[04:44] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:28] <EriC^^> morning lotuspsychje
[05:28] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^
[05:28] <EriC^^> how are you?
[05:28] <lotuspsychje> great here
[05:29] <EriC^^> cool
[06:07] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:10] <ducasse> good morning
[06:16] <lordievader> Hey ducasse, how are you doing?
[06:16] <ducasse> morning lordievader, still waking up here. how about you?
[06:17] <lordievader> I got coffee ;)
[06:17]  * lordievader slides ducasse  a coffee
[06:18] <ducasse> thanks :)
[06:19] <ducasse> no thunderstorm today either, it seems - forecasts have proven totally unreliable lately
[06:21] <lordievader> That is good :)
[06:21] <lordievader> The no thunderstorms I mean. Not the unreliable forecast.
[06:24] <ducasse> yup. got surge protector, but... i still sort of like thunderstorms, though :)
[06:40] <lotuspsychje> morning guys
[06:40] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: check this: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/09/kde-plasma-mobile-coming-purism-librem-5
[06:43] <lotuspsychje> https://puri.sm/shop/librem-5/
[06:43] <ducasse> on $290000 now, with one more month to reach $1.5 mill - i doubt this will happen.
[06:43] <lotuspsychje> 21%
[06:46] <ducasse> i suspect most of the backing happens early
[06:46] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[06:46] <lotuspsychje> but its good that this project exists
[06:46] <ducasse> absolutely, i'd love a fully open linux-based phone
[06:47] <lotuspsychje> with a with full access
[06:47] <lotuspsychje> terminal
[06:47] <lotuspsychje> would be awesome
[06:48] <lordievader> Rooting an Android phone also gives you full access with a terminal.
[06:48] <lordievader> Termux is quite nice for that.
[06:48] <lotuspsychje> yeah but i dont like android
[06:48] <ducasse> yes, but rooting certain phones can be a hassle
[06:51] <lordievader> For my Nexus 5x it was rather simple.
[06:51] <lotuspsychje> hmm whats this https://postmarketos.org/
[06:51] <ducasse> it can be, but it varies
[06:51] <lordievader> The only 'problem' was unlocking the bootloader wiping the phone. The advice of the internet for this phone, unlock the bootloader when you get it.
[06:57] <ducasse> i have a phone here, sony totally refuses to give me the code to unlock it.
[07:03] <lordievader> Bastards -.-
[07:04] <ducasse> yep. i have a strong hunch that's illegal here, but haven't really looked into it.
[07:05] <immu> hi amigos
[07:05] <ducasse> signed bootloaders = work of the devil
[07:05] <lotuspsychje> and preinstalled OS when buy too
[07:06] <lotuspsychje> freedom of choice, zero
[07:06] <lotuspsychje> when schools start in september, theres a new iphone..
[07:07] <lotuspsychje> how convinient
[07:07] <lotuspsychje> hi davidcalle
[07:07] <lotuspsychje> hi immu
[07:07] <davidcalle> o/
[10:11] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[10:12] <brunch> Good morning, BluesKaj
[10:12] <BluesKaj> 'Morning brunch
[10:16] <BluesKaj> or should i say 'Afternoon brunch :-)
[16:48] <immu> EriC^^, ducasse lordievader BluesKaj hi & did i miss someone?
[16:48] <EriC^^> hey immu
[16:48] <immu> hi EriC^^
[16:49] <EriC^^> how's it going?
[17:02] <immu> cool eric
[17:02] <immu> hows it in lebanon?
[17:18] <immu> how many are running Ubuntu daily builds?
[17:29] <lotuspsychje> good evening guys
[17:31] <lotuspsychje> lets c whats new in ubuntu land
[17:32] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/canonical-and-nec-will-work-on-new-digital-signage-solution-based-on-ubuntu-core-517740.shtml
[18:02] <immu> coool
[18:12] <immu> where do i talk about ubuntu daily builds for issues?
[18:12] <lotuspsychje> immu: 17.10?
[18:13] <ducasse> !artful
[18:13] <lotuspsychje> found a bug immu ?
[18:17] <immu> yup
[18:17] <immu> not sure but i get this message in software center that search took a long time
[18:17] <lotuspsychje> share url in other channel plz
[18:18] <immu> timeout was reached as snap took too long to return results
[18:19] <immu> https://imgur.com/a/KC8mP
[18:20] <lotuspsychje> immu: ducasse showed you wich channel artful belongs
[18:20] <lotuspsychje> not in #ubuntu plz
[18:20] <immu> sure didn't see that
[18:21] <immu> lotuspsychje, can some one sanitize ;)
[18:21] <immu> brb i am going to listen to latest ubuntupod casts :)
[18:22] <immu> http://ubuntupodcast.org/ i hope posting this here is not blasphemous :)
[18:22] <immu> tnx folks
[18:24] <immu> so what else ?
[18:27] <ducasse> what else what?
[18:28] <EriC^^> anyone good with routers here?
[18:29] <daftykins> what's up? :)
[18:29] <lotuspsychje> whats going on EriC^^
[18:29] <daftykins> also hey all :>
[18:29] <EriC^^> i have an issue with my router, it was working fine all day then it drops the connection on the wifi, if i run ping 192.168.2.1 in the terminal it gives "ping 192.168.2.237 host not reachable, then later it works
[18:29] <EriC^^> hey daftykins
[18:29] <daftykins> ah yeah response from 2.237 so that'd be your machines IP
[18:30] <EriC^^> yeah it is
[18:30] <daftykins> is the router on the newest firmware?
[18:30] <lotuspsychje> hey daftykins :p
[18:30] <EriC^^> not sure i didnt connect to it or anything
[18:30] <EriC^^> the isp just installed it 2 days ago, it was working ok til tonight
[18:30] <lotuspsychje> so nice to see you
[18:30] <EriC^^> it's a technicolor
[18:31] <daftykins> ah ISP supplied will be locked to itself then
[18:31] <daftykins> no firmware updates typically, that's the brand mine puts out too
[18:31] <ikonia> daftykins: where have you been ?
[18:31] <EriC^^> oh
[18:31] <daftykins> ikonia: eh? i'm always here
[18:31] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: is still banned in main, remove his ban?
[18:32] <ikonia> oh,
[18:32] <daftykins> haha nah you don't have to do that, all is well as-is
[18:32] <ikonia> explains why I've not seen him active
[18:33] <daftykins> i'd like to imagine the resolved-issues percentage took a hit, but then so did the users confirmed as idiots :)
[18:33] <lotuspsychje> lol
[18:33] <daftykins> EriC^^: i can only imagine checking there's no WPA1+2 mixed mode on, (have WPA2 with AES only) and have a different SSID for 2.4 and 5GHz if the router is dual-band
[18:34] <EriC^^> daftykins: could working on the channel as other routers affect it?
[18:34] <daftykins> yeah but only really speeds, nothing near drops of that severity
[18:35] <EriC^^> i see 2 other ssid that have the same channel
[18:35] <EriC^^> oh
[18:35] <daftykins> most are configured 'auto' these days and just pick channels that don't conflict
[18:35] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: did you try a good ol router reset too?
[18:35] <EriC^^> daftykins: it does have WPA1 WPA2 for the security
[18:35] <EriC^^> Blink163507     Infra  11    54 Mbit/s  45      ▂▄__  WPA1 WPA2
[18:36] <daftykins> mmm so mixed mode, better if it were forced on WPA2 with AES only
[18:36] <EriC^^> oh god, 2 of my neighbors have WEP xD
[18:36] <lotuspsychje> lol
[18:37] <EriC^^> i'll give it a go tomorrow, i've never hooked up a pc to a router
[18:37] <daftykins> they must still be rocking the ol' Nintendo DSs ;)
[18:37] <EriC^^> so kind of excited :D
[18:37] <daftykins> ikonia: thanks for noticing though, btw :)
[18:37] <ikonia> not a problem,
[18:39] <lotuspsychje> bbl
[18:45] <daftykins> i set up Nextcloud on my VM here today, after an update to 16.04 from 14.04 to make life easier :)
[18:45] <daftykins> quite neat to have LAN-speed transfers onto a 'cloud backup' now and have it accessible when i'm out and about on laptop or phone
[18:55] <pauljw> Hi everyone
[19:09] <EriC^^> hi pauljw :)
[19:10] <pauljw> hey EriC^^ :)
[19:17] <ccat> ok -- thanks all.  Will still try #ubuntu-discuss though, since issue is both about linux in general and ubuntu in specific
[19:18] <ccat> oops!
[19:18] <ccat> q: this is to refute vendor claims that a stable linux install is too hard to achieve...
[19:20] <ccat> -- need documented reliability on general success rate for stable ubuntu installs
[19:22] <ccat> -- maybe like: picking N pc-models of various kinds (desk, lap, etc) at random from various mfg, where is documentation showing %-probability ubuntu will run stable with pc-hw ~90% supported?
[19:22] <oerheks> oh no, not that FUD again..
[19:22] <oerheks> answer: 0 > nosuch manual exist
[19:23] <ccat> oerheks: now.. i AM in right chan...
[19:23] <ccat> oerheks: what do you mean "manual" ?
[19:24] <oerheks>  "where is documentation showing %-probability ubuntu will run stable" ... show us 1 example please?
[19:24] <oerheks> "vendor claims" ... change vendor :-D
[19:25] <daftykins> ccat: when you say refute vendor claims, why are you taking on this query and for what benefit?
[19:25] <oerheks> if you *dont* believe it, see https://certification.ubuntu.com/  lots of hardware that works fine
[19:27] <ccat> daftykins: have repeatedly tried to order certain spec and been denied despite "numerous" vendor claims of offering customized systems
[19:27] <daftykins> ccat: such as what, from who?
[19:28] <daftykins> surely in most cases you just order a Windows based machine and then you wipe it with what you want
[19:28] <ccat> oerheks: y, saw that, but that is to help spec a given system, not why such system was not included in that list
[19:29] <daftykins> are you saying you want to see a lit of components that don't work well? o0
[19:29] <oerheks> are you drunk or something? this makes no sense..
[19:29] <daftykins> yeah i'm having issues with this use of English too
[19:29] <ccat> daftykins: large vendor, so such claims should especially matter legally
[19:30] <daftykins> ccat: you're not answering my questions. who? what did you ask for? what was refused? no answer, no more replies
[19:30] <ccat> daftykins: sorry, hard to keep up :)  -- still reading above
[19:31] <daftykins> oh dear you're on webchat, explains all
[19:32] <ccat> daftykins: well it IS a bit hard to follow with no per-nick hilited lines --- but keep forgetting about kiwi (iirc)
[19:32] <ccat> daftykins: plus eyes are blurry
[19:32] <daftykins> yeah still no responses, goodbye
[19:33] <ccat> daftykins: please be patient -- said i was reading
[19:34] <ccat> daftykins: best not disclose mfg right now -- but just want certain spec (i.e custom) linux laptop
[19:35] <ccat> daftykins: basically (large vendor) 17in touchscreen linux laptop and 24.7 sw/hw support
[19:35] <ccat> oerheks: what have i said that makes no sense?
[19:36] <ccat> daftykins: oh, wiping os means no tech-support
[19:37] <daftykins> there aren't even many manufacturers who sell Linux machines to worry about the support angle, but really it's puzzling what the purpose is you have in coming here with this query
[19:42] <ccat> daftykins: because if mfg claims it was just too hard to get ubuntu to work on certain laptops (or desktops) then i can give the doc that shows that was not likely the reason
[19:43] <ccat> -- and what better place to get ubuntu-install success-rate info but #ubuntu
[19:44] <daftykins> sounds a lot like you want someone to go to a lot of work so you can buy some specific machine and not just accept the models offered
[19:45] <daftykins> it's pretty common knowledge it's a pain to get builds where everything works 100% out of the box
[19:47] <ccat> daftykins: #1. not supposed to be a lot (ok a LOT then) of work for ubuntu install is it? - especially for professional installers, #2 when you claim custom systems, it should mean something
[19:48] <ccat> daftykins: oh, #3 -  would accept touchscreen NOT working with ubuntu, so long as it did work (eg, with windows)
[19:53] <ccat> daftykins: sorry, seemed like such a simple issue to ask about
[19:54] <daftykins> there is no issue i see
[19:54] <ccat> daftykins: they are big, they claim to customize, they will not == issue
[19:55] <daftykins> and still you haven't named a single brand.
[19:55] <immu> ducasse, what else?
[19:55] <ccat> daftykins: that would not be prudent atm i think
[19:56] <daftykins> then you have no point to make
[19:56] <daftykins> bye
[19:56] <ccat> daftykins: unless you have the same issue -- but it seems by your responses you would not
[19:57] <immu> does anyone has NAS setup with ubuntu
[19:57] <ccat> daftykins: y, and i made it already
[20:04] <daftykins> yeah i run a file server for a client with ubuntu server
[20:05] <immu> can we run plex on it to store and stream media around the home
[20:06] <daftykins> yep but plex is only necessary when you have a player device that requires transcoding, otherwise just NFS/samba shares and Kodi is fine
[20:21] <immu> i run plex on my latop and stream it from xbox plex app
[20:22] <daftykins> ah yeah, so you have to stick to Plex to make use of the xbox, mmm
[20:22] <daftykins> come to think of it there's talk that Kodi is coming to the xbox one eventually
[20:22] <immu> xbox360
[20:22] <immu> heard a lot about kodi
[20:24] <daftykins> ah my 360 is retired now
[20:24] <immu> i use to flung my video to google chrome cast
[20:24] <immu> but my kids killed my google chrome
[20:24] <immu> my bending the hdmi connector
[20:24] <immu> errrr
[20:24] <daftykins> ah yeah, i'm thinking a chromecast is the best choice for a client i'm going to tomorrow
[20:24] <daftykins> ah nasty, kids ruin all :P
[20:24] <immu> get the latest one preferably the 4k version
[20:25] <daftykins> i'll see if it fits for them first, they said they didn't want to use laptops they already own as they're too slow, but i might be able to do something about that :D i'm popping over to fit an SSD in their desktop PC
[20:27] <immu> will that work SSD?
[20:29] <daftykins> it'll work in their desktop sure :D
[20:29] <daftykins> i wouldn't use a PC without an SSD now
[20:31] <immu> don't SSD burn out quick?
[20:31] <Bashing-om> daftykins: Too slow, my go-to recommendation for my people is /X/U buntu . ( better more ram !)
[20:31] <immu> hey Bashing-om
[20:32] <Bashing-om> immu: SSD Technology has gotten to the point that the SSDD will pitlove a traditional spinning drive .
[20:32] <Bashing-om> outlive*
[20:33] <immu> okie
[20:34] <daftykins> immu: nah i've still got my first one going fine
[20:34] <immu> samsung has released a good speedy one and cheaper also
[20:34] <daftykins> that said, i avoid ones using TLC NAND memory which is inferior, life span wise
[20:41] <immu> okie
[20:54] <immu> do snaps work in 17.10 daily builds
[21:06] <immu> good nite all
[21:54] <Bashing-om> Gonna go have the lawn mower beat up on me . Back soonest .
[23:56] <Bashing-om> OK. mower done enough damage for one session .