[00:25] Project daily-hammerhead build #323: SUCCESS in 11 min: http://ci.ubports.com/job/daily-hammerhead/323/ [00:27] Project ota-push build #1023: SUCCESS in 1 min 46 sec: http://ci.ubports.com/job/ota-push/1023/ [02:54] Guys In make step, after the kernel built successfully, I'n not able to build the further steps giving me errors : https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/YrEBe4qjF~bj241HhvLuGA [03:32] @thepeter, Have you have links of them? [03:33] @Flohack, Which extension has ex-Ubuntu Phone apps? … .deb? [03:40] Vishnu Gs was added by: Vishnu Gs [03:43] using mdt I got this error messge and my one plus on does not reboot from fastboot mode to bootloader sudo: ubuntu-device-flash: command not found [04:09] yaseenferoz was added by: yaseenferoz [04:18] Welcome Vishnu for mdt problem please use the telegram channel dedicated to mdt. [04:27] Project vivid-rootfs-armhf build #130: SUCCESS in 2.5 sec: http://ci.ubports.com/job/vivid-rootfs-armhf/130/ [04:27] Project ota-push build #1024: SUCCESS in 0.44 sec: http://ci.ubports.com/job/ota-push/1024/ [04:45] Guys I'm getting an error when trying to build : https://paste.mozilla.org/cuW6ThoNeZiaCjcn [04:47] gcc-7.2 [05:20] @aki237, Any ideas? [05:26] Hai can i install ubsport in my xiaomi device? [05:57] @Mushelpi, No [06:10] So wich phone can to install ubsport? [06:12] https://ubports.com/page/get-ubuntu-touch [06:13] core devices are the ones to go for, unless you want to develop yourself ;) [06:22] capnjackcanon was added by: capnjackcanon [06:23] Love that you guys are keeping Ubuntu Touch alive, any plans to support tablets? [06:45] @capnjackcanon, For sure. Eventually... [06:46] I thoguht one of them might be working or nearly but yeah people are on it. [06:46] and welcome to the group! [06:47] Thanks Wayne [06:49] cls006 was added by: xv8vxp [07:02] @xv8vxp, .click [07:15] @xv8vxp, .deb you can use in libertine container [07:16] @capnjackcanon, We're already supporting the Bq M10 HD and FHD tablets [07:46] @Stereofont, It was really helpful going to a new city for me... Or knowing new places in my town [07:49] @Stereofont, Yeah! They don't change, but you and your phone would change location often and you need to know what's available in your current location ;) [07:51] @Stereofont, Depends on how much restaurants you want to store. Sounds like a several-GB deal [08:04] @Lorxu, That is true for sure. Could be 10Gb. I find hotels, cafes, bus stops offline. At that storage price. An event or a new restaurant needs online, for sure [08:07] For me, the priority of aggregation is ephemeral information. That which is now. Weather, news, currency, exhibition, delays [08:19] @Lorxu, we have 2GIS in Russia which provides offline navigation with places [08:19] maps are usually tens of mb, except maybe Moscow [08:23] Project daily-fp2 build #341: SUCCESS in 13 min: http://ci.ubports.com/job/daily-fp2/341/ [08:24] Project ota-push build #1025: SUCCESS in 1 min 9 sec: http://ci.ubports.com/job/ota-push/1025/ [09:11] @Flohack, @Flohack I watched the video. I have to say that after latest update the time lag seems to have been slightly reduced, if I'm not wrong; before was terrible. Is there a chance to improve any further to how Telegram works on Android or there are different technical issues difficult to overcome yet? [09:12] @Matteo, Of course there is much to improve. For example version 3 has a builtin cache. Now it goes constantly to the database to fetch new content. thats very slow [09:12] But version 3 (upstream Cutegram) is a major rework. But we consider going this way [09:18] @Flohack, 👍 thank you for the answer. By the way, I want to say that you are doing a great job with that and so all the UBports team [09:19] Thanks :) [09:49] In case you didn't know this project and this developpe ;) http://konstakang.com/devices/rpi3/CM14.1/ [09:50] @paletuco, wow [09:52] installing Ubuntu with libhybris layer on device with native Linux support is going to be overkill though :) [09:54] @Flohack, That was still far better then telegram 1. … How much of this is problems with Ubuntu Phone being slow and needing changes to make it fast? … I mean, it still takes a bit of time to open apps, so I could see some of the issue being the OS rather then the app. … Is there any chance that we could have apps as fast, fluid, and feature full as android? … I dont mean just telegram, I also mean things like the file manager, sm [09:56] I suppose Android Telegram has some optimizations not to include all the loaded chat messages into render tree, but simulate scrolling [09:58] like infinite scrolling is implemented in web (far away elements removed from DOM tree, but height is faked to account for this) [10:03] @PhoenixLandPirate, Qt5.9 will help somewhat there with the startup time optimisations, although some of that gain maybe from the commercial qml compiler. The QmlEngine/scenegraph is expensive to create rougly 30mb last i checked and then you need to load the UI on top. This can still be pretty fast if you have a very minimal UI and toolkit dependencies (think petals app) but most apps don't have that. [10:06] @DanChapman, Yeah I heard that Qt5.9 will make things faster. [10:06] Apps do load a LOT faster then they did even just one year ago [10:09] Also, scrolling performance heavily depends on the way the UI components are written. A lot of the recent activities on telegram-app were about reducing the complexity of those message bubbles in the chat view: since they are created on demand, they need to be very light [10:10] Guys while porting : I have this error : … ```make: *** No rule to make target 'libqmi', needed by '/home/aki237/phablet/out/target/product/ham/obj/EXECUTABLES/wpa_supplicant_intermediates/config.o'. Stop.``` [10:10] The final build error by the way [10:10] @sverzegnassi, yeah listviews are tricky with dynamically sized items [10:14] Sorry I'm new on Ubuntu touch and I have another question : is there any WhatsApp client for Ubuntu touch? [10:17] @SoulFreezer, Unfortunately no, it is proptietary code and protocol ... [10:17] @paletuco, Awesome! [10:21] @sverzegnassi, I've just realised, how can I contribute to translation of apps in openstore? Won't there be an unified way (at least suggested) to handle internationalization? 🙂 [10:23] alot of the apps are possibly still translated on launchpad. [10:23] the coreapps, openstore and dekko are on translate.ubports.com [10:24] @SoulFreezer, You can try loquiIM. [10:24] Ugh ... okay then, starting to feel like I have too many logins again :) [10:24] @DanChapman, There I've done what I could, you know, no new thing to add :) [10:25] @SoulFreezer, you can use loquiIM, untill I know it's still beta, but it's functional. Anyway, since whatsapp it's private, and in order of the terms of use, your number can be baned from their service if you do things like use other than not ofcicial apps. … You also can use a old phone, use whatsapp there and connect your ubuntu phone through web whatsapp. [10:28] Loqui IM works (mostly). Group-chat you can receive messages but can't send any (due to group-encryption issues) [10:30] @DanChapman You implemented notifications in Dekko, I was wondering. … SMS, and some other system apps have options where you can reply,dismiss, snooze, etc, in the notification bubble, are you able to take advantage of that feature atm, or do notifications need some modificastions before you can do more things with them? [10:31] @thepeter, You could check in OpenStore (from the web UI it's probably easier) if an app has specified something in the 'Source URL' field. As Dan said, many apps are still hosted on launchpad.net, so there's some chance that those apps are also using the Rosetta translation service. [10:32] Thanks for all the answers [10:33] We could eventually consider to add a further field in OpenStore, so that developers can specify the URL where people can contribute with translations ^^ [10:34] I think you can add "actions" to the notification object which will dispatch url's. With libmessaging-menu you can add define an action type and callback so i presume it will work similar to that. I haven't really looked into it properly yet though [10:34] @PhoenixLandPirate ^ [10:38] @aki237, Any ideas about this error. [10:39] @PhoenixLandPirate In dekko's case i don't think having a reply action is worthwhile as you don't get enough of the message body (if any) to even make a reply. Unless you have conversations using the subject only 😃 (new form of IM) But i can see value in a mark read, delete or spam action [10:40] @DanChapman, Thats fair enough, I just think actions in notifications can be very useful, android has them now. … You can reply to telegram via notifications, PIA has "stop" "pause VPN" and "Change server" … screenshots have "Share" "Delete" … So having more notification options would be very nice in my PO. [10:41] @DanChapman, Yeah, definitly, delete and mark as read, or star, would be pretty useful. … Then when you open dekko you can go straight to the stared email. [10:41] would you really star an unread email? [10:41] yes [10:41] I can't see why anyone would [10:42] 😃 [10:42] if I see it's an email from my work and im on the weekend [10:42] so I don't want to miss that, but I also wouldn't read it [10:42] @DanChapman, If I see its from someone important, but I dont have time to read it. [10:42] exactly [10:43] Or perhaps I should just tell github to stop sending me emails x'D [10:43] yeah, you will see the notification anyways [10:43] but that's not the only case for sure xd [10:46] Ok fair point, i suppose 😊 … I wonder how many actions you can fit in a notification... [10:46] archive and reply would be enough [10:46] for me [10:47] noted [10:48] as if i don't want to deal with an email — i can just dismiss the notification [10:48] and then manage it from the app later [10:48] @mariogrip why sdcard not detected quickly ? when connected my phone to PC, only internal storage detected (MTP mode) , sdcard take long time(more then 10 mns), but the good its mount. If you have any idea plz guide me how to solve it BR [10:49] Yeah that's what i would do. Just leave it unread and dismiss it. Anything i'm not interested in I can mark as read in the notification [10:49] and if i see something like increase the size of your penis, i want to archive it instantly, so it wont get in my way when i use the app [10:49] so it makes sense to have archive [10:50] there shouldn't be too much clutter in the notification, it will render things unusable [10:53] @vanyasem, Thats the only kind of email I respond to tbh [10:53] archiving is a tricky one to provide as most people do it differently. My plan for that is "do it like thunderbird" and hope that format is what most people use. gmail is a special cupcake here and needs different treatment but other email serveers/services are open to interpretation [10:54] @DanChapman, I've only seen 2, so it might be 2 atm, but with that being said, we might be able to add a third option for those that want/need it [11:03] Btw, dekko2 notifications do not open the app or the mail... [11:07] comin in the next update [11:08] Ok! Nice! [11:10] How come it's called Dekko 2? … How come you dont just call it Dekko? … Is that something you'll do when Dekko 2 becomes more stable? [11:14] Indeed, it just to prevent it removing the old dekko until it becomes stable enough to replace. [11:14] or once canonical store closes, which ever comes first [11:23] Hello [11:23] I bought an oneplus one phone... [11:24] The camera and GPS are stille not Wieling? [11:24] Stil [11:41] Still not working? [11:52] @jakko, Camera isnt [11:53] OTA 3 camera should work [11:54] @PhoenixLandPirate, GPS is working? [12:03] @jakko, Couldnt tell you, I never use GPS [12:10] Is there a simple grid somewhere with features working versus device? [12:10] telegram for ubuntu touch supports supergroups? [12:11] @PhoenixLandPirate, 👍 [12:13] @uzugu, Unless something changed since the last time I used it a few months ago: no [12:14] thanks [12:16] @uzugu, I think Web version does. Not the app [12:39] I tried to install knowndict as suport .dict files [12:40] as not longer available on the stores, I dowloaded the code from launchpad [12:41] after compiling, I try to install and I got the error 'Cannot install knowndict.click: Signature verification error: debsig: Origin Signature check failed. This deb might not be signed.' [12:41] any idea what I did wrong? [12:42] did you use the `--allow-untrusted` flag when install ing? [12:43] No! I m going to try! [12:46] I guess with pkcon? [12:46] I get a new error [12:46] Cannot install /home/phablet/Downloads/knowndict.click: Invalid character "_" in "name" entry: @APP_ID@ [12:47] I guess somethig related to the source compilation? [12:55] Project daily-mako build #116: SUCCESS in 12 min: http://ci.ubports.com/job/daily-mako/116/ [12:56] Project ota-push build #1026: SUCCESS in 51 sec: http://ci.ubports.com/job/ota-push/1026/ [13:00] Is it normal that https://translate.ubports.com/ is horribly slow? [13:13] #audiocast @wayneoutthere … https://www.fastcompany.com/40435064/what-alan-kay-thinks-about-the-iphone-and-technology-now … This is an interview of Alan Kay, the creator of the concept for the first truly mobile computer. It was a device meant to help students parse information from distinct sources, learn about computers, and otherwise improve education. He's upset that today's mobile devices are little more than personal televisions [13:13] of endless consumption. === JanC_ is now known as JanC [14:32] @sverzegnassi, okay, so I count 367 apps there, right? I've logged in but can't find any kind of sort by (to find out which are most important to check translations) [14:43] hummlbach was added by: hummlbach [14:55] Hello everybody! [14:59] This is the right place to pose silly questions concerning the development of Ubuntu phone apps, am I right? 😁 [15:04] I have two of them: Is there some information out there, how to install and use a toolchain for building apps as well as testing them without using the Ubuntu SDK? [15:07] And second can someone point me to an example, how to use a native openGl(es) context (in the qt context...)? [15:13] @thepeter, We don't publicly expose information about most downloaded apps yet. However I can provide you a list from 1st to 20th, since it was part of my talk at UbuCon Europe: … 1. OpenStore … 2. UT Tweak Tool … 3. Telegram … 4. WiFi Scanner … 5. Gallery … 6. uNav … 7. Bluetooth File Transfer … 8. TweakGeek (unsupported) … 9. Falcon … 10. UBports Welcome App … 11. OSM Scout … 12. Calendar … 13. Beru … 14. Fishy Sho [15:13] Terminal … 16. Indicator Weather … 17. File Manager … 18. Compass … 19. LoquiIM … 20. OwnCloud Sync [15:15] @sverzegnassi, Thx a lot, will go by this list for start with translations :) [15:19] Please mind that usually developers write here or in the OpenStore group when new translations are available. If there is something new, you will surely know :) [15:38] el_namor was added by: el_namor [15:39] @neothethird ty for accepting my pr on github mines. when will the update come out? [15:40] i'm not fammiliar with how openstore works [15:45] I'm trying to install Ubuntu touch in my bq Aquaris E5hd but the magic-device-tool doesn't work [15:46] It download the recovery but not the image [15:52] @SoulFreezer, Please follow-up to the magic device tool telegram group ;) [15:52] @sverzegnassi, Yep I am checking the forum and recently joined openstore telegram group 🙂 [15:53] Great! Nice to get you on board! [15:54] @Flohack, Is there a list of telegram groups ubports is using? 🙂 [15:55] No dont think so =) [15:55] Also magic device tool is not part of ubports, dont forget that ;) [15:55] @sverzegnassi, thanks :) I am glad to be part of this movement as much as I can [15:56] @sverzegnassi where is the link to the openstore group? the link on open.uappexplorer.com leads to this group. I'm sure i used to already be in the group. Must have left at some point by accident. [15:56] @Flohack, Oh, didn't know that :) [15:58] @DanChapman, https://telegram.me/joinchat/BMTh8AHtOL2foXLulmqDxw [15:59] cheers! [16:00] @sverzegnassi, You were faster 👍 [16:02] But true ... footer link points to supergroup @sverzegnassi maybe it could be good to fix that one :) [16:02] yep, the real link is buried inside a sub-page :/ [16:03] will try to push a PR to OpenStore, so Brian can review it [16:05] Cool [16:06] Thanks to @nfsprodriver and @sverzegnassi we got a HUGE update done for the file manager: https://github.com/ubports/filemanager-app/pull/7 [16:07] @Flohack, It isn't yet done! I'm still removing unused or deprecated stuff from source code.... such a pain! 😆😆 [16:07] Anyway, all the kudos goes to @nfsprodriver - he did a great job! 👍 [16:08] Interesting, how is it that ubuntuopenstore group is show also on ubuntu but supergroup and halium is not ... [16:10] Dear All, we unfortunately got a bug with the browser update in rc on the BQ E5. I would need confirmation of rc´s browser on E4.5, MX4, etc... all kind of legacy devices: https://github.com/ubports/ubports-touch/issues/247 [16:10] The OpenStore one is still a normal group, while the current Ubuntu Telegram app does not support supergroups [16:12] @sverzegnassi, OIC thanks [16:18] In the last Ubucon Paris I gave a programming workshop with Ubuntu Touch [16:18] You can see the presentation at this link: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B1tk1v5ejGZzY2VKWWh0cWhHTVk [16:18] @DanChapman, I blame @Flohack for that one 😜 [16:19] I'll upload the virtual course machine at the end of the week. Includes everything you need to start programming with the SDK [16:19] (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/3yuwyLTO/file_587.webp [16:27] @bhdouglass, whaaat 😆 [16:28] I do recall a pull request or two from you 😄 [16:28] @bhdouglass, lol [16:28] Well we can mention all relevant groups there [16:28] I just was thinking at this time we should promote the ubports group a bit ;) [16:47] @vanyasem, well thank you for the pr :) i have to build it manually, wanted to publish tonight [16:48] ok, ty, i just wanted to know what the process is [16:48] it's a manual process, at least for now [16:49] is there any way to configure CI? [16:50] yep, it's planned to put at least the core apps on ci.ubports.com, but not done yet [16:50] GitLab has a nice free CI using docker and there is also a way to install your own custom runner with any config [16:50] I use self-hosted GitLab CI to build my android apps [16:50] and publish them [16:50] @vanyasem, I doubt it will handle the gross build process that is necessary to build the apps and the core OS 😆 [16:51] hmm, we're using jenkins for all the rest, so we might keep it all in one place [16:51] you can self-host a runner [16:51] it couldn't handle my build (7 mins work time and constant crashes) [16:51] so i bought a cheap "перделка" VPS and just configured it as a native runner [16:52] native = no virtualization, just pure shell (no docker, for example) [16:52] yeah, there are probably many tools for the job, but jenkins works for the rest, and canonical used it as well [16:52] @vanyasem, not it takes less a little more than a minute to build and publish [16:52] @neothethird, i'm just sharing my experience [16:53] i also have my repos on gitlab, so it's really handy for me, as you get all kinds of integrations [16:53] like auto-merge the branch if a pipeline succeeds [16:53] etc [16:54] Sachin3200 was added by: Sachin3200 [16:55] @Sachin3200, welcome [16:55]