[03:23] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:53] <ducasse> morning everyone
[05:54] <Bashing-om> ducasse: \o
[05:55] <ducasse> Bashing-om: you still up? :)
[05:55] <Bashing-om> barely :) .. Good morn'n for you ?
[05:57] <ducasse> i _think_ so, but i'm not really awake yet :)
[05:58] <Bashing-om> ducasse: 2nd cup of coffee to get me primed .
[05:59] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse & Bashing-om
[05:59] <ducasse> i've just fed luna and opened the window so she can go out, now checking mail and looking over anything i've missed here
[06:00] <ducasse> morning lotuspsychje
[06:00] <Bashing-om> Hiya lotuspsychje :)
[06:13] <ducasse> Bashing-om: been busy here?
[06:24] <Bashing-om> ducasse: Naw .. slow .. ( no gold star on the IRC status board for Bashing-om this day ) .
[06:25] <Ben64> apt-get autoremove ... blah blah "will free up 2700k"          df -m shows 3334MB freed
[06:25] <Ben64> so much lies
[11:47] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[14:22] <ducasse> BluesKaj: the thing that gets me about nicks are nicks like 'd34thc0d3r', that gets slightly silly imo :)
[14:23] <BluesKaj> hi ducasse, that's more than slightly silly , that's old and "stupid kewl" as the expression goes
[14:26] <ducasse> yep, i hope they're being ironic about it
[14:29] <BluesKaj> using a nick like "worst human ever" is meant to get unwarranted attention..it's uneccessary and dumb
[17:40] <immu> how di amigos :)
[23:05] <oerheks> i try to answer 3 Q a day, i got my tax for a week now :-D
[23:05] <oerheks> hi Bashing-om
[23:07] <Bashing-om> oerheks: Annd here we go again :) .. good day ?
[23:07] <oerheks> Yeah, sold my old bike to my brothers son, so i can buy 2 new tubes
[23:08]  * TJ- bashes head against a brick wall and feels better
[23:08] <oerheks> how about you?
[23:08] <oerheks> #bricklivematter
[23:08] <oerheks> :-D
[23:09] <oerheks> jolo
[23:10] <Bashing-om> oerheks: fixing to see how the day goes :)
[23:11] <TJ-> I've so sick of the systemd dev's attitude; forgot how stupid they are, upgraded an encrypted laptop, and lost the ability to boot it because they took over the cryptsetup boot responsibilties but didn't (and refuse to) implement support for keyscripts
[23:11] <Bashing-om> TJ-: May I offer you a head bandage - of some sort ?
[23:11] <TJ-> which are required to obtain the unlock key from an external detachable device
[23:11] <TJ-> Bashing-om: offer me a shotgun, I'll go solve the systemd issue once and for all!
[23:12] <Bashing-om> Just do not shoot the messenger :P
[23:12] <TJ-> So now on top of everything else I've got to figure out how to rip out systemd's cryptsetup functionality and replace it with the tried and trusted real cryptsetup!
[23:13] <TJ-> I knew there was a reason I was keeping systems on 15.10 instead of upgrading to 16.04, but I'd forgotten what it was and stupidly decided to upgrade
[23:13] <Bashing-om> TJ-: BBBBUTT the real good thing is that you can do it . Whereas it takes you minutes will takes me weeks :D
[23:13] <TJ-> the trouble is this will take ME weeks too
[23:14] <TJ-> I attacked it once before and gave up after 2 weeks of head-banging, which was why i decided to keep those laptops on 15.10
[23:15] <TJ-> it just annoys me SO much that developers replace an existing tool but don't implement it's core functionality, causing so much pain with the regressions. This has been going on since 2012 - 5 years!
[23:15] <TJ-> and it all comes down to Poeterring saying "ooo, I don't really like the idea of keyscrip="
[23:16] <TJ-> see https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/3007#issuecomment-214313933
[23:16] <Bashing-om> TJ-: Ouch .. Well, that is one way that you do know . Bang on that wall 'til it breaks .
[23:17] <TJ-> It's the arrogance that gets to me most; tears up something people rely on and then says they won't replace it
[23:25] <Bashing-om> TJ-: ^ you summed it up well . I sire miss the days of " do one thing, and do it well " back then I could at lest keep up .
[23:25] <Bashing-om> sure*
[23:26] <TJ-> yes, and the thing is, I do like most of what systemd does and the way it is designed, but they seem to keep wanting to Borg everything rather than focus on completing what they've already started
[23:27] <TJ-> I love journald/journalctl instead of log files, it makes detailed analysis so much easier with each service/process log/stdout in a separate stream so you don't need to wade through distracting stuff
[23:27] <TJ-> but it's like having kids working on... an initial burst of enthusiasm as they take over some existing tool, then they get bored and don't complete the job
[23:28] <TJ-> I've got an Android phone with latest LineageOS on that, since last weeks update, is constantly rebooting itself ... about 10 times so far in the last 1/2 hour sitting on the desk not being touched!
[23:29] <TJ-> I swear technology is not worth it any more, mainly due to terrible developers
[23:29] <Bashing-om> Good and bad in all things - nothing here is perfect. We do have our work cut out for us . I am fortunate that I can choose what to cut .
[23:30] <TJ-> I think i'm going to go away for another 2 years and build another house - it's much more rewarding and stress free :)
[23:31] <oerheks> smart phone, i am dumb
[23:31] <TJ-> they've not even phones anymore really, they're PDAs (some not as good as the ones I had in the 1990s) with a phone as an afterthought
[23:32] <Bashing-om> I tell you the truth, I sure liked inittab .. Way back when .
[23:32] <oerheks> i am offered a course mindfullness through our social services, conversation ended when i asked: what drugs do i need to take for that ?
[23:32] <TJ-> it made sense in the single CPU/single core days but now we've got 32-core desktop CPUs it needs something that can prevent race conditions which systemd does well
[23:33] <TJ-> oerheks: :)
[23:34] <Bashing-om> TJ-: Yep. in the name of progress - faster is better ?
[23:34] <TJ-> I sure love it :)
[23:34] <TJ-> not faster but being able to have multiple processes working in parallel rather than having to keep on context-switching on the same CPU (which is very wasteful)
[23:36] <Bashing-om> TJ-: Progress : I run on old hardware - that I am quite intimate with . Faster == SSD and oerheks, lotus and ducasse can attest it took us 6 months to get it working properly !
[23:37] <TJ-> Bashing-om: maybe a symptom of the older hardware though :)
[23:38] <Bashing-om> IS ! .. back then that hardware had no concept of AHCI :)
[23:38] <oerheks> care bout privacy? don't use the internet :-D
[23:39] <TJ-> I've got systems here for doing forensics/data recovery for really old types of media (remember 5 1/4" floppies? Zip drives? MFM hard drives ? I have some trouble getting some of their controllers to work on modern motherboards so I have to keep older stuff. I think my oldest in regular use is an Asus A7M-266D Dual Athlon MP mobo from 2002
[23:39] <oerheks> I love older hardware, running ubuntu on an ancient i3 processor
[23:40] <TJ-> The problem with older 32-bit CPUs is ensuring the packaged kernels will boot on them
[23:41] <TJ-> I have a crate of unused mobos going back to the early 90s though, along with a crate of various adapters ISA, PCI, for networking and disk controller, just in case