[05:40] <jibel> good morning
[05:40] <didrocks> good morning
[05:52] <jibel> salut didrocks
[05:52] <didrocks> salut jibel, ça va ?
[05:53] <didrocks> tu vas pouvoir tester gdm aujourd'hui ;)
[05:53] <didrocks> en espérant que tous les problèmes venaient de la même cause
[05:53] <didrocks> (mais je pense qu'il y a au moins le bug de selection de session de fallback: tu démarres une session wayland, elle ne marche pas, fallback sur quelle session x? (genre tu as unity, gnome-classic, gnome-xorg et ubuntu-xorg installé)
[05:54] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks
[05:55] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[05:55] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN !
[05:55] <didrocks> joyeux vendredi :)
[05:56] <oSoMoN> déjà vendredi, je ne vois pas les jours passer…
[05:59] <jibel> didrocks, ça va bien et toi?
[05:59] <jibel> bonjour oSoMoN
[05:59] <oSoMoN> salut jibel
[05:59] <didrocks> jibel: tout va bien, le ciel est bleu, soleil, nouveaux wallpapers (euh, pourquoi ce dernier item?)… :-)
[06:00] <oSoMoN> :)
[06:00] <oSoMoN> y a-t-il un fond d’écran avec un ciel bleu? parce qu’ici c’est tout gris…
[06:03] <didrocks> tu as ciel bleu et mer turquoise
[06:03] <didrocks> donc oui, "fixed" ;)
[06:04] <oSoMoN> parfait :)
[06:45] <duflu> salut jibel, didrocks, oSoMoN
[06:51] <duflu> Also just noticed that Gnome's mouse pointer now has subpixel motion precision. I always wondered if that idea would work
[07:06] <jibel> Hello duflu
[07:19] <didrocks> sharp eyes duflu ;)
[07:20] <duflu> didrocks, well, I changed some settings and the mouse cursor has changed back to pixel-aligned *shrug*
[07:21] <didrocks> interesting, did you change to non default settings?
[07:23] <duflu> didrocks, only made the interface font smaller
[07:23] <koza> duflu, and we have new bluez release :)
[07:23] <duflu> Also toggled Ambiance > Adwaita > Ambiance
[07:24] <duflu> koza, yeah I carded it already for 18.04
[07:24] <koza> sweet
[07:53] <RAOF> Hah! Turns out the reason that I wasn't getting a Wayland session was that I'd disabled it in gdm.conf.
[07:58] <didrocks> RAOF: have you disabled it? We only do that in the live session
[07:59] <RAOF> didrocks: Yeah, I disabled it at one point while fiddling with hybrid graphics on this laptop. And then forgot about it :)
[08:00] <didrocks> typical :p
[08:02] <willcooke> morning
[08:03] <Laney> morning!
[08:03] <duflu> Morning willcooke, Laney, alan_g
[08:03] <alan_g> o/
[08:05] <didrocks> hey willcooke, Laney, alan_g
[08:06] <oSoMoN> good morning willcooke
[08:06] <oSoMoN> good morning duflu, Laney, alan_g
[08:06]  * Laney nods to you all
[08:07] <Laney> the nod of Friday
[08:12] <willcooke> Laney, I added the greyscale wallpaper to that bug last night
[08:12] <Laney> sick bruv
[08:12] <willcooke> working on the slideshow now
[08:30] <willcooke> Cassini's last day today
[08:31] <willcooke> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3_byIkXF7Q&feature=youtu.be
[09:09] <andyrock> 💔
[09:56] <c-lobrano> hi Trevinho :) I just saw bug 1704745 is rejected, but I didn't see any comment on the new version of the patch. Also this one was too generic?
[09:56] <c-lobrano> also Hi all!  :)
[09:56] <willcooke> hi c-lobrano!  How goes?
[09:58] <c-lobrano> hi willcooke! so so actually, my back is starting hurting again, winter is coming :(
[09:58] <c-lobrano> how are you?
[09:59] <willcooke> c-lobrano, my back is hurting because I am old.
[10:01] <c-lobrano> willcooke: back pain is really annoying
[10:03] <willcooke> I've been thinking about getting a new chair as well, but they get really expensive
[10:13] <c-lobrano> willcooke: I agree, I've seen ~€200 for a good chair :(
[10:24] <willcooke> slideshow updated: https://code.launchpad.net/~willcooke/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/+merge/330823
[10:34] <Dmitrii-Sh> didrocks: got some new packages last night: https://pastebin.canonical.com/198485/
[10:34] <Dmitrii-Sh> didrocks: and found a button to switch from gnome-classic to ubuntu xorg session
[10:34] <Dmitrii-Sh> ubuntu X session works well
[10:35] <Dmitrii-Sh> haven't tried gnome-classic after an upgrade yet but it's the default session - looking for a way to switch it to ubuntu X now
[10:45] <Dmitrii-Sh> didrocks: so far I can see that display scaling doesn't apply to chromium
[10:45] <Dmitrii-Sh> #Exec=chromium-browser %U
[10:45] <Dmitrii-Sh> Exec=chromium-browser --force-device-scale-factor=2 %U
[10:45] <Dmitrii-Sh> have to do this
[11:00] <Trevinho> c-lobrano: hey I read you wrote it wasn't needed, do I thought you were referring to the MP
[11:20] <c-lobrano> Trevinho: right, but it was my word against the other guy's one :), so I tried to make a patch less generic. If you like, it's in the same branch of the previous one
[11:52] <didrocks> Dmitrii-Sh: well, I guess the test is to have a new install and see which Xorg session you fallback with
[11:52] <didrocks> Dmitrii-Sh: for the other issues, like display scaling on chromium, check with oSoMoN I think
[11:52] <Dmitrii-Sh> didrocks: I can try but not on this system
[11:52] <Dmitrii-Sh> didrocks: this is actually the laptop I do regular work :^D
[11:52] <Dmitrii-Sh> on*
[11:55] <willcooke> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioFUoNlWR1o
[11:55] <willcooke> Cassini just entered the atmosphere!
[11:56] <didrocks> you geek!
[13:18] <pitti> "this video is not available" - damn you, GEMA
[14:40] <jdstrand> willcooke: hey, is there any hope of fixing https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wayland_features#Restarting_gnome-shell in 17.10/18.04?
[14:40] <jdstrand> I'm starting to see these sorts of crashes again with recent updates:       Sep 13 16:32:18 localhost kernel: [204689.822973] gnome-shell[9220]: segfault at 8 ip 00007f62252334ef sp 00007fff72ca3670 error 4 in libmutter-cogl-1.so[7f62251ce000+a6000]
[14:41] <jdstrand> this is with recent artful. of course, it all happens completely randomly, so can't really file a bug. when it happens, I lose all state cause of the wiki item I pasted
[14:42]  * jdstrand knows you are aware of the wiki item, just saying, I find this hugely annoying and am very worried about the Ubuntu desktop
[14:43] <jdstrand> the gnome-shell model is far too brittle...
[14:43] <didrocks> jdstrand: seems upstream is telling it's not really possible without a large rewrite: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1367666
[14:43] <didrocks> (see comment 4)
[14:45] <jdstrand> man
[14:45] <didrocks> (look at the rest of the discussion as well)
[14:46] <jdstrand> I was pulling my hair out for a long time with mutter and gjs crashes in zesty, then there was an update and things were ok (I used no extensions). now I'm using the ubuntu desktop (and really like it), but instability is back (I'm not blaming ubuntu extensions, its just I don't want to go back to pure gnome-shell)
[14:46] <jdstrand> I lost a ton of desktop state three times yesterday
[14:47] <didrocks> waow, so, it's not even "G-S running for a long time"
[14:47] <jdstrand> I may have to move to another DE to get work done :\ :(
[14:47] <kenvandine> happened to me yesterday while just typing in vim :/
[14:47] <didrocks> I guess file the crash with stacktrace and we can only fix as many of them as possible :/
[14:47] <jdstrand> I launched virt-viewer and it happened
[14:47] <jdstrand> of course, when I logged back in, virt-viewer was fine
[14:47] <didrocks> or go to the Xorg session rather than switching to another session
[14:47] <kenvandine> i never get  a crash file for it
[14:47] <didrocks> DE*
[14:49] <jdstrand> fwiw, all the talk about Xwayland instability-- I've not seen an xwayland crash afaict, it's all mutter and gjs historically
[14:49] <jdstrand> (maybe xwayland is triggering those, idk)
[14:49] <didrocks> yeah, keep in mind that those comments are a year old
[14:49] <didrocks> so maybe xwayland got better, just other crashes…
[14:50] <jdstrand> yeah
[14:50] <didrocks> (btw, there is a new mutter / G-S with 3.26)
[14:50] <jdstrand> that's the one I'm on
[14:50] <didrocks> G-S didn't change much, mutter did some fixes
[14:50] <didrocks> ok
[14:50] <jdstrand> 3.24 was fine
[14:50] <didrocks> got a crash with it?
[14:50] <didrocks> yeah, I was surprised on jbicha updated to 3.25.91 the amount of crashes we got
[14:50] <didrocks> when*
[14:51] <didrocks> (compared to 3.24)
[14:51] <jdstrand> I see a gnome-shell crash from yesterday, yes
[14:51] <jdstrand> in /var/crash
[14:51] <didrocks> you were already running 3.26? I did update them today
[14:52] <jdstrand> oh, I don't have those, no
[14:52] <didrocks> (mutter/G-S/g-s-e)
[14:52] <didrocks> ah
[14:52] <didrocks> well, I guess if you can retrace manually the one from yesterday
[14:52] <jdstrand> I checked the gjs 1.50 changelog and it didn't have any crash fixers
[14:52] <didrocks> we can at least look if the code changed
[14:52] <jdstrand> s/changelog/debdiff in LP/
[14:53] <jdstrand> let me upgrade and see what happens
[14:53] <didrocks> ok :)
[14:53] <didrocks> I didn't get many random crashes (only once), I was able to get many crash easily with user changes, but those are now fixed
[14:53] <didrocks> (and that was 3.25.91)
[14:54] <jdstrand> didrocks: btw, is apport/whoopsie working right these days? istr seeing something re systemd-coredump is preferred, but installing it breaks apport/whoopsie
[14:54]  * jdstrand doens't have it installed at present
[14:55] <didrocks> jdstrand: I *think* seb fixed update-notifier to launch apport on wayland
[14:55] <didrocks> jdstrand: but you will have to manually retrace anyway, as you don't have latest version…
[15:14]  * jdstrand is in updated gnome-shell/mutter/etc
[15:14]  * jdstrand crosses fingers
[15:39] <jackpot51> What happened to gst_install_plugins_async, the Totem automated plugin installer?
[15:43] <jackpot51> Found it in sessioninstaller
[15:45] <Laney> we're using the implementation from packagekit with gnome-software now, not sessioninstaller
[15:55] <jackpot51> Yeah, I know. gstreamer1.0-packagekit
[15:56] <jackpot51> But Pop is using AppCenter, not GNOME Software
[15:57] <Laney> Sure.
[15:57] <jbicha> …but AppCenter is not in either Debian or Ubuntu and is mostly targetted at 16.04 LTS right now right?
[15:58] <Laney> So you can do what Software does and implement the PackageKit session interface to handle codec installation in there.
[15:58] <Laney> Or keep using sessioninstaller.
[15:59] <jackpot51> jbicha: We have worked with elementary OS to have a 17.10 release
[16:00] <jackpot51> All modified or outside-of-ubuntu packages can be seen here: https://launchpad.net/~system76/+archive/ubuntu/pop
[16:00] <jackpot51> Best to filter by Artful: https://launchpad.net/~system76/+archive/ubuntu/pop/+packages?field.name_filter=&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=artful
[16:16]  * oSoMoN kicks off a LO snap build and signs off
[16:16] <oSoMoN> have a good week-end everyone!
[16:32] <jackpot51> Are you guys aware of HiDPI bugs in 17.10 GNOME ?
[17:30] <jackpot51> Laney tsimonq2 jbicha: If Laney, a member of the Release team approves of this patch being merged: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/accountsservice/+bug/1699216 , could tsimonq2 review it?
[17:42] <kenvandine> woot... i'm running a gnome 3.26 app snap on 16.04 :)
[17:44] <chrisccoulson> yay
[19:10] <tsimonq2> jackpot51: Yep, just need a release team ack
[19:12] <tsimonq2> jackpot51: Note, I'm just a MOTU, so while I will be happy to review, I can't upload myself (Core Developers or a member of the Desktop Team can, or I know a few who can upload for me)
[19:14] <tsimonq2> (I can upload to Universe and upload new packages though)
[19:46] <jackpot51> Ah, I see tsimonq2
[20:38] <jbicha> tkamppeter_: thanks for responding. Is it ok to drop system-config-printer-gnome from the default install too?
[20:58] <Dmitrii-Sh> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock/+bug/1717599