| bazhang | I thought nvidia-settings was done out of X | 09:50 |
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| bazhang | there's a gui for it? | 09:50 |
| ikonia | it's an X11 gui | 09:53 |
| bazhang | ok | 09:53 |
| bazhang | fman has been less than forthcoming /sensible in past encountuers | 09:59 |
| ikonia | hey venzen | 13:58 |
| venzen | hi ikonia | 13:58 |
| ikonia | what's up ? I thought you didn't want to join and had nothing to discuss ? | 13:58 |
| ikonia | in fact, you told me to "fuck off" when I asked you to join ? hence my surprise | 13:59 |
| ikonia | so what's up ? | 13:59 |
| venzen | apologies for my silence till now, i'm completing a discussion in another channel | 14:01 |
| ikonia | no problem | 14:01 |
| venzen | i'll be back in 5-10mins. Just to be clear i used strong language at your proposal in that channel, not at you | 14:02 |
| ikonia | fair enough | 14:02 |
| venzen | i should have said "f*ck that" since it couldn't be misconstrued. Apologies. I prefer not to use strong language amd no-one likes that in a public forum anyway | 14:09 |
| venzen | so where did our disagreement start? | 14:09 |
| ikonia | F*ck that would also have been unwelcome | 14:09 |
| venzen | as i say | 14:09 |
| venzen | you have an annoying manner i must tell you | 14:09 |
| ikonia | ok | 14:10 |
| ikonia | anything else ? | 14:10 |
| venzen | so i ask, above: where did our disagreement start? | 14:10 |
| ikonia | there is no disagreement, hence why I've asked you 10+ times to "drop it" | 14:10 |
| ikonia | do you want to just cut to the chase ? | 14:11 |
| venzen | no single-minded, there is a disagreement and it is on-topic here. shall i nutshell it ? | 14:11 |
| ikonia | no single-minded ? | 14:12 |
| ikonia | sorry, I don't know what you mean by that | 14:12 |
| venzen | shall i nutshell my issue? | 14:12 |
| ikonia | you're welcome to state whatever you feel the issue is, but I assure you there is no disagreement | 14:12 |
| venzen | ok | 14:12 |
| ikonia | (it would be helpful too if you could state what you "want" too) | 14:12 |
| venzen | i give a user my opinion in #ubuntu and you comment - to me - not to the user's question: "that is the worst thing you can tell someone" | 14:13 |
| venzen | so this is my issue: | 14:14 |
| ikonia | sorry, I'm not seeing the issue (or have you not typed it yet) | 14:14 |
| venzen | if that is the _worst_ thing, which is subjective - your opinion vs mine - then why don't you contribute to the user's issue and propose the _better_ thing? | 14:15 |
| venzen | this is fascilitation | 14:15 |
| ikonia | I'd already corrected other things you'd told him | 14:15 |
| ikonia | and when I told you this was also bad information, you started typing to pick a fight stating was I going to correct every mistake you made | 14:16 |
| venzen | but you just chose to turn on me rather than being a positive presence in the channel and facilitating the issues that arise | 14:16 |
| ikonia | no-one turned on you | 14:16 |
| ikonia | I corrected you | 14:16 |
| ikonia | and the information I gave in correcting you also made it clear to him why it was incorrect | 14:16 |
| ikonia | thus two birds with one stone | 14:16 |
| venzen | you were adressing me on my opinions given to the user, rather than give your opinions to the user - this is you picking for a fight | 14:17 |
| venzen | anyone would get annoyed by an op yapping at their ankles every other statement, surely? | 14:17 |
| ikonia | venzen: I corrected why it was bad advice and why explaining the reasons, that pretty much corrected the info, and also give the user the other view point | 14:17 |
| ikonia | venzen: yapping at their ankles ? I corrected you 2 times, and typed 2 things | 14:18 |
| ikonia | so what do you want out of this ? | 14:18 |
| ikonia | I'm not sure what you're looking for here ? | 14:18 |
| venzen | ikonia: well, i speak under correction, but i did not see you provide other advice - only ciriticism of my utterances | 14:18 |
| ikonia | venzen: then re-read the log | 14:19 |
| venzen | i got the impression you found me annoying for some reason and had singled me out for a scrap | 14:19 |
| venzen | let me re-read | 14:19 |
| ikonia | nope, I corrected you two times, and said nothing more | 14:19 |
| ikonia | you continued pushing it | 14:19 |
| ikonia | then joined another channel to push it again | 14:19 |
| ikonia | then refused to join this channel | 14:19 |
| ikonia | now join this channel to push it again after stating "I have nothing more to say on the matter" | 14:20 |
| ikonia | so it appears you who are tyring to pick a problem hwere | 14:20 |
| ikonia | so again - what do you want to achieve out of this disucssion ? | 14:20 |
| venzen | ikonia: i arrived here to observe this channel and you engaged me in discussion, i thought "well, give this over-zealous op a chance - maybe we can explain both our sides and come to an understanding" | 14:22 |
| ikonia | the channel is not an observation channel | 14:22 |
| venzen | but you see, you're with the finger in my chest every time | 14:22 |
| ikonia | over-zelous op a hance ? | 14:22 |
| ikonia | chance ? | 14:22 |
| ikonia | you didn't know I was an o | 14:23 |
| ikonia | op | 14:23 |
| ikonia | and you also turned on another user in the channel asking you to stop who was not an op | 14:23 |
| ikonia | again - it seems you're trying to find a problem | 14:23 |
| venzen | well we didn't get along in the channel, so a second chance here might be productive, right? | 14:23 |
| ikonia | what do you actually want out of this discussion ? | 14:23 |
| ikonia | I got on fine with you ? | 14:23 |
| venzen | no, you made a problem and seem bewildered that i reacted to you. I'm trying to help you understand :)_ | 14:24 |
| ikonia | you're the one suggesting there is a problem, I've said 5+ times there i no problem | 14:24 |
| ikonia | you're not trying to help me at all | 14:24 |
| ikonia | why you reacted to me - and another user | 14:24 |
| ikonia | and why you tried to pickup this fight in #lubuntu with no-one speaking | 14:24 |
| ikonia | and why you refused to join this channel to discuss "the problem" | 14:24 |
| ikonia | it seems to me like you are the one trying to make a problem, as I've said I have no issue at all | 14:24 |
| ikonia | hence "what do you want out of this discussion" ? | 14:25 |
| venzen | ikonia: you exhibit the behavior and attitude of those who gravitate to positions of authority - i'm telling you that you were out of line, objectively, but you're just denying that there is even an issue | 14:25 |
| venzen | let's leave it. please allow me to speak here without interrupting | 14:26 |
| ikonia | what do you want from this discussion ? | 14:26 |
| ikonia | lets focus on that | 14:26 |
| venzen | i came here to observe, you engaged me. fact. i want nothing from you or this discussion. YOu prompted it over in #ubuntu and by immediately following your greeting to me here with the issues _you_ have. | 14:28 |
| ikonia | I greeted you because it's polite | 14:28 |
| venzen | and then, what did you say after politely greeting me? | 14:28 |
| ikonia | and this isn't an observation channel, so if you don't want anything the team ask that you /part the channel | 14:28 |
| venzen | you're amazing you know? | 14:29 |
| ikonia | thank you | 14:29 |
| ikonia | so please /part the channel or state what you want ? | 14:29 |
| venzen | i have what i want. goodbye ikonia, see you in the ubuntu channels, but please don't you bring us here again with your behavior, allright? | 14:31 |
| ikonia | @mark #ubuntu-ops venzen looking for a fight | 14:31 |
| ubottu | The operation succeeded. | 14:31 |
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