCMRwill0956 | 02:20 |
| tgBot10 | <Artem K.> @UniversalSuperBox, P | 02:21 |
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| ubports_bot | Project vivid-rootfs-armhf build #127: SUCCESS in 1 hr 31 min: http://ci.ubports.com/job/vivid-rootfs-armhf/127/ | 05:58 |
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| tgBot10 | <thepeter> @PCMRwill0956, Yes, not yet, lots depens on cooperation with halium project, when that will be worked out porting should go smoother 😇 | 06:18 |
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| tgBot10 | <thepeter> @BronzoKTM, Welcome | 08:26 |
| tgBot10 | <thepeter> @Sal, Welcome | 08:26 |
| tgBot10 | <Jaume81> In Dekko isn't appears the subject o asunto. Appears the e-mail direction but not the subject. | 08:28 |
| tgBot10 | <YougoChats> @DanChapman is working on the notifications to have more functionality. all in good time 😊 | 08:29 |
| tgBot10 | <Jaume81> 👍 | 08:51 |
| tgBot10 | <vanyasem> (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/FtqqDW5R/file_524.jpg | 09:00 |
| tgBot10 | <vanyasem> feels good | 09:00 |
| tgBot10 | <Stereofont> @wayneoutthere, Strong echo on Joe's audio feed | 09:14 |
| tgBot10 | <popeydc> I had real problems installing apps yesterday on my 4.5 | 09:16 |
| tgBot10 | <popeydc> the open store app wouldn't update itself, and i couldn't install tents | 09:16 |
| tgBot10 | <popeydc> i got the button to install/update, and it would show the bouncer while it did it, then went back to the same screen showing an update/install button again | 09:16 |
| tgBot10 | <popeydc> wonder if I'm out of disk space | 09:22 |
| tgBot10 | <popeydc> (probably) | 09:22 |
| tgBot10 | <popeydc> (yes) | 09:23 |
| tgBot10 | <Cesar_Herrera> @popeydc, How much space? | 09:28 |
| tgBot10 | <popeydc> zero, now :) | 09:29 |
| tgBot10 | <Cesar_Herrera> :( | 09:29 |
| tgBot10 | <Flohack> Ubuntu Touch does not clean up the .cache folder. Over time, all phones run ouf of space | 09:35 |
| tgBot10 | <nfsprodriver> We may create an intelligent cleaner in the future. | 09:38 |
| tgBot10 | <nfsprodriver> ... called uClean :P | 09:38 |
| tgBot10 | <rogieroudshoorn> @Flohack, is it possible for us to fix the codebase properly? if so, upstreaming should be possible ... and otherwise it's a temporary halium fork until the mir situation is sorted. Or am i missing something? | 09:39 |
| tgBot10 | <TronFourtyTwo> Or add an option somewhere (settings a where | 10:00 |
| tgBot10 | <Cesar_Herrera> @TronFourtyTwo, +1 | 10:03 |
| tgBot10 | <delijati> is it possible to just install the ubuntu touch qtcreator templates inthe the normal qtcreator ? | 10:05 |
| tgBot10 | <delijati> or at least where can i find them ? | 10:06 |
| tgBot10 | <YougoChats> @Cesar_Herrera, this. i'd also like a handy solution on the desktop for this. i have a separate home partition with .config files for long gone programs from forotten eras, and no sensible way to see which .config file is still relevant or not... | 10:07 |
| tgBot10 | <sverzegnassi> @TronFourtyTwo, Perhaps this should be automatically handled by the click package (un)installer when an app gets removed, as it happens on Android | 10:16 |
| tgBot10 | <TronFourtyTwo> @sverzegnassi, Maybe Canonical considered it a feature, if you reinstall the app you will get back your data too | 10:17 |
| tgBot10 | <delijati> answered my own question https://github.com/nathan-osman/ubuntu-touch-examples :) | 10:23 |
| tgBot10 | <LarreaMikel> @delijati but then you will need the ubuntu.components in the qtcreator | 10:29 |
| tgBot10 | <sverzegnassi> @TronFourtyTwo, The permanent storage for apps is XDG_DATA_HOME (or XDG_CONFIG_HOME), and those data should eventually be preserved. If an app uses the XDG_CACHE_HOME folder for essential/critical data, I would say it is badly designed tbh, and we should impose a proper behavior. I rather think that Canonical never finished or refined the 'click' tool, as they started to work on snap at some point | 10:33 |
| tgBot10 | <popeydc> That's accurate. | 10:34 |
| tgBot10 | <popeydc> Click development was effectively halted when snapd started development | 10:34 |
| tgBot10 | <Flohack> @rogieroudshoorn, Actually we are evaluating which libhybris patches are needed to make it compatible with Mir. But you know, there is a long commit history, so Canonical´s libhybris version has significantly diverged from upstream. But probably we need to do this | 11:23 |
| tgBot10 | <alan_griffiths> @Flohack, I'll see what I can find out. I know there were a couple of Mir EGL related patches, but didn't realise it had "significantly diverged". | 11:40 |
| tgBot10 | <Flohack> @alan_griffiths, Well maybe I am making this too big. But currently we simlply cannot start Mir on top of that, so it must be smth significant | 11:42 |
| tgBot10 | <Flohack> 😆 | 11:42 |
| tgBot10 | <UniversalSuperBox> @Flohack, JBB made a patch for it. No one has tested it. | 11:44 |
| tgBot10 | <Flohack> @UniversalSuperBox, Yes thats what I mean with evaluating 😆 | 11:44 |
| tgBot10 | <UniversalSuperBox> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/rlLuanyY/file_525.patch | 11:45 |
| tgBot10 | <UniversalSuperBox> (Sticker, 390x512) https://irc.ubports.com/jGCJswWW/file_526.webp | 11:45 |
| tgBot10 | <Flohack> loooool | 11:45 |
| tgBot10 | <JBBgameich> I also have the original commit's if you need them (on my github account) | 11:46 |
| tgBot10 | <Flohack> (Sticker, 390x512) https://irc.ubports.com/swtRcIE4/file_527.webp | 11:46 |
| tgBot10 | <JBBgameich> This patch is meaned to to be included into the debian packaging, where commits are not important anyway | 11:47 |
| tgBot10 | <Flohack> lol I am distracted | 11:47 |
| tgBot10 | <UniversalSuperBox> @JBBgameich, I know, I'm just poking fun. :) | 11:47 |
| tgBot10 | <alan_griffiths> OK. Let me know if/when I can help out. | 11:48 |
| tgBot10 | <UniversalSuperBox> Thanks, Alan! | 11:51 |
| tgBot10 | <JBBgameich> @alan_griffiths, I think that the both versions were diverged at 19 commits ... Everything is still easily mergable. The problem is that upstream probably won't merge the mir patches | 11:51 |
| tgBot10 | <JBBgameich> but they could be simply included into the debian packaging | 11:51 |
| tgBot10 | <UniversalSuperBox> It might depend on whether it's Halium or Mer that we consider upstream | 11:52 |
| tgBot10 | <UniversalSuperBox> I suppose that's irrelevant right now | 11:52 |
| tgBot10 | <JBBgameich> github.com/libhybris/libhybris | 11:52 |
| tgBot10 | <UniversalSuperBox> Right, that's Mer's. | 11:52 |
| tgBot10 | <JBBgameich> that's the "upstream" I'm talking of | 11:53 |
| tgBot10 | <JBBgameich> and it's also upstream for the Halium version | 11:53 |
| tgBot10 | <UniversalSuperBox> Yep | 11:53 |
| tgBot10 | <UniversalSuperBox> No, I don't think Mer would accept Mir patches | 11:53 |
| tgBot10 | <UniversalSuperBox> Even though it's only one letter away | 11:53 |
| tgBot10 | <alan_griffiths> It would be good to minimise any differences. It makes sense to keep Mir EGL out of upstream, as the future of that is unclear. But I don't know if any other changes are significant or could be upstreamed. | 11:55 |
| tgBot10 | <Flohack> @UniversalSuperBox what is the current experimental 16.04 on N5 using? | 11:56 |
| tgBot10 | <YougoChats> (Sticker, 390x512) https://irc.ubports.com/l0pyxRHV/file_528.webp | 12:07 |
| tgBot10 | <JBBgameich> I tested building libhybris with the patch, that works fine with mir support | 12:12 |
| tgBot10 | <JBBgameich> I pushed my changes to this git repository in case someone is interested: https://github.com/debian-pm/libhybris-packaging/commits/ubports | 12:18 |
| tgBot10 | <samzn> What happened to the project to translate mir calls to Wayland? | 12:18 |
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| tgBot10 | <UniversalSuperBox> @oliviertripet, Welcome! | 12:40 |
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| tgBot10 | <vanyasem> @Simon Bor, Welcome! | 12:40 |
| tgBot10 | <Simon Bor> Thanks | 12:41 |
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| tgBot10 | <JBBgameich> @JBBgameich, That build configuration should be correct for ubuntu touch, right? … ``` … Configuration Options: … debug build.............: no … trace...................: no … experimental features...: yes … prefix..................: /usr … arch ..................: x86 … headers path ...........: … Android version.........: 7.1.1 … default egl platform ...: mir … default ld_library_path.: /vendor/lib:/sys | 12:48 |
| ubports_bot | Project daily-mako build #114: SUCCESS in 12 min: http://ci.ubports.com/job/daily-mako/114/ | 12:55 |
| tgBot10 | <Josué> does anybody know when the RC version for N5 is going be the new stable? | 12:56 |
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| ubports_bot | Project ota-push build #1015: SUCCESS in 57 sec: http://ci.ubports.com/job/ota-push/1015/ | 12:56 |
| tgBot10 | <Flohack> @JBBgameich, Sounds good | 13:02 |
| tgBot10 | <Flohack> @Josué, Wrong channel, but we had to delay it a bit more. Probably more info tomorrow on the Q&A | 13:02 |
| tgBot10 | <Josué> why is it wrong channel? (genuine question, I'm not trying to be mean or anything) | 13:03 |
| tgBot10 | <Flohack> Haha sorrry my fault ;) | 13:03 |
| tgBot10 | <Flohack> Its the right channel, thought you wrote in Halium | 13:04 |
| tgBot10 | <Flohack> I start to get confused by my hefty list of channels | 13:04 |
| tgBot10 | <Josué> haha, no worries :) | 13:04 |
| tgBot10 | <Flohack> @samzn, Good point. No answer. Put it on the Q&A list ;) if you like | 13:04 |
| tgBot10 | <JBBgameich> @Flohack, I think the libhybris problem could be fixed then. The fixed version just has to be tested on Halium with Ubuntu touch | 13:06 |
| tgBot10 | <JBBgameich> I have a xenial build for armhf (built with the above configuration). If someone wants to test it, I can upload it somewhere | 13:08 |
| tgBot10 | <Flohack> @JBBgameich, cool yes plz | 13:09 |
| tgBot10 | <neothethird> @JBBgameich, ouuuuuuu, maybe we could also get it on the system image server | 13:10 |
| tgBot10 | <neothethird> maybe after the dust around ota 2 has settled | 13:10 |
| tgBot10 | <JBBgameich> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/6AeV0uQ8/file_529.zip | 13:11 |
| tgBot10 | <wayneoutthere> @Stereofont, yeah. that's going in 'what went wrong last week' next week ;) | 13:12 |
| tgBot10 | <JBBgameich> hope that build works :) Please inform me if I made any dumb mistakes 😆 | 13:12 |
| tgBot10 | <wayneoutthere> @UniversalSuperBox, MER!!!! Not MIR???? | 13:13 |
| tgBot10 | <Lorxu> Meh | 13:13 |
| tgBot10 | <wayneoutthere> @Lorxu, ah! MEH, not MIR or MER! Thanks! | 13:14 |
| tgBot10 | <JBBgameich> (Photo, 202x243) https://irc.ubports.com/bZ0sMxdY/file_531.jpg | 13:14 |
| tgBot10 | <PhoenixLandPirate> Hi @wayneoutthere | 13:15 |
| tgBot10 | <neothethird> @wayneoutthere, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mer_(software_distribution) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mir_(software) | 13:26 |
| tgBot10 | <wayneoutthere> @PhoenixLandPirate, howdy. | 13:32 |
| tgBot10 | <wayneoutthere> @neothethird, Yawn! Thank you! I won't read it but thank yoU! | 13:32 |
| tgBot10 | <PhoenixLandPirate> @wayneoutthere, How are you doing? | 13:38 |
| tgBot10 | <h4888> are the easiest devices to port to UT the devices that run pure android? | 13:44 |
| tgBot10 | <UniversalSuperBox> @wayneoutthere, Mer is the software base for Sailfish OS. Its purpose is to separate the Sailfish stuff from anything lower level. Mir is a display protocol, server and client. Its purpose is to draw pretty pictures. | 13:45 |
| tgBot10 | <UniversalSuperBox> @h4888, All devices are similarly difficult | 13:45 |
| tgBot10 | <UniversalSuperBox> But it helps to have an open-source device and kernel tree, and vendor binaries available. | 13:45 |
| tgBot10 | <h4888> I see this: https://www.theverge.com/2017/2/26/14741504/nokia-6-nokia-5-nokia-3-android-phones-mwc-2017 | 13:45 |
| tgBot10 | <h4888> I'm guessing the devices are too "new" though? | 13:46 |
| tgBot10 | <Flohack> @h4888, Well it depends. Too new is not the right category, since if we got a working tree it should not matter. Actually we are trying to catch up to Android 7.1 devices | 13:58 |
| tgBot10 | <h4888> fairphones are not accessible to me, so this seems like the next best option | 13:58 |
| tgBot10 | <matv1> (Sticker, 512x384) https://irc.ubports.com/lZvouhHh/file_532.webp | 14:24 |
| tgBot10 | <enriconia> a few weeks ago you were evaluating cheap devices with good specs as a suitable platform for ubports. Like Zuk Z2 or similar phones. Well, I have another good candidate: Leeco Le Max 2, low price, good specs, availability of custom roms (unfortunately, no SD slot). Also Leeco Le Pro 3. (Leeco is in financial troubles, lately) | 14:24 |
| tgBot10 | <enriconia> snapdragon 820 & 821, respectively | 14:25 |
| tgBot10 | <enriconia> But there are also another couple of 820 based phones that are affordable... | 14:26 |
| tgBot10 | <enriconia> another interesting option could be the next probable bestseller: Xiaomi MI A1, running android one | 14:28 |
| tgBot10 | <enriconia> though the availability of sources is in doubt... | 14:29 |
| tgBot10 | <BronzoKTM> (Sticker, 512x384) https://irc.ubports.com/Befx07S0/file_532.webp | 14:30 |
| tgBot10 | <enriconia> And there is the Xperia Z, with the SailfishOS port (=> mer works for sure). | 14:32 |
| tgBot10 | <Lyokanthrope> @enriconia, the xiaomi redmi note 3 would be an excellent candidate too just because it sold so comically well | 14:36 |
| tgBot10 | <enriconia> let me check the specs :) | 14:38 |
| tgBot10 | <Lyokanthrope> the intl' variant with the snapdragon in particular | 14:38 |
| tgBot10 | <Lyokanthrope> Snapdragon 650 I believe, 3GB of VRAM, 32GB of onboard storage, ran 5.1 out of the box, upgradable to 6.0 officially with excellent custom ROM support besides some firmware hell | 14:39 |
| tgBot10 | <enriconia> interesting | 14:39 |
| tgBot10 | <Lyokanthrope> I had one for a while but ended up selling it and going for a OnePlus 3T | 14:40 |
| tgBot10 | <enriconia> btw, who cares for security and privacy should disable fingerprint sensor... | 14:40 |
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| tgBot10 | <Stereofont> @enriconia, Explain a bit more? | 15:15 |
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| tgBot10 | ray6an1 was added by: ray6an1 | 15:57 |
| tgBot10 | <neothethird> welcome :) | 15:57 |
| tgBot10 | <ray6an1> Thanks | 15:58 |
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| tgBot10 | <enriconia> @Stereofont, Well, forging a fingerprint is top easy... | 16:13 |
| tgBot10 | <enriconia> Too easy | 16:13 |
| tgBot10 | <Flohack> @enriconia, Like your "FaceID" 😆 | 16:13 |
| tgBot10 | <enriconia> Yes... | 16:13 |
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| tgBot10 | <enriconia> A QR code would be, if kept securely, a good alternative | 16:15 |
| tgBot10 | <enriconia> For example, hanging from a necklace | 16:16 |
| tgBot10 | <Stereofont> @enriconia, Ah. You mean direct access. I was thinking local storage, not spoofing | 16:17 |
| tgBot10 | <enriconia> I wonder how something you leave everywhere can be considered a secret key... | 16:18 |
| tgBot10 | <Stereofont> @Flohack, If the masks were made to a visible light specification not surprising they fail an infra-red scan | 16:19 |
| tgBot10 | <wayneoutthere> @UniversalSuperBox, sweet. you saved me trying to learn! | 16:32 |
| tgBot10 | <wayneoutthere> @BronzoKTM, snappy... quick question: is snappy ubuntu going to be possible for Ubuntu Touch again? Or is it possible now? Or is snappy on Ubuntu Touch bye bye sayanara? | 16:34 |
| tgBot10 | <UniversalSuperBox> @wayneoutthere, It's a solid maybe. To all of your questions. | 16:35 |
| tgBot10 | <wayneoutthere> i still feel Snappy is the way to go for this. it makes perfect sense from wha I understand of it. Small chunks of 'what you want' stuck on top of 'what you need' | 16:36 |
| tgBot10 | <wayneoutthere> right? right?????? | 16:36 |
| tgBot10 | <wayneoutthere> hit me with a gif people! | 16:36 |
| tgBot10 | <kz6fittycent> What needs to get snapped for touch? | 16:37 |
| tgBot10 | <wayneoutthere> uh.... i thought you can snap whatever you want on top with snappy. maybe i don't understand fully (I never do) | 16:37 |
| tgBot10 | <kz6fittycent> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/6dwoNDb0/file_533.mp4 | 16:37 |
| tgBot10 | <wayneoutthere> @kz6fittycent, thansk | 16:37 |
| tgBot10 | <kz6fittycent> @wayneoutthere, Well kind of. But my question is what would you guys like to see running on touch that I might be able to snap | 16:38 |
| tgBot10 | <kz6fittycent> I'm learning how so that's why I ask | 16:38 |
| tgBot10 | <LarreaMikel> the apps for example? | 16:39 |
| tgBot10 | <wayneoutthere> @kz6fittycent, good. I'm 110% sure that snappy is a good thing. I just don't fully understand what it is. HA | 16:40 |
| tgBot10 | <wayneoutthere> i thought it would be: … -base stuff (stuff that 100% of people want/need) like calculator, ... and calculator.. and.. ok so just the calculator … and then you 'snap' the rest on top. | 16:41 |
| tgBot10 | <kz6fittycent> Think of it like what Apple does with dmg packages. It's all in there. Everything and it self updates independent of the system. Plus you can run really old deprecated apps that require old libs | 16:41 |
| tgBot10 | <wayneoutthere> yeah this running old stuff is good too | 16:42 |
| tgBot10 | <kz6fittycent> Someone just snapped chromium... They were mentioning it in the Solus group | 16:42 |
| tgBot10 | <LarreaMikel> yep | 16:43 |
| tgBot10 | <kz6fittycent> So chromium on touch... Hmm | 16:43 |
| tgBot10 | <JBBgameich> @kz6fittycent, Isn't that more like AppImage? | 16:43 |
| tgBot10 | <Stereofont> If snappys are semi-autonomous couldn't they be used maliciously? | 16:44 |
| tgBot10 | <kz6fittycent> Umm I guess except that snaps provide a number of security measures that snapd won't let you mess with | 16:44 |
| tgBot10 | <AlexanderPlaza> @Stereofont, That depends? Snaps are by default heavily sandboxed | 16:45 |
| tgBot10 | <kz6fittycent> @AlexanderPlaza, Yes... This | 16:45 |
| tgBot10 | <kz6fittycent> @JBBgameich, Sort of. Snaps can integrate better than appimages though | 16:46 |
| tgBot10 | <AlexanderPlaza> To the point where you require some terminal skills to get it to even talk outside of the sandbox. | 16:46 |
| tgBot10 | <kz6fittycent> @AlexanderPlaza, That also depends on the way the snap was built. It depends on the interfaces that are used. | 16:46 |
| tgBot10 | <AlexanderPlaza> Now if you mean like "eat up battery life" or "try to use up all your data" then perhaps? I haven't had the chance/been able to run Snaps in a tablet/phone | 16:46 |
| tgBot10 | <AlexanderPlaza> @kz6fittycent, That is true. | 16:47 |
| tgBot10 | <kz6fittycent> They can get quite large so space might be an issue for touch but there's a snap for htop... You could run it on touch | 16:48 |
| tgBot10 | <kz6fittycent> I mentioned it because it's small | 16:48 |
| tgBot10 | <AlexanderPlaza> @kz6fittycent, I thought they were going to be shrinking the size due to having a "resource snap" that can be referenced by other snaps? Or is that still not implemented yet? | 16:49 |
| tgBot10 | <kz6fittycent> It's coming | 16:49 |
| tgBot10 | <kz6fittycent> There's a ton of new stuff coming soon | 16:49 |
| tgBot10 | <kz6fittycent> Better theme integration etc | 16:49 |
| tgBot10 | <UniversalSuperBox> The separate core snap would be most interesting to us. | 16:50 |
| tgBot10 | <UniversalSuperBox> Need to see what comes of it | 16:50 |
| tgBot10 | <kz6fittycent> Snaps were designed for server kinds of stuff but... That desktop tho | 16:50 |
| tgBot10 | <DanChapman> Well you already have platform snaps. Like the ubuntu-app-platform which provides all the ubuntu-sdk-libs and other touch related libraries | 16:50 |
| tgBot10 | <kz6fittycent> Yes | 16:50 |
| tgBot10 | <kz6fittycent> So the question is, how does one install a snap on touch? | 16:51 |
| tgBot10 | <kz6fittycent> Sudo snap install Foo? | 16:51 |
| tgBot10 | <DanChapman> in short. you can't 😊 | 16:51 |
| tgBot10 | <AlexanderPlaza> @UniversalSuperBox, Yeah but I don't want to sound glass half empty but I don't want the nightmare of .NET frameworks again... | 16:51 |
| tgBot10 | <kz6fittycent> Same as desktop? | 16:51 |
| tgBot10 | <AlexanderPlaza> @kz6fittycent, Couldn't you do it from the software centre as well? | 16:52 |
| tgBot10 | <DanChapman> you would first need to get snapd running on the touch with required apparmor stuffs | 16:52 |
| tgBot10 | <kz6fittycent> @AlexanderPlaza, Is really not like that | 16:52 |
| tgBot10 | <AlexanderPlaza> @kz6fittycent, Well okay we have one version of Snappy Resources but then eventually we would need a version 2.0, etc.etc. | 16:52 |
| tgBot10 | <kz6fittycent> @AlexanderPlaza, You mean the desktop, yes. But on touch, that'd be nice to do | 16:53 |
| tgBot10 | <kz6fittycent> @AlexanderPlaza, Yes but with snap it's all independent if the core os | 16:53 |
| tgBot10 | <kz6fittycent> I mean there's a snap for docker... Think about that for a minute | 16:54 |
| tgBot10 | <AlexanderPlaza> @kz6fittycent, Is there a snap for docker? Mmm | 16:55 |
| tgBot10 | <kz6fittycent> I'm not a fan of docker because I've seen it break my servers first hand. Snaps don't | 16:55 |
| tgBot10 | <kz6fittycent> @AlexanderPlaza, Yes | 16:55 |
| tgBot10 | <kz6fittycent> (Photo, 1280x1024) https://irc.ubports.com/02tLMTD6/file_535.jpg | 16:56 |
| tgBot10 | <kz6fittycent> (Photo, 1280x1024) https://irc.ubports.com/fU0p1n9w/file_537.jpg | 16:56 |
| tgBot10 | <kz6fittycent> (Photo, 1280x1024) https://irc.ubports.com/tUNgO6np/file_539.jpg | 16:57 |
| tgBot10 | <kz6fittycent> (Photo, 1280x1024) https://irc.ubports.com/ctLzq7V0/file_541.jpg | 16:57 |
| tgBot10 | <kz6fittycent> okay, no more photos but you get the point. It's as easy as that | 16:57 |
| tgBot10 | <AlexanderPlaza> Cool! Currently I love using Snaps for servers however running into the small issue so far of running different snaps (Rocket.Chat/NextCloud) and have them accessible by different domain names. example: rocketchat.domain.com … Nextcloud.domain.net | 16:57 |
| tgBot10 | <AlexanderPlaza> @kz6fittycent, Impressive! The only problem is would it remove the docker container it created/filesystem | 16:58 |
| tgBot10 | <kz6fittycent> yeah, you have to dig into the configs of the snap directory that it created. You can edit conf files in there but beyond that... | 16:58 |
| tgBot10 | <Stereofont> @AlexanderPlaza, A Mothersnap | 16:58 |
| tgBot10 | <kz6fittycent> it's all contained IN the snap directory, once the snap is removed, that's it | 16:58 |
| tgBot10 | <kz6fittycent> if any files remain, sudo rm -rf /foo | 16:58 |
| tgBot10 | <kz6fittycent> the file structure is replicated IN snap's directory to include /bin /etc yada yada | 17:00 |
| tgBot10 | <kz6fittycent> then the snap gets the application to "see" the replicated file as the real thing...et viola | 17:00 |
| tgBot10 | <kz6fittycent> also, depending on the way that the snap was made, the application files can persist OR they can be duplicated in a NEW directory so as to save the last files, safely. THEN you can deduplicate those files once you're confident | 17:02 |
| tgBot10 | <Stereofont> @kz6fittycent, Not exactly a consumer product then | 17:04 |
| tgBot10 | <kz6fittycent> @Stereofont, again, it depends... | 17:04 |
| tgBot10 | <Stereofont> On a UI frontend | 17:04 |
| tgBot10 | <kz6fittycent> most snaps have security in mind but there are some new things coming that I've heard about (don't know for sure) that will make integration much easier for Joe Schmoe | 17:04 |
| tgBot10 | <kz6fittycent> @Stereofont, No, keep in mind, there's a new snap for Chromium...so you get the desktop entry, icon, etc. Just like the real thing | 17:05 |
| tgBot10 | <kz6fittycent> I've built a snap (based on Nextcloud's client snap) that runs just like the real thing. It doesn't respect theming yet, but it will... | 17:05 |
| tgBot10 | <kz6fittycent> I mean, if Ikey from Solus is behind it, and he was dead set against it, that should say a lot. He spoke of his reasons (and they're quite logical) in a recent episode of the Late Nite Linux show | 17:07 |
| tgBot10 | <mymike00> @nfsprodriver, +1 | 17:07 |
| tgBot10 | <Flohack> Please keep in mind that snaps even if they would run in 16.04 flawlessly have no access to content hub and probably other stuff of Touch that are needed to make really useful apps | 17:13 |
| tgBot10 | <Flohack> The next thing is: Old apps are insecure apps. I am really afraid that people will use grandfather snap for 20 years with old OpenSSL libs because the app is supercool but the maintainer gives a crap about updating it | 17:13 |
| tgBot10 | <JBBgameich> @Flohack, Did you already see the zip I sent? | 17:15 |
| tgBot10 | <Flohack> I am therefore not a great fan of snaps, end resource snaps defeat a bit the principle of self-contained stuff. You create some kind of dependency again which might break. Thats the pity with binary libs. And the huge advantage of Android with java, you cannot break Apps that fast | 17:15 |
| tgBot10 | <Flohack> @JBBgameich, Yes but I have neither time nor the setup to test on Halium now ;) will keep it warm | 17:15 |
| tgBot10 | <JBBgameich> ok :) | 17:16 |
| tgBot10 | AlexiPistonrod was added by: AlexiPistonrod | 17:33 |
| tgBot10 | <kz6fittycent> Here's an idea (granted it's probably a bad one) … What if someone built a click app for snapd on Touch? | 17:53 |
| tgBot10 | <kz6fittycent> Correct me if I'm wrong, but snapd isn't running on Touch, right? | 17:53 |
| tgBot10 | <DanChapman> correct | 17:53 |
| tgBot10 | <NikosChat> I think snaps requires systemd when UT uses upstart | 18:00 |
| tgBot10 | <kz6fittycent> ah okay | 18:00 |
| tgBot10 | <kz6fittycent> that'd be a problem | 18:00 |
| tgBot10 | <NikosChat> To me it seems snaps/snappy is a really cool idea but the right implementation needs a lot of work | 18:02 |
| tgBot10 | <AlexiPistonrod> I was just talking about that :) | 18:08 |
| tgBot10 | <AlexiPistonrod> So what would be the hardest part about porting snapd to ubports? | 18:08 |
| tgBot10 | <AlexiPistonrod> I mean if you can get it on a Raspberry pi shoudl not be to ohard to get on Media tek devices should it? | 18:08 |
| tgBot10 | <popescu_sorin> canonical/edge channel on m10 had a sort or working snap | 18:08 |
| tgBot10 | <popescu_sorin> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHE5THEWq7c | 18:08 |
| tgBot10 | <Flohack> @AlexiPistonrod, kernel patches, and interfaces to other apps | 18:08 |
| tgBot10 | <popescu_sorin> i think i managed to install some snaps | 18:09 |
| tgBot10 | <demokrit atomos> but the kernel stuff is mainly Apparmor which should be there since click uses the same mechanisms right? | 18:09 |
| tgBot10 | <popescu_sorin> but only simple cli like hello world worked | 18:09 |
| tgBot10 | <popescu_sorin> Published on Feb 12, 2017 | 18:09 |
| tgBot10 | <popescu_sorin> omg! | 18:09 |
| tgBot10 | <AlexiPistonrod> Well given the kernel needs updating anyway rolling in patches from a newer build should not be a show stopper. And Apparmor is going to be upstreamd to the kernel in 4.19 anyway.. | 18:10 |
| tgBot10 | <JBBgameich> I set up a repository containing the libhybris builds for easier installing and updating … This is the gpgkey: https://packagecloud.io/JBBgameich/ubports/gpgkey | 18:10 |
| tgBot10 | <popescu_sorin> 7 months ago :( | 18:10 |
| tgBot10 | <AlexiPistonrod> https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/admin-guide/LSM/apparmor.html | 18:11 |
| tgBot10 | <demokrit atomos> https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/wiki/Distributions | 18:13 |
| tgBot10 | <TronFourtyTwo> @JBBgameich, 👍 | 18:13 |
| tgBot10 | <JBBgameich> Oh I have to say that the repository is only for Halium 7.1 + UBports 16.04 and maybe the builds are not working meaning it's all experimental :) | 18:15 |
| tgBot10 | <demokrit atomos> @popescu_sorin, was that on BQ M10 or which device? | 18:17 |
| tgBot10 | <popescu_sorin> yes bq m10 fhd | 18:17 |
| tgBot10 | <demokrit atomos> kk, cause IIRC the snaps that ran on BQ M10 only were for arm64 not armhf so it won't run on most other devices -.- | 18:17 |
| tgBot10 | <popescu_sorin> probably, i only tested on m10 :D | 18:18 |
| tgBot10 | <demokrit atomos> haven't got one of those 😞 but thx for the info 👍 | 18:18 |
| tgBot10 | <popescu_sorin> welcome | 18:19 |
| tgBot10 | <demokrit atomos> if we want to switch to snaps one day i think we need to build something like the Ubuntu-App-Platform snap (which replaced the ubuntu-sdk-15.04 framework for 16.04 AFAIK) and than switch all apps to the new framework right? I thought about this since it also would be the way to run the phone apps on any x86 tablet/PC today (since the 15.04 framework is not packaged for 16.04 and i can't find the sources to that...) | 18:23 |
| tgBot10 | <demokrit atomos> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-app-platform | 18:23 |
| tgBot10 | <demokrit atomos> (and if we packaged the 15.04.6 framework as a snap couldn't we just build all clicks as snaps "the same way" so we can experiment with the exact same apps on 16.04 x86 hardware + yunit?) | 18:24 |
| tgBot10 | <demokrit atomos> (sorry for spamming 😜) | 18:24 |
| tgBot10 | <demokrit atomos> disclaimer: i am a noob so stop me if i'm jibbering nonsense 😆 | 18:25 |
| tgBot10 | PacoIgnazioTaiboII was added by: PacoIgnazioTaiboII | 18:40 |
| tgBot10 | <PacoIgnazioTaiboII> Hi guys! | 18:40 |
| tgBot10 | <kz6fittycent> @Flohack, I can see it being useful for very specific areas such as some hardware... Think lightscribe. Manufacturers still sell burners that can do that. | 18:40 |
| tgBot10 | <demokrit atomos> @PacoIgnazioTaiboII, Hi | 18:44 |
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| tgBot10 | <YougoChats> Heh. just rebooted the phone. its called ubuntu touch again? :-P | 18:53 |
| tgBot10 | <wayneoutthere> @Stereofont, this is a cool term. We need a new verb too then when a Mothersnap is installed. Something like 'snap' that's 'fast' but 'bigger'.. and louder... too tired to craft up words. | 18:57 |
| tgBot10 | <Flohack> @YougoChats, yes? 😆 | 18:58 |
| tgBot10 | <Flohack> @YougoChats, Screenshot or it didnt happen | 18:59 |
| tgBot10 | <Stereofont> @wayneoutthere, A Queen snap could found a Hive | 19:00 |
| tgBot10 | <YougoChats> i dont have two devices available right now | 19:00 |
| tgBot10 | <Stereofont> Cellphone lol | 19:00 |
| tgBot10 | <YougoChats> @Stereofont, what? | 19:00 |
| tgBot10 | <Flohack> @wayneoutthere, LOL I can see the next audiocast | 19:01 |
| tgBot10 | <Flohack> THE MOTHER OF ALL SNAPS! | 19:01 |
| tgBot10 | <Stereofont> @YougoChats, Re: Wayne | 19:01 |
| tgBot10 | <wayneoutthere> @Stereofont, nice!! | 19:02 |
| tgBot10 | <wayneoutthere> 'To hive" | 19:02 |
| tgBot10 | <wayneoutthere> I just hived a Mothersnap | 19:02 |
| tgBot10 | <Flohack> leeeel | 19:03 |
| ccat | what happened to #ubuntu-touch ? | 19:24 |
| tgBot10 | <xv8vxp> @NikosChat, SystemD on a GNU/Linux phone? 😱🙊 | 19:25 |
| tgBot10 | <jcjordyn120> @NikosChat, Aw | 19:26 |
| tgBot10 | <xv8vxp> (Photo, 490x503) https://irc.ubports.com/ozrUQ1YZ/file_542.jpg | 19:26 |
| tgBot10 | <YougoChats> between that and the hamster wheel, i finally have a good picture of what my linux pc is like under the hood. | 19:34 |
| tgBot10 | <xv8vxp> @YougoChats, You can use distros that are SystemD-free . | 19:35 |
| tgBot10 | <YougoChats> so i can give myself a hard time? no thanks. i just want to get stuff done most of th etime | 19:36 |
| ccat | what happened to #ubuntu-touch ? | 19:37 |
| tgBot10 | <Flohack> @ccat, Its forwarded into our IRC channel | 19:38 |
| tgBot10 | <wayneoutthere> ok so sorry this is probably way off topic (but not really because I started Snap-Chat above) but here is the question and I don't need hyper details just wayne-style low llevel: … Is Unity... going to happen? … or, do I have to (pretty soon) move over to weirdo-gnome? | 19:45 |
| tgBot10 | <wayneoutthere> I mean unity for like my laptop... | 19:45 |
| tgBot10 | <AlexiPistonrod> @Flohack, Might as well make that a IRC <-> Matix bridge too ;) | 19:46 |
| tgBot10 | gostranger was added by: gostranger | 19:47 |
| tgBot10 | <gostranger> Hi | 19:47 |
| tgBot10 | <Stereofont> @AlexiPistonrod, You came in late to that discussion… | 19:50 |
| tgBot10 | <AlexiPistonrod> Yeah well. better late then never ;) | 19:50 |
| ccat | how do i respond to any of you? your nicks are not listed in users list | 19:52 |
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| tgBot10 | <Flohack> yep | 19:54 |
| tgBot10 | <Flohack> you are on IRC we are on telegram | 19:55 |
| tgBot10 | <Flohack> You cant do this 😆 | 19:55 |
| ccat | well you can still see me, so at least there is that :) | 19:58 |
| ccat | so is this the place to ask about Laptop touchscreens now too? | 20:07 |
| tgBot10 | <Flohack> ^^ | 20:11 |
| tgBot10 | <Flohack> Laptop what? Ubuntu Touch is about a mobile operating system | 20:11 |
| tgBot10 | <Flohack> 😆 | 20:11 |
| tgBot10 | <Flohack> @wayneoutthere, huh tough question. @jsalatas has the details ;) | 20:12 |
| ccat | ohhhhh, well best be going then :) | 20:12 |
| tgBot10 | <Flohack> hehe | 20:13 |
| tgBot10 | <Flohack> come back any time if you dont like Android 😆 | 20:13 |
| ccat | ty, bb! | 20:13 |
| tgBot10 | <DeadSquirreI01> Who hates android?? | 20:13 |
| tgBot10 | <xv8vxp> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/e4KZ0xUV/file_543.mp4 | 20:15 |
| tgBot10 | <vanyasem> i used UBports all day long as a main OS on my Nexus 5 | 20:22 |
| tgBot10 | <vanyasem> notifications center (or whatever it's called) makes me angry and sad | 20:23 |
| tgBot10 | <vanyasem> every small tweak is placed on a separate tab and there are just too many of them | 20:23 |
| tgBot10 | <vanyasem> is there any way to group them in one place? | 20:23 |
| tgBot10 | <thepeter> uff zou guzs have wrote a lot in last 12 hours :) | 20:24 |
| tgBot10 | <xv8vxp> What init system uses Ubports? | 20:25 |
| tgBot10 | <thepeter> @JBBgameich, that looks ... awesome, even thou it is experimental :) | 20:26 |
| tgBot10 | <hwpplayer1> (Sticker, 512x452) https://irc.ubports.com/r4QI1c9A/file_544.webp | 20:30 |
| tgBot10 | <wayneoutthere> @Flohack, kind of... but can't i install ubports on my laptop and then get rid of unity? dang it this stuff is too convoluted and spread out. I guess I have to #audiocast this and then let you all get angry at my errors and then fix it the next week. No problem! Shall do! | 20:37 |
| tgBot10 | <TronFourtyTwo> @vanyasem, Is a design choice, after some time you get used to it and you start to really like it (at least, I do) | 20:39 |
| tgBot10 | <vanyasem> I find it really confusing why should I move to one tab to enable wifi, then scroll all the way to the end to adjust the brightness a little, then get back to bluetooth page and connect to my headphones | 20:40 |
| tgBot10 | <vanyasem> im like wtf | 20:40 |
| tgBot10 | <leon28> Systemd not please 🤢 | 20:40 |
| tgBot10 | <TronFourtyTwo> @vanyasem, When you are pulling down the bar, without release your finger move it to the right/left you can scroll the various indicators easily and fast. When you get practice is pretty fast. | 20:45 |
| tgBot10 | <vanyasem> oh i see, didn't know that | 20:46 |
| tgBot10 | <vanyasem> still, the amount of tabs is crazy | 20:46 |
| tgBot10 | <TronFourtyTwo> At the end anyway is just a personal opinion, I don't think one way is better than another | 20:46 |
| tgBot10 | <vanyasem> im always in pain no matter what i use, just wanted to ask for an opinion :) | 20:47 |
| tgBot10 | <TronFourtyTwo> @vanyasem, Yes, some indicators are pretty empty... | 20:47 |
| tgBot10 | <TronFourtyTwo> @vanyasem, Sure :D | 20:48 |
| tgBot10 | <thepeter> a crazy (probably outdated) idea just came to my head ... have anybody tryied to create image for raspberry pi? | 20:53 |
| tgBot10 | <thepeter> haven§t seen anything in forum besides fact that there is no halium etc neccessary | 20:54 |
| tgBot10 | <JBBgameich> You basically need to install the raspberry pi kernel and firmware package instead of libhybris, but Ubuntu Touch is maybe not compatible with non-libhybris ports currently | 20:59 |
| tgBot10 | <jsalatas> @wayneoutthere, Isn't it already happening? :) | 20:59 |
| tgBot10 | <wayneoutthere> @jsalatas, which part? that was a two part post (lesson learned not to do that) | 21:02 |
| ubports_bot | Project daily-bacon build #270: SUCCESS in 11 min: http://ci.ubports.com/job/daily-bacon/270/ | 21:02 |
| tgBot10 | <jsalatas> @wayneoutthere, The Unity/Yunit part | 21:03 |
| ubports_bot | Project ota-push build #1016: SUCCESS in 1 min 6 sec: http://ci.ubports.com/job/ota-push/1016/ | 21:03 |
| tgBot10 | <thepeter> @JBBgameich, I was affraid that there will be missing unification into low level/drivers expectations | 21:04 |
| tgBot10 | mathhewj was added by: mathhewj | 21:28 |
| tgBot10 | ved pachauri was added by: ved pachauri | 21:29 |
| tgBot10 | <mathhewj> hi guys, I am trying to flash my One+one with ubuntu touch, using windows 10 and CPT 0.5, the flash image installed ok, but with putting the device into recovery mode, and click install ubuntu, CPT states: device in recovery mode: NOT FOUND, any ideas? | 21:30 |
| tgBot10 | <vanyasem> first thought: check if your adb/fastboot drivers are installed and working properly | 21:33 |
| tgBot10 | <mathhewj> oh.. I didn't see that mentioned on the install notes. will try this now. | 21:35 |
| serrrgggeee | hello I have a chuwi hi 10 pro and try to install ubuntu or mint, i've installed ubuntu 17.2 but does't working wifi and touchscreen. | 21:42 |
| serrrgggeee | is it avalable to install successfull | 21:43 |
| tgBot10 | aki237 was added by: aki237 | 22:07 |
| tgBot10 | <aki237> Guys I want to port Ubuntu touch for Zuk Z1 which has board almost equal to OP One | 22:08 |
| tgBot10 | <aki237> Any instructions on how to get started? | 22:08 |
| tgBot10 | <TronFourtyTwo> You should start with porting Halium to it, you can start reading docs.halium.org | 22:16 |
| tgBot10 | fakesnowden was added by: fakesnowden | 22:18 |
| tgBot10 | Rigo was added by: Rigo | 22:23 |
| tgBot10 | <aki237> Halium... What is it? Is it like libc and adaptation layer for the device? | 22:27 |
| tgBot10 | <PacoIgnazioTaiboII> (Sticker, 512x452) https://irc.ubports.com/tgxcTXE5/file_544.webp | 22:34 |
| tgBot10 | <Jaume81> Why snaps or snappys are insecure?? | 22:46 |
| tgBot10 | <Jaume81> I read in blogs or news that are more secure than the app or apk. | 22:47 |
| tgBot10 | <Jaume81> Ubuntu Touch need a reorganation to be more usefull or scopes informatiopn. | 22:51 |
| tgBot10 | <Jaume81> At this moment, Ubuntu touch what use, apps or snaps? | 22:53 |
| tgBot10 | <Flohack> @Jaume81, click apps | 22:56 |
| tgBot10 | <wayneoutthere> did... someone say 'click'? | 23:02 |
| tgBot10 | <wayneoutthere> (Photo, 200x385) https://irc.ubports.com/f7SZxzO9/file_546.jpg | 23:02 |
| tgBot10 | <wayneoutthere> I just hived my laptop with a Mothersnap | 23:03 |
| tgBot10 | <wayneoutthere> (just testing to see how it sounds) | 23:03 |
| tgBot10 | <wayneoutthere> get back to work - all of you | 23:03 |
| tgBot10 | <Stereofont> @Jaume81, I asked a question. I didn't know | 23:20 |
| tgBot10 | <Stereofont> @aki237, When you say 'equal' you mean basically the same phone? | 23:22 |
| tgBot10 | <Jaume81> What are click apps?? | 23:29 |
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