[09:50] <bazhang> I thought nvidia-settings was done out of X
[09:50] <bazhang> there's a gui for it?
[09:53] <ikonia> it's an X11 gui
[09:53] <bazhang> ok
[09:59] <bazhang> fman has been less than forthcoming /sensible in past encountuers
[13:58] <ikonia> hey venzen
[13:58] <venzen> hi ikonia
[13:58] <ikonia> what's up ? I thought you didn't want to join and had nothing to discuss ?
[13:59] <ikonia> in fact, you told me to "fuck off" when I asked you to join ? hence my surprise
[13:59] <ikonia> so what's up ?
[14:01] <venzen> apologies for my silence till now, i'm completing a discussion in another channel
[14:01] <ikonia> no problem
[14:02] <venzen> i'll be back in 5-10mins. Just to be clear i used strong language at your proposal in that channel, not at you
[14:02] <ikonia> fair enough
[14:09] <venzen> i should have said "f*ck that" since it couldn't be misconstrued. Apologies. I prefer not to use strong language amd no-one likes that in a public forum anyway
[14:09] <venzen> so where did our disagreement start?
[14:09] <ikonia> F*ck that would also have been unwelcome
[14:09] <venzen> as i say
[14:09] <venzen> you have an annoying manner i must tell you
[14:10] <ikonia> ok
[14:10] <ikonia> anything else ?
[14:10] <venzen> so i ask, above: where did our disagreement start?
[14:10] <ikonia> there is no disagreement, hence why I've asked you 10+ times to "drop it"
[14:11] <ikonia> do you want to just cut to the chase ?
[14:11] <venzen> no single-minded, there is a disagreement and it is on-topic here. shall i nutshell it ?
[14:12] <ikonia> no single-minded ?
[14:12] <ikonia> sorry, I don't know what you mean by that
[14:12] <venzen> shall i nutshell my issue?
[14:12] <ikonia> you're welcome to state whatever you feel the issue is, but I assure you there is no disagreement
[14:12] <venzen> ok
[14:12] <ikonia> (it would be helpful too if you could state what you "want" too)
[14:13] <venzen> i give a user my opinion in #ubuntu and you comment - to me - not to the user's question: "that is the worst thing you can tell someone"
[14:14] <venzen> so this is my issue:
[14:14] <ikonia> sorry, I'm not seeing the issue (or have you not typed it yet)
[14:15] <venzen> if that is the _worst_ thing, which is subjective - your opinion vs mine - then why don't you contribute to the user's issue and propose the _better_ thing?
[14:15] <venzen> this is fascilitation
[14:15] <ikonia> I'd already corrected other things you'd told him
[14:16] <ikonia> and when I told you this was also bad information, you started typing to pick a fight stating was I going to correct every mistake you made
[14:16] <venzen> but you just chose to turn on me rather than being a positive presence in the channel and facilitating the issues that arise
[14:16] <ikonia> no-one turned on you
[14:16] <ikonia> I corrected you
[14:16] <ikonia> and the information I gave in correcting you also made it clear to him why it was incorrect
[14:16] <ikonia> thus two birds with one stone
[14:17] <venzen> you were adressing me on my opinions given to the user, rather than give your opinions to the user - this is you picking for a fight
[14:17] <venzen> anyone would get annoyed by an op yapping at their ankles every other statement, surely?
[14:17] <ikonia> venzen: I corrected why it was bad advice and why explaining the reasons, that pretty much corrected the info, and also give the user the other view point
[14:18] <ikonia> venzen: yapping at their ankles ? I corrected you 2 times, and typed 2 things
[14:18] <ikonia> so what do you want out of this ?
[14:18] <ikonia> I'm not sure what you're looking for here ?
[14:18] <venzen> ikonia: well, i speak under correction, but i did not see you provide other advice - only ciriticism of my utterances
[14:19] <ikonia> venzen: then re-read the log
[14:19] <venzen> i got the impression you found me annoying for some reason and had singled me out for a scrap
[14:19] <venzen> let me re-read
[14:19] <ikonia> nope, I corrected you two times, and said nothing more
[14:19] <ikonia> you continued pushing it
[14:19] <ikonia> then joined another channel to push it again
[14:19] <ikonia> then refused to join this channel
[14:20] <ikonia> now join this channel to push it again after stating "I have nothing more to say on the matter"
[14:20] <ikonia> so it appears you who are tyring to pick a problem hwere
[14:20] <ikonia> so again - what do you want to achieve out of this disucssion ?
[14:22] <venzen> ikonia: i arrived here to observe this channel and you engaged me in discussion, i thought "well, give this over-zealous op a chance - maybe we can explain both our sides and come to an understanding"
[14:22] <ikonia> the channel is not an observation channel
[14:22] <venzen> but you see, you're with the finger in my chest every time
[14:22] <ikonia> over-zelous op a hance ?
[14:22] <ikonia> chance ?
[14:23] <ikonia> you didn't know I was an o
[14:23] <ikonia> op
[14:23] <ikonia> and you also turned on another user in the channel asking you to stop who was not an op
[14:23] <ikonia> again - it seems you're trying to find a problem
[14:23] <venzen> well we didn't get along in the channel, so a second chance here might be productive, right?
[14:23] <ikonia> what do you actually want out of this discussion ?
[14:23] <ikonia> I got on fine with you ?
[14:24] <venzen> no, you made a problem and seem bewildered that i reacted to you. I'm trying to help you understand :)_
[14:24] <ikonia> you're the one suggesting there is a problem, I've said 5+ times there i no problem
[14:24] <ikonia> you're not trying to help me at all
[14:24] <ikonia> why you reacted to me - and another user
[14:24] <ikonia> and why you tried to pickup this fight in #lubuntu with no-one speaking
[14:24] <ikonia> and why you refused to join this channel to discuss "the problem"
[14:24] <ikonia> it seems to me like you are the one trying to make a problem, as I've said I have no issue at all
[14:25] <ikonia> hence "what do you want out of this discussion" ?
[14:25] <venzen> ikonia: you exhibit the behavior and attitude of those who gravitate to positions of authority - i'm telling you that you were out of line, objectively, but you're just denying that there is even an issue
[14:26] <venzen> let's leave it. please allow me to speak here without interrupting
[14:26] <ikonia> what do you want from this discussion ?
[14:26] <ikonia> lets focus on that
[14:28] <venzen> i came here to observe, you engaged me. fact. i want nothing from you or this discussion. YOu prompted it over in #ubuntu and by immediately following your greeting to me here with the issues _you_ have.
[14:28] <ikonia> I greeted you because it's polite
[14:28] <venzen> and then, what did you say after politely greeting me?
[14:28] <ikonia> and this isn't an observation channel, so if you don't want anything the team ask that you /part the channel
[14:29] <venzen> you're amazing you know?
[14:29] <ikonia> thank you
[14:29] <ikonia> so please /part the channel or state what you want ?
[14:31] <venzen> i have what i want. goodbye ikonia, see you in the ubuntu channels, but please don't you bring us here again with your behavior, allright?
[14:31] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu-ops venzen looking for a fight