[09:50] I thought nvidia-settings was done out of X [09:50] there's a gui for it? [09:53] it's an X11 gui [09:53] ok [09:59] fman has been less than forthcoming /sensible in past encountuers [13:58] hey venzen [13:58] hi ikonia [13:58] what's up ? I thought you didn't want to join and had nothing to discuss ? [13:59] in fact, you told me to "fuck off" when I asked you to join ? hence my surprise [13:59] so what's up ? [14:01] apologies for my silence till now, i'm completing a discussion in another channel [14:01] no problem [14:02] i'll be back in 5-10mins. Just to be clear i used strong language at your proposal in that channel, not at you [14:02] fair enough [14:09] i should have said "f*ck that" since it couldn't be misconstrued. Apologies. I prefer not to use strong language amd no-one likes that in a public forum anyway [14:09] so where did our disagreement start? [14:09] F*ck that would also have been unwelcome [14:09] as i say [14:09] you have an annoying manner i must tell you [14:10] ok [14:10] anything else ? [14:10] so i ask, above: where did our disagreement start? [14:10] there is no disagreement, hence why I've asked you 10+ times to "drop it" [14:11] do you want to just cut to the chase ? [14:11] no single-minded, there is a disagreement and it is on-topic here. shall i nutshell it ? [14:12] no single-minded ? [14:12] sorry, I don't know what you mean by that [14:12] shall i nutshell my issue? [14:12] you're welcome to state whatever you feel the issue is, but I assure you there is no disagreement [14:12] ok [14:12] (it would be helpful too if you could state what you "want" too) [14:13] i give a user my opinion in #ubuntu and you comment - to me - not to the user's question: "that is the worst thing you can tell someone" [14:14] so this is my issue: [14:14] sorry, I'm not seeing the issue (or have you not typed it yet) [14:15] if that is the _worst_ thing, which is subjective - your opinion vs mine - then why don't you contribute to the user's issue and propose the _better_ thing? [14:15] this is fascilitation [14:15] I'd already corrected other things you'd told him [14:16] and when I told you this was also bad information, you started typing to pick a fight stating was I going to correct every mistake you made [14:16] but you just chose to turn on me rather than being a positive presence in the channel and facilitating the issues that arise [14:16] no-one turned on you [14:16] I corrected you [14:16] and the information I gave in correcting you also made it clear to him why it was incorrect [14:16] thus two birds with one stone [14:17] you were adressing me on my opinions given to the user, rather than give your opinions to the user - this is you picking for a fight [14:17] anyone would get annoyed by an op yapping at their ankles every other statement, surely? [14:17] venzen: I corrected why it was bad advice and why explaining the reasons, that pretty much corrected the info, and also give the user the other view point [14:18] venzen: yapping at their ankles ? I corrected you 2 times, and typed 2 things [14:18] so what do you want out of this ? [14:18] I'm not sure what you're looking for here ? [14:18] ikonia: well, i speak under correction, but i did not see you provide other advice - only ciriticism of my utterances [14:19] venzen: then re-read the log [14:19] i got the impression you found me annoying for some reason and had singled me out for a scrap [14:19] let me re-read [14:19] nope, I corrected you two times, and said nothing more [14:19] you continued pushing it [14:19] then joined another channel to push it again [14:19] then refused to join this channel [14:20] now join this channel to push it again after stating "I have nothing more to say on the matter" [14:20] so it appears you who are tyring to pick a problem hwere [14:20] so again - what do you want to achieve out of this disucssion ? [14:22] ikonia: i arrived here to observe this channel and you engaged me in discussion, i thought "well, give this over-zealous op a chance - maybe we can explain both our sides and come to an understanding" [14:22] the channel is not an observation channel [14:22] but you see, you're with the finger in my chest every time [14:22] over-zelous op a hance ? [14:22] chance ? [14:23] you didn't know I was an o [14:23] op [14:23] and you also turned on another user in the channel asking you to stop who was not an op [14:23] again - it seems you're trying to find a problem [14:23] well we didn't get along in the channel, so a second chance here might be productive, right? [14:23] what do you actually want out of this discussion ? [14:23] I got on fine with you ? [14:24] no, you made a problem and seem bewildered that i reacted to you. I'm trying to help you understand :)_ [14:24] you're the one suggesting there is a problem, I've said 5+ times there i no problem [14:24] you're not trying to help me at all [14:24] why you reacted to me - and another user [14:24] and why you tried to pickup this fight in #lubuntu with no-one speaking [14:24] and why you refused to join this channel to discuss "the problem" [14:24] it seems to me like you are the one trying to make a problem, as I've said I have no issue at all [14:25] hence "what do you want out of this discussion" ? [14:25] ikonia: you exhibit the behavior and attitude of those who gravitate to positions of authority - i'm telling you that you were out of line, objectively, but you're just denying that there is even an issue [14:26] let's leave it. please allow me to speak here without interrupting [14:26] what do you want from this discussion ? [14:26] lets focus on that [14:28] i came here to observe, you engaged me. fact. i want nothing from you or this discussion. YOu prompted it over in #ubuntu and by immediately following your greeting to me here with the issues _you_ have. [14:28] I greeted you because it's polite [14:28] and then, what did you say after politely greeting me? [14:28] and this isn't an observation channel, so if you don't want anything the team ask that you /part the channel [14:29] you're amazing you know? [14:29] thank you [14:29] so please /part the channel or state what you want ? [14:31] i have what i want. goodbye ikonia, see you in the ubuntu channels, but please don't you bring us here again with your behavior, allright? [14:31] @mark #ubuntu-ops venzen looking for a fight [14:31] The operation succeeded. === bazhang_ is now known as bazhang