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 Guys In make step, after the kernel built successfully, I'n not able to build the further steps giving me errors : https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/YrEBe4qjF~bj241HhvLuGA
 @thepeter, Have you have links of them?
 @Flohack, Which extension has ex-Ubuntu Phone apps? … .deb?
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[03:43] <tgBot10> <Vishnu Gs> using mdt I got this error messge and my one plus on does not reboot from fastboot mode to bootloader sudo: ubuntu-device-flash: command not found
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 Welcome Vishnu for mdt problem please use the telegram channel dedicated to mdt.
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 Guys I'm getting an error when trying to build : https://paste.mozilla.org/cuW6ThoNeZiaCjcn
 gcc-7.2
 @aki237, Any ideas?
 Hai can i install ubsport in my xiaomi device?
 @Mushelpi, No
 So wich phone can to install ubsport?
 https://ubports.com/page/get-ubuntu-touch
 core devices are the ones to go for, unless you want to develop yourself ;)
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 Love that you guys are keeping Ubuntu Touch alive, any plans to support tablets?
 @capnjackcanon, For sure.  Eventually...
 I thoguht one of them might be working or nearly but yeah people are on it.
 and welcome to the group!
 Thanks Wayne
[06:49] <tgBot10> cls006 was added by: xv8vxp
 @xv8vxp, .click
 @xv8vxp, .deb you can use in libertine container
 @capnjackcanon, We're already supporting the Bq M10 HD and FHD tablets
 @Stereofont, It was really helpful going to a new city for me... Or knowing new places in my town
 @Stereofont, Yeah! They don't change, but you and your phone would change location often and you need to know what's available in your current location ;)
 @Stereofont, Depends on how much restaurants you want to store. Sounds like a several-GB deal
 @Lorxu, That is true for sure. Could be 10Gb. I find hotels, cafes, bus stops offline. At that storage price. An event or a new restaurant needs online, for sure
 For me, the priority of aggregation is ephemeral information. That which is now. Weather, news, currency, exhibition, delays
 @Lorxu, we have 2GIS in Russia which provides offline navigation with places
 maps are usually tens of mb, except maybe Moscow
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 @Flohack, @Flohack I watched the video. I have to say that after latest update the time lag seems to have been slightly reduced, if I'm not wrong; before was terrible. Is there a chance to improve any further to how Telegram works on Android or there are different technical issues difficult to overcome yet?
 @Matteo, Of course there is much to improve. For example version 3 has a builtin cache. Now it goes constantly to the database to fetch new content. thats very slow
 But version 3 (upstream Cutegram) is a major rework. But we consider going this way
 @Flohack, 👍 thank you for the answer. By the way, I want to say that you are doing a great job with that and so all the UBports team
 Thanks :)
 In case you didn't know this project and this developpe ;) http://konstakang.com/devices/rpi3/CM14.1/
 @paletuco, wow
 installing Ubuntu with libhybris layer on device with native Linux support is going to be overkill though :)
 @Flohack, That was still far better then telegram 1. … How much of this is problems with Ubuntu Phone being slow and needing changes to make it fast? … I mean, it still takes a bit of time to open apps, so I could see some of the issue being the OS  rather then the app. … Is there any chance that we could have apps as fast, fluid, and feature full as android? … I dont mean just telegram, I also mean things like the file manager, sm
 I suppose Android Telegram has some optimizations not to include all the loaded chat messages into render tree, but simulate scrolling
 like infinite scrolling is implemented in web (far away elements removed from DOM tree, but height is faked to account for this)
 @PhoenixLandPirate, Qt5.9 will help somewhat there with the startup time optimisations, although some of that gain maybe from the commercial qml compiler. The QmlEngine/scenegraph is expensive to create rougly 30mb last i checked and then you need to load the UI on top. This can still be pretty fast if you have a very minimal UI and toolkit dependencies (think petals app) but most apps don't have that.
 @DanChapman, Yeah I heard that Qt5.9 will make things faster.
 Apps do load a LOT faster then they did even just one year ago
 Also, scrolling performance heavily depends on the way the UI components are written. A lot of the recent activities on telegram-app were about reducing the complexity of those message bubbles in the chat view: since they are created on demand, they need to be very light
 Guys while porting : I have this error : … ```make: *** No rule to make target 'libqmi', needed by '/home/aki237/phablet/out/target/product/ham/obj/EXECUTABLES/wpa_supplicant_intermediates/config.o'.  Stop.```
 The final build error by the way
 @sverzegnassi, yeah listviews are tricky with dynamically sized items
 Sorry I'm new on Ubuntu touch and I have another question : is there any WhatsApp client for Ubuntu touch?
 @SoulFreezer, Unfortunately no, it is proptietary code and protocol ...
 @paletuco, Awesome!
 @sverzegnassi, I've just realised, how can I contribute to translation of apps in openstore? Won't there be an unified way (at least suggested) to handle internationalization? 🙂
 alot of the apps are possibly still translated on launchpad.
 the coreapps, openstore and dekko are on translate.ubports.com
 @SoulFreezer, You can try loquiIM.
 Ugh ... okay then, starting to feel like I have too many logins again :)
 @DanChapman, There I've done what I could, you know, no new thing to add :)
 @SoulFreezer, you can use loquiIM, untill I know it's still beta, but it's functional. Anyway, since whatsapp it's private, and in order of the terms of use, your number can be baned from their service if you do things like use other than not ofcicial apps. … You also can use a old phone, use whatsapp there and connect your ubuntu phone through web whatsapp.
 Loqui IM works (mostly). Group-chat you can receive messages but can't send any (due to group-encryption issues)
 @DanChapman You implemented notifications in Dekko, I was wondering. … SMS, and some other system apps have options where you can reply,dismiss, snooze, etc, in the notification bubble, are you able to take advantage of that feature atm, or do notifications need some modificastions before you can do more things with them?
 @thepeter, You could check in OpenStore (from the web UI it's probably easier) if an app has specified something in the 'Source URL' field. As Dan said, many apps are still hosted on launchpad.net, so there's some chance that those apps are also using the Rosetta translation service.
 Thanks for all the answers
 We could eventually consider to add a further field in OpenStore, so that developers can specify the URL where people can contribute with translations ^^
 I think you can add "actions" to the notification object which will dispatch url's. With libmessaging-menu you can add define an action type and callback so i presume it will work similar to that. I haven't really looked into it properly yet though
 @PhoenixLandPirate ^
 @aki237, Any ideas about this error.
 @PhoenixLandPirate In dekko's case i don't think having a reply action is worthwhile as you don't get enough of the message body (if any) to even make a reply. Unless you have conversations using the subject only 😃 (new form of IM) But i can see value in a mark read, delete or spam action
 @DanChapman, Thats fair enough, I just think actions in notifications can be very useful, android has them now. … You can reply to telegram via notifications, PIA has "stop" "pause VPN" and "Change server" … screenshots have "Share" "Delete" … So having more notification options would be very nice in my PO.
 @DanChapman, Yeah, definitly, delete and mark as read, or star, would be pretty useful. … Then when you open dekko you can go straight to the stared email.
 would you really star an unread email?
 yes
 I can't see why anyone would
 😃
 if I see it's an email from my work and im on the weekend
 so I don't want to miss that, but I also wouldn't read it
 @DanChapman, If I see its from someone important, but I dont have time to read it.
 exactly
 Or perhaps I should just tell github to stop sending me emails x'D
 yeah, you will see the notification anyways
 but that's not the only case for sure xd
 Ok fair point, i suppose 😊  … I wonder how many actions you can fit in a notification...
 archive and reply would be enough
 for me
 noted
 as if i don't want to deal with an email — i can just dismiss the notification
 and then manage it from the app later
 @mariogrip why sdcard not detected quickly ? when connected my phone to PC, only internal storage detected (MTP mode) , sdcard take long time(more then 10 mns), but the good its mount. If you have any idea plz guide me how to solve it BR
 Yeah that's what i would do. Just leave it unread and dismiss it. Anything i'm not interested in I can mark as read in the notification
 and if i see something like increase the size of your penis, i want to archive it instantly, so it wont get in my way when i use the app
 so it makes sense to have archive
 there shouldn't be too much clutter in the notification, it will render things unusable
 @vanyasem, Thats the only kind of email I respond to tbh
 archiving is a tricky one to provide as most people do it differently. My plan for that is "do it like thunderbird" and hope that format is what most people use. gmail is a special cupcake here and needs different treatment but other email serveers/services are open to interpretation
 @DanChapman, I've only seen 2, so it might be 2 atm, but with that being said, we might be able to add a third option for those that want/need it
 Btw, dekko2 notifications do not open the app or the mail...
 comin in the next update
 Ok! Nice!
 How come it's called Dekko 2? … How come you dont just call it Dekko? … Is that something you'll do when Dekko 2 becomes more stable?
 Indeed, it just to prevent it removing the old dekko until it becomes stable enough to replace.
 or once canonical store closes, which ever comes first
 Hello
 I bought an oneplus one phone...
 The camera and GPS are stille not Wieling?
 Stil
 Still not working?
 @jakko, Camera isnt
 OTA 3 camera should work
 @PhoenixLandPirate, GPS is working?
 @jakko, Couldnt tell you, I never use GPS
 Is there a simple grid somewhere with features working versus device?
 telegram for ubuntu touch supports supergroups?
 @PhoenixLandPirate, 👍
 @uzugu, Unless something changed since the last time I used it a few months ago: no
 thanks
 @uzugu, I think Web version does. Not the app
 I tried to install knowndict as suport .dict files
 as not longer available on the stores, I dowloaded the code from launchpad
 after compiling, I try to install and I got the error 'Cannot install knowndict.click: Signature verification error: debsig: Origin Signature check failed. This deb might not be signed.'
 any idea what I did wrong?
 did you use the `--allow-untrusted` flag when install ing?
 No! I m going to try!
 I guess with pkcon?
 I get a new error
 Cannot install /home/phablet/Downloads/knowndict.click: Invalid character "_" in "name" entry: @APP_ID@
 I guess somethig related to the source compilation?
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 Is it normal that https://translate.ubports.com/ is horribly slow?
 #audiocast @wayneoutthere  … https://www.fastcompany.com/40435064/what-alan-kay-thinks-about-the-iphone-and-technology-now … This is an interview of Alan Kay, the creator of the concept for the first truly mobile computer. It was a device meant to help students parse information from distinct sources, learn about computers, and otherwise improve education. He's upset that today's mobile devices are little more than personal televisions
[13:13] <tgBot10> of endless consumption.
 @sverzegnassi, okay, so I count 367 apps there, right? I've logged in but can't find any kind of sort by (to find out which are most important to check translations)
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 Hello everybody!
 This is the right place to pose silly questions concerning the development of Ubuntu phone apps, am I right? 😁
 I have two of them: Is there some information out there, how to install and use a toolchain for building apps as well as testing them without using the Ubuntu SDK?
 And second can someone point me to an example, how to use a native openGl(es) context (in the qt context...)?
 @thepeter, We don't publicly expose information about most downloaded apps yet. However I can provide you a list from 1st to 20th, since it was part of my talk at UbuCon Europe: … 1. OpenStore … 2. UT Tweak Tool … 3. Telegram … 4. WiFi Scanner … 5. Gallery … 6. uNav … 7. Bluetooth File Transfer … 8. TweakGeek (unsupported) … 9. Falcon … 10. UBports Welcome App … 11. OSM Scout … 12. Calendar … 13. Beru … 14. Fishy Sho
[15:13] <tgBot10> Terminal … 16. Indicator Weather … 17. File Manager … 18. Compass … 19. LoquiIM … 20. OwnCloud Sync
 @sverzegnassi, Thx a lot, will go by this list for start with translations :)
 Please mind that usually developers write here or in the OpenStore group when new translations are available. If there is something new, you will surely know :)
[15:38] <tgBot10> el_namor was added by: el_namor
 @neothethird ty for accepting my pr on github mines. when will the update come out?
 i'm not fammiliar with how openstore works
 I'm trying to install Ubuntu touch in my bq Aquaris E5hd but the magic-device-tool doesn't work
 It download the recovery but not the image
 @SoulFreezer, Please follow-up to the magic device tool telegram group ;)
 @sverzegnassi, Yep I am checking the forum and recently joined openstore telegram group 🙂
 Great! Nice to get you on board!
 @Flohack, Is there a list of telegram groups ubports is using? 🙂
 No dont think so =)
 Also magic device tool is not part of ubports, dont forget that ;)
 @sverzegnassi, thanks :) I am glad to be part of this movement as much as I can
 @sverzegnassi where is the link to the openstore group? the link on open.uappexplorer.com leads to this group. I'm sure i used to already be in the group. Must have left at some point by accident.
 @Flohack, Oh, didn't know that :)
 @DanChapman, https://telegram.me/joinchat/BMTh8AHtOL2foXLulmqDxw
 cheers!
 @sverzegnassi, You were faster 👍
 But true ... footer link points to supergroup @sverzegnassi maybe it could be good to fix that one :)
 yep, the real link is buried inside a sub-page :/
 will try to push a PR to OpenStore, so Brian can review it
 Cool
 Thanks to @nfsprodriver and @sverzegnassi we got a HUGE update done for the file manager: https://github.com/ubports/filemanager-app/pull/7
 @Flohack, It isn't yet done! I'm still removing unused or deprecated stuff from source code.... such a pain! 😆😆
 Anyway, all the kudos goes to @nfsprodriver - he did a great job! 👍
 Interesting,  how is it that ubuntuopenstore group is show also on ubuntu but supergroup and halium is not ...
 Dear All, we unfortunately got a bug with the browser update in rc on the BQ E5. I would need confirmation of rc´s browser on E4.5, MX4, etc... all kind of legacy devices: https://github.com/ubports/ubports-touch/issues/247
 The OpenStore one is still a normal group, while the current Ubuntu Telegram app does not support supergroups
 @sverzegnassi, OIC thanks
 In the last Ubucon Paris I gave a programming workshop with Ubuntu Touch
 You can see the presentation at this link: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B1tk1v5ejGZzY2VKWWh0cWhHTVk
 @DanChapman, I blame @Flohack for that one 😜
 I'll upload the virtual course machine at the end of the week. Includes everything you need to start programming with the SDK
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/3yuwyLTO/file_587.webp
 @bhdouglass, whaaat 😆
 I do recall a pull request or two from you 😄
 @bhdouglass, lol
 Well we can mention all relevant groups there
 I just was thinking at this time we should promote the ubports group a bit ;)
 @vanyasem, well thank you for the pr :) i have to build it manually, wanted to publish tonight
 ok, ty, i just wanted to know what the process is
 it's a manual process, at least for now
 is there any way to configure CI?
 yep, it's planned to put at least the core apps on ci.ubports.com, but not done yet
 GitLab has a nice free CI using docker and there is also a way to install your own custom runner with any config
 I use self-hosted GitLab CI to build my android apps
 and publish them
 @vanyasem, I doubt it will handle the gross build process that is necessary to build the apps and the core OS 😆
 hmm, we're using jenkins for all the rest, so we might keep it all in one place
 you can self-host a runner
 it couldn't handle my build (7 mins work time and constant crashes)
 so i bought a cheap "перделка" VPS and just configured it as a native runner
 native = no virtualization, just pure shell (no docker, for example)
 yeah, there are probably many tools for the job, but jenkins works for the rest, and canonical used it as well
 @vanyasem, not it takes less a little more than a minute to build and publish
 @neothethird, i'm just sharing my experience
 i also have my repos on gitlab, so it's really handy for me, as you get all kinds of integrations
 like auto-merge the branch if a pipeline succeeds
 etc
[16:54] <tgBot10> Sachin3200 was added by: Sachin3200
 @Sachin3200, welcome
 thanks
[17:01] <David123> Is a fix for the recovery bluescreen on FP2 available?
 Seems like a hardware issue. No update from Fairphone yet to my knowledge
 Has a build of TWRP or CM recovery started working, David123
[17:24] <tgBot10> Thomas Souteyrat was added by: Thomas Souteyrat
 @Thomas Souteyrat, welcome Thomas
[17:25] <tgBot10> <Thomas Souteyrat> Hi guys
 @sverzegnassi, When it will be ?
 I just saved the application list as UbuCon-Europe-2017.txt
 @hwpplayer1, Don't know honestly. @bhdouglass and I had a first conversation about this, however the reality is that download numbers are pretty useless at the moment.
 The 20th app in the store got something more than 1100 downloads, numbers are still small :)
 Yeah downloads are a useless metric as a total number, because the counts every version's downloads. Fishy shooter cheats the system by having a million version's 😜
 @Flohack and @sverzegnassi latest PR broke the FM app in loading. `void DirModel::setPath(const QString&, const QString&, const QString&, bool) FolderListModelBackend_QMLTYPE_103(0x161e9b8) Ignoring path change request, QML is not ready yet`
 Any idea? My attempt was successless.
 Can you give a bit of context? That output just says that FolderListModel started to spam requests before all the properties are set up
 Can you anyway see the list of folders as usual?
 No, there an infinite loading circle.
 Let me check... are you testing on the phone, right?
 Yes
 How would it run on a Nexus 5X
 @whig4life, ?
 Ubuntu Touch.
 @vanyasem, Ubuntu Touch.
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/Y7K4Injl/file_589.jpg
 there's no Ubuntu Touch for 5x yet
 Fwd from Stereofont: Ivan Semkin: … see https://devices.ubports.com
 @vanyasem, 5x speaks for itself
 Is there some way that we could better show supported devices? I've noticed these questions a lot lately.
 Welcome bot spamming this into the group? 😆
 I considered it.
 Nah maybe the link on the homepage should be called Supported Devices
 Its currently not clear where you can see this info
 Hmm, what did we do differently on the old site that made it better...
 Maybe one could pin a message containing the current supported devices? That would at least solve the problem for the Telegram group
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/0ZkscO3n/file_591.jpg Had to use the wayback machine for this.
 What about showing a massive "Download" call-to-action, which opens the devices page?
 I mean, I'm just checking https://maruos.com/#/ and it seems to be a dummy-proof solution
 I'm not sure if you want to act like a smartphone OS is a dummy-proof solution
 Because people WILL flash it and then cry at you because they lost all their files
 Hmm... At that point, do we say RTFM?
 We can't protect everyone from themselves
 ^^
 @UniversalSuperBox, More interest now I suspect. Not a better link on the past…
 Still, it's grating to answer the same question over and over again.
 @UniversalSuperBox, I understand the frustration and difficulty of staying fresh but if this is first point of contact it needs to be friendly and upbeat
 Sure, I agree. Guess helpdesk is getting to me.
 Imagine working for an airline and being forced to smile at 3000 customers a day 😱
 ick
 Not that I ever have done myself…
 My guess is that people would respond to a short video explainer but not necessarily go and RTFM
 UBbot the movie. Needs an animator
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/C7XLSSx5/file_592.webp
 @UniversalSuperBox, You're still doing great job at it
 Well pinned mesage with it would be the probably best, bot would be too anoying I guess
 @UniversalSuperBox, We cannot protect anybody from themselves 😇
 @Flohack, +1
 @mimecar, This is great thanks, is there also video of it?
[20:35] <tgBot10> * thepeter feels alone somehow in middle of 748 members group
 @thepeter, Welcome to my world
 @Lorxu, Uhm let's then make a change to it 😎
 @uzugu, Have you the link to download it? … Or upload here.
 Well!! I'm getting a mac to flash to UBports. Where is the today's scope???
 @xv8vxp, Do you mean the app for ubuntu touch?
 @Flohack, Telegram group links please. 🙏
 @Jaume81, like a mac notebook/computer?
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 Yes, I use the tool to flash and it's right
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 @Jaume81, Wow I want to see that, I really do
 The tool from ubport's web.
 @sverzegnassi, Why?
 The ubication is only by gps, why?
 In Dekko2 doesn't appears the keyboard
 @Jaume81, Yes is a bug.
 @Jaume81, @DanChapman msybe?
 @xv8vxp, We're still far from the 200 members limitation, so we don't need to upgrade the group yet. This way, you can still access the group from an Ubuntu phone :)
 @sverzegnassi, And if we are over 200 it will disapear?
 Message from Telegram devs: We arrived at API level 41, which contains supergroup support. Currently looking into compile/build issues but the first lib compiled already. The countdown for supergroups can begin ;)
 @Flohack, Such spoiler 😆
 ^^
 @Flohack, 10
 9
 @Flohack, while 1: +1
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/dm0u0Em4/file_593.mp4
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/JIq6r7jF/file_594.mp4
 @Flohack, f*** YEAH!!!
 BANANAAAA!!!
 @Flohack, Stupid question, how easy it would be to get Ubuntu touch telegram app on plasma phone? Can it be built as a deb? What are requirements for it?
 @Flohack, Don't want to soil the moment but, this is real? but only for rc in bq5? Not the stable, yep?
 https://open.uappexplorer.com/app/com.ubuntu.telegram
 @bhushanshah, There is deb for desktop
 @xv8vxp, Is it updated with the last Telegram features?
 (Photo, 480x854) https://irc.ubports.com/etgRQh3i/file_596.jpg
 (Photo, 480x854) https://irc.ubports.com/XAsYdEuE/file_598.jpg
 hum taliking about it. plasma and UT can use same apps?
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/Nzc8gZeG/file_599.webp
 @j2g2rp, Like, the same store? that I doupt, but on ubports in libertine container you can install and run deb
 don't know, i never used plasma 😂
 i mean, i don't know which store have plasma mobile
 @j2g2rp, me neither
 (Sticker, 510x512) https://irc.ubports.com/oFJcuYbZ/file_600.webp
 @bhushanshah, I thought PM had native support for Ubuntu Touch apps?
 @UniversalSuperBox, Not native really, they just worked at some point (before I started maintaining plasma mobile) and now I've no clue how they worked
 Aha, the website was updated to say "Potentially running [...] Ubuntu Touch (.click) apps"
 (Sticker, 392x512) https://irc.ubports.com/l00UHD9T/file_601.webp
 You'd need to be able to use the Ubuntu UI Toolkit first.
 Then, there's the question of packaging. How does PM package its apps?
 There are no app bundles well
 hmm?
 It's just native Linux apps
 But how are they packaged?
 How do they get onto the phone?
 @bhushanshah, Based on debian or what distro?
 Or just compiled?
 Deb
 Okay. Some of the core apps are packaged as .debs in our ppa. Let me grab one for you.
 @bhushanshah, That was my tip
 @bhushanshah, What is PM currently based on? 16.04?
 Yeah xenial
 Hmm.
 That could cause problems
 dialer-app is sitting in here: https://launchpad.net/~ubports-developers/+archive/ubuntu/overlay?field.series_filter=vivid
 @bhushanshah, it's only built for vivid right now so you'd have ABI incompatibility. I also don't know if the UITK is running on 16.04 very well.
 maybe with snaps  we can "share" apps between plataforms?🤔
 I don't think they're quite that magical.
 😂
 @j2g2rp, Well if they have the support gor it
 @UniversalSuperBox thanks for links, though won't be able to try them right now.. currently on crappy airport wifi
 I also don't know if the UITK will work under Wayland. Honestly I don't understand how the Qt/Plasma stack works overall.
 @j2g2rp, It would be like uding debs on gentoo
 More in-depth questions about the UITK might be answered by @jsalatas
 @thepeter, Not quite. It's more a question of compatibility of binaries and toolkits.
 While snaps are magical, I don't think they're that magical.
[21:39] <tgBot10> raphael default was added by: raphael default
 Hello there
 some kind of sorcery?
 (Sticker, 512x384) https://irc.ubports.com/SBJ9uYnD/file_602.webp
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/h4XjUuYF/file_603.mp4
 @UniversalSuperBox, Are ghey kind of above distros?
 @UniversalSuperBox, It will work. :)
 I understand they have packed all libs inside but still...
 Grand.
 There's your answer @bhushanshah
 Also, @jsalatas has been working on getting things like the UITK built with Qt 5.9 (I hope I got that right) packaged for 16.04. You might be able to use them.
 @UniversalSuperBox, I'm actually pushing to git now. Will publish the package later today (you should see a blog post in our site about this and other yunit project updates) ;)
 (Photo, 1280x636) https://irc.ubports.com/oitXE3aZ/file_605.jpg
 Yay, I got it right!
 (That's really what mattered the most to me. :P )
 And here is a screenshot of yunit running in KDE Neon
 some kde apps (kate and konsole) seem to be able to run natively (ie no Xmir) under yunit ;)
 Black magic.
 Nope. This isn't magic. This is just software engineering :p
 and after this distraction, I guess I messed up with git 😢
 BTW: This was an early test of yunit running under weston. Code needed some modification whixh might affect touch events (if I remember correct).
 (Photo, 1280x730) https://irc.ubports.com/9440ISer/file_606.jpg Yunit running under weston
 @jsalatas, holy fu... this is awesome ... by the way can you check if the memory consumtion with the new qt5.9 is lower than with 5.6
 @delijati, I cannot tell with 5.6 but I just compared yunit in 16.04 in Qt 5.7.1 and Qt 5.9.1 and there isn't any difference: … with Qt 5.7.1 and logged in in Yunit used memory was 829MB … in the same machine (after updating it to QT 5.9.1) used memory was 823MB … You  could say that there is about 0.7% improvement in memory usage 😜
 @jsalatas Once Qt 5.9.2 comes out, we'll get that in Artful, and likely stick to that for 18.04
 Fwiw
 Yeah! That would be great!
 BTW: Qt 5.9.1 anf yunit packages for 16.04 is in our repo (just finished uploading these), so it's up to UBPorts team to decide if they upgrade to it or stick with their current codebase until 18.04 is out
 @jsalatas Well 16.04 is technically supported until 2021 if I did the math right
 So you guys have some time
 But I would recommend going to 18.04 once 18.04.1 is released, that way a lot of the bugs can be ironed out before you move your whole stack to it
 Exactly! I guess the crucial part here for UBPorts is if they have the rest of the mobile parts (halium etc) ready. Also I guess there should be some planning about it as many of the mobile applications in the openstore need to be migrated to Qt 5.9.
 But yeah, you can depend on using Qt 5.9 for at least the next 6 months to a year... I would also recommend sticking to the LTS Qt
 So maybe a 16.04 based dev version with Qt 5.9 might be a good decision which will give time to app developers to migrate and test their apps against 5.9, while waiting for 18.04 to come out. At least this seems the way I would choose :\
 That's logical
 Waiting for the 18.04 point release would be prudent as well
 Which would come... October 2018?
 January 2019 iirc
 But I could be totally off
 @UniversalSuperBox, April (04) 2018 :p
 Nono, the point release. 18.04.1
 @jsalatas, No, that's just 18.04
 @tsimonq2, I'm lost :\ … We are talking about 18.04. right? :\
 No, we're talking about 18.04.1
 isn't 18.04  the next ubuntu LTS?
 Yes
 @jsalatas, Yes. And then it gets five point releases.
 Point releases bring (irrelevant for us) kernel bumps and other bug fixes
 @UniversalSuperBox, July 2018 if it does what Xenial did
 Ref: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseSchedule
 Damn it, xenial
 Sooo, 10 months 😁
 Remember how we were talking about UT app compatibility with PM?
 :P
 PM???? :\
 Plasma mobile
 Ok, so I'm wondering, on the side of app developers... why would 16.04 with Qt 5.9 be drastically different than 18.04 with 5.9?
 Probably nothing but ABI changes
 probably
 @UniversalSuperBox, ...but it's the same Qt? ABI shouldn't change unless @jsalatas f***ed up the Qt 5.9 backporting to Xenial :P (unlikely)
 @tsimonq2, It wouldn't be different. And that's why I proposed that UBPorts should have a 16.04 + 5.9.1 version as fast as possible
 @jsalatas, Oh, good idea
 Also, 5.9.2 should really be ABI compatible with 5.9.1
 - current discussion … - … - my head … - … -
 @tsimonq2, Yeap!
 @UniversalSuperBox, Binary compatible, if it isn't ABI compatible, it needs a no-change rebuild against the new library to pick up the new libraries or Things Will Break.
 Ah
 @jsalatas Do you guys currently ship any additional patches in the Qt source that Ubuntu (well, Debian really) can grab to reduce the delta between Yunit's Qt packages and Debian/Ubuntu's? … Because ideally once the rebasing to 18.04 is done, you guys could just do the Qt work in Ubuntu. I plan on getting 5.9.3 etc. SRUed in to the LTS release and getting bugfixes in the stable release so nothing bitrots.
 https://twitter.com/Puri_sm/status/909488108281921537
 Have any of the ubports people spoken to Purism?
 @popeydc, Well the phone should run with Halium so UBPorts should really work with no issue on there (iirc)
 @UniversalSuperBox  in summary:  I just published packages (and push the code to git) for qt 5.9.1 + yunit + 16.04.  … The discussion here is if UBPorts should update to this (16.04 + qt5.9.1 + yunit) or should wait for 18.04 which will have qt 5.9.x. My proposal here is that for now you can create a dev version using 16.04 + qt5.9.1 + yunit (that will give time to app developers to migrate their apps to qt 5.9) and ddecide later (when 18.04 is o
[23:29] <tgBot10> you want to stick to stick to 16.04 or upgrade to 18.04
 @popeydc, But yeah, good idea to talk with them
 @tsimonq2, Not the question I asked :)
 They are asking for contact
 @mariogrip? ^^^^^
 I'll ask again tomorrow when people are awake
 @jsalatas, Out of curiosity, where are your Qt packages?
 @popeydc, No, we have not
 Ok.lets make contact?
 @tsimonq2, I tried not to use any additional patches in qt. The exception is that I just backported to 5.9.1 two bug fixes (QTBUG-61741 and QTBUG-62584) which will be available in 5.9.2
 @jsalatas, Ah ok, ack
 Did you have to make any changes to make it work in 16.04?
 @tsimonq2, https://github.com/yunit-io
 @tsimonq2, I don't remember :\ … maybe just tweaking with the versions of some dependencies :\
 @popeydc, Yes! We have been talking about it, but we have been holding it, but it think it would be really nice to contact them now before the crowdfounding ends, will ask the others in the team what they think
 I poked them on Twitter
 As a number of people have mentioned it
 @popeydc, Awesome! :)
 @tsimonq2, It'll run without halium
 That's the beauty
 @popeydc, Haven't seen that until now. That's very neat.
 I have seen a number of people ask them about using an is which was actually designed for phones....
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/SORZ8C7n/file_608.jpg
 Their trajectory is good this week
 Hello all. I am having some issues with installing touch on a nexus 5. The COST tool will not recognise the phone when you set it to recovery mode.
 *cpt
 Dang it now my n4 won't boot...