[00:20] <xrandr> and back
[00:30] <Sirru5h> Hey C_minus how did putting a new desktop onto ubuntu work out?
[02:37] <SoSleepy> Hellooo
[02:43] <ri6r> Go to bed.
[02:59] <ExpertNoob> i'm using ubuntu 16.04.3, i have some icons stuck into my unity louncher, i have uninstalled the app but still it's two icons are there, how do i get rid of them?
[03:03] <ri6r> right click remove?
[03:04] <ri6r> or...
[03:05] <ri6r> maybe .local/share/applications/ and remove the application
[03:05] <ri6r> good ol rm
[03:07] <ExpertNoob> ri6r application is uninstalled already
[03:08] <ExpertNoob> only icons are stuck in unity louncher
[03:11] <ExpertNoob> ri6r, i installed flatpak and then installed linphone from flatpak, then i ran linphone and added it into favorates, as soon as i added that in favorates it created another icon in unity louncher for linphone, and after i rebooted it was not in favorates anymore and i added it again, so it created another (3rd) icon of linphone in louncher, after realizing that behaviour i uninstalled linphone from flatpak, but only one icon was 
[03:12] <ExpertNoob> now i have two icons of linphone and there is no actual linphone
[03:14] <ExpertNoob> i even tried to uninstall flatpak, and rebooted, and also tried unity --reset and unity --reset-icons and rebooted, but they are stuck there
[03:22] <ri6r> ExpertNoob: did you check that directory for duplicates of the icon name?
[03:26] <ExpertNoob> ri6r, i don't see that .local folder
[03:26] <ExpertNoob> i see bin, boot, cdrom, dev, etc, home, lib ...
[03:27] <ri6r> ah, cd /home/username
[03:27] <ri6r> then ls -la
[03:28] <ri6r> it should be a hidden directory in your /home/username dir.
[03:29] <ExpertNoob> ri6r, haha ok i did that, there was one file linphone. now i still see two icons in louncher, but now one of them got bigger
[03:37] <iamkiran> Apache failed to restart automatically on restart. Here is the systemctl status: https://pastebin.com/E6htAji1
[03:37] <iamkiran> What can be the solution?
[03:46] <buggaboosanchez> I'm trying to install the most recent version of eclipse (just got done downloading) from this reference: http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2016/01/how-to-install-the-latest-eclipse-in-ubuntu-16-04-15-10/  <--  But there is no "eclipse-inst" (step 3) that I can find in my decompressed directory.
[03:46] <buggaboosanchez> Did something change? If so, then how can I install it without instruction?
[03:47] <buggaboosanchez> I'm sorry I'll have to do this later - the place I'm at is closing like right now and I have to leave here
[03:47] <buggaboosanchez> sorry
[03:53] <iamkiran> Apache failed to restart automatically on restart. Here is the systemctl status: https://pastebin.com/E6htAji1
[03:55] <blkadder> Something is already bound to the port
[04:12] <agentsmit> Hi How can i set up Graphical Auth using LDAP Client for Remote Home Directories
[04:13] <agentsmit> Hello Anybody ?/
[04:56] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:53] <sonu_nk> hi i am using ubuntu 16 and https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/25538606/ here is the issue
[05:53] <sonu_nk> dpkg: error processing package gnome-software (--configure):
[05:53] <sonu_nk> i am not getting how to resolve this
[05:54] <Ben64> ubuntu 16 what
[05:55] <ubernets> I have a Ubuntu 16.04 server, df -Th / shows 1.6 GB available space, there is only one partition in /etc/fstab . However I keep running into disk full errors from various programs. apt-get upgrade, apt-get autoremove, apt-get install, apt-get -f install show disk full and sometimes resulting dependency error. git pull also shows a disk full error message. Any idea what could be causing these errors even though the disk has 1.6
[05:55] <ubernets> GB free space. I have rebooted the server twice already, still the same issues.
[05:55] <sonu_nk> ubuntu 16.04 LTS Ben64
[05:56] <sonu_nk> ubernets, join #ubuntu-server
[05:56] <ubernets> ok
[05:56] <Ben64> ubernets: pastebin the output of 'df -h'
[05:57] <ubernets> /dev/xvda1     ext4  7.8G  6.0G  1.5G  81% /
[05:57] <Ben64> that's not a pastebin
[05:58] <Ben64> pastebin the whole command and output
[05:58] <ubernets> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25538619/
[06:00] <Ben64> ubernets: ok, and do an apt thing to get the error to show up
[06:02] <ubernets> THis was the last apt-get upgrade http://paste.ubuntu.com/25538626/
[06:03] <Ben64> weird, i'd have to blame the host
[06:04] <ubernets> It's an amazon ec2 instance
[06:04] <ubernets> How could it be their fault?
[06:04] <Ben64> because it's not letting you write at times
[06:05] <sonu_nk> Ben64, what i need to do to get this isues "dpkg: error processing package gnome-software (--configure) "  https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/25538606/
[06:06] <Ben64> sonu_nk: not enough information, pastebin 'apt update && apt full-upgrade'
[06:10] <sonu_nk> Ben64, https://paste.ubuntu.com/25538653/
[07:24] <NeoJaxx> Good morning from  the UK guys!
[07:32] <Valen> ubernets: reserved space for root perhaps is what you are seeing
[07:32] <Valen> oh, no that's not it
[07:33] <Valen> but check the inode count that can fill up first on small systems
[07:33] <Valen> paticularly with stuff like maildirs and what have you
[07:33] <Valen> and it manifests as disk full even though there is space
[07:34] <Valen> df -i
[07:54] <ghost2911> Hi. Can I use cyrillic characters for linux user account password ?
[07:55] <jink> Did you try? :)  (I haven't a clue, tbh)
[07:58] <ghost2911> actually I didn't, the question is only english allowed or not ?
[08:05] <ghost2911> according to this looks like it's not possible https://help.ubuntu.com/community/StrongPasswords
[08:13] <ducasse> ghost2911: afaik it's not possible, no
[08:16] <zzarr> hello!
[08:16] <gt8ost4l>  does anybody know the ppa of psesor?
[08:17] <gt8ost4l> psensor
[08:17] <ducasse> gt8ost4l: search launchpad
[08:17] <zzarr> I have a firmware (.fw file) for the touch screen on my tablet, but I don't know what I should name it or put it for it to be used
[08:18] <ducasse> zzarr: try putting it in /lib/firmware
[08:19] <zzarr> I have put it there, I tried with /lib/firmware/<vendor>/<model>.fw
[08:20] <zzarr> in other words /lib/firmware/chuwi/gsl1680.fw
[08:20] <bazrush> i've got a box here which when it boots sets the graphics card to out of range.  grub is fine, it's what happens next that's the problem.  i've set it to multi-usr.target which i thought would fix it but it's still doing something to the graphics card on boot that brweaks it ... how do i force it to play safe, i don't really need anything more than a text console!
[08:21] <bazrush> sorry, 'multi-user.target', let me spell that right :)
[08:26] <Not_White_Rabbit> Lubuntu 16.04 xenial, firefox 55 from repo. F12 does not open the developer tools as it did with firefox 45. Is this normal? when did firefox remove the developer tools?
[08:28] <brainwash> works for me
[08:29] <brainwash> try with firefox -safe-mode
[08:30] <Not_White_Rabbit> brainwash: it works :)
[08:30] <fishcooker> why not try the nightly  Not_White_Rabbit
[08:31] <Not_White_Rabbit> fishcooker: I'm not really interested in bleeding edge. I was trying to investigate why firefox was acting strange on a specific website.
[08:31] <brainwash> so, some addon or a changed setting (about:config) is the culprit
[08:32] <fishcooker> the nightly did some improvement more responsive
[08:32] <fishcooker> btw i've download http://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04/ubuntu-16.04.3-server-i386.iso then create the usblive with startup disk creator.. is it possible?
[08:33] <Not_White_Rabbit> brainwash: even with -safe-mode I'm experiencing a strange behaviour.
[08:33] <brainwash> which one?
[08:34] <gt8ost4l> launchpad doesnt got the psensor ppa does anybody have an alternative?
[08:34] <Not_White_Rabbit> brainwash: it's gone. I can't reproduce it :(
[08:34] <brainwash> =S
[08:35] <brainwash> ghost2911: https://launchpad.net/~jfi/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[08:35] <brainwash> woops
[08:35] <brainwash> gt8ost4l: ^
[08:35] <gt8ost4l> brainwash i already tried that one
[08:36] <gt8ost4l> it says a 404 message in the termnal
[08:36] <gt8ost4l> terminal
[08:37] <brainwash> share the exact error message
[08:37] <gt8ost4l> why
[08:38] <brainwash> because "a 404 message" does not give us much information
[08:39] <gt8ost4l> its to long do you want a link?
[08:39] <brainwash> use http://paste.ubuntu.com
[08:42] <gt8ost4l> nevermind it was a bad ppa i put
[08:42] <ubernets> Valen, can you explain what you mean by "reserved space for root perhaps is what you are seeing". Seeing it where and what does it mean?
[08:42] <gt8ost4l> now it "works"
[08:43] <gt8ost4l> ill brb have to check
[08:49] <Valen> ubernets: i didn't see how much space you had free, by default ext reserves 5% of blocks for root
[08:50] <Valen> so a service running as something can run out of space even if root still has free space
[08:51] <ubernets> Valen, hmm there is more than 5% free space, and apt-get and dpkg --configure also fail when run under root
[08:52] <ducasse> ubernets: what about 'df -i'
[08:53] <ubernets> ducasse, http://paste.ubuntu.com/25539193/
[08:54] <ducasse> you're out of inodes
[08:54] <ubernets> ducasse, that means there are too many files?
[08:54] <ducasse> most likely
[08:55] <ubernets> ducasse, is there any other possible explanation?
[08:55] <hedin> Hey, I have a 16.04 server with ubuntu-desktop installed and I want to be able to start X11 programs over ssh, but when I ssh -Y user@16.04 and try to run xclock, nothing happens
[08:57] <ducasse> ubernets: not sure, but too many files is the common cause
[08:58] <ubernets> ducasse, thanks. That's a great pointer.
[09:34] <ppang> hedin: " user@16.04 " ???
[09:35] <ppang> didnt knew that you can  write numerals in hostname( in .conf)
[09:36] <jackbandit> is there a protocol to tryin to get maybe some help on here or
[09:36] <ppang> jackbandit: just spit it out, dayum
[09:37] <jackbandit> tried the support phone number lol. no sales reps pickin up. customer service guy was nice but hung up eventually. dont know if there is a support plan for end user with such minimal needs
[09:37] <jackbandit> lolz ok thanks
[09:37] <jackbandit> I CAN ONLY FRICKIN LOG IN AS GUEST even though I KNOW the account is still there
[09:37] <jackbandit> ughhhhhhhhhhhhhh *squeezes stress toy*
[09:38] <jackbandit> thanks for any help u may have :D
[09:38] <jackbandit> i can log in live sess too and access files that way from the admin account
[09:39] <jackbandit> i can boot to recovery root shell but dont know what to do to fix this
[09:40] <ppang> you mean, your caps is o
[09:40] <ppang> on
[09:40] <jackbandit> i really do not want to reinstall OS just because of this..
[09:40] <jackbandit> hi ppang
[09:41] <ppang> if you forgot ur password, then drop to root shell ( via recovery or whateva) then `passwd <username>`
[09:41] <ppang> restart and check if it logs in this time
[09:42] <jackbandit> i have the password, and the root and admin account exist. when i load a live session, i can access it all
[09:42] <ppang> goto another tty and try logging in ur ADMIN account
[09:42] <jackbandit> i forgot what the error was but i get error for 'passwd <username>'.......i can try again
[09:43] <jackbandit> OK, ppang, thanks. I can do that, excuse me newbishness
[09:43] <jackbandit> when i go to different tty's it DOES log in the account on text screens
[09:43] <jackbandit> but no graphical
[09:43] <jackbandit> i type 'X'
[09:43] <jackbandit> does not load graphical
[09:43] <ppang> just typing X wont do the trick
[09:44] <jackbandit> I see
[09:44] <jackbandit> thank you for chatting ppang
[09:44] <ppang> are u on 16.04?
[09:44] <jackbandit> Yes
[09:45] <ppang> goto another tty, login.. then sudo systemctl restart lightdm
[09:45] <jackbandit> ok, i will do that. I'll be back in a bit. anything i might need to know?
[09:45] <ppang> yeah..
[09:45] <jackbandit> if this works, I OWE YOU
[09:46] <ppang> this issue comes if there are permissions issues with .Xauthority
[09:47] <buscon> hi
[09:47] <jackbandit> yeah, i installed a couple of those 'users and groups' apps from the software center. restarted the comp. now can only log in as guest and i'm panicking. at least the files are still there though
[09:47] <buscon> how can you rescale the user interface?
[09:48] <jackbandit> is there something i need to change in .Xauthority
[09:48] <jackbandit> ??
[09:48] <ppang> buscon: via dconf and tweak
[09:48] <buscon> ppang, ok, thanks, i will look into it
[09:48] <ethicalhacker> :)
[09:49] <jackbandit> hey ethical
[09:49] <jackbandit> ok ppang should i give it a go?
[09:49] <ethicalhacker> hey, hows it going :)
[09:49] <jackbandit> well kinda freaking out but
[09:49] <jackbandit> its nice to be on here now
[09:49] <ppang> jackbandit: ur files are safe. dont wry
[09:49] <ethicalhacker> :)
[09:50] <jackbandit> it's solvable but
[09:50] <jackbandit> yeah
[09:50] <jackbandit> i figured.....when i saw all the files there
[09:50] <jackbandit> what a gyp
[09:50] <ppang> pastebin `ls -la $HOME` from admin account
[09:50] <ppang> jackbandit: do you use root account ??? via lightdm
[09:51] <jackbandit> i can.... i guess
[09:51] <ppang> if not.. goto other tty,, loginto admin.. `sudo passwd root`
[09:51] <jackbandit> can you remote connect me and do it lol
[09:51] <ppang> then after changing.. goto lightdm and now try loggin in as root
[09:51] <jackbandit> i'll pay you
[09:51] <ppang> i dnt need moni
[09:52] <ppang> can you provide ssh access?
[09:52] <jackbandit> youre a gentleman and a scholar
[09:52] <jackbandit> yeah prob
[09:52] <jackbandit> how do i
[09:53] <ppang> leave that
[09:53] <ppang> just change ur root password and log directly into it
[09:56] <jackbandit> what will systemctl restart lightdm do?
[10:04] <peet> @jackbandit ??
[10:06] <ubernets> ducasse, the importance of autoremove. A lot of old kernel version header files had accumulated on that server and that was causing it to run out of inodes. THanks for your help.
[10:06] <jbergok> hi, ive setup mutt using this guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MuttAndGmail and now i want to run debsecan with --mailto option. but im wondering what is my mailbox? i have ~/Mail and /var/spool/mail/me , what should i use?
[10:11] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[10:25] <ducasse> jbergok: depends on your mta. just look at the files, and you should be able to tell.
[10:31] <jackbandit> wow, this is frustrating
[10:32] <jackbandit> PLEASE someone help
[10:32] <jackbandit> i just do not have the energy to reinstall OS and go through hours of setting things up again and customizing just because of this
[10:33] <EriC^^> jackbandit: what's your problem?
[10:33] <EriC^^> !details | jackbandit
[10:33] <jackbandit> oh hi eriC
[10:33] <jackbandit> i'm on 16.04
[10:33] <jackbandit> installed those two "users and groups" apps from the sofware center
[10:33] <jackbandit> restarted
[10:34] <ducasse> !enter
[10:34] <jackbandit> now can only log in graphically on guest account
[10:35] <jackbandit> but my admin account is still THERE. i can see it and access all the files when i do a live session from usb
[10:35] <jackbandit> i can log in to the admin account and root on tty text screens
[10:35] <jackbandit> i'm almost frustrated to tears
[10:37] <EriC^^> jackbandit: what happens when you try to login to the account graphically?
[10:38] <jackbandit> i'm on 16.04, installed those two "users and groups" apps from the sofware center, now can only log in graphically on guest account no matter what i try, but my admin account is still THERE. i can see it and access all the files when i do a live session from usb, i can log in to the admin account and root on tty text screens, but just no graphical
[10:38] <jackbandit> to get in and change whatevers wrong. no permissions on guest login [sorry, summed it up to 1 line]
[10:38] <jackbandit> eriC^^ its not even there as an option. on the login screen its just guest
[10:38] <jackbandit> but ive searched around and the account is still there in the system and files
[10:39] <EriC^^> jackbandit: ok, type "cat /etc/passwd | nc termview.me 9999"
[10:39] <jackbandit> eriC^^ type it where, when?
[10:39] <jackbandit> root shell ?
[10:40] <EriC^^> jackbandit: into a terminal in the install os
[10:40] <jackbandit> on recovery?
[10:40] <jackbandit> oh live session terminal?
[10:40] <EriC^^> jackbandit: login to a tty as admin
[10:40] <jackbandit> oh ok
[10:40] <EriC^^> jackbandit: where are you logged in right now? live usb or tty?
[10:41] <jackbandit> im on the guest account. if i hit ctrl alt F4 tho it goes to a tty screen
[10:41] <EriC^^> ok, in irc type "/exec -o cat /etc/passwd /etc/lightdm/users.conf | nc termview.me 9999"
[10:42] <jackbandit> i'll try both of those hang on
[10:42] <jackbandit> thanks~
[10:42] <EriC^^> try the 2nd one, if it doesn't work login to tty and type cat /etc/passwd /etc/lightdm/users.conf | nc termview.me 9999
[10:47] <Adillian> hi, my new install isn't finding eth0 or wlan0 in ifconfig - any ideas? Also as I can't connect to the internet due to this my options for updates are limited
[10:48] <demophobia> when i USB in my android smartphone, why is it being listed twice, e.g. mtp://[usb:003,002]/, or 004,003, or 004,004?
[10:50] <EriC^^> Adillian: does it show in "lshw -C network" ?
[10:50] <EriC^^> *sudo lshw ..
[10:50] <jackbandit> adillian i was having very similar problem with debian installs on other system until i plugged in the mini router from thinkpenguin........highly suggest their products
[10:51] <Adillian> hmm let me check - a lot of input came out of that command so I'll have to grep for it
[10:51] <jackbandit> meanwhile thanks eriC^^ these commands arent working though and im gettin real.................sad
[10:52] <ducasse> Adillian: no, the device names may not be eth0 and wlan0 - in fact they won't on 16.04 an later
[10:52] <EriC^^> jackbandit: you need to give more info, aren't working how? if you type "groups <your admin username>" what do you get?
[10:52] <jackbandit> oh wait, it did something..
[10:52] <jackbandit> it gave me a link
[10:52] <Adillian> EriC^^, yeah I missed off the '-C network' first time.. Now I've got it there's a wlp3s0b1 for wifi and a virbr0-nic for ethernet
[10:52] <EriC^^> jackbandit: ok, copy it here and run the command above as well
[10:53] <jackbandit> http://termview.me/g4on/
[10:53] <EriC^^> Adillian: ok, try "rfkill list"
[10:53] <ducasse> Adillian: the last one is for virtual networking
[10:53] <EriC^^> jackbandit: what's the name of the admin account?
[10:54] <Adillian> EriC^^, the program 'rfkill' is not installed... but I have no internet to install it
[10:54] <jackbandit> chuck
[10:54] <EriC^^> jackbandit: ok
[10:55] <jackbandit> in groups adm cdrom sudo dip plugdev lpadmin sambashare
[10:56] <jackbandit> thanks so much eriC^^ if we figure this out karma is going to bless you so hard
[10:56] <EriC^^> jackbandit: i think i have it
[10:57] <EriC^^> jackbandit: type "sudo vipw" then go to the line that says chuck:x:1000:1000:chuck,,,:...
[10:57] <EriC^^> add the chuck there where i added it
[10:57] <Adillian> EriC^^, never mind I fixed it! for the record I used https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2325768&page=2
[10:57] <EriC^^> on my system removing it caused it to disappear from lightdm
[10:58] <EriC^^> Adillian: cool, thanks for sharing
[10:59] <Adillian> EriC^^, thanks for your help!
[10:59] <EriC^^> Adillian: sure, np
[10:59] <jackbandit> ok i found the line
[11:00] <jackbandit> im getting excited and feeling a little bit of a mix of the chick from jurassic park and matthew lillard in hackers..
[11:00] <jackbandit> i'll try and figure out what you mean
[11:00] <jackbandit> thank you
[11:02] <jackbandit> ok so thats it? add that and save it?
[11:03] <jbergok> what is the best file integrity checking software between aide, integrit, samhain or tripwire
[11:04] <EriC^^> jackbandit: yeah
[11:05] <jackbandit> eriC^^ i dont know how to save it and exit the editor
[11:05] <EriC^^> jackbandit: which editor is it? nano?
[11:05] <jackbandit> i think so, i chose #2 cause it said it was easiest
[11:05] <jackbandit> nano was one of em
[11:06] <EriC^^> jackbandit: press ctrl+o to save
[11:06] <oerheks> jbergok, tripwire and aide, i guess. there is no single best, use more than one check
[11:06] <raidghost> Possible to encrypt channels legaly with softcam ? Got a tvtunercard DVB-C without CAM module. So the only way to maybe encrypt channels would be softcam
[11:06] <raidghost> At the moment i have a subscription from the cable company
[11:07] <jackbandit> so if i reboot now it might actually work!??!!?
[11:07] <EriC^^> jackbandit: no need to reboot, exit the editor (ctrl+x) then type sudo systemctl restart lightdm
[11:10] <jackbandit> didnt work
[11:10] <jackbandit> wow
[11:10] <jackbandit> this sucks
[11:10] <EriC^^> jackbandit: no worries
[11:11] <EriC^^> jackbandit: type "cat /etc/passwd | nc termview.me 9999" in the tty again
[11:13] <eyJhb> Any AAU ITS available?
[11:15] <jackbandit> thank you so much EriC^^
[11:15] <jackbandit> matthew lillard i am not apparently
[11:16] <jackbandit> http://termview.com/ztin
[11:17] <EriC^^> jackbandit: it looks good
[11:17] <jackbandit> sorry http://termview.me/ztin
[11:17] <jackbandit> ok
[11:18] <EriC^^> jackbandit: try something, "sudo adduser testuser"
[11:19] <EriC^^> see if it appears if you press on "switch account" in guest mode in the top right corner
[11:19] <jackbandit> i have no 'switch account' in top right menu corner click fsr
[11:19] <jackbandit> ok i will run the code
[11:20] <jackbandit> its going.....its asking, room number??
[11:21] <jackbandit> should i just hit enter for defaults?
[11:22] <pmurias_> if I want to replace my wifi card because it's causing driver issues what would be a one that doesn't cause problems?
[11:22] <pmurias_> (in my lenovo laptop)
[11:23] <jackbandit> pmurias_ just from my experiences thinkpenguin.com is a miracle worker in that dept if youre doing some shopping, but i'm no guru
[11:24] <pmurias_> I just hope just an ubuntu update might have fixed the issue as the connection didn't disconnect yet today :/
[11:25] <jackbandit> EriC^^ when setting up the test account, should i just do default settings?? Like 'Room Number'? etc
[11:26] <jackbandit> good luck pmurias_ ..............all the frustration still beats using Windows any day tho
[11:26] <pmurias_> jackbandit: I feel both linux and windows are getting progressively worse those days :/
[11:27] <jackbandit> whats our solution...........get a mac? Lol
[11:27] <BluesKaj> pmurias_, which audio chip?
[11:29] <EriC^^> jackbandit: yeah keep them empty
[11:29] <EriC^^> sorry was away
[11:29] <oerheks> i would go for intel wireless, always a good choise
[11:31] <jackbandit> thanks EriC^^
[11:32] <pmurias> why isn't wifi support to development priority? :/
[11:33] <jackbandit> EriC^^ nah, i dont see it in the accounts section or anything. and i dont see a 'switch user' option in the top right menu..
[11:34] <EriC^^> jackbandit: it doesn't appear in settings > user accounts?
[11:34] <EriC^^> oh you mean the top right one
[11:34] <ballyhoo> pmurias, my guess is that some chip makers don't work closely with the open source community.
[11:34] <oerheks> pmurias, what makes you think that?
[11:34] <ballyhoo> Thus, less resources for development.
[11:35] <oerheks> pmurias, also, this is technical support, there is also #ubuntu-discuss
[11:35] <jackbandit> Eric^^ no, no accounts appear there.....i'm guessing because I have no privelages as guest.....or..? ......Doesnt appear in the top right-click menu either..... :/
[11:37] <EriC^^> jackbandit: let's try to remove the apps that caused the problem, what do you think?
[11:38] <jackbandit> EriC^^ definitely worth a shot..........Now, how do i get that done with no privileges or account-switching....lol.....i tried as many workarounds as i could think of but no dice thus far
[11:39] <jackbandit> it was lxqt-admin-user that started this whole mess
[11:39] <EriC^^> jackbandit: type in the tty "tail /var/log/apt/history.log | nc termview.me 9999"
[11:39] <jackbandit> and the other one.......some cinnamin app, but i think i got rid of that
[11:39] <jackbandit> ok thanks 1 moment
[11:42] <jackbandit> http://termview.me/f0wh
[11:43] <EriC^^> jackbandit: try "grep -C10 lxqt-admin-user /var/log/apt/history.log | nc termview.me 9999"
[11:46] <jackbandit> i keep getting 'error connecting' response for that query fsr
[11:58] <ppang> jackbandit: stuck?
[11:58] <ppang> try gdm
[12:05] <crissae> I'm getting errors if I run apt-get with ubuntu 15.10 -- 14.04 is fine
[12:06] <crissae> apt-get update*
[12:06] <oerheks> crissae, that is normal, 15.10 is dead, EOL. upgrade to a supported version please
[12:06] <crissae> https://pastebin.com/wDPNiKZj
[12:06] <crissae> Oh yeah?  Thank you!
[12:06] <oerheks> 14.04 /16.04/17.04 is supported
[12:07] <crissae> Many thanks - really appreciate it.
[12:07] <oerheks> yw
[12:07] <crissae> oerheks:  pardon the noobsauce, is there a resource I could check to verify these states?   a list of currently-supported versions through apt-get for example?
[12:07] <crissae> I'm thrilled I got an answer on IRC still
[12:08] <crissae> verify which versions are supported*  is a better wording
[12:08] <jackbandit> i guess it's just time for a clean install ----so painful when its just right there, you can almost reach out and touch it---but just gotta grin and bare it i guess. thanks EriC^^ .....is there some way i can compensate you for your services?
[12:09] <jackbandit> ppang ....... Stuck.
[12:09] <oerheks> "ubuntu-support-status" gives a overview, else https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases --- https://www.ubuntu.com/info/release-end-of-life
[12:11] <oerheks> !cookie | eric^^ jackbandit
[12:12] <jackbandit> yeah definitely give him some cookies. i think he ditched
[12:12] <oerheks> he'll be back :-)
[12:12] <jackbandit> another "learning" experience for this guy lol
[12:13] <jackbandit> cant say that i dont learn a few new tricks with every crash, though
[12:14] <oerheks> after 8 years or so, i still learn new things, discovery's and tricks
[12:14] <jackbandit> :)
[12:42] <enet> Hi all! I've installed Ubuntu 17.10 and don't know how to get work Alt keys. I need to jump forwards/backwards words when Alt+Arrow is pressed.
[12:42] <enet> Does anybody know what's the problem with Alt keys and how to fix them?
[12:52] <vlt> enet: Different tools use different shortcuts for jumping. On the terminal it's usually alt+f for one word forward, in other programs like gedit or libreoffice writer it's ctrl+right arrow.
[12:52] <vlt> enet: But I don't know where to define that. Why does it have to be alt+arrow?
[12:57] <ppang> vlt: u mean readline
[12:57] <vlt> ppang: Maybe ;-)
[12:57] <ppang> set -o vi # <3
[12:58] <enet> vlt, yes, you are right. And I've even fixed this behaviour on the terminal in /etc/inputrc. But the main problem for me is typing on Gnome environment.
[13:00] <enet> And I don't know where are stored some configs to bind Alt+Arrow for this behaviour in Gnome. And what packages are responsible for it...
[13:00] <vlt> enet: Me neither. But what is wrong with ctrl+arrow?
[13:05] <enet> Because it differs from Alt+Arrow :) For example if cursor is set like this camelCase| then result of Alt+LeftArrow keystroke will be camel|Case, but result of Ctrl+LeftArrow will be |camelCase
[13:06] <vlt> enet: Says who?
[13:06] <geirha> gnome-terminal, at least, does not appear to be able to distinguish between Right-arrow and Meta-Right-arrow
[13:10] <enet> vlt, at least that's what I want. The same behaviour is realized in KDE, Unity and Windows.
[13:39] <xrandr> morning
[14:10] <C_minus> I've seen a few slightly different ways of installing gnome (adding ppas, different names like `gnome`, `ubuntu-gnome-desktop`, `gnome-shell`). Does anyone have any recommendations for the most pain-free way on 16.04 ??
[14:24] <ducasse> enet: 17.10 support is in #ubuntu+1
[14:41] <cleankicks11> hello
[14:45] <C_minus> I've seen a few slightly different ways of installing gnome (adding ppas, different names like `gnome`, `ubuntu-gnome-desktop`, `gnome-shell`). Does anyone have any recommendations for the most pain-free way on 16.04 ??
[14:47] <xrandr> C_minus: ubuntu-gnome-desktop
[14:48] <xrandr> and then if you need additional packages, you can install them
[14:49] <claytonflesher> win 7
[14:50] <C_minus> xrandr: I shuold choose `gdm` over `lightdm`?
[14:51] <xrandr> C_minus: that's your choice. Lightdm is the ubuntu default desktop/window manager
[14:51] <xrandr> gdm is gnome's desktop manager
[14:51] <C_minus> xrandr: does this determine what happens at the login screen?
[14:52] <xrandr> C_minus: yes, they look different
[14:52] <xrandr> Honestly, I see no reason to change from the Ubuntu one
[14:52] <C_minus> I think I'll choose lightdm, I don't want to explode my brain with too many changes all at once.
[14:52] <xrandr> just choose "gnome desktop" from the list of desktop environments
[15:17] <pjstirling> hi, I was on here last night asking about a problem with getting the firmware for an old wireless dongle, I was told to install the linux-firmware-nonfree package but that doesn't seem to exist for zesty?
[15:18] <peet> lspci | grep network
[15:19] <ducasse> pjstirling: afaik there's only linux-firmware now
[15:19] <peet> ???
[15:20] <pjstirling> well the machine doesn't have network access without the dongle, so I don't know what to do, linux-firmware is installed
[15:21] <ducasse> which chipset is this?
[15:21] <kostkon> pjstirling, you'll probably have to provide all the information again
[15:22] <pjstirling> the firmware it wants is isl3887usb according to syslog
[15:23] <ducasse> that's not in any package in the repos afaict
[15:23] <oerheks> oh, you are right, it is removed due to licensing..
[15:23] <eater9> Hi - my laptop is working fine but the console is always full of "Memory pressure relief" messages. Is there a way to fix that? I have 8G ram and 8G swap and I'm not really doing anything memory-intensive.
[15:24] <oerheks> download an older manually, and install it with dpkg -i
[15:27] <oerheks> http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-linux-nonfree_20170823-1_all.deb
[15:28] <ScottyAtHome> what FS are people using for a RAID1 type system 16.04 server. tried BTRFS but it is a bit too faffy and difficult to get working when testing raid1 issues, has anyone else had those issues?
[15:29] <pjstirling> will I need to reboot to get it to nituce the firmware once the package is installed?
[15:29] <pjstirling> notice*
[15:30] <oerheks> pjstirling, not sure, but it should not harm
[15:37] <pjstirling> right, now it seems to recognise the dongle, but when I try to connect to wifi it keeps disconnecting
[15:38] <oerheks> can you hook up an ethernet cable, or move it to a place with wired networking??
[15:38] <pjstirling> sadly not :/
[15:38] <oerheks> you might need some more packages .. wpa-supplicant and such
[15:39] <pjstirling> I have my laptop next to it, but I'm not sure how to set up connection forwarding
[15:39] <oerheks> !ics
[15:39] <pjstirling> (I'm running windows on my laptop)
[15:39] <oerheks> it can be done easily, with network manager
[15:39] <oerheks> windows tyoo, though i have no memory how
[15:39] <oerheks> -y
[15:40] <ioria> pjstirling, for the sake of completeness, i link this : https://wiki.debian.org/prism54#p54usb   idk if can help
[15:41] <oerheks> ioria, he has the package, now he wants to connect, missing wpa-supplicant i guess
[16:08] <cleankicks11> hello, what time does this start?
[16:09] <nacc> cleankicks11: wrong channel?
[16:10] <cleankicks11> Hello? Im looking for ubuntu classroom MOTU.
[16:10] <nacc> cleankicks11: that's not this channel, I'm not sure what it is
[16:11] <Mathisen> #ubuntu-classroom
[16:11] <cleankicks11> At the ubuntu MOTU they said go to ubuntu-classroom channel and this is what I got
[16:12] <oerheks> oh, "Cannot join #ubuntu-classroom (Channel is invite only)"
[16:13] <Mathisen> cleankicks11, this may be usefull to read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Packaging/Training
[16:13] <OneM_Industries> So.
[16:13] <OneM_Industries> I made a bit of a mistake with a command and need some help.
[16:14] <OneM_Industries> I entered "while true; do beep -f 1000; done" and forgot a sleep statement. Anyone have a suggestion for how to make the machine stop beeping?
[16:14] <nacc> OneM_Industries: in a new terminal `ps aux | grep beep` and kill -9 it
[16:15] <xrandr> OneM_Industries: ctrl z
[16:15] <xrandr> that should suspend it
[16:15] <nacc> xrandr: or that :)
[16:16] <xrandr> after you suspend it, then ps aux |grep beep
[16:16] <xrandr> then kill that pid number, or in this case you can safely use killlall -9 beep
[16:16] <OneM_Industries> Thank you.
[16:17] <OneM_Industries> THANK YOU! Finally, quiet...
[16:18] <cleankicks11> Im trying to learn C++ in Eclipse on linux, im having trouble with SDL2 libraries?
[16:20] <nacc> cleankicks11: if that is a C++ specific question, you should use a programming channel
[16:20] <nacc> !alis | cleankicks11
[16:23] <cleankicks11> I am having a problem with SDL2 libraries on Eclipse for linux; I get an error in the "makefile" which says can't find libraries, and No video device available
[16:33] <scx> Hello
[16:34] <scx> Can someone show me output of this command on Ubuntu >= 16.04 LTS?: ls / ; ls /usr
[16:34] <scx> you can use pastebin or similar site
[16:38] <nacc> scx: ... you mean from a fresh 16.04? use a container?
[16:40] <scx> nacc: it can be normal ("used") system
[16:41] <nacc> scx: i'm saying you can find it yourself, trivially?
[16:41] <nacc> scx: lxc launch ubuntu:xenial (gives container name). lxc exec <container> -- ls /; lxc exec <container> -- ls /usr
[16:42] <scx> nacc: that require to download ubuntu, which is impossible for me right now.
[16:42] <scx> all i want is check, if there is /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu or something like that
[16:43] <nacc> scx: how is this a support question? in any case, yes, there is.
[16:43] <nacc> scx: also, your original question would absolutely *not* answer that question.
[16:44] <nacc> scx: so i'm not sure why you wouldn't just ask 'is there a /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ on 16.04?'
[16:44] <nacc> scx: given that the above path is a subdirectory of /lib, not / or /usr.
[16:46] <scx> my mistake. What I really want to know it that: is it possible to install libc6, both from amd64 and arm64 port on the same system?
[16:47] <nacc> scx: ...
[16:47] <nacc> scx: it feels like you're actually going to ask a different questio. What is your goal?
[16:48] <nacc> !pm | cleankicks11
[16:48] <nacc> cleankicks11: and i think i've been quite clear, please search for a relevant channel if you're asking about programming
[16:50] <scx> nacc: I have a program that depend only on glibc. I am curious if it will be possible to install arm64's libc6 on amd64 ubuntu from package manager, and run this program using qemu-user-static with chroot
[16:51] <nacc> scx: if you're using chroot, you'd be installing it in the chroot
[16:52] <scx> nacc: yes, but it would be nice to use glibc from host system (that will be always updated by apt), without installing whole system in chroot
[16:53] <nacc> scx: ... what?
[16:53] <nacc> scx: you're doing cross-architecture development
[16:54] <nacc> scx: that doesn't make sense to me
[16:54] <nacc> scx: that == using glibc from host
[17:02] <BarryIsLost> Hello, penguinistas. I am working on backing up my DVD collection to an external drive, creating *.iso files for each, currently using Brasero. Can anyone recommend an external Blu Ray drive and, if necessary, appropriate software for reading my BD ROMs? I don't need a BD burner. I'm just trying to create the .iso files for now. Thanks!
[17:48] <lubuntuabuser> hello
[17:48] <xrandr> hello
[17:51] <ccat> q: pick N pc-model of various kind (desk, lap, etc) random from various mfg, where is a doc showing %probability ubuntu will run stable w/ pc-hw ~90% supported?
[17:51] <ikonia> just pick any machine with supported components
[17:52] <ikonia> (or build a machine with supported components if thats within your power)
[17:52] <ikonia> there are very few hard "no" linux support, but why make it hard just pick a machine that has friendly components
[17:52] <ccat> ikonia: cannot pick specific pc's -- this is a "market survey" sort of thing?
[17:52] <ikonia> then it's offtopic for this channel
[17:54] <ccat> ikonia: which chan would have such info about success rate of ubuntu install if not the ubuntu chan?
[17:54] <ikonia> well you've alread spammed ##linux with it
[17:54] <lotuspsychje> ccat: just try a liveusb on your hardware?
[17:54] <ikonia> are you asking for a recommendation ?
[17:54] <ikonia> I'm not %100 clear what you're asking now,
[17:55] <ikonia> or are you looking for survey data ?
[17:56] <ccat> #1 this is not for commercial use -- #2 want to have docs ready to refute if told by vendor that ubuntu is hard to get working
[17:56] <ikonia> ccat: that has no bearing
[17:56] <ikonia> ccat: are you looking for a specific recommendation, or survey data ?
[17:57] <ccat> ikonia: well... guess it would be survey, or at least expert opinion
[17:57] <ikonia> ok, so thats offtopic for this channel
[17:58] <ccat> ikonia: then could you please direct me to the right chan -- as this info may become very important to have
[17:58] <ikonia> not really no
[17:58] <ducasse> !alis | ccat
[17:59] <ccat> ducasse: as i asked, which [other] chan would have such info about success rate of ubuntu install if not the ubuntu chan?
[18:00] <lotuspsychje> ccat: this is the ubuntu support channel here
[18:00] <ikonia> ccat: and you where given a useful link to help you search channel topics
[18:02] <ducasse> ccat: "For help on using it ... or ask in #freenode"
[18:02] <ccat> ducasse: i am looking
[18:10] <DexterF> hi
[18:10] <lotuspsychje> DexterF: welcome, how can we help?
[18:11] <DexterF> which desktop handles laptops on docking stations well, i.e. move windows to laptop when undocking and restoring main display setting etc when docking again?
[18:13] <lotuspsychje> DexterF: you mean like an ubuntu flavor desktop?
[18:15] <DexterF> lotuspsychje, ?
[18:15] <lotuspsychje> DexterF: explain what you need a bit more please?
[18:18] <DexterF> lotuspsychje, I do not understand which part was unclear. I noticed that xfce loses the screens when undocking and merges the windows to the remaining laptop screen, but won't restore when re-docking
[18:18] <DexterF> so I was wondering if some other works better here.
[18:19] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu flavors it is then DexterF
[18:19] <DexterF> I would not really want to go KDE or Gnome but something with a similar footprint-vs-comfort tradeoff
[18:19] <lotuspsychje> DexterF: i dont think we can generalize what works best on flavors
[18:19] <immu> https://imgur.com/a/KC8mP
[18:19] <DexterF> that is why I asked for a specific feature.
[18:22] <C_minus> I recently got gnome shell via `sudo apt install ubuntu-gnome-desktop` But I don't like it that much. How can I safely remove it so that only Unity remains?
[18:24] <oerheks> "adding is no problem, removing one desktop can be a hassle"
[18:25] <oerheks> sudo apt remove ubuntu-gnome-desktop # and hope for the best
[18:25] <lotuspsychje> C_minus: and backup your data before :p
[18:25] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^
[18:25] <EriC^^> hey lotuspsychje
[18:25] <sirru5h> True you can switch which desktop you want during the login C_Minus
[18:26] <lotuspsychje> DexterF: you could tryout some other flavors liveusb on your docking, but perhaps also look into your syslog/dmesg for relevant errors on your xfce
[18:27] <DexterF> lotuspsychje, yes, well, I'll take chances testing then
[18:28] <sirru5h> oerheks, we should find out if he has a separate /home partition if he does then re-installs are not so bad unless it is production or something as such
[18:28] <lotuspsychje> DexterF: try a tail -f /var/log/syslog and plug in/out your docking
[18:29] <ducasse> DexterF: i'd think there's a bigger chance gnome or kde supports that, but i don't use either.
[18:29] <oerheks> if someone has no backup, data is not important.
[18:29] <ducasse> DexterF: depending on your de/wm, it is possible to script something yourself, though
[18:30] <sirru5h> oerheks, very true have you used time machine? I heard that it nukes the metadata of files it backsup have you heard of this?
[18:30] <DexterF> ducasse, well, yes, X will detect new screens alright and one could trigger that on udev or such. tbh in 2017 I've gotten a tad lazy and would like things to "just work" for a bit. given win10 does it right, which I hate to say.
[18:30] <oerheks> sirru5h, nope.
[18:31] <oerheks> i usually backup manually, on different hdd's.
[18:33] <C_minus> I did https://askubuntu.com/questions/452411/revert-from-gnome-3-to-unity but now I'm stuck in a login loop.
[18:34] <ducasse> DexterF: then again, this isn't win10 - thank $deity.
[18:35] <sirru5h> C_minus, ctrl + alt f1-f6 you will get a terminal
[18:36] <C_minus> Yep I've done that.
[18:36] <C_minus> I'm not sure what to install though.
[18:36] <C_minus> I've sudo apt-get installed unity-desktop
[18:36] <C_minus> sorry, ubuntu-desktop
[18:36] <sirru5h> you may want to recofig your system apt --configure -a
[18:37] <sirru5h> at the prompt
[18:37] <ducasse> C_minus: try restarting lightdm, or checking ~/.xsession-errors
[18:37] <lotuspsychje> C_minus: like oerheks mentioned, testing other flavors is easy but removing might give some leftovers/issues
[18:39] <sirru5h> btw C_minus do you use a seperate partition for your /home?
[18:40] <C_minus> xsession-errors says "openConnection: connect: No such file or directory; cannot connect to br1tty at :0; upstart: gnome sessiion main process terminated with status 1; upstart Disconnected from notified D-bus bus"...
[18:40] <C_minus> upstart: bamfdaemon main process killed by TERM signal
[18:40] <ducasse> sirru5h: that command should be dpkg, not apt, btw
[18:42] <ducasse> C_minus: you sure you're trying to log in to your old session and not still gnome? it might still be there and listed as default...
[18:42] <sirru5h> that is true  ducasse thank you for the correction
[18:43] <C_minus> ducasse: I no longer have the little icon in the login screen to choose either gnome or unity
[18:46] <ducasse> C_minus: ok. "gnome sessiion main process terminated with status 1" just hinted to me it might still be trying to start gnome, i don't think unity uses gnome-session?
[18:46] <C_minus> ducasse: how does one change that? (also grub is still grey instead of purple, what's up with that?)
[18:47] <ducasse> C_minus: try 'sudo apt install --reinstall ubuntu-desktop'
[18:48] <glitsj16> C_minus: you can always check what's in /var/lib/AccountsService/users/<your-username> as XSession, that should be the session gdm uses by default
[18:49] <C_minus> glitsj16: it says XSession=gnome
[18:50] <glitsj16> C_minus: try changing that to "ubuntu"
[18:51] <glitsj16> C_minus: you are using gdm right?
[18:53] <C_minus> glitsj16: no when installing gnome I chose to keep using lightdm
[18:54] <glitsj16> C_minus: oh, I'm not sure whether lightdm picks up anything from AccountsService, but what do you have set in /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf for user-session?
[18:55] <C_minus> glitsj16: I don't have a conf, I have a conf.d
[18:56] <C_minus> And it's empty
[18:57] <glitsj16> C_minus: well, try adding a snippet in conf.d putting in only "user-session=ubuntu"
[19:00] <C_minus> glitsj16: it's a directory (with nothing inside)
[19:02] <glitsj16> C_minus: wait, I checked lightdm, haven't been using that in a long time.. you should have /usr/share/lightdm/conf.d/50-ubuntu.conf.. do you have that?
[19:03] <glitsj16> if so, copy it to /etc/lightdm/conf.d
[19:04] <thorie> hello, how do i upgrade to 15.10 ?
[19:04] <C_minus> glitsj16: yeah it says user-session=ubuntu
[19:04] <oerheks> sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm # and choose the other one ?
[19:04] <glitsj16> thorie: 15.10 isn't that EOL?
[19:07] <oerheks> thorie, see the factoid, use the old-releases trick
[19:07] <oerheks> !eolupgrade
[19:11] <thorie> i clicked "Download" on this page, and it goes to a 404 Error. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCD
[19:12] <oerheks> https://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop
[19:13] <ioria> thorie, what you need exactly ?
[19:15] <david89> Hello. Running 17.04, is it possible to have all windows automatically start maximized?
[19:15] <thorie> trying to figure out how to upgrade my 15.04 to 15.10, then 15.10 to 16.04, then to 16.10, then to 17.04
[19:15] <thorie> it's going to take me a long time to go through so many upgrades :(
[19:15] <ioria> thorie, are you sure you wanna do that ?
[19:19] <thorie> well, google-chrome stopped working on 15.04 so i think i should upgrade
[19:19] <thorie> it needs a new version of NSS
[19:19] <ioria> thorie, oh, we agree
[19:20] <ioria> thorie, why don't you download the zesty image ?
[19:21] <thorie> what is zesty?
[19:21] <ioria> !17.04
[19:21] <thorie> i think 50% of my apps will break when i upgrade
[19:21] <oerheks> thorie, make sure you get the 64 bit version, google-chrome 32 bit is EOL
[19:21] <ioria> thorie, are you 32-bit ?
[19:21] <thorie> nope 64-bit
[19:21] <ioria> so
[19:22] <ioria> thorie,  you need anyway to upgrade
[19:22] <virmaha> On windows, I can create a window and process messages sent to it in same thread. How can I do the same on linux?
[19:23] <thorie> if i upgrade, will it tell me which apps will stop working?
[19:24] <ioria> thorie,  i don't think so .... what kind of apps ?
[19:25] <thorie> all the ones i manually installed with `dpkg -i *.deb` files
[19:26] <thorie> i wish i could install on another partition to see if this is going to make everything worse :(
[19:26] <thorie> i won't be able to do any work if suddenly my screen or keyboard isn't supported by 17.04
[19:26] <oerheks> oh, without proper source line, they will be disabled from updating
[19:27] <oerheks> try a live iso before upgrading
[19:27] <thorie> will a 15.04 deb package still work in 17.04?
[19:27] <ioria> thorie,  we cannot know, atm
[19:27] <oerheks> without sufficient info about what "a" package, no
[19:27] <thorie> my gut feeling is that this is going to be a horrible upgrade
[19:28] <ioria> thorie,  backup those debs on usb, remove them, upgrade and try to reinstall
[19:28] <EriC^^> thorie: why are you upgrading to 17.04 and not 17.10?
[19:28] <oerheks> maybe the source of that package can tell you?
[19:28] <david89> you can install them in the live to test them
[19:28] <thorie> it took me several DAYS just to finally get the drivers working to change the screen light/darkness settings from pitch black
[19:28] <EriC^^> wait a month or so til its released
[19:28] <thorie> i think it took me weeks to get the volume button working
[19:29] <thorie> tons of manual tweaks and kernel recompiling and changing who knows what
[19:29] <ioria> thorie,  you need 17.10 ?
[19:29] <thorie> i have no idea
[19:30] <thorie> all i know is google-chrome doesn't work on 15.04 anymore
[19:30] <thorie> it might be easier for me to downgrade google-chrome
[19:30] <ioria> thorie,  nope
[19:30] <thorie> my other option is switch to firefox, because that still works on 15.04
[19:31] <ioria> thorie,  again, you need to upgrade
[19:31] <thorie> yeah but i have a huge project deadline im trying to finish and it's bad timing, not sure if i can spend the next 3 weeks twiddling with my laptop to get it functional after an upgrade
[19:32] <ioria> thorie,  project deadline on an unsupported release ?
[19:32] <oerheks> thorie, it sounds like you have not touched that laptop for months..
[19:32] <oerheks> deadline?
[19:32] <thorie> i've been using the laptop everyday for years
[19:33] <david89> just boot the iso and answer all your questions
[19:34] <thorie> yeah i will try that first, but how do i install my wifi chip driver, or my usb chip driver, or my screen driver, all i had to download from places on the web?
[19:34] <thorie> my laptop screen was initialy completely black, until i found the drivers that allowed me to change the brightness from 0
[19:34] <david89> you probably won't have to
[19:35] <thorie> it was a very painful process
[19:35] <david89> sorry to hear
[19:35] <thorie> took me several months in total to finally get 15.04 working a while ago, and i'm not excited to go through that again :(
[19:37] <thorie> i thought buying a linux laptop would make things easier, but it's exactly the same as trying to install linux on a typical windows laptop
[19:37] <thorie> in fact, it's kind of harder because very few people have my hardware
[19:37] <thorie> so it's hard to search for solutions on google
[19:37] <ioria> thorie, note that we don't know your  hw specs
[19:37] <oerheks> try a live iso, ubuntu/linux got much better since
[19:38] <ccat> thorie: buy laptop with linux installed
[19:38] <david89> he did
[19:38] <ccat> thorie: oh sorry, why is it same?
[19:39] <leftyfb> thorie: you mean to tell me you bought a laptop preloaded with linux where nothing worked including the display?
[19:39] <marekw2143> hello
[19:39] <marekw2143> how can I change MBR to GPT without data loss ?
[19:39] <thorie> leftyfb: no, it worked great on 14.04 - then i upgraded to 15.04 and nothing worked
[19:39] <ccat> oerheks: now you see what happens when i DONT get to fully read before responding
[19:39] <marekw2143> first sector of /dev/sda1 is at 2048 position (I don't know units)
[19:40] <thorie> leftyfb: really horrible experience and lost time
[19:40] <leftyfb> thorie: I would stick with LTS releases. You should upgrade to 16.04 and don't touch it again till 18.04 (Next April). The upgrade process is smoother and the releases tend to be more stable.
[19:40] <leftyfb> thorie: especially by the sounds of your habits. They're supported for 5 years
[19:40] <thorie> ah okay
[19:41] <thorie> sounds like a good plan
[19:41] <leftyfb> thorie: that said, if you try 16.04 and it's got some issues with your hardware, we'd be happy to help you out. Though you really would need to divulge your hardware specs
[19:41] <thorie> i already burned a new DVD with 17.04 on it so i might as well boot it up
[19:42] <ioria> he said lts
[19:42] <leftyfb> thorie: you'll be upgrading from that in 6 months
[19:42] <leftyfb> actually, less
[19:42] <thorie> oh i see
[19:43] <thorie> okay downloading it now
[19:43] <leftyfb> thorie: 17.04 will be unsupported in January
[19:45] <thorie> i don't see my hardware listed on the website anymore but here's what it is i believe https://www.thinkpenguin.com/gnu-linux/snares-penguin-support-information
[19:46] <thorie> Provided you have kernel 3.5 or newer in Linux Mint 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, Ubuntu 12.04, 12.10, 13.04, 13.10, 14.04, Debian 7, or Trisquel 6, 6.01, 7, the following package will fix issues with the brightness keys not working:
[19:46] <thorie> http://thinkpenguin.com/files/acpi-fix.deb
[19:46] <thorie> see, my laptop only works until 14.04 and then things get bad in 15.04
[19:47] <thorie> oh here it is: https://www.thinkpenguin.com/gnu-linux/snares-penguin-gnu-linux-notebook
[19:48] <leftyfb> thorie: to be fair, the issue is that "thinkpenguin" is the one failing to update their own drivers for modern operating systems. Not exactly a hardware issue
[19:48] <leftyfb> thorie: though it's possible the latest 4.x kernel in 16.04 might have the drivers you need
[19:49] <leftyfb> built in
[19:49] <oerheks> 16.04 comes with kernel 4.8 AFAIK, no need to wonder if it works, just fire up the live iso
[19:49] <oerheks> 17.04 with 4.10
[19:49] <thorie> alright, going to try to boot up the live iso
[19:49] <leftyfb> isn't linux-image-generic-hwe-16.04 the default now?
[19:49] <leftyfb> if so, it's 4.10 on 16.04
[19:50] <oerheks> HWE is a choise
[19:50] <oerheks> !hwe
[19:50] <leftyfb> I thought it was a choice from GA. After 16.04.2 or 3 I think it becomes default when you download the iso
[19:52] <leftyfb> "The 16.04.2 and newer point releases will ship with an updated kernel and X stack by default for the desktop."   Not sure if "updated kernel" refers to HWE
[19:53] <leftyfb> I think it does
[19:56] <oerheks> I think it will give 4.8, after updates anyway
[20:14] <Appreciated> hi everyone
[20:15] <Appreciated> my ubuntu 16.04 boots in emergency mode, ctrl + default doesn't help
[20:15] <Appreciated> can i only view the error log on the machine or anyway to ssh on it?
[20:15] <Appreciated> ok nvm i found that i can turn on SSH
[20:16] <Appreciated> maybe this will allow me some more analysis on the issue
[20:31] <thorie> my screen works in 16.04 yay
[20:31] <thorie> how can i upgrade 15.04 to 16.04 ?
[20:33] <Bashing-om> !eol | thorie
[21:01] <psychoticwarrior> what sup
[21:01] <multifractal> How do I update to the latest stable kernel version? TJ- gave me a handy script that does it automatically but I lost it.
[21:01] <psychoticwarrior> apt dist-upgrade might work
[21:02] <oerheks> multifractal, you get the latest stable kernel with updates. you might want to consider HWE
[21:02] <oerheks> !hwe
[21:02] <psychoticwarrior> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[21:03] <oerheks> mainline is for testing, then you are on your own
[21:04] <psychoticwarrior> oh ok
[21:07] <psychoticwarrior> sudo apt-get install linux-image-kernal_version
[21:07] <psychoticwarrior> sudo apt-get install linux-image-extra-kernal_version
[21:07] <psychoticwarrior> sudo apt-get install linux-headers-kernal_version
[21:07] <Kobaz> how do i switch to xorg from wayland
[21:07] <psychoticwarrior> https://askubuntu.com/questions/119080/how-to-update-kernel-to-the-latest-mainline-version-without-any-distro-upgrade
[21:08] <psychoticwarrior> not sure kodaz
[21:08] <multifractal> What version is the latest stable one?
[21:09] <psychoticwarrior> 4.13
[21:09] <psychoticwarrior> i see
[21:09] <psychoticwarrior> or 4.13.2
[21:10] <Kobaz> my video is not working at all for X, so i'm looking for an easy fix for now
[21:10] <Kobaz> corrupted video on gdm
[21:10] <psychoticwarrior> damn
[21:11] <psychoticwarrior> what computer are you using?
[21:11] <Kobaz> an old one
[21:11] <Kobaz> heh
[21:11] <psychoticwarrior> damn thats probably why
[21:11] <psychoticwarrior> if you absolutely cant fix it with your system. i suggest get a new one
[21:11] <Kobaz> haha
[21:12] <psychoticwarrior> lol
[21:12] <Bashing-om> Kobaz: You switch the DE at the login screen - drop down in the icon in the login box .
[21:12] <thnee> dnsmasq seems to claim to read /etc/resolv.conf by default, right? but when it is installed it replaces the existing nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf with 127.0.0.1. How does that work?
[21:12] <Kobaz> Bashing-om: do you have a non-gui way?
[21:12] <thorie> i updated my sources.list to have vivid as CODENAME but im getting `404 Not Found` for http://old-releases.ubuntu.com vivid-updates/main amd64 Packages
[21:12] <Guest34426> Hi! I have installed a version of ubuntu called Ubuntu MATE. What is the difference between this and the regular LTS version?
[21:12] <Kobaz> Bashing-om: and Xorg/Wayland is not the desktop environment, it's the X server
[21:15] <Kobaz> xorg is installed
[21:15] <Kobaz> i guess i could just uninstall wayland
[21:15] <Bashing-om> Kobaz: Should be a way . but I do not know for sure . maybe in grub;s boot menu -> edit the boot line ' systemctl set-default graphical ' sets to what ?
[21:15] <Kobaz> and whatever post removal stuff in the package that runs will update the default compostor
[21:18] <psychoticwarrior> set-default graphical try to edit as pci=nomsi that fixed my system
[21:18] <psychoticwarrior> at the end of the set-fault
[21:18] <psychoticwarrior> default
[21:19] <oerheks> Kobaz, old pc.. old videocard too? wayland does not improve performance on ancient cards
[21:19] <oerheks> lspci | grep VGA # will thell what card
[21:20] <Kobaz> yeah, i know
[21:20] <Kobaz> it's an old nvidia
[21:20] <Kobaz> well the default was wayland
[21:20] <Kobaz> if there's going to be issues i would rather switch to xorg
[21:20] <Kobaz> not super familiar with the ubuntu way of doing that, other than just removing the package
[21:20] <oerheks> wayland default in ubuntu? not on this planet ...
[21:21] <Kobaz> oh.. you know
[21:21] <Kobaz> it may have switched when i did my last upgrade
[21:21] <thorie> anyone know why http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/ doesn't have vivid?
[21:22] <oerheks> thorie, because you should have chosen 'to next LTS'
[21:23] <Bashing-om> thorie: Rephrase the question ? as old-releases only contains the files to upgrade to the supported release .
[21:23] <oerheks> yakkety is also not on that list
[21:25] <thorie> the EOLUpgrades page says change sources.list to the following with CODENAME being your release, e.g. quantal
[21:26] <thorie> my release is vivid, and the one i want to upgrade to is xenial
[21:26] <psychoticwarrior> Run the update-manager application from the Unity Dash or a command line.
[21:26] <psychoticwarrior> In Update Manager, click the Settings... button, and enter your password to start the Software Sources application.
[21:26] <psychoticwarrior> Select the sub menu Updates from the Software Sources application.
[21:26] <psychoticwarrior> sorry mods
[21:26] <oerheks> sad to hear, all you can do is backup data and do a fresh install..
[21:27] <psychoticwarrior> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XenialUpgrades
[21:27] <thorie> oerheks: you mean i need to put xenial in old releases?
[21:27] <Bashing-om> thorie: The path is 15.04 -> 15.10 -> then finally 16.04 .
[21:28] <oerheks> thorie, maybe that works, i would not risc it.
[21:28] <thorie> so wily?
[21:28] <psychoticwarrior> check out softare updates the program and see what it says
[21:28] <psychoticwarrior> if it says to update you can if you want
[21:29] <oerheks> if you have started with a fresh install, after not updating for a year+, you would have been done by now, with you precious deadline
[21:31] <Kobaz> ooooo
[21:31] <thorie> it worked
[21:31] <Kobaz> that's why
[21:31] <Kobaz> i installed gnome
[21:31] <Kobaz> and it switched to xwayland
[21:31] <Kobaz> gnome requires xwayland now?
[21:32] <thorie> im now running apt-get dist-upgrade
[21:32] <Kobaz> yeap
[21:32] <Kobaz> apt-get remove gnome
[21:32] <Kobaz> my video in x works now
[21:33] <Kobaz> any way to get gnome without depending on wayland?
[21:35] <psychoticwarrior> try software updates and check to see if you nee dto update
[21:35] <psychoticwarrior> software and updates too you can update the system
[21:37] <psychoticwarrior> you can reload the cache
[21:42] <TheMontyChrist> I'd like to create a 4GB file and mount a file system on it?
[21:42] <TheMontyChrist> how to?
[21:42] <TheMontyChrist> or what's this called?
[21:44] <oerheks> fallocate -l 4G <name>
[21:46] <oerheks> Navigate to the *.iso file using a file manager, then  Right click -> Open with Archive Mounter.
[21:46] <oerheks> or: sudo mkdir /media/iso && sudo mount -o loop path/to/iso/file/YOUR_ISO_FILE.ISO /media/iso
[22:05] <Kobaz> anyway
[22:05] <Kobaz> so.... anyone know how to get gnome installed without also requiring wayland?
[22:05] <psychoticwarrior> kobaz hows it going
[22:05] <Kobaz> it's going
[22:05] <psychoticwarrior> good
[22:05] <oerheks> xwayland session is an option, default is Xorg
[22:05] <Kobaz> installing kde in the meantime
[22:05] <Kobaz> a million packages
[22:05] <oerheks> so switch back?
[22:06] <Kobaz> oerheks: okay cool.  how do you set the option
[22:06] <oerheks> logout, switch, login
[22:06] <Kobaz> (via shell)
[22:06] <Kobaz> yeah, i can't
[22:06] <Kobaz> video is borked in wayland
[22:06] <oerheks> yes you can ..
[22:06] <Kobaz> video == borked
[22:07] <oerheks> oh now you are trolling. you 'claimed' video worked.
[22:07] <Kobaz> video works when i remove wayland and use xord
[22:07] <Kobaz> how is stating the factual state of affairs of this particular pc... trolling?
[22:07] <Kobaz> ...but if i remove wayland, gnome gets uninstalled with it
[22:08] <Kobaz> so i need a way to switch to xorg, without using any gui tools
[22:08] <oerheks> xwayland session is installed standard, as of 16.04?
[22:08] <oerheks> logout, switch, login
[22:09] <Kobaz> okay, i'll bite
[22:09] <Kobaz> command 'switch' not found
[22:10] <Kobaz> is there any alternatives to this 'switch' method
[22:10] <Kobaz> ?
[22:15] <dG___> I have a question about iptables. afaik, this is not a service and is always "active". Now, this is my currently iptables: https://pastebin.com/u4WDH9VE
[22:15] <dG___> that last line where it should drop any connections from that ip 97.100.10.105 is not working
[22:15] <dG___> what's wrong there?
[22:16] <Kobaz> quite a bit of digging
[22:16] <Kobaz> actually found this on an archlinux site
[22:16] <Kobaz> oerheks: /etc/gdm3/custom.conf... WaylandEnable=false
[22:30] <dG___> does anyone here has experience with iptables?
[22:31] <dG___> ... that can help me with the question I posted above
[22:36] <Kobaz> dG___: well, you're only jumping to f2b-ReqLimit on ports 80,443
[22:37] <Kobaz> so you're only blocking ports 80 and 443 from 97.100.10.105
[22:37] <Kobaz> anything else will go through
[22:39] <Kobaz> if you want to block something no matter what, stick it right in INPUT.. before any ACCEPT's that might let it in
[22:39] <stoner19> anyone know how to ssh into a fresh install of ubuntu-mate? this little guy doesn't have a keyboard/monitor/mouse, etc so I don't really have a way to enable SSH directly on it
[22:42] <TJ-> stoner19: if openssh-server wasn't installed (which should cause it to be started by default) then no
[22:43] <stoner19> well crap
[22:43] <stoner19> guess I better figure out a way to connect this to a monitor and keyboard...
[22:43] <TJ-> stoner19: good case for installing a -server edition of a distro, because openssh-server should be installed by default then
[22:44] <stoner19> unless there is a way to enable it by default
[22:44] <stoner19> well its for a raspberry pi
[22:44] <stoner19> yes, I prefer Ubuntu Server, but Mate was my next best option for a RPi
[22:48] <TJ-> I use Rasbian on all mine
[22:54] <RainMan28> i accidentally deleted my /var/ folder (i know, a very stupid mistake) and am wondering if anyone would be able to assist in restoring it somehow. Thank you.
[22:56] <oerheks> RainMan28, you will need to  backup data & reinstall i am afraid
[22:56] <RainMan28> oerheks: oh ok
[22:57] <oerheks> :-(
[22:57] <kostkon> RainMan28, don't attempt to salvage it, it's pointless
[22:59] <phlux> Hey all, I'm a long-time Linux user and am installing Ubuntu on a friend's laptop, as he would like to learn how to use Linux, and I figure Ubuntu would help ease the learning curve. I would, however, like to avoid installing Unity if at all possible, as a lighter DE/WM would work best (performance) on the machine he's provided me with. Can this be done, or do I need to let the installation go, and remove
[22:59] <phlux> Unity post-install?
[23:01] <kostkon> phlux, use one of the official derivatives, like Xubuntu or Lubuntu
[23:02] <phlux> Oh, those are official? I figured they were forks that weren't supported upstream
[23:03] <oerheks> !flavor
[23:03] <phlux> Interesting. Thank you both :)
[23:08] <psychoticwarrior> unity8 is giving me a lot of bugs. especially with the sound. how do i install KDE currently using default ubuntu
[23:11] <psychoticwarrior> i tried even synaptic
[23:11] <psychoticwarrior> no results
[23:11] <psychoticwarrior> i guess i'll just stay with the default but i need your help
[23:11] <jwarren_> Hey folks, I've got an issue with logs I'm having trouble figuring out. All my logs seem to be delayed anywhere from 5-10 seconds, up to a couple of minutes. This is especially a problem with something like fail2ban, because I'm not seeing the lines in the log in a reasonable time to ban the IP. Any ideas what could be causing the lag in my logs, or if I should check somewhere else? I'm running 16.04 instances in AWS.
[23:12] <glitsj16> up unity
[23:12] <glitsj16> oops, disregard
[23:13] <TJ-> jwarren_: is that via rsyslogd, or systemd-journald ?
[23:14] <jwarren_> TJ- I think it would be systemd-journald? I'm using rsyslog, but only to forward syslog to an Elasticsearch cluster. In this case, auth.log shouldn't be touched by rsyslog I don't think.
[23:14] <psychoticwarrior> unity8 is supposed to still be under development
[23:14] <psychoticwarrior> can someone tell me how to install KDE
[23:15] <psychoticwarrior> ive tried all the commands
[23:15] <jwarren_> psychoticwarrior: Did you try apt install kubuntu-desktop?
[23:15] <TJ-> jwarren_: are the logs on a remote system? it could be caching/buffering
[23:16] <psychoticwarrior> yes i did
[23:16] <psychoticwarrior> it didnt work
[23:16] <psychoticwarrior> says its unable to locate it
[23:17] <jwarren_> TJ-: They're logs local to that EC2 instance, so I don't think they should be buffering or caching.
[23:18] <tgm4883> psychoticwarrior: can you do an 'apt-get update' ?
[23:18] <TJ-> jwarren_: if you 'tail' the log-files is that how you're seeing the delay in events being posted?
[23:18] <TJ-> jwarren_: if write-behind caching is enabled or rsyslogd is configured to batch output that could explain it
[23:19] <jwarren_> TJ- Yes, but also things like fail2ban should be "reacting" to them immediately, right?
[23:19] <psychoticwarrior> yes i tried apt update
[23:19] <psychoticwarrior> it still wont work
[23:20] <kostkon> psychoticwarrior, apt-cache policy kubuntu-desktop
[23:21] <psychoticwarrior> kostkon doesnt work
[23:21] <psychoticwarrior> unable to locate kubuntu-desktop
[23:21] <kostkon> psychoticwarrior, what version of Ubuntu are you on
[23:24] <psychoticwarrior> im running 17.04
[23:24] <TJ-> jwarren_: I don't use fail2ban but as I recall it reads the log-file to determine what to ban? Do I have that correct?
[23:24] <psychoticwarrior> 17.04
[23:24] <Spec> TJ-: yes
[23:24] <jwarren_> TJ- Correct
[23:25] <tgm4883> psychoticwarrior: show us the output of 'apt update'
[23:25] <TJ-> jwarren_: so buffered/write-behind logs would cause fail2ban to react late
[23:25] <jwarren_> TJ- I was mistaken, my auth log is being handled by rsyslog, not journald.
[23:25] <psychoticwarrior> apt install kubuntu-desktop
[23:25] <psychoticwarrior> Reading package lists... Done
[23:25] <psychoticwarrior> Building dependency tree
[23:25] <psychoticwarrior> Reading state information... Done
[23:25] <psychoticwarrior> E: Unable to locate package kubuntu-desktop
[23:25] <kostkon> psychoticwarrior, cat /etc/apt/sources.list && ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[23:25] <tgm4883> !pastebin | psychoticwarrior
[23:26] <tgm4883> psychoticwarrior: I'd also point out that "apt install kubuntu-desktop' and 'apt update' are too completely different commands
[23:26] <TJ-> jwarren_: do you have rsyslogd filtering the iptables logging into a separate file or is it amongst the regular kernel logging
[23:27] <psychoticwarrior> i cant post it right now
[23:27] <tgm4883> psychoticwarrior: why not?
[23:27] <psychoticwarrior> idk im having trouble with it
[23:28] <jwarren_> TJ-: I'm not sure I understand the question. Rsyslog is set to log auth.* to auth.log. Fail2ban just reads auth.log for patterns.
[23:28] <TJ-> jwarren_: have you tried locating a log-file on a tmpfs (RAM) file-system to isolate the issue from being caused by the block-device storing the log files?
[23:28] <tgm4883> psychoticwarrior: run 'sudo apt update | nc termbin.com 9999' then paste the link
[23:28] <jwarren_> TJ- Aaaahhhh! I hadn't thought of that.
[23:29] <TJ-> jwarren_: ahhh OK, I seemed to recall many years ago fail2ban read the kernel log - it depends where syslog is filtering the messages to though I guess
[23:29] <psychoticwarrior> https://pastebin.com/79FpDzqt
[23:29] <TJ-> jwarren_: last time I recall playing with it was around the year 2000!
[23:30] <kostkon> psychoticwarrior, yeap, old release, obvious (your error messages) is obvious
[23:30] <psychoticwarrior> what do i do to fix it
[23:30] <tgm4883> kostkon: that's not an old release
[23:31] <jwarren_> TJ-: Thanks for the idea about block storage. I'll play around with that.
[23:31] <kostkon> tgm4883, my error
[23:31] <tgm4883> psychoticwarrior: you need to enable the universe repository
[23:31] <tgm4883> !repos | psychoticwarrior
[23:32] <TJ-> jwarren_: good look with it, let us know the solution (have you considered its delays in the AWS instances themselves)
[23:32] <kostkon> tgm4883, probably upgraded from 15.10
[23:32] <tgm4883> kostkon: yep he probably did. What's odd is the old partner repo that enabled at the bottom. In any case, his problem is that the universe repo isn't enabled
[23:34] <psychoticwarrior> ok i think i got it to work
[23:34] <psychoticwarrior> enabled the universe repo
[23:34] <psychoticwarrior> so far im installing
[23:40] <psychoticwarrior> i should of known to use universe but im still learning
[23:54] <promet_> My Ubuntu 16.04 backup util is complaining of a root owned folder in my homedir that can't be backed up, some root privileged process seems to be creating a Perl cpan.pm related ".cpan" folder intermittently in my homedir. Anyone have an idea who the culprit might be?