[00:03] <bray90820> Well the problem is it's a looping video and I can't exit the app because of the lack of player controls
[00:03] <bray90820> So I wanted to bypass it at boot
[00:03] <bray90820> I don't really have a desktop available to me
[00:04] <Stumbler> New to ubuntu-- When I create a desktop entry, I run a command that lunches a terminal. I gave it a nice icon, and a solid name right. but the launcher disappears after the terminal application runs, and I'm left with a plain jane terminal instance in my task bar. *sobs*
[00:05] <TJ-> bray90820: a looping video at boot-time, run by the system without a user logged in?
[00:05] <bray90820> Autologin
[00:06] <TJ-> bray90820: ok so it's not a system service it's a user session autostart scripted?
[00:06] <TJ-> bray90820: I'd boot into recovery mode, disable it
[00:07] <TJ-> bray90820: or you could tell systemd not to start the GUI, with "systemd.target=multiuser.target" I think it is
[00:07] <bray90820> TJ-: so recovery mode will temporarily disable the script?
[00:09] <TJ-> bray90820: recovery mode doesn't start a GUI, it stops at a root shell where you can do maintenance
[00:09] <bray90820> TJ-: Thanks
[00:09] <TJ-> bray90820: once done you can Ctrl+D to continue and then 'resume' the start-up
[00:09] <bray90820> That will work
[00:09] <bray90820> All i would need is a Command line anyways
[00:13] <TJ-> bray90820: correction, for setting the target on the kernel command-line (via editing at the GRUB menu stage) it'd be "systemd.unit=multi-user.target"
[00:15] <bray90820> TJ-: Thanks
[00:36] <funda3> i need help with turning off nvidia/nouveau modesetting, i can boot if i go through recovery -> resume boot, but not when I pick the normal option. Nvidia propreitary drivers work fine once gdm3 starts
[00:37] <funda3> i tried adding nomodeset and nofb to /etc/default/grub, and ran update-grub, no effect
[00:39] <TJ-> funda3: add to the kernel command-line, either via GRUB menu edit at boot-time, or in /etc/default/grub "nouveau.modeset=0" for nouveau
[00:40] <funda3> it doesn't let me enter the root volume unencrypt password if i boot the normal way, but i see the screen and the cursor is on the top left, not on the password field
[00:41] <funda3> TJ: I have that too
[00:41] <TJ-> funda3: with the nouveau driver in use?
[00:41] <TJ-> funda3: that obviously won't have an effect if nvidia drivers are in use
[00:43] <funda3> I have added nouveau to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf, i don't think i am using nouveau, but i'm not sure what is happening while booting
[00:43] <TJ-> funda3: another setting that could help is to change GRUB's own setting to force text mode at boot time by uncommenting /etc/default/grub "GRUB_TERMINAL=console"
[00:45] <funda3> trying that now
[00:46] <funda3> nope, no difference
[00:51] <konrados> Hello again. I made some changes to the  /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/pc file - these are keyboard's key mapping. I know I can restart the entire machine to see the effect, but isn't there any other way? What should I google? Is this the so called 'x server'?
[00:56] <funda3> TJ: adding nosplash to default/grub worked
[01:13] <TJ-> funda3: cool - that prevents 'plymouth' from going graphical
[01:26] <funda3> TJ: i'm on a ryzen 7 1700 with nvidia 1050, running 4.13.2 built with make bindeb-pkg. otherwise pretty much normal 17.04. i have a fully working system moving away from nouveau an on two nvidia proprietary an hr or two of messing around... not sure where plymouth was tripping up, it actually worked fine in 4.10
[01:28] <TJ-> funda3: you know you can get Ubuntu-built mainline kernel packages ?
[01:28] <TJ-> !mainline
[01:29] <TJ-> funda3: I have a script that fetches and installs them, either the latest (often an RC) or a specified version
[01:33] <funda3> i saw this, but wasn't sure where to start, i see now I could've just gotten http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v4.13.2/linux-headers-4.13.2-041302_4.13.2-041302.201709132057_all.deb and http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v4.13.2/linux-image-4.13.2-041302-generic_4.13.2-041302.201709132057_amd64.deb also, i wanted to see how fast i could build the kernel :)
[01:36] <TJ-> funda3: 3 seconds? :D
[01:45] <psychoticwarrior> who is running KDE plasma
[01:46] <bazhang> psychoticwarrior, this is not the polling channel
[01:46] <psychoticwarrior> bazhang is a bitch
[01:46] <psychoticwarrior> he complains about everything
[01:51] <funda3> TJ: ha, around 10 mins with config copied from 4.10 and make -j32
[02:11] <foxjazz> hey, I just burned an iso to usb and getting the gnu grub inteface for installing ubuntu server
[02:11] <foxjazz> does anyone have experience on installing ubuntu server from usb?
[02:24] <TJ-> foxjazz: GRUB comes up if it's an UEFI boot I seem to recall. For BIOS boots it uses iso/syslinux I seem to recall
[02:25] <notdaniel> foxjazz, is your problem that it's using grub at all, or do you mean it's dropping you into the grub console instead of booting the installer?
[02:29] <foxjazz> yes
[02:30] <foxjazz> notdaniel: that's right
[02:30] <TJ-> foxjazz: how did you write the ISO image to the USB device?
[02:30] <foxjazz> and then the install process takes to menues that look for cd roms
[02:30] <foxjazz> I used Etcher
[02:30] <foxjazz> on windows 10
[02:31] <notdaniel> foxjazz, havent used etcher much. just using dd is the best, but if you need to do this on windows, you want to use rufus
[02:32] <TJ-> foxjazz: generally the installer will stop on the boot menu if it has problems finding the installer resources
[02:32] <TJ-> notdaniel: looks like etcher is just a wrapper around a 'dd' process from what I can see
[02:32] <notdaniel> it may or may not be working correctly if you arent booting
[02:32] <TJ-> notdaniel: although it's worrying they advertise it as 'burning' to  Flash !
[02:33] <TJ-> foxjazz: I've seen issues when GRUB cannot find the boot device. The system is UEFI, correct?
[02:33] <notdaniel> lets not forget the layers of javascript in between the interface and what might be dd
[02:33] <TJ-> Probably loads of elves painting the bits in :)
[02:34] <notdaniel> the ubuntu isos are hybrid images and you should not have to think about which mode it's booting in unless the iso was not written properly
[02:35] <foxjazz> ok, I will try a different utility
[02:35] <arthur_wj> hi i'm using ubuntu 17.04, how can i enable tree view in nautilus left pane? thanks!
[02:35] <TJ-> foxjazz: if the installer is starting but failing to find the 'cdrom' that means it cannot determine which boot device it was started from (the USB device)
[02:35] <foxjazz> rufus maybe
[02:35] <notdaniel> rufus is the first thing to try
[02:35] <TJ-> notdaniel: it makes a big difference actually
[02:35] <notdaniel> non-dd tools often make a mess of these hybrid images
[02:35] <foxjazz> what tool is useful
[02:35] <notdaniel> i think rufus is still the best option on windows
[02:35] <foxjazz> ok rufus
[02:36] <TJ-> I thought bash and ubuntu are on Windows now? :)
[02:36] <notdaniel> yeah just screw it, use windows
[02:36] <notdaniel> (though i guess you could install the linux subsystem just to use proper dd)
[02:38] <TJ-> thing is, if it had booted in BIOS mode, then the BIOS  would have loaded GRUB but if Legacy USB support was disabled the installer might not be able to identify the correct installer device
[02:39] <foxjazz> building a linux server. And yes I do use windows LOL
[02:39] <TJ-> But, as I said, I recall the installer uses isolinux (unless that has changed recently) for BIOS boot mode. It uses GRUB in UEFI mode and a custom boot in ISO9660/El-Torito mode
[02:43] <foxjazz> bios legacy usb support was enabled.
[02:43] <foxjazz> still grub even with rufus
[02:44] <TJ-> foxjazz: I think the 'server' may have some unusual characteristics. Can you share the hardware make-up of it with us?
[02:44] <notdaniel> foxjazz, this is what, 16.04 x64 iso?
[02:45] <notdaniel> and again, to confirm, when you say youre still getting grub, youre referring to the console, and not that grub is actually booting anything
[02:45] <foxjazz> yes the grub menu that showws
[02:45] <foxjazz> * install ubuntu server
[02:45] <notdaniel> ohhh so it is loading, you just werent expecting it to be grub
[02:45] <TJ-> foxjazz: and when you choose that?
[02:46] <notdaniel> i thought you were getting dropped into the grub console
[02:46] <foxjazz> it gives me a screen taht says
[02:46] <foxjazz> shoose language etc..
[02:46] <foxjazz> detect and mount cdrom is a choice
[02:47] <foxjazz> Load debconf is a choice
[02:47] <foxjazz> none of these are helpful
[02:47] <foxjazz> execute a shell
[02:47] <foxjazz> abort
[02:47] <TJ-> foxjazz: start with the top entry
[02:48] <foxjazz> top entry does nothing but flicker
[02:48] <TJ-> foxjazz: the idea is that list is the order the installer works in. When it can't do everything automatically it allows you to manually control the process, go back, etc.
[02:48] <TJ-> foxjazz: what is the title of it (I don't have an installer here to look at)
[02:48] <foxjazz> ubuntu installer main menu
[02:48] <foxjazz> is the title
[02:49] <TJ-> foxjazz: I vaguely remember the sequence but not the exact steps. What's the first step in the list
[02:49] <foxjazz> first is select language
[02:49] <TJ-> foxjazz: you've done that ?
[02:49] <foxjazz> when I click it, it flickers and does nothing
[02:50] <TJ-> there's a mouse interface is there? I don't recall it being other than keyboard :)
[02:50] <foxjazz> yes not useing mouse
[02:50] <TJ-> foxjazz: it sounds rather like the image on the USB may be corrupted
[02:50] <foxjazz> arrow kees work
[02:51] <TJ-> foxjazz: Did you check the hash of the downloaded ISO file against that published on the download pages?
[02:51] <notdaniel> flickering is still a rather bizarre symptom
[02:52] <TJ-> notdaniel: failure to run a sub-process, redraw menu
[02:52] <notdaniel> that makes more sense
[02:52] <TJ-> foxjazz: which release of ubuntu is it? 16.04? which architecture, amd64 bit?
[02:52] <foxjazz> trying 17...
[02:52] <notdaniel> checksum the iso, make sure the usb stick doesnt suck, etc
[02:53] <TJ-> notdaniel: I've suffered that in the distant past installing to Dell poweredge servers with hardware raid controllers where the installer CD-ROM device couldn't be found
[02:53] <TJ-> foxjazz: 17.04 ?
[02:53] <foxjazz> yes
[02:53] <notdaniel> 16.04 isnt the problem
[02:53] <foxjazz> latest
[02:53] <notdaniel> the problem is the iso download or the stick or the write method
[02:53] <notdaniel> this isnt an inherent problem in 16.04
[02:53] <TJ-> foxjazz: OK, so now we know that we can locate the hash of the ISO image
[02:53] <foxjazz> lok, I tried 1604 also same issue
[02:53] <notdaniel> just for grins i'm downloading 16.04 and will see how it behaves after a rufus write
[02:54] <foxjazz> but got further in 16
[02:54] <foxjazz> but still stuck on this screen
[02:54] <notdaniel> got further
[02:54] <foxjazz> it allowed me to select a keyboard
[02:54] <notdaniel> do you have another usb stick you coul dtry
[02:54] <foxjazz> sure
[02:54] <foxjazz> 16 or 17 should I try?
[02:54] <notdaniel> whichever one you want to use
[02:54] <notdaniel> both should, you know, boot
[02:55] <TJ-> sounds like unknown hardware issue to me. Are you using a USB3 port and/or flash device?
[02:55] <TJ-> this kind of thing can happen on some hardware if the port is USB3 but the device is USB2, for example
[02:55] <notdaniel> really?
[02:55] <TJ-> something as simple as using an alternative port can solve it
[02:55] <notdaniel> that one is news to me
[02:56] <foxjazz> I will try a different port and a new stick
[02:56] <TJ-> yeah, in theory the port should feed the device to the USB3 or USB2 controller based on the connected device. sometimes it gets that wrong.
[02:56] <notdaniel> i know this is stupid but really after years this is the kind of shit that works
[02:56] <TJ-> the controllers share the ports
[02:57] <TJ-> I've had issues where front-panel USB2 ports fail for installers but work for any other device once the OS is installed. Sometimes it's not worth the headaches to figure out why when  you can just plug into another port
[02:58] <notdaniel> now that you mention it, i recall this being a thing with our hp z workstations a few years ago
[02:58] <notdaniel> i think i had to use a rear port to boot ubuntu properly
[02:59] <notdaniel> or at least thta it wasnt consistent across identical machines
[03:00] <TJ-> yeah... I've always thought there was some randomness on some hardware over which USB controller took the port... the worst was when a v1.1 controller took over the port for a USB2 device ... talk about SLOW!
[03:01] <notdaniel> i'm convinced it's all still voodoo. the number of years that have gone by and how much of my life has still been me shrugging and trying other ports/disks/isos/software
[03:01] <notdaniel> the model of sandisk usb stick that for wahtever reason just never ever booted an ubuntu image properly
[03:02] <jdnf> you get what you pay for
[03:02] <notdaniel> it wasnt a bad one in theory, it was fine for everything else, the problem was never solved
[03:02] <notdaniel> only way we even narrowed it to that was because i had bought a pack of like 12 of them
[03:02] <TJ-> notdaniel: just like me last night (lost a night's sleep). I have 2 0U power CDUs for my racks, linked together for 32 outlets. The master magically lost 8 outlets so I pulled it onto the bench to figure out what had failed, only to have it magically rediscover the outlets when I connected via a serial console rather than it's normal ethernet/web server!
[03:03] <arunangshu> how to delete windows partion from my system
[03:03] <notdaniel> ghosts i tell you
[03:04] <notdaniel> arunangshu, you can use gparted. make sure you dont delete something you need
[03:04] <TJ-> notdaniel: Gremlins!
[03:04] <foxjazz> lol it did nothing good.
[03:05] <foxjazz> gona disk part it...  try again
[03:06] <notdaniel> if only netboot could evolve a couple decades overnight
[03:20] <foxjazz> same problem... :(
[03:20] <foxjazz> 2 different sticks behave the same ways
[03:22] <TJ-> foxjazz: it's something with that hardware, I'm sure of it
[03:23] <foxjazz> I may get a cd rom drive
[03:24] <notdaniel> that probably will not help
[03:26] <TJ-> foxjazz: have you checked the hash of the ISO image ?
[03:29] <foxjazz> don't know how to check hash
[03:30] <foxjazz> downloaded 2 different iso from the site 16 and 17 tried both on the usb with similar results.
[03:30] <TJ-> foxjazz: does this help? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM#MD5SUM_on_Windows
[03:31] <notdaniel> can you use another machine just to determine if it gets further along in the boot process?
[03:32] <TJ-> foxjazz: the other thing you need do is tell us the exact file name and where the ISO was downloaded from so we can point you to the correct hash value to expect
[03:32] <foxjazz> 4672ce371fb3c1170a9e71bc4b2810b9
[03:33] <foxjazz> https://www.ubuntu.com/download/server
[03:35] <TJ-> Wonderful! they don't provide the sums for the image or tell you where to find them!
[03:35] <TJ-> amateurs
[03:36] <foxjazz> ok where should I download it from ?
[03:36] <TJ-> it's OK it is correct: 4672ce371fb3c1170a9e71bc4b2810b9 *ubuntu-17.04-server-amd64.iso
[03:36] <TJ-> found in http://releases.ubuntu.com/zesty/MD5SUMS
[03:37] <TJ-> foxjazz: so, I go back to what I said earlier - hardware issue
[03:37] <foxjazz> so I should burn it to dvd
[03:37] <notdaniel> of what sort?
[03:38] <foxjazz> or a cd....
[03:39] <foxjazz> wish I could boot over lan
[03:41] <TJ-> notdaniel: foxjazz hardware issue in that the USB boot device isn't appearing where the installer expects it, so it cannot run some of the programs it expects to because they're somewhere else. The ISO contains a squashfs image which it probably can't find
[03:41] <foxjazz> computer is fine. have a bios version F2
[03:41] <foxjazz> american mega blah
[03:42] <TJ-> foxjazz: whats the make/model of the PC, or the motherboard?
[03:42] <foxjazz> gigabyte amd
[03:42] <TJ-> foxjazz: exact model # would help, need to look it up
[03:42] <kk4ewt> how are you putting the iso on the usb
[03:43] <foxjazz> 990fxa-ud3 r5
[03:43] <TJ-> kk4ewt: from windows, foxjazz used both rufus and etcher
[03:43] <TJ-> foxjazz: give me a mo
[03:43] <TJ-> foxjazz: I think I have one of those motherboards in a box
[03:43] <foxjazz> date is 04/01/2015
[03:44] <TJ-> foxjazz: oh, no, this is a 970 not the 990
[03:46] <foxjazz> using forced FDD and IOMMU is enabled, if I disable IOMMU it all breaks to hell
[03:51] <TJ-> which I'd rather expect :)
[03:52] <TJ-> foxjazz: I'm reading some info that adding "iommu=soft" to the kernel command-line at the GRUB boot menu might solve it
[03:54] <TJ-> foxjazz: the recommendation is to first doa BIOS config default settings reset, re-enable IOMMU if it was disabled in that last step, then boot, "E"dit the GRUB menu entry, navigate to the line beginning "linux ..." and add " iommu-soft" then press Ctrl+X to boot linux with that option
[03:55] <TJ-> sorry, "iommu=soft"
[03:55] <foxjazz> ok
[03:56] <TJ-> foxjazz: that should allow the installer to work because the IOMMU won't be blocking access to the hardware. After a reboot into the installed system it *should* all work OK
[03:57] <TJ-> also, if these settings exist: Ensure IOMMU is enabled, XHCI handoff is enabled, EHCI handoff is disabled, USB Legacy support is enabled
[03:58] <TJ-> foxjazz: I'm also reading that it might need a permanent addtion to the kernel command line (by editing /etc/default/grub) to have "amd_iommu=on iommu=pt" instead of "iommu=soft"
[03:59] <malkauns> any suggestions on a cheap ATI gfx card that supports 4k (@ at least 30hz), for 4k video playback only (no games)?  prefer ATI over nvidia for the on-chip h265 decoding
[04:00] <foxjazz> in ash shell, I don't see anything under the default folder
[04:01] <TJ-> foxjazz: is that from the root shell of the installer?
[04:03] <foxjazz> I have the usb on the windows drive. is there a place I can edit it there?
[04:04] <TJ-> foxjazz: no, these changes are to be done to the installed system
[04:05] <TJ-> foxjazz: but, when you boot from the USB and are at the grub menu, you need to add the kernel command-line option there. To do that highlight the "Install ubuntu server" line, press 'E' to edit it, navigate down to the line beginning "linux ... " and add to the end "iommu=soft" then press Ctrl+x to boot with that change. That should help.
[04:07] <TJ-> foxjazz: it's gone 5am here so I may have to disappear, can't keep my eyes open much longer.
[04:10] <foxjazz> so that line said some cd stuff which I removed. and all ended up in the same bad place
[04:10] <foxjazz> gn
[04:10] <TJ-> foxjazz: the other stuff needs to remain! only add, don't take away
[04:10] <foxjazz> tx for all the info
[04:10] <foxjazz> will try... again
[04:11] <TJ-> remember the image is designed for a cdrom so there will be references to a cdrom directory in the system's boot instructions
[04:12] <foxjazz> better results
[04:12] <foxjazz> purple screen
[04:13] <foxjazz> doing stuff
[04:13] <TJ-> foxjazz: you're on the way now :)
[04:14] <notdaniel> let us now reflect for a moment on how such a problem should never take this long
[04:15] <notdaniel> i'm done, give me the blue pill, send me to apple's walled garden where nothing breaks
[04:15] <TJ-> hardware :p
[04:15] <notdaniel> (this is what goes through my head whenever _i_ have one of those nights where something that shouldve taken fifteen minutes took seven hours)
[04:15]  * TJ- knows the feeling well
[04:16] <TJ-> but I rejoice that we can get deep and dirty without walls to stop us
[04:16] <TJ-> if this were Windows - or OSX/MACOS/whatever - we'd be stuck
[04:16] <notdaniel> simple
[04:16] <notdaniel> you throw the machine out
[04:16] <Ben64> now let's fix this one :P https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bcmwl/+bug/1713638
[04:16] <notdaniel> you buy a new one
[04:16] <notdaniel> done
[04:16] <foxjazz> thanks, this may atake a few
[04:17] <notdaniel> the road towards broadcom working seamlessly under linux is merely an asymptotic one
[04:18] <Ben64> see but this isn't a broadcom issue
[04:19] <notdaniel> well, the other 96% of the times i blame broadcom without looking at the actual issue were correct
[04:19] <notdaniel> the odds are always with you on that one
[04:19] <Ben64> very true
[04:20] <notdaniel> right up there with nvidia drivers
[04:20] <Ben64> nvidia works well
[04:20] <TJ-> Ben64: it is a broadcom issue - as in, if they mainlined the driver then it would have been adjusted when the change was made
[04:21] <Ben64> TJ-: well, yes. but this problem seems to be because of the mismatch between the broadcom package in 16.04 and the newer kernel, i bet it works fine on zesty and artful
[04:24] <TJ-> Always an issue with out-of-tree modules. Internal structures change quite frequently
[04:24] <Ben64> seems like something that should be fixed before the newer kernel rolls from -edge to the normal hwe
[04:30] <TJ-> I guess because it's in restricted it's overlooked
[04:35] <TJ-> Ben64: looks like a pretty simple fix
[04:37] <azaki> has canonical announced what the upgrade plan looks like right now for 17.10 ? i mean i assume that both people on ubuntu-gnome and ubuntu-unity are going to both just be upgraded to the same gnome-based ubuntu desktop
[04:37] <azaki> but i'm wondering if there will be any weirdness as a result of the past differences between unity and gnome flavors
[04:38] <Ben64> TJ-: oh?
[04:39] <demophobia> Why do I not see any message when I try writing to the 'wall' with the shutdown command?
[04:46] <jdnf> i tried the new gnome shell and it seems canonical went extra mile to make it unusable
[04:46] <jdnf> on fedora, it is sleek and sexy
[04:48] <lotuspsychje> azaki: #ubuntu+1 for 17.10 questions :p
[04:48] <demophobia> jdnf, are you wanting to use ubuntu rather than fedora?
[04:48] <jdnf> i'm using it, yes
[04:48] <jdnf> with unity
[04:50] <TJ-> Ben64: just comment out the line referring to it, it's not needed
[04:57] <TJ-> Ben64: this commit explains why http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git/ubuntu/ubuntu-artful.git/commit/include/linux/netdevice.h?id=4a7c972644c1151f6dd34ff4b5f7eacb239e22ee
[05:05] <jdnf> !jaunty
[05:26] <dcypher> Help... just installed Docky, is the best I can do to 'hide' the Launcher is to auto-hide it?? Launcher pops back out even when I drag a file to trash it..
[05:53] <demophobia> does ubuntu have images to accompany the keyboard inputs listed? i don't recognize these layouts, e.g. "norman"
[05:53] <demophobia> i don't see a standard 'qwerty' one
[05:56] <Ben64> might be US
[05:59] <malkauns> any suggestions on a cheap ATI gfx card that supports 4k (@ at least 30hz), for 4k video playback only (no games)?  prefer ATI over nvidia for the on-chip h265 decoding
[06:01] <Ben64> malkauns: nvidia does hevc hardware acceleration
[06:01] <malkauns> not for linux
[06:02] <malkauns> Ben64, unless u know something that i dont
[06:02] <Ben64> pretty sure it does
[06:03] <malkauns> Ben64, google thinks otherwise unfortunately
[06:03] <Ben64> source?
[06:05] <malkauns> Ben64: https://askubuntu.com/questions/834997/how-to-enable-hardware-acceleration
[06:05] <malkauns> Ben64, you're partly right but it only supports main profile
[06:08] <Ben64> malkauns: that information is outdated though
[06:09] <malkauns> Ben64: i'm running nvidia driver 375.82 and cannot get hardware decoding to work
[06:09] <Ben64> what card
[06:10] <malkauns> GT 710
[06:11] <Ben64> gt710 doesn't have support for hardware accel of h265/hevc
[06:12] <malkauns> hmmm
[06:12] <Ben64> there's a list here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia_PureVideo
[06:13] <malkauns> https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/981372/geforce-basics/which-gpus-support-hevc-a-k-a-h-265-/
[06:13] <malkauns> ^ maybe that's wrong
[06:13] <Ben64> "GTX"
[06:13] <malkauns> ah :)
[06:14] <Ben64> and if you scroll further down, it shows gt 710 as being feature set d, which doesn't include hevc
[06:15] <malkauns> i c
[06:15] <malkauns> thx
[07:36] <arthur_wj> hi, does ubuntu 17.04 run a secret firewall that blocks external (ie outside LAN) access to Apache web server?
[07:37] <arthur_wj> check my configs many times
[07:39] <ikonia> no
[07:40] <ikonia> think about what you just asked, do you not think it would have been flagged on release day that 100,000 couldn't access any external site running apache
[07:40] <ikonia> wouldn't be much of a secret would it
[07:40] <ikonia> why dont you just state the problem you are having specfically
[07:46] <arthur_wj> ikonia, thanks for the response. my web server can't be accessed from outside. i configured port forwarding; even enabled DMZ. This worked on Debian but after I moved to Ubuntu 17.04 the same config doesn't work
[07:46] <ikonia> arthur_wj: ok, so you have ufw running or any other firewall interaction (eg: iptables on it's own)
[07:48] <Ben64> 1. check that it's listening on the right interface(s) and port(s); 2. check that you can access it from another machine on the same network; 3. check port(s) from internet to see if they're open
[07:49] <ikonia> make sure DNS is pointing at the right host (if you're using name resolution)
[07:53] <arthur_wj> thanks Ben64. My ISP blocks the 80 port so my server listens on both 80 and 88, and both can be accessed from other machines in the LAN. The 88 port is open (checked with canyouseeme.org
[07:54] <Ben64> then it works
[07:54] <arthur_wj> ikonia: I'm using a DDNS service and it's pointing to the correct IP
[07:55] <ikonia> arthur_wj: what is the DNS name of the host you're trying to connect to
[07:56] <arthur_wj> not sure how to understand ur question?
[07:56] <ikonia> "what is the URL of your webserver on the outside world"
[07:57] <arthur_wj> arthur0421.oicp.net
[07:57] <Ben64> arthur_wj: well your server can be accessed from the internet, everything works.
[07:57] <ikonia> arthur_wj: is 174.128.255.236 the correct IP
[07:57] <ikonia> arthur_wj: you're running nginx not apache
[07:58] <ikonia> are you sure this is your host ?
[07:59] <arthur_wj> it can? when i visit my webserver i just see an error page from the DDNS provider :(
[07:59] <ikonia> arthur_wj: a.) is the IP I posted correct b.) you're not running apache - are you sure this is your host
[07:59] <arthur_wj> ikonia: i am using apache, for sure
[07:59] <ikonia> arthur_wj: that host is NOT running apache
[08:00] <ikonia> so I think your DNS is probably wrong
[08:01] <arthur_wj> what does that mean, DNS is probably wrong?
[08:01] <Ben64> the ip that name points to is not your ip
[08:01] <ikonia> I suspect you should not be trying to run a web server if you're not sure of the basic of how DNS works
[08:03] <arthur_wj> that IP is correct (the external WAN IP)
[08:03] <Ben64> no it isn't
[08:08] <arthur_wj> OMG ur right
[08:10] <arthur_wj> thanks Ben64 and ikonia
[08:53] <FManTropyx> hey
[08:53] <FManTropyx> it has been a while since I have ran updates on my Ubuntu and it already wants to be rebooted
[08:54] <FManTropyx> the best course of action is probably to reboot it first, then update the package lists and run dist-upgrade (and finally reboot again if necessary)
[09:05] <cfhowlett> !oubg
[09:05] <cfhowlett> !ping
[09:17] <leotreasure> Hello, I was wondering if anyone can help me get ubuntu working correctly
[09:18] <leotreasure> I can't get a lot of programs installed thru Ubuntu software to open
[09:18] <FManTropyx> OUBG
[09:19] <leotreasure> when i open on terminal i get: "snap-confine has elevated permissions and is not confined but should be. Refusing to continue to avoid permission escalation attacks"
[09:21] <ikonia> larsfronius: thats interesting, where are the snaps coming from ?
[09:21] <ikonia> ubuntu official sources ?
[09:21] <leotreasure> i think so
[09:21] <ikonia> be worth checking
[09:22] <leotreasure> ok thanks
[09:25] <leotreasure> i just removed other gfx drivers sources that were there then: sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade
[09:25] <leotreasure> removed the software then reinstalled it through software center but still getting the same issue
[09:26] <ikonia> leotreasure: I'd raise a bug against those snaps then (personally)
[09:26] <ikonia> as it sounds like the permissions elevation config is wrong for them
[09:26] <leotreasure> ikonia, ok thanks
[09:29] <demophobia> how do i check whether i'm using gnome?
[09:29] <ikonia> demophobia: did you install it ?
[09:29] <demophobia> yes, i think echo $DESKTOP_SESSION may work
[09:29] <ikonia> I'm not sure $DESKTOP_SESSION is a valid variable, but if it is, thats useful to know
[09:29] <demophobia> nope. got that from https://superuser.com/questions/96151/how-do-i-check-whether-i-am-using-kde-or-gnome but it just says "Lubuntu"
[09:30] <ikonia> ughh,
[09:30] <demophobia> (it is, but doesn't answer the question as advertised)
[09:30] <ikonia> why are you installing gnome on lubuntu
[09:30] <ikonia> didn't you install lubuntu because you wanted to use LXDE ?
[09:33] <demophobia> ikonia, okay, so lxde and gnome are indeed categories? i thought "lxde uses gnome" was a valid statement.
[09:33] <demophobia> i thought lxde was the lubuntu desktop and gnome was the display system.
[09:33] <ikonia> no
[09:33] <ikonia> they are different desktop environments
[09:33] <ikonia> with respect, I'd suggest you look into what you are doing (ask if you're not sure) before doing it
[09:34] <ikonia> demophobia: what is it you're actually trying to achieve ?
[09:34] <demophobia> ikonia, thanks. that was just for conversation (good to know) -- my actual problem: i'm using dvorak primarily and Mozc for Japanese typing, but I want Mozc's typing to use qwerty layout, not Dvorak. I don't know how to change this.
[09:35] <demophobia> ("for conversation": someone was speaking as if i was using KDE and i thought i was using gnome)
[09:35] <ikonia> demophobia: so how does that relate to gnome ?
[09:35] <ikonia> maybe I'm missing the context here ?
[09:35] <demophobia> ikonia, just that someone said "you should be able to set -- short answer is it doesn't, never mind about that ...
[09:35] <demophobia> it was just a different conversation
[09:35] <demophobia> a side topic
[09:36] <ikonia> demophobia: so is the real question "I'm using lubuntu and want to change my keymap" ?
[09:37] <demophobia> ikonia, no, real question: How do I get Mozc to use qwerty instead of dvorak when i switch to it from dvorak?
[09:37] <ikonia> so you want one app to use a different keymap than the rest of the whole OS ?
[09:38] <demophobia> i tried adding a third keyboard, qwerty, thinking i could switch dvorak > qwerty > Mozc and Mozc would use qwerty, but instead it appears to be a "choose two" situation where ctrl+space doesn't recognize that 3 options are configured
[09:38] <demophobia> seems Fcitx is glitchy
[09:38] <demophobia> since i install 3 keyboard configurations and it only recognizes two when ...
[09:39] <ikonia> so you want one app to use a different keymap than the rest of the whole OS ?
[09:39] <demophobia> i don't understand your question. if Mozc is an app, then, yes.
[09:39] <demophobia> it's what windows10 does, pushing the japanese IME into qwerty
[09:39] <demophobia> so muscle memory
[09:40] <elektrinis> hello
[09:40] <bazhang> demophobia, why not go for ibus-mozc
[09:40] <demophobia> bazhang, 'cause I don't know how and fcitx was the first thing i got working
[09:40] <bazhang> demophobia, it's extremely simple
[09:40] <elektrinis> need some help overclocking nvidia card... It will not overclock if IGD is selected in BIOS - just does not care what coolbits are set.
[09:41] <ikonia> elektrinis: doesn't sounds like an ubuntu problem
[09:41] <elektrinis> now, is there a linux-based nvidia channel?
[09:42] <ikonia> no idea
[09:42] <ikonia> doesn't really sound like a "linux" problem, but I don't know
[09:42] <bazhang> elektrinis, try  ##hardware
[09:42] <elektrinis> thanks.
[09:42] <bazhang> np
[09:42] <elektrinis> I'll sit around here as well, if you don't mind. maybe someone will know.
[09:43] <ikonia> elektrinis: it's offtopic for this channel, so please don't ask in this channel *you're of course welcome to stay*
[09:43] <bazhang> which ubuntu software did you plan to use for that elektrinis
[09:43] <elektrinis> tried 16.04, now on 17
[09:43] <elektrinis> same results
[09:44] <bazhang> elektrinis, I mean which software to overclock
[09:44] <elektrinis> default 384 driver
[09:44] <bazhang> elektrinis, IN NVidia settings?
[09:45] <elektrinis> yes. both terminal and gui
[09:45] <bazhang> elektrinis, does nvidia-settings have an option to overclock
[09:46] <elektrinis> yes and no. if EPG is selected in bios, after I set correct coolbits value, I can overclock the card both via terminal and GUI.
[09:46] <bazhang> elektrinis, the gui of what exact software package
[09:46] <elektrinis> if IGD is selected in bios, it does not care what coolbits are set, OC option does not appear in GUI
[09:47] <FManTropyx> is it okay, if I install programs from the Internet?
[09:47] <bazhang> FManTropyx, are they not in the ubuntu repos?
[09:47] <elektrinis> bazhang nvidia settings gui from the v384 driver.
[09:51] <FManTropyx> it seems that there are newer versions for many applications than exist there, eg. clang and Qt
[09:52] <bazhang> FManTropyx, that is certainly true, what exactly do you need for these very newest versions
[09:53] <FManTropyx> not really, would just like to have the latest, if possible - sometimes I ran into issues running old software :)
[09:54] <ikonia> FManTropyx: you need to change your approach then
[09:54] <ikonia> FManTropyx: blindly chasing version numbers is very bad
[09:55] <FManTropyx> I was actually just about to change my approach to that :) having typically refused to update programs because updating always breaks something :D
[09:56] <bazhang> FManTropyx, how is that possible, always
[09:57] <bazhang> FManTropyx, what version of ubuntu is this
[10:37] <adri4n09> k
[11:05] <FManTropyx> well, I was speaking generally
[11:20] <RalphBa> hi all
[11:21] <RalphBa> I'm actually trying to install ubuntu 17.10 daily on an already encrypted usb drive. there is a huge btrfs and I tried to convince ubuntu installer to install on that btrfs without reformatting(took care there is no @ snapshot on it).
[11:21] <RalphBa> well, I could configure installer, but it hangs at detecting filesystems
[11:22] <tomreyn> !ubuntu+1
[11:22] <RalphBa> is there a way to even avoid partitioning configuration and directly mount /mnt for installation?
[11:22] <tomreyn> RalphBa: see the message ubottu posted
[11:23] <RalphBa> ah
[11:23] <RalphBa> ok, thanks
[11:38] <demophobia> Is it correct to say that terminal/command prompt is the fundamental way to interact with the computer, and GUI -- which most use -- is built on top of it? i.e. you can always do more in terminal than by clicking?
[11:39] <ikonia> demophobia: no
[11:39] <demophobia> :(
[11:40] <demophobia> different question: is it more efficient to minimize use of the terminal, or to maximize its use?
[11:40] <ikonia> demophobia: personal choice
[11:40] <ikonia> no black or white response
[11:40] <demophobia> i'm wondering if there's a 'learning curve' or if it's less efficient
[11:42] <skinux> I need to know which log file to check for hard disk I/O errors? Software keeps crashing here and there, I want to make sure if hard disk is failing.
[11:43] <ikonia> skinux: syslog
[11:43] <ikonia> there are also tools
[11:47] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:57] <skinux> ikonia: syslog isn't a command, I'm looking for commands or tools that will allow me to see any hard disk io errors
[11:58] <ikonia> skinux: you asked for which FILE to check
[11:58] <ikonia> skinux: syslog is the file
[11:59] <skinux> Oh.
[12:00] <skinux> Well, if I could get past the AppArmor entries, I might be able to see something
[12:01] <ikonia> fileter it
[12:01] <ikonia> filter
[12:01] <skinux> How?
[12:01] <ikonia> grep
[12:01] <skinux> I used grep to check for "io"
[12:01] <skinux> I don't know how to use grep to filter things out
[12:01] <ikonia> man grep
[12:01] <ikonia> grep -v
[12:01] <ikonia> if you know you can use grep, you know you can use man grep to see the options
[12:02] <brainwash> why are there so many apparmor entries?
[12:02] <ikonia> that is a different but important question
[12:02] <skinux> Umm, because apparmor does a lot?
[12:03] <ikonia> it does nothing
[12:03] <brainwash> maybe it's best if you share your log
[12:05] <skinux> Here's output from smartctl https://gist.github.com/skinuxgeek/292bf2204b35c179f3bdda6eb6e08dc5
[12:08] <leotreasure> Hello, I've changed my kernel to 4.11.0-kfd-compute-rocm-rel-1.6-148
[12:08] <leotreasure> is there any way to go back to the standard one?
[12:08] <ikonia> change the grub entry or remove the other kernel
[12:09] <leotreasure> I've changed the grub entry to 0
[12:09] <leotreasure> but it still persits
[12:09] <ikonia> how did you change the grub entry
[12:09] <ikonia> is the old kernel in the grub list still ?
[12:09] <ikonia> I suspect this is stuff you should have known before installing 3rd party kernel packages
[12:10] <leotreasure> changed GRUB_DEFAULT in /etc/default/grub
[12:10] <ikonia> leotreasure: did you rebuild the grub config after changing it ?
[12:10] <leotreasure> i did sudo update-grub\
[12:10] <ikonia> so look at the grub.cfg and see what that looks like in relation to your kernel list
[12:11] <ikonia> manually check the grub menu when it boots
[12:13] <leotreasure> where can i find my kernel list?
[12:13] <ikonia> in the grub.cfg - and visually in the grub menu when you boot
[12:13] <ioria> dpkg -l|grep linux-image-[0-9]|grep ^ii|
[12:14] <ioria> leotreasure, sy, dpkg -l|grep linux-image-[0-9]|grep ^ii
[12:14] <leotreasure> thanks!
[12:15] <ioria> leotreasure, did you use the rocm repo ?
[12:15] <leotreasure> ioria: yes
[12:15] <ioria> leotreasure, bad
[12:15] <leotreasure> but i've unchecked it in the sources now
[12:16] <ioria> leotreasure, oky
[12:16] <leotreasure> and apt uninstalled rocm and rocm-dev
[12:16] <leotreasure> there's 17 results for 'rocm' in the /boot/grub/grub.cfg fuke
[12:17] <leotreasure> file*
[12:18] <ioria> leotreasure, can't you boot another kernel from grub screen ?
[12:19] <leotreasure> i don't think the shift shortcut works to bring up grub
[12:19] <ioria> leotreasure, are you dual boot ?
[12:20] <leotreasure> no
[12:21] <ioria> leotreasure, ok, comment GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0  with a '#' in /etc/default/grub   and run sudo update-grub
[12:22] <leotreasure> thanks!
[12:22] <ioria> leotreasure, reboot -> Advanced Options
[12:22] <leotreasure> it says it found both kernels
[12:23] <leotreasure> where's advanced options?
[12:23] <ioria> leotreasure, in the Grub screen (you need to reboot the machine)
[12:24] <demophobia> any idea why this video player is going to an interminable loading graphic? http://southpark.cc.com/full-episodes/s02e05-conjoined-fetus-lady#source=6154fc40-b7a3-4387-94cc-fc42fc47376e:25eeb97e-ed8e-11e0-aca6-0026b9414f30&position=5&sort=!airdate
[12:24] <leotreasure> ioria: ok thanks brb
[12:24] <demophobia> it's season 2 ep 5 -- i wonder if it's a plugin problem
[12:24] <ioria> leotreasure, ok
[12:27] <skinux> Is there a graphical tool that'll show me hard disk I/O errors????
[12:28] <ikonia> skinux: just use the disk tools,
[12:29] <ikonia> skinux: the output is really black and white
[12:29] <ikonia> as is the syslog warnings
[12:29] <ioria> skinux, gnome-disks has a smart option iirc
[12:30] <leotreasure> ioria: thanks I booted to the regular kernel!
[12:30] <ikonia> ioria: is that any good, as it never used to give good output that you could trust
[12:30] <ioria> leotreasure, good, weel done
[12:30] <ioria> ikonia, really ?
[12:30] <leotreasure> ioria: how can i make it automatically go for this one?
[12:31] <ikonia> ioria: I certainly used to get a lot of false positive
[12:31] <ioria> ikonia, ok
[12:32] <ioria> leotreasure, in /etc/default/grub change GRUB_DEFAULT=0    to GRUB_DEFAULT="1>2"   (if your default kernel  is the 3° item) or you can remove that rocm kernel
[12:33] <leotreasure> thanks a lot ioria
[12:33] <ioria> leotreasure, you're welcm
[12:35] <ioria> leotreasure,  after the change, run sudo update-grub
[12:36] <leotreasure_> ioria: hmm didn't work :(
[12:36] <ioria> leotreasure,  uname -r
[12:37] <leotreasure_> 4.11.0-kfd-compute-rocm-rel-1.6-148
[12:37] <leotreasure_> what do the 1>2 mean?
[12:38] <leotreasure_> at grub, i did press enter, maybe i should have waited
[12:38] <leotreasure_> i'll try again brb
[12:38] <ioria> leotreasure, 1 = Advanced ; 0=4.11.0-kfd 1=recovery mode for 4.11.0-kfd- (that probably does not exist) and 2=default ubuntu kernel .... so change to "1>1"
[12:43] <leotreasure> thanks ioria i got it in the end - needed to do 3
[12:43] <ioria> leotreasure,  ok
[12:52] <konrados> Hello! I think I want to restart my 'X server'. That is, I changed some stuff... anyway, I can see a lot of advices, like here: https://enricator.wordpress.com/2012/01/16/howto-ubuntu-restart-x-without-rebooting/ but most of them are quite old. I have Ubuntu Xenial + KDE. I seemingly use lightdm, should I $ sudo systemctl restart lightdm.service
[12:54] <EriC^^> konrados: yes
[12:54] <konrados> EriC^^, cool, thanks!
[12:54] <EriC^^> np
[12:54] <dedze> Hello is it normal that Software Updater can install security update (I have Ubuntu 16.4) without asking for my password?
[12:56] <brainwash> dedze: I assume it's done via the unattended-upgrades package
[12:57] <dedze> brainwash: What does it mean?
[12:57] <brainwash> "automatic installation of security upgrades"
[12:57] <venzen> dedze: yes, it runs with special privileges, so when you click "Install" it doesn't ask for a password
[12:57] <dedze> Ouch I just got a warning
[12:57] <dedze> The volume "boot" has only 17.9 disk space remaining
[12:58] <venzen> 17.9 MB ?
[12:58] <brainwash> run "sudo apt-get autoremove" to remove old kernel data
[12:58] <dedze> Yes
[12:59] <venzen> dedze: you'll have to unsinstall some of the older kernels via Synaptic or another package utility
[12:59] <venzen> or... as brainwash says :)
[12:59] <dedze> Also I clicked examine
[12:59] <dedze> It opened Disk Usage Analyzer
[13:00] <dedze> And it says; 'Could not scan some of the folders contained in "/boot"'
[13:00] <dedze> Error opening directory '/boot/lost+found': Permission denied
[13:00] <dedze> And it shows boot as 405.9 MB but my disk should be 500
[13:01] <dedze> Or maybe 500GB
[13:02] <venzen> dedze: if you open a atermina what does the following command say for /boot and / (root)?: def -h
[13:02] <venzen> *a terminal
[13:02] <venzen> sorry, again: df -h
[13:04] <dedze> venzen: https://paste.ubuntu.com/25556693/
[13:05] <venzen> dedze: your system's disk usage seems normal
[13:05] <venzen> dedze: i would run: sudo apt-get autoremove
[13:06] <venzen> get rid of those old kernel images in /boot, if your current kernel is fine
[13:06] <dedze> BTW venzen, shouldn't everything add up to 500GB?
[13:06] <venzen> dedze: it won't add up to the total you assigned because of the filesystem journal taking up extra space
[13:07] <venzen> dedze: also, if its an SSD then it will reserve abt 10% space for its own contigency requirements
[13:07] <gunix> what was that setting within gnome to stop full screen apps (like games) from minimizing when alt tabbing?
[13:08] <venzen> dedze: so whatever you assign during partitioning, the OS will always report less during actual use
[13:08] <dedze> venzen: oki, I ask because I've read of some hackers installing secret partitions on people computers
[13:08] <venzen> dedze: if there was a secret partition then "df -h" will report it
[13:08] <ikonia> not if it's not mounted
[13:10] <venzen> ikonia: true
[13:10] <dedze> Oh oki venzen
[13:10] <dedze> venzen: and so the updates were done and installed 100% without needing my password, can you confirm that it's normal? Usually it asks my password I'm pretty sure
[13:11] <ikonia> dedze: when you authenticate software manager, it will retain authentication for a set ammount of time before prompting you again for password
[13:11] <konrados> EriC^^, I'm scared of restarting X after reading these comments: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1220/how-to-restart-x-window-server-from-command-line#comment1518185_1222 - "Running "sudo systemctl restart lightdm.service" seems to have broken xorg or lightdm or something for me. Now when I restart my laptop I just get a black screen" and then "the solution seemed to be to restart lightdm.service again from a TTY. However, then I got stuck in a
[13:11] <konrados> login loop" - do have an idea why this guy got into this troubles? I'm a noob, and if I'll get into something like this, I'll be in big troubles :( Or was it just an accident and I shouldn't worry too much?
[13:11] <venzen> dedze: as brainwash confirmed, security updates install without a password because they run via "unattended-upgrades"
[13:12] <dedze> venzen: Oki oki, I was just a bit worried :p
[13:12] <venzen> dedze: that part is normal :)
[13:13] <venzen> dedze: if you're worried about your system install a rootkit hunter and check for hidden partitions via gparted
[13:14] <ikonia> rootkit hunters are worhtless
[13:14] <brainwash> konrados: that command should not affect any system files. did you make any changes before running it? why did you even ask about restarting Xorg?
[13:14] <venzen> however, a hacker doesn't need a disk partition to do maximum damage, they can always use memory or whatever dirs they do have access to
[13:14] <EriC^^> konrados: i think something else was wrong, i've restarted a ton of times with no problems myself
[13:14] <venzen> dedze: do you have a firewall on your system?
[13:16] <dedze> venzen: I did sudo ufw enable right after installing ubuntu
[13:16] <venzen> dedze: that should be ok
[13:17] <dedze> venzen: I'm always paranoid about being hacked because it happened to me once in windows long ago
[13:17] <konrados> EriC^^, thanks, then I'll just try it, I have to be brave :)
[13:17] <EriC^^> ;)
[13:17] <konrados> brainwash, that wasn't my problem, but someone's on the askubuntu.com, that is why I was just afraid of running the command, but I'll do it now
[13:18] <dedze> venzen: brainwash , ikonia Thanks for helping me guys, have a nice day :)
[13:19] <venzen> dedze: windows is super-insecure and linux is fundamentally secure, so retain some healthy paranoia but don't lose sleep over it, with a firewall and sudo as standard you're well protected
[13:19] <ikonia> venzen: pretty much the worst thing to say to someone
[13:19] <dedze> venzen: Thanks :)
[13:19] <ikonia> windows has firewall enabled by default, and has UAC enabled by default, and is only as secure as the person operating it, so please don't make it sound like windows is weak and linux is safe out of hte box
[13:19] <venzen> ikonia: are you here to corrected me on every other comment?
[13:20] <ikonia> venzen: if you stop saying things that aren't correct, I won't
[13:21] <venzen> ikonia: your idea of correct and mine are different - mind your own business - you know windows is vulnerable
[13:21] <ikonia> venzen: linux is also vunerable if the operator is unwise, and you're speaking of advice in a public channel, so it is my business
[13:21] <venzen> ikonia: 1-to1 Linux is deemed multiples more secure than Windows out the box
[13:21] <ikonia> venzen: I'm sorry, but no
[13:22] <venzen> ikonia: well qualify your no
[13:22] <ikonia> not, it's not for this channel
[13:24] <venzen> ikonia: we can get into opsec and individuals' awareness of best practice, but put a fresh linux box and fresh windows box on the net and we know which will be intruded first
[13:24] <ikonia> of you go then
[13:24] <ikonia> just not in this channel
[13:26] <venzen> you challenge me on a statement and I say to you every OS is not equal when it comes to its security features. Surely you can acknowledge that?
[13:27] <ikonia> there is nothing to acknowledge, it's offtopic for this channel
[13:31] <venzen> i was about to tell you about yourself, but you're doing fine showing the channel by yourself. Ubuntu security is offtopic? wadibackside...
[13:31] <konrados> It's ALIVE!!! I mean my X. Thank you  EriC^^ & brainwash!
[13:31] <ikonia> venzen: you're welcome to discuss ubuntu security in response to helping someone,
[13:32] <ikonia> stating "ubuntu is secure because it has sudo by default and windows is not" is just incorrect info to give people,
[13:32] <ikonia> if you want to discuss linux v windows security, thats fine, just not in this channel,
[13:32] <ikonia> hopefully that clears it up
[13:32] <venzen> ikonia: just briefly, are you a mod here, or just an imposing determinator?
[13:32] <ikonia> I'm a channel operator
[13:37] <venzen> right, so don't lose perspective between your role as op and what falls outside your idea of good advice. I have no desire to discuss anything about windows - the person i was speaking to revealed they are unaware of the security advantages of linux over windows and i gave them a pointer, that's all
[13:37] <ikonia> venzen: this has nothing to do with being an op,
[13:37] <venzen> but thats when you started waving your arms and pulling rank, so i wanted to know " who are you to pull rank? "
[13:38] <ikonia> no-one is pulling rank
[13:38] <ikonia> and no-one is waving any arms
[13:38] <venzen> but fine, some ops wave their arms and tell people what to say and not say
[13:38] <ikonia> if you'd like to discuss it further you're welcome to join #ubuntu-ops
[13:38] <venzen> enjoy it
[13:38] <ikonia> venzen: so because some ops do that, you make another false statement that I am
[13:38] <venzen> no need, i've spoken to you
[13:39] <ikonia> then please drop it, and try to think about the information you offer to people
[13:39] <venzen> you're going to keep pressing that button aren't you? :)
[13:39] <ikonia> ??
[13:39] <mentalita> :>
[13:41] <venzen> ikonia: "try to think about the information you offer to people"
[13:41] <ikonia> venzen: yes, please do
[13:41] <venzen> you think i don't think?
[13:41] <ikonia> either move to #ubuntu-ops to discuss it or drop it
[13:41] <ikonia> no more please
[13:41] <tomreyn> venzen: please go to #ubuntu-offtopic if you would like to continue this chat
[13:41] <tomreyn> it doesn't belong here
[13:42] <venzen> i'm addressing an op, not you tomreyn
[13:42] <tomreyn> i'm not a channel op, am unaffiliated with ubuntu or canonical, but, but can read the channel topic
[13:54] <ikonia> win 20
[13:54] <ikonia> oops
[14:44] <skinux> How does WP suport embedding a video in a post, the actual video -- not just a link?
[14:44] <skinux> Damn wrong channnel
[15:07] <afidegnum> hello, pls i can't connect my 4G mobile wifi to my PC... ubuntu 16.04,  what do i need to make it run?
[15:08] <TJ-> afidegnum: you'll need to provide more specific details.
[15:09] <TJ-> afidegnum: what model is the device, how does it connect to the PC, if it is USB does it need to use usb_modeswitch to change it's USB ID and present the network interface (many devices default to emulating a CD-ROM which contains Windows OS drivers).
[15:10] <afidegnum> i have installed usb_modeswitch   and my modem connect via USB, the model is HUAWEI MobileWifi E5372
[15:10] <TJ-> afidegnum: does it get mod-switched or does it remain as an emulated CD-ROM?
[15:12] <TJ-> afidegnum: show us the result of  "pastebinit <( lsusb )"
[15:15] <afidegnum> ok
[15:17] <afidegnum> TJ-: here is result, http://paste.ubuntu.com/25557566/
[15:18] <TJ-> afidegnum: That suggests the device has switched into network mode. NetworkManager should see it. Can you show us "pastebinit <( nmcli device )"
[15:19] <afidegnum> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25557575/
[15:20] <TJ-> afidegnum: so it's there "cdc-wdm0"
[15:21] <TJ-> afidegnum: you should be able to use nmapplet (the network icon in the taskbar) to "Edit Connection..." and create a new connection for it
[15:25] <TJ-> afidegnum: you should also see an entry under "Mobile Broadband" in the network icon's menu, with that device listed, which you should be able to 'click' to enable
[15:25] <afidegnum> this is what i have https://pasteboard.co/GKNJncG.png
[15:26] <TJ-> afidegnum: so follow through the steps in that setup wizard. select the device first then press "next"
[15:27] <afidegnum> well, unfortunately, i don't know hte APN of my provider, the haven't written to me after i sent them a mail
[15:27] <TJ-> afidegnum: a web search should help there
[15:28] <TJ-> afidegnum: most providers are already entered into the Linux database so you might find the ISP name in the list
[15:58] <afidegnum> TJ-: it didn't work
[15:58] <afidegnum> i called the Network provider and they gave me the network settings, but no response,
[16:00] <afidegnum> is a particular package for mobilewifi that can make it work?
[16:01] <qswz> if you have a 1TB disc, 8Go RAM, how much swap would you allocate?
[16:03] <BluesKaj> 12G swap
[16:03] <qswz> Ok, thanks
[16:03] <TJ-> afidegnum: No, if the device is connected (and has the SIM card in correctly!) it should be available as soon as you've set the APN details
[16:06] <afidegnum> it's strange
[16:07] <TJ-> afidegnum: has the NetworkManager wizard setup the connection now, but you can't get traffic over it?
[16:08] <afidegnum> yes, that's what's happening
[16:08] <TJ-> afidegnum: so are you disabling the other network connections so the cellular modem becomes the default route?
[16:08] <afidegnum> "you are connected to the home network" if can recall   but no traffic
[16:09] <afidegnum> initially, the mi-fi id showed up but greyed out
[16:09] <afidegnum> as there is no traffic
[16:09] <isene> How can I configure my laptop to blank the screen when I close the lid (not suspend or hibernate - but rather just blank it to save battery)?
[16:10] <TJ-> isene: depends on which GUI you use as to where the power settings are. Often they're accessible via a taskbar 'battery' icon
[16:10] <SummerRain> After installing ubuntu 17.04, i got this : gnome-session-properties crashed with SIGSEGV in __libc_start_main()
[16:11] <isene> I'm on 13-wm (bare-bone on X, no underlying Gnome/KDE)
[16:11] <TJ-> SummerRain: fresh install or upgrade from a previous release?
[16:11] <SummerRain> fresh install
[16:11] <SummerRain> @TJ- fresh install
[16:11] <TJ-> isene: then I think that may be controlled by systemd; someone talked about the setting for that option yesterday but I forget what it is right now
[16:12] <afidegnum> TJ-: but initially, the Mifi was working
[16:12] <TJ-> SummerRain: and does this happen every time the user tries to log-in ?
[16:12] <afidegnum> i don't know what happened and suddently i m facing htis
[16:12] <SummerRain> yes it does @TJ
[16:12] <isene> SomeoneElse : Ping
[16:12] <TJ-> afidegnum: you've not accidentall flicked the hardware radio kill switch have you? check the status with "rfkill list"
[16:13] <TJ-> SummerRain: are you familiar with working in a command-line console/shell?
[16:13] <SummerRain> yes im updating packages right now
[16:13] <SummerRain> @TJ- i ran update, now im running upgrade
[16:14] <SummerRain> Ok, all done. I had to run update again...
[16:14] <qswz> is it a 32bit version?
[16:14] <SummerRain> 64bit
[16:15] <TJ-> SummerRain: check out $HOME/.xsession-errors in case there are additional clues there
[16:15] <TJ-> SummerRain: also check in /var/log/auth.log and possibly /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[16:15] <afidegnum> TJ-: no output
[16:16] <TJ-> afidegnum: so the PC has no wireless devices?
[16:17] <afidegnum> TJ-: no, i connect via LAN and want to connect via USB
[16:17] <TJ-> afidegnum: if it has Wifi, or Bluetooth, both would show up in rfkill list
[16:17] <SummerRain> @TJ- what should I look into $HOME/.xsession-errors ?
[16:18] <TJ-> SummerRain: "less $HOME/.xsession-errors" to look at it; see if anything there strikes you as helpful. Maybe "pastebinit $HOME/.xsession-errors"
[16:18] <TJ-> afidegnum: I'd check out /var/log/syslog carefully to look for clues
[16:18] <SummerRain> nothing @TJ- nothing out of the normal
[16:18] <SummerRain> Xorg is empty
[16:19] <SummerRain> @TJ- sorry, xLog here https://pastebin.com/zAEtxcBa
[16:19] <TJ-> SummerRain: there should be something in Xorg.log... is there some other numbered version there instead of 0? try "ls /var/log/Xorg*
[16:20] <TJ-> SummerRain: Xorg.0.log looks fine.
[16:20] <SummerRain> https://pastebin.com/78zyMMxt
[16:20] <TJ-> SummerRain: is there a /var/log/lightdm/lightdm.log
[16:21] <SummerRain> @TJ- i will look into it, but for now
[16:21] <SummerRain> https://pastebin.com/WERUpKjB
[16:22] <SummerRain> @TJ- yes there is https://pastebin.com/dv22KTJQ
[16:22] <nocco> What is the name of the irc channel for ubuntu 17.10?
[16:22] <BluesKaj> ubunut+1
[16:22] <BluesKaj> ubuntu+1 even
[16:23] <SummerRain> I think i might be in the wrong channel
[16:23] <SummerRain> i have 17.10 I think...
[16:23] <nocco> BluesKaj: thanks!
[16:24] <SummerRain> Oh its 17.04
[16:24] <TJ-> SummerRain: it's frustrating but there's no indication in those logs of any issues
[16:24] <TJ-> SummerRain:  does this problem continue after a reboot
[16:24] <SummerRain> it does
[16:24] <afidegnum> TJ-: https://ghostbin.com/paste/ah9cw
[16:30] <afidegnum> TJ-: that's the log record, i can recollect some failures at the end of the logs,
[16:32] <TJ-> afidegnum: line 4285 "<warn> [1505662875.2102] (cdc-wdm0): failed to connect modem: Only IPv4 is supported by this modem"
[16:33] <TJ-> afidegnum: check the connection config via the Connection Editor. Disable the IPv6 side of things completely. Then try it again
[16:47] <afidegnum> TJ-: no success
[16:53] <TJ-> afidegnum: do you access to another PC (Linux or windows) where you could test the device, in case there's something wrong with it, not Ubuntu?
[16:55] <venzen> TJ- afidegnum: i've had problems with these Huawei 3/4G USB devices before that lasted days... the cause is often in the device's PIN needed to activate it
[16:56] <TJ-> venzen: afidegnum I've got 2 devices and no problems with either, but don't have PINs set. afidegnum, have you checked whether the device is PIN-locked?
[16:57] <TJ-> afidegnum: both of mine present as cdc-ethernet "wired" connections though. This laptop has a cdc-wdm via an internal mini-pcie card and inbuit SIM slot, but no PIN locking I've ever seen
[16:58] <venzen> TJ- afidegnum: it might have been specific to the models in Southern Africa, so it might not be relevant here, but it was an issue for me on family's Windows machines
[16:58] <Zwei> Hello, this is probably the wrong place to ask, but no one's answering in #lubuntu (plus it's a simple question). In the manpage of lxterminal it says the syntax to open multiple tabs is: -t NAME[,NAME[,NAME[...]]]
[16:59] <Zwei> I've tried lxterminal -t "t1,t2" - doesn't work
[16:59] <Zwei> I removed the "" - doesn' work
[16:59] <Zwei> what's the correct syntax?
[16:59] <Zwei> Thank you in advance
[17:03] <TJ-> Zwei: have you considered the man-page might be out of date?
[17:05] <venzen> Zwei: i answered in #lubuntu
[17:05] <theablestman> hello
[17:05] <Zwei> venzen: thank you!
[17:05] <TJ-> Zwei: yeah, it's actually --tabs=test1,test2,test3
[17:05] <Zwei> TJ-: I did not consider that, but I'll take note for the future,
[17:05] <theablestman> how do i download..install steamos 64
[17:05] <theablestman> using terminal
[17:07] <afidegnum> TJ-: i have tested the device on my laptop PC, which works
[17:08] <TJ-> afidegnum: So not a PIN then
[17:09] <TJ-> afidegnum: I can only think that there's some problem in ModemManager where it is incorrectly communicating with that particular device.
[17:09] <TJ-> afidegnum: what OS is the laptop using?
[17:11] <afidegnum> the laptop is on Windows OS
[17:12] <BluesKaj> theablestman, you could install the steam-installer
[17:12] <de-facto> How come using Firefox blocks the entire audio on Ubuntu systemwide? Can I somehow tell firefox to behave and use proper pulseaudio?
[17:12] <theablestman> yes how
[17:13] <JFox762> hi
[17:13] <theablestman> hi
[17:13] <BluesKaj> sudo apt install steam-installer or look in your package manager, the app is in the repos
[17:13] <JFox762> I have a question... I want to add add another timezone time displayed on my titlebar
[17:13] <theablestman> k
[17:14] <JFox762> I also want there tho be text next to the time, in order to tell me which timezone I'm looking at
[17:14] <JFox762> For instance, BK 00:14 Phx 10:14
[17:14] <theablestman> says
[17:14] <theablestman> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[17:15] <theablestman> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[17:15] <theablestman> is it because im updating?
[17:16] <BluesKaj> the yup
[17:16] <BluesKaj> theablestman, Y
[17:16] <theablestman> ok ty
[17:16] <theablestman> k
[17:16] <JFox762> you need to be closed out of any package handling or "app store" applications
[17:17] <JFox762> If I'm not mistaken
[17:17] <theablestman> me JFox762 ?
[17:17] <BluesKaj> you can't install packages with 2 package mangers simultaneously, theablestman
[17:17] <theablestman> ok
[17:17] <theablestman> ill try after update/restart
[17:18] <JFox762> yes ablestman?
[17:18] <theablestman> talking to me?
[17:18] <JFox762> yes
[17:18] <theablestman> ok ty
[17:18] <theablestman> "_
[17:18] <theablestman> :)
[17:18] <theablestman> javafox?
[17:18] <JFox762> no
[17:18] <JFox762> haha
[17:18] <theablestman> lol
[17:19] <theablestman> good guess?
[17:19] <JFox762> So... does anyone how I can edit the Title bar to show two different times for different timezones?
[17:19] <theablestman> *>system settings>time and date
[17:20] <theablestman> the gear in upper right corner
[17:21] <JFox762> It doesnt have an option to show multiple times
[17:21] <JFox762> only if I click on the drop down menu
[17:21] <[n0mad]> i think there's a gnome extension to do what you want but not sure about on other DEs
[17:22] <theablestman> JFox762, https://askubuntu.com/questions/563954/xubuntu-multiple-time-zones-displayed
[17:27] <theablestman> JFox762, does that work?
[17:28] <JFox762> looks like that is made for xubuntu
[17:28] <JFox762> not ubuntu 17.04
[17:28] <theablestman> try it
[17:30] <JFox762> It is already installed
[17:30] <JFox762> and apparently, it only shows the other timezones if I click on the clock
[17:30] <JFox762> the drop down menu shows the other timezones
[17:30] <theablestman> its for gnome?
[17:30] <JFox762> I don't necessarily want to always have to click on that, just to view the time in another timezone
[17:30] <JFox762> I think this is still unity
[17:30] <JFox762> I wish I had installed Gnome instead :(
[17:31] <JFox762> can you install a different desktop, after you've installed Ubuntu?
[17:31] <theablestman> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/12/add-time-zones-world-clock-ubuntu
[17:31] <theablestman> yes
[17:31] <JFox762> or would I have to do a complete reinstall?
[17:32] <JFox762> oh ok
[17:32] <theablestman> no
[17:32] <JFox762> well according to those instructions
[17:32] <JFox762> it isn't really telling me how to do anything I haven't done already
[17:32] <JFox762> I already have the other city in there
[17:32] <theablestman> https://itsfoss.com/add-multiple-timezones-ubuntu-1404/
[17:33] <JFox762> but it still will only display only one time on the titlebar at any given time
[17:33] <JFox762> I can only see the different timezone times, at the same time, if I click on the drop down menu
[17:33] <theablestman> you want like the xubuntu one right?
[17:34] <JFox762> I want my titlebar, to display two times concurrently
[17:34] <JFox762> without having to click on the drop down menu
[17:34] <JFox762> Those instructions don't allow me to do that
[17:34] <theablestman> https://askubuntu.com/questions/523222/multiple-clocks-on-desktop
[17:34] <theablestman> ok
[17:35] <JFox762> unfortunately, screenlets is not available on ubuntu 17.04
[17:36] <JFox762> I was able to get Screenlets to work on my Chromebok C720 running GalliumOS (Linux distro for chromebooks)
[17:36] <theablestman> JFox762, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeAndDate
[17:36] <JFox762> but when I type sudo apt-get install screenlets.. it tells me "not found"
[17:36] <JFox762> specifically
[17:37] <JFox762> https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA392/how-do-i-manage-my-conversation-history-in-skype-for-windows-desktop#4
[17:37] <JFox762> oops
[17:37] <JFox762> wrong paste
[17:37] <theablestman> sudo apt-get updates
[17:37] <JFox762> https://thepasteb.in/p/AnhrAvWypxYcv
[17:38] <theablestman> one min
[17:38] <ananke> hmm, I'm not initmately familiar with ubuntu, so was wondering how can I find the latest kernel package for ubuntu 12.04.2 LTS? I'm specifically looking for version number, for that specific release (not subsequent 12.04.x). What would be a good way to find out that info?
[17:38] <theablestman> https://askubuntu.com/questions/845867/how-to-install-screenlets-on-ubuntu-16-10
[17:38] <theablestman> JFox762,
[17:38] <theablestman> https://askubuntu.com/questions/845867/how-to-install-screenlets-on-ubuntu-16-10
[17:39] <geirha> 12.04 is no longer supported
[17:39] <ntd> Anyone here have a Logitech Unifying dongle and care to help me by reading out its firmware? should only take a minute or so
[17:39] <theablestman> wifi dongle?
[17:40] <ananke> geirha: indeed, but that's not the question :)
[17:41] <TJ-> ananke: look at the manifest list for the ISO
[17:41] <ananke> I'm looking at info provided at http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/info/kernel-version-map.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Support, but I'm not sure how to find an authoritative answer to 'what was the latest kernel package that was released'
[17:42] <ananke> TJ-: interesting, I would have never expected ISOs to be updated past the initial release
[17:43] <Bashing-om> ananke: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/ ??
[17:43] <theablestman> JFox762, http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/12/add-time-zones-world-clock-ubuntu
[17:43] <TJ-> ananke: "linux-image-3.5.0-23-generic 3.5.0-23.35~precise1" from http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/12.04.2/ and then http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/12.04.2/ubuntu-12.04.2-desktop-amd64.manifest
[17:44] <ananke> TJ-: thanks, I was just looking at that. I'm going to dig through that file and see what the latest 3.2.0 series was available
[17:46] <TJ-> ananke: according to the manifest for 12.04.1 it's linux-image-3.2.0-29-generic 3.2.0-29.46
[17:46] <ananke> TJ-: cheers
[17:46] <theablestman> my linux image 123.2.1.0
[17:47] <theablestman> jk P
[17:47] <theablestman> probably my ip
[17:47] <afidegnum> TJ-: i restarted the system and this is the error i m facing https://ghostbin.com/paste/eprbk
[17:47] <ananke> the number of possibilities can be confusing, especially while looking at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Support
[17:48] <TJ-> afidegnum: I'd expect that. What happens is the system tries to automount the emulated CD-ROM device, but whilst doing that usb_modeswitch kicks in and changes the mode to CDC network so the CDROM disappears :)
[17:48] <TJ-> ananke: oh yeah!
[17:49] <afidegnum> ok,
[17:50] <afidegnum> should i uniinstall modeswitch?
[17:50] <TJ-> afidegnum: not if you want the device to be switched into modem mode!
[17:50] <drale2k> I increased the RAM on my DigitalOCean droplet on an Ubuntu Desktop server, and now after reboot i can only login as Guest in the GUI. Via ssh i can still login via root
[17:50] <drale2k> any idea what happened / how to fix it? I used to login as root via GUI
[17:50] <afidegnum> what's the recommended approach?
[17:51] <ananke> so what would be the latest, ever officially released, kernel 3.2.0-X for 12.04 LTS in general? I'm not sure how to find that. I know it EOL'ed in April of 2017, that's about it
[17:51] <TJ-> afidegnum: to what? the modem still not working? I'm afraid it's a case of keep on testing, digging into logs, trying to find some clue
[17:51] <TJ-> ananke: it looks like the one I mentioned since 12.04.2 seems to have the 3.5 series
[17:51] <theablestman> bye all
[17:52] <TJ-> ananke: although I suppose there could have been bug-fix releases between those two points, in which case I'd check the Kernel repo's tags for the v3.2 series
[17:52] <ananke> TJ-: but https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Support seems to indicate that 3.5 was available on 12.04 for only a period of 18 months
[17:53] <TJ-> ananke: here: "git tag -l | grep Ubuntu-3\.2\.0 | tail -1" ==> Ubuntu-3.2.0-31.50 but I can't confirm if that tag was shipped though I assume it was
[17:55] <ananke> TJ-: I guess I need to figure out the proper mapping between that and say output of uname: 3.2.0-41-generic (which at first sight would imply that 3.2.0-41 was newer than 3.2.0-31.50'
[17:56] <Bashing-om> !hwe | ananke
[17:56] <TJ-> ananke: ...
[17:56] <TJ-> tag Ubuntu-3.2.0-31.50
[17:56] <TJ-> Tagger: Tim Gardner <tim.gardner@canonical.com>
[17:56] <TJ-> Date:   Fri Sep 7 09:46:06 2012 -0600
[17:57] <ananke> Bashing-om: thanks, I think I ran into that link earlier while doing research. I'll read in more detail
[17:57] <TJ-> ananke: It may be my sync from 12.04 repo isn't up to date (I have all the ubuntu releases in my main linux repo) so let me check first
[17:58] <ananke> TJ-: that's also what I've been doing - pouring over our mirror. I need to verify the package name though
[17:59] <TJ-> ananke: well the uname output is the kernel version, whereas for packages we tack on an incremental package release number which is where the .50 comes in
[18:01] <TJ-> ananke: ahhh yes, my ubuntu-precise hasn't been pull-ed in a loooong time, it's updating now
[18:01] <TJ-> ananke: to be 'precise' 1.2 million objects behind :)
[18:01] <ananke> linux-image-3.2.0-41-generic seems to be the latest one in dpkg --get-selections. not sure if there's a meta package perhaps for linux-image?
[18:01] <ananke> TJ-: consider it spring cleaning :)
[18:02] <TJ-> ananke: linux > linux-image > linux-image-X.Y.X-A
[18:02] <TJ-> ananke: "apt-cache policy linux-image" should help
[18:03] <ananke> I wonder if this is the latest one: ./pool/main/l/linux/linux-image-3.2.0-67-generic_3.2.0-67.101_amd64.deb
[18:03] <ananke> TJ-: ahh, that's nice, thank you
[18:04] <TJ-> ananke: actually, you may need "apt-cache policy linux-image-generic" (or linux-image-lowlatency)
[18:05] <TJ-> ananke: or possibly "apt-cache depends linux-image-generic"
[18:05] <aib> that reminds me, is there a way to do non-interactive do-release-upgrade or at least install all the packages with questions first or last?
[18:08] <|Night|> Hey, I have an issue df -h reports a drive as haiving 7.8TB freespace after fixing a superblock I know it was 2T fresspace, all data is stil readable how to i fix this_
[18:11] <TJ-> aib: hmmm, interesting question. dpkg might prompt for changes to config files
[18:11] <aib> yeah, it's usually because I changed some default (like grub splash or timeout) or about new CA certs
[18:12] <TJ-> ananke: " * [new tag]         Ubuntu-3.2.0-125.168 -> Ubuntu-3.2.0-125.168"
[18:12] <aib> but I hate leaving the release-upgrade overnight and waking up to a question at 15%
[18:12] <TJ-> aib: I'm about to do a d-r-u I'll check the docs first
[18:14] <TJ-> aib: "do-release-upgrade -f DistUpgradeViewNonInteractive" but it accepts the defaults
[18:14] <aib> dpkg has some settings for changing the level at which questions pop up IIRC, but I think I'd rather accept my fate; it's once every 6 months
[18:15] <aib> hmm, I should note what the default are this time :)
[18:15] <TJ-> aib: and some packages may need a dpkg-reconfigure afterwards if there's something changed from how you like it. Best thing is to first do: "sudo -i" then "cd /etc; git init; git add .; git commit -m 'Before upgrade'; exit" then go ahead -anything changes "git diff" will show you and allow you to figure out what is beset
[18:16] <aib> hmm yeah, I should really make a habit of backing up /etc
[18:17] <aib> And maybe even maintain my changes as a set of patches, undoing and applying them before and after upgrades
[18:17] <TJ-> aib: I have iwatch monitoring /etc and calling "git add .; git commit -m ..." whenever there's amodification under /etc
[18:18] <aib> do you mean inotify? haven't heard of iwatch
[18:18] <TJ-> aib: iwatch is a perl program that uses inotify
[18:19] <TJ-> aib: iwatch is/can be a system service
[18:20] <aib> well thank apple, it's hard to google :S
[18:20] <JFox762> So if I install Gnome-core
[18:21] <JFox762> will it allow me to use a different desktop?
[18:21] <JFox762> UvC5x3mX2u
[18:21] <JFox762> https://askubuntu.com/questions/228503/is-it-possible-to-use-multiple-desktop-environments-on-same-system
[18:21] <ananke> TJ-: I found information about slightly newer release: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/amd64/linux-image-3.2.0-126-generic
[18:21] <ananke> TJ-: and my mirror has ./pool/main/l/linux/linux-image-3.2.0-126-generic_3.2.0-126.169_amd64.deb
[18:23] <oerheks> !info ubuntu-gnome-desktop
[18:24] <oerheks> JFox762, that url is from 2012 .. use ubuntu gnome desktop
[18:25] <oerheks> https://askubuntu.com/questions/766071/install-gnome-shell-on-ubuntu-16-04
[18:26] <JFox762> shoot
[18:26] <JFox762> I'm already installing ubuntu
[18:26] <JFox762> err
[18:26] <JFox762> gnome
[18:26] <JFox762> I already entered sudo apt-get install gnome-core
[18:26] <JFox762> should I just delete it after it is done running?
[18:26] <JFox762> in the console?
[18:27] <JFox762> because it is at like 58%
[18:27] <oerheks> JFox762, gnome-core is not that bad, but the -desktop is rich with programs
[18:27] <oerheks> !info gnome-core
[18:27] <oerheks> 'essential'  so you can add all you favorite programs, and keep it small
[18:27] <oerheks> gnome-core would be my ( experienced)  choise
[18:28] <JFox762> Sooo
[18:28] <oerheks> sooo, your good :-)
[18:29] <JFox762> so there is functionally no difference between gnome-core
[18:29] <JFox762> and ubuntu-gnome-desktop
[18:29] <JFox762> ?
[18:29] <oerheks> just the amount of programs standard
[18:29] <JFox762> Oh...
[18:29] <JFox762> I've already installed a bunch of programs
[18:30] <JFox762> will I have to reinstall them in gnome desktop?
[18:30] <oerheks> JFox762, no, if you installed VLC or Chromiu,, they will appear
[18:30] <oerheks> c/Chromium
[18:31] <JFox762> no I have Google Chrome installed
[18:31] <JFox762> not Chromium
[18:31] <oerheks> that is oke.
[18:31] <oerheks> differences  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/amd64/ubuntu-gnome-desktop/0.58  <> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/amd64/gnome-core/1:3.8+4ubuntu6
[18:32] <JFox762> it is asking me for default display manager
[18:32] <JFox762> gdm3
[18:32] <JFox762> or
[18:32] <JFox762> lightdm
[18:32] <oerheks> gnome comes with gdm3, unity with lightdm AFAIK
[18:32] <ethanphilpott> Hello, I was hoping someone might be able to help me with killer bluetooth 1535? For some reason I am having issues connecting to my mx master 2s as it can not see it listed while my phone can and while it can find other bluetooth devices such as audio when it connects it does not output anything to them. Does anyone know anything about drivers for this combo? I asked about it yesterday and someone provided me a link to some
[18:32] <ethanphilpott> drivers, but for some reason chrome did not sync my history for when I opened the page so I lost them.
[18:33] <oerheks> ethanphilpott, you can read back the log
[18:33] <oerheks> !log
[18:33] <oerheks> https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2017/09/16/
[18:33] <JFox762> ok
[18:33] <JFox762> to switch to Gnome desktop
[18:33] <JFox762> what do I do
[18:33] <JFox762> it is done installing
[18:33] <JFox762> Do I just log out?
[18:34] <oerheks> logout, switch ( top left icon), login
[18:34] <ethanphilpott> Also, just curious does anyone know how to solve the problem of my mouse cursor jumping when I type
[18:36] <ethanphilpott> nevermind found a solution
[18:40] <^newLinux> hai brothers
[18:44] <joshumax> Hey everyone! SO I have an odd problem...I have one of those Bay Trail tablets and I decided to try Ubuntu 17.10 on it -- yet oddly enough it doesn't show up as a bootable UEFI device... However, that said, when I burn Crunchbang++ to the same USB drive, it *does* show up. Both have relatively the same partition layout
[18:45] <joshumax> Attempting to run bootx64 or even grubx64 results in an obscure "boot failed" popup and trying to launch them from the UEFI shell results in absolutely no output
[18:45] <joshumax> Not sure about the return values though :?
[19:00] <roko> I tried apt-get install and it aborted because of lack os space. Now I cannot install any other things because dpkg was interrupted.
[19:02] <ioria> roko, can you paste  df -H ? and what's the output of apt-get autoremove ?
[19:05] <roko> ioria: i cant use autoremove (it throws the same error). df -H output https://imgur.com/a/dYqjd
[19:06] <ioria> roko, ok, can you paste the error ?
[19:06] <ioria> roko, 2.1 G ?
[19:07] <ioria> roko, are you kidding ?
[19:07] <roko> ioria: it is a vm, I am just trying some thing so didnt need much
[19:08] <ducasse> !ubuntu+1 | joshumax
[19:08] <ioria> roko, no man, at least 6G
[19:08] <joshumax> ducasse: Well the same thing happens on ubuntu 17.04 so I guess I'll start from there then?
[19:09] <draupadi> Hey everyone, I am new here, would be very kind if anyone could help me run john the ripper on my ubuntu 14
[19:09] <roko> ioria: thats ok I can quickly recreate the vm but just in case lets say I had 6 gb and faced this error. What is the solution?
[19:09] <ioria> roko, still waiting for the error output ....
[19:10] <ioria> roko, in general, if apt id dead, you use sudo dpkg -P the hal-broken pkg
[19:10] <ioria> *is
[19:10] <joshumax> Alright so I just checked Ubuntu GNOME and regular Ubuntu 17.04 and they won't boot either
[19:11] <roko> ioria: output for autoremove: E: dpkg was interuppted. run sudo dpkg --configure -a
[19:12] <TJ-> joshumax: is secure-boot enabled in the firmware?
[19:12] <ioria> roko, and have you run it ?
[19:12] <roko> ioria: on running sudo dpkg --configure -a I get, failed to write status database record to va/lib/dpkg/status; no space left on device
[19:13] <joshumax> TJ-: Nope, and it can boot crunchbang with regular old grub-efi
[19:13] <ioria> roko, so you need some room ....
[19:13] <TJ-> joshumax: when you attempt to use bootx64 or grubx64 do you get any indication they started, or is the error from the UEFI side
[19:14] <roko> ioria: df -h says i have used up 100% ie.e 2.1 gb, i have only added 10 mb of files so is it the OS that is using up all the space?
[19:14] <ioria> roko, yes .... i'd try to delete something .... or dpkg -P some apps .... but let me ask ... what exactly did you install on that vm ?
[19:15] <roko> just g++ and make so far. I reckon it takes around 200 mb
[19:15] <TJ-> joshumax: I assume the hardware IS 64-bit?
[19:15] <joshumax> TJ-: Trying to launch it from "Load UEFI PE" gives me a vague "boot error". Trying to launch from the UEFI shell returns absolutely nothing (except maybe a nonzero return code, haven't checked)
[19:15] <joshumax> TJ-: According to the intel spec sheet, yes
[19:15] <ioria> roko, no, i mean what kind of ubuntu distro
[19:16] <ioria> roko, ubuntu, lubuntu, xubuntu, mininal , core, server ... what ?
[19:16] <TJ-> joshumax:  I recall we had some issues with 32-bit UEFI on some mobos causing this kind of isse
[19:16] <TJ-> joshumax: what I mean is, the CPU might be 64-bit, but for some reason some systems have a 32-bit UEFI!
[19:16] <joshumax> TJ-: Wait is this related to that obscure issue with some Atom SoC efi's being 32 bit?
[19:17] <TJ-> joshumax: you got there ahead of me :)
[19:17] <ioria> TJ- nice to see you again
[19:17] <roko> ioria: ubuntu server 17.04
[19:17] <TJ-> joshumax: it's worth checking what crunchbag is using, 64 or 32 bit grub-efi
[19:17] <TJ-> ioria: likewise ... winter is coming :)
[19:17] <joshumax> TJ-: So Crunchbang++ comes with bootx64 and bootia32
[19:17] <ioria> TJ-  game of thrones quoting ? :]
[19:18] <joshumax> I loaded up bootx64 from crunchbang and it worked, but now I'm curious if it just hands execution off to bootia32 when it detects a 32 bit uefi
[19:18] <TJ-> ioria: but I sure prefer doing construction outdoors than hacking bugs indoors - much more satisfying and buildings don't mysteriously fall down or lose windows :D
[19:18] <ioria> TJ-  i see
[19:18] <ioria> roko ok
[19:18] <joshumax> I'll nuke bootia32 from the ESP and see if it still works
[19:19] <TJ-> joshumax: sounds like you've got a good handle on it so far, let us know if you need any more brain-storming
[19:19] <joshumax> TJ-: Will do! Thanks for the tip!
[19:19] <ioria> roko i'am afraid you need to unistall something
[19:20] <roko> ioria: got it
[19:21] <TJ-> roko: ioria have you done an "sudo apt-get clean" to empty the /var/cache/apt/archive/ ?
[19:21] <joshumax> TJ-: DANGIT! On grub 2.02 bootx64.efi also works as a shim and loads bootia32.efi when it detects a 64bit arch but a 32 bit UEFI
[19:21] <ioria> roko ^ TJ- that a good idea
[19:21] <TJ-> joshumax: YAY! so now we know
[19:21] <joshumax> I thought I was loading bootx64 but in reality bootx64 was duping me
[19:22] <TJ-> joshumax: so GRUB must be starting in 32-bit mode and then switching to 64-bit long mode when it detects a capable processor
[19:22] <joshumax> TJ-: Well, looks like I'll have to do that ugly workaround now :P
[19:22] <roko> TJ- tried that, released 5% mem. nice!
[19:22] <TJ-> joshumax: or more likely, GRUB detects the UEFI arch
[19:23] <joshumax> TJ-: I think it starts in long mode but passes execution to ia32 grub when it finds a 32 bit uefi
[19:23] <joshumax> Looks like you're ahead of me this time xD
[19:23] <TJ-> joshumax: yeah, sounds more likely
[19:23] <ioria> roko, run dpkg -l | grep  -v "ii  " | grep -v "rc  "   to check if you have broken/half installed pkgs
[19:25] <TJ-> ioria: roko: this is why I prefer using LVM. I never allocate all the drive space that is in the volume group, and I create logical volumes (LVs) for rootfs, /var/, /home/, and /usr/local/ if any runs out of space I then simply do "lvextend -L+2G VG/LV; resize2fs /dev/VG-LV;"
[19:25] <ioria> yeah... just need to be familiar with that black magic lvm stuff
[19:25] <TJ-> ioria: it's not black magic, it's very sensible and ... Logical :D
[19:26] <ioria> i'll dig into that
[19:26] <TJ-> ioria: Add a new disk? just "pvcreate /dev/new/disk; vgextend VG /dev/new/disk" and the space is available
[19:26] <scroat> moin.
[19:27] <roko> TJ-: that command does list a couple of half installed packages. How do I remove them?
[19:27] <scroat> I have a pdf I want to print on both sides of the paper (duplex printing).  How can I do that in linux if my printer supports it?  mfc-j485dw
[19:27] <ioria> roko, the output please
[19:27] <TJ-> roko: "sudo apt install -f" will usually fix things up
[19:28] <TJ-> scroat: usually you configure the printer to do Duplex via the CUPS management console, or the printer options of the application (management console at http://localhost:631 )
[19:34] <afidegnum> TJ-: here is the output of my `dmesg`   https://ghostbin.com/paste/34e52
[19:38] <TJ-> afidegnum: I don't see anything wrong there
[19:40] <afidegnum> but look at the last lines
[19:41] <TJ-> afidegnum: As I told you earlier, that is expected, since the device starts as an emulated CD-ROM then usb_modeswitch changes it to be a modem and the CD-ROM device disappears, which confuses the code that had already started when the CD-ROM appeared
[19:41] <JFox762> hi
[19:42] <JFox762> How do I find out what desktop and version I am using?
[19:42] <JFox762> I think I'm using the newest version of Gnome 3
[19:42] <JFox762> but I am not sure...
[19:42] <TJ-> JFox762: you mean "lsb_release -a" ?
[19:43] <TJ-> JFox762: or do you mean which desktop environment and it's version?
[19:43] <oerheks> JFox762, really? you asked about gnome desktop :-D
[19:43] <JFox762> desktop
[19:44] <JFox762> I did install it
[19:44] <JFox762> and I think I am running it, but I just want to make sure I am using the most up to date version of Gnome3
[19:48] <dedze> Hey guys I have a question: when I tried to open steam, it opened the terminal and gave this message : Steam needs to install these additional packages:  	libgl1-mesa-dri:i386, libgl1-mesa-glx:i386. And of course it asked for my password. Is it legit? Should I enter my password?
[19:49] <KinRyuu> if you're not sure just install those packages yourself
[19:49] <dedze> Also earlier today, I ran sudo apt autoremove
[19:49] <dedze> Could it be the cause?
[19:49] <KinRyuu> possibly
[19:49] <BluesKaj> JFox762, apt-cache policy gnome-desktop
[19:50] <TJ-> dedze: manually: "sudo apt install libgl1-mesa-dri:i386, libgl1-mesa-glx:i386" then redo the steam operation
[19:50] <BluesKaj> JFox762, that should give you the version
[19:50] <TJ-> dedze: correction: "sudo apt install libgl1-mesa-dri:i386 libgl1-mesa-glx:i386"
[19:50] <dedze> Oki TJ- , how do I know if these two files are safe though?
[19:50] <TJ-> dedze: they're standard parts of Ubuntu
[19:50] <JFox762> unable to to locate gnome-desktop
[19:50] <TJ-> !info libgl1-mesa-dri | dedze
[19:51] <JFox762> I think I'm on Gnome on Wayland
[19:51] <dedze> TJ-: Oh I see, what is the :i386 standing for?
[19:51] <BluesKaj> JFox762, then try just gnome
[19:52] <TJ-> dedze: Steam is a 32-bit architecture, and your system is 64-bit, so it needs the 32-bit packages (i386)
[19:52] <JFox762> is gnome on wayland the same as gnome3?
[19:52] <BluesKaj> dunno
[19:52] <dedze> TJ-: Oh I see :p
[19:53] <ioria> wayland experimental afaik
[19:53] <ioria> JFox762, apt-cache policy gnome-shell
[19:54] <dedze> TJ-: Why is it not sudo apt-get?
[19:54] <BluesKaj> JFox762,  try gnome3
[19:54] <brainwash> TJ-: is that true? steam client being 32bit
[19:54] <JFox762> Installed: 3.24.2-0ubuntu0.1
[19:54] <JFox762> didnt work with gnome3
[19:55] <BluesKaj> !apt | dedze
[19:55] <JFox762> 3.24.2-0ubuntu0.1
[19:55] <JFox762> is that the most up to date for Gnome?
[19:55] <BluesKaj> the bot info is old
[19:56] <TJ-> brainwash: it must be if it requires :i396 versions of libraries to be installed
[19:57] <brainwash> TJ-: those libraries (32bit mesa) are used for the games though
[19:58] <TJ-> brainwash: so the games are 32-bit... same effect, Steam requires the 32-bit libraries to run something
[19:58] <brainwash> obviously
[19:58] <brainwash> but you said "Steam is a 32-bit architecture"
[19:59] <TJ-> brainwash: last I read it is 32-bit only, and people were asking for a 64-bit client
[19:59] <brainwash> ok. that's what I wanted to know
[19:59] <TJ-> brainwash: and having had to debug steam installer for folks, the installer shell script was all 32-bit stuff
[20:01] <JFox762> Installed: 3.24.2-0ubuntu0.1
[20:01] <JFox762> didnt work with gnome3
[20:01] <JFox762> is that the most up to date for Gnome?
[20:04] <dedze> TJ-: It worked thanks :)
[20:12] <^newLinux> guys when i type in gnome /etc/fstab it says permission denied os:ubuntu 14.04
[20:12] <^newLinux> help me
[20:14] <Seveas> ^newLinux: that's not surprising. That's not an executable file...
[20:14] <Seveas> try opening it in an editor
[20:14] <^newLinux> i want to automount partitions
[20:14] <^newLinux> what should i do?
[20:15] <^newLinux> Seveas, ?
[20:15] <^newLinux> what is the command to open it?
[20:15] <tomreyn> !fstab
[20:16] <tomreyn> ^newLinux: see the "editing fstab" paragraph
[20:17] <^newLinux> no simple command?
[20:17] <^newLinux> im very new
[20:17] <tomreyn> it IS a simple command
[20:18] <tomreyn> but you will need to read it
[20:18] <^newLinux> i see a lot of paragraph!!
[20:18] <^newLinux> oh please i just want to use deluge :9
[20:18] <^newLinux> :(
[20:18] <tomreyn> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fstab#Editing_fstab
[20:18] <tomreyn> it wont get easier than this
[20:19] <^newLinux> without rechecking files everytime i turn on my machine and automount the partitions
[20:19] <^newLinux> why deluge is rechecking files everytime i turn on pc?
[20:20] <tomreyn> how is deluge related to fstab?
[20:20] <^newLinux> if i do not automount the partitions
[20:20] <^newLinux> delauge cant read write from it
[20:20] <^newLinux> deluge
[20:21] <tomreyn> hmm.. provide more information, show your fstab file and deluge error messages / warnings, maybe then soemone can help
[20:22] <tomreyn> !pastebin
[20:22] <^newLinux> im chatting in my windows machone!
[20:22] <^newLinux> machine
[20:23] <^newLinux> no error actually
[20:24] <^newLinux> deluge is rechecking all the files when i turn on the linux pc
[20:27] <theablestman> hi how do i install discord on linux?
[20:27] <theablestman> using terminal?
[20:27] <oerheks> to write, the folder needs to be in the deluge group, i guess
[20:28] <oerheks> thehttps://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/05/04/discord-is-now-available-as-a-snap-for-ubuntu-and-other-distributions/
[20:28] <oerheks> theablestman, ^^
[20:28] <^newLinux> in deluge group?
[20:28] <^newLinux> what is it?
[20:28] <theablestman> ok ty
[20:29] <theablestman> game chat app
[20:29] <arooni> anyway to make ubuntu auto extract all zip files in a given directory when they appear?
[20:29] <theablestman> https://discordapp.com/
[20:30] <theablestman> ok i see ty
[20:30] <TJ-> arooni: yes, using 'iwatch' and a custom command. It uses inotify to watch for changes and then executes a command in response
[20:31] <theablestman> E: Unable to locate package snapd-xdg-open
[20:31] <theablestman> oerheks,
[20:31] <oerheks> theablestman, maybe you have snap already, try the 2nd line?
[20:31] <theablestman> ok
[20:32] <theablestman> doesnt work
[20:32] <oerheks> theablestman, then what ubuntu are you using?
[20:32] <theablestman> says sudo snap install discord
[20:32] <theablestman> i think its sudo apt-get snap install discord
[20:32] <theablestman> 14
[20:33] <theablestman> apt-get doesnt work either
[20:33] <oerheks> !info
[20:33] <oerheks> !info info snapd-xdg-open xenial
[20:33] <oerheks> !info snapd-xdg-open xenial
[20:33] <theablestman> ok
[20:34] <oerheks> it is available, in the universe repo, see in softwarecenter > repositorys if it is enabled
[20:34] <theablestman> ok
[20:34] <theablestman> checking..
[20:35] <theablestman> installing
[20:35] <oerheks> for newlinu, something like this:  sudo chown <username>:deluged -R /path/to/directory # sudo chmod g=rw /path/to/directory
[20:35] <oerheks> https://askubuntu.com/questions/661696/granting-write-permissions-to-a-group-to-www-folder-in-ubuntu-14-04
[20:36] <theablestman> after snap sudo apt-get snap install discord?
[20:37] <oerheks> theablestman, ollow the guid, there is no apt-get in there
[20:37] <theablestman> ok i got it i add snap in .. sudo apt-get "snap" install discord?
[20:37] <theablestman> ok
[20:37] <theablestman> i added snap why it didnt work
[20:38] <oerheks> sudo apt install snapd-xdg-open && sudo snap install discord
[20:38] <oerheks> should work
[20:38] <theablestman> ok
[20:39] <theablestman> installing snap still
[20:39] <oerheks> if not, upgrade to 16.04..
[20:39] <theablestman> i cant
[20:39] <kostkon> theablestman, what release are you on?
[20:39] <kostkon> theablestman, old 14.04 install?
[20:39] <theablestman> doesnt work for me 16 locks up
[20:39] <theablestman> 14.04lts updated
[20:39] <theablestman> 64b
[20:39] <kostkon> theablestman, ok
[20:40] <theablestman> sudo snap install discord working..
[20:40] <theablestman> ty
[20:41] <oerheks> have fun!
[20:41] <theablestman> ty
[20:41] <theablestman> :)
[20:42] <theablestman> it stop how i  launch it?
[20:43] <theablestman> got to retstart brb to let you know
[20:43] <oerheks> type it in your menu ?? there is a search function..
[20:43] <raidghost> tvheadend is just so great
[20:45] <theablestman> hi
[20:47] <theablestman> i have both tarzg and deb discord how do i install?
[20:47] <theablestman> targz
[20:48] <theablestman> nvm im using software center ty
[20:48] <oerheks> you just installed the snap ..
[20:48] <oerheks> i am off
[20:49] <theablestman> i did restarted and still doesnt work
[20:50] <kostkon> theablestman, you've just installed it using snap. It should work. Mine works.
[20:50] <theablestman> i download the decord .deb from there website and installing with software center
[20:50] <theablestman> its done ty
[20:51] <theablestman> download the .deb from discord offical site and install with software worked for me
[20:52] <theablestman> using software center
[20:52] <theablestman> bye
[20:55] <dedondesta> am i understand right that i don't need to create /swap partition if i use ssd?
[20:55] <oerheks> dedondesta, nothing to do with ssd/hdd, swap is used to store stuff if your ram is running out
[20:56] <oerheks> and ssd/hdd space is so cheap, no reason not to do it.
[20:56] <dedondesta> oerheks: used to? i used to create swap partition everytime i install linux :)
[20:56] <dedondesta> oerheks: and it was the size of my ram
[20:56] <oerheks> ubuntu install does that for you ..
[20:57] <dedondesta> oerheks: unless you need to customize your patitions
[20:57] <oerheks> oh yeah, smart answer
[20:58] <kostkon> dedondesta, a swap file is preferable on ssds since it can be trimmed easily along with the rest of the root fs by Ubuntu by default
[20:58] <dedondesta> oerheks: so when ubuntu does that for you it doesn't create swap anymore?
[20:58] <dedondesta> oerheks: but what if i run out of ram?
[20:58] <dedondesta> oerheks: or does ubuntu just create swap files instead?
[20:58] <TJ-> dedondesta: if you want the system to hibernate it is usually best to have a swap partition slightly parger than RAM size, in preference to a hibernate/swap file
[20:59] <kostkon> dedondesta, it does since 17.04
[20:59] <TJ-> dedondesta: e.g. for an 8GiB RAM I'd make an 8.5GiB swap
[20:59] <dedondesta> TJ-: no hibernation here, so will go without swap
[21:00] <TJ-> dedondesta: it also avoids unexpected OOM kills
[21:00] <oerheks> as of 17.04, ubuntu uses a swap file, no partition anymore
[21:00] <dedondesta> TJ-: but no OOM kills with swap files, right?
[21:00] <TJ-> oerheks: seems a bit silly to me, that adds overhead of a file-system and possibly the LVM layer
[21:01] <TJ-> dedondesta: unless the swap file fills up :)
[21:01] <TJ-> dedondesta: but you'd hopefully start to notice the system getting sluggish by then and take action
[21:01] <dedondesta> TJ-: like, add another swap file?
[21:01] <oerheks> TJ-, not sure LVM is slower with a swapfile ..
[21:02] <dedondesta> or resize the existing one
[21:02] <TJ-> dedondesta: if it needs a file that assumes the host file-system has free space
[21:02] <TJ-> oerheks: there's a layer of abstraction between raw device if there's LVM and/or a file-system to content with, need to figure out which extents (LVM) or which inodes (file-system) to allocate
[21:04] <oerheks> hmm, i should try to install with LVM, maybe one gets an other option..
[21:04] <oerheks> i see your point
[21:04] <TJ-> oerheks: I generally reserve a raw partition for swap
[21:04] <TJ-> oerheks: but inside an LVM it can be more flexible because it can be extended/shrunk on-demand
[21:05] <dedondesta> TJ-: so, i was able to start installing my ubuntu with boot partition on usb (question i asked yesterday), am i understand right that i need  root /  on my main ssd and /boot on my usb and this are all the partitions i need?
[21:06] <dedondesta> was able to start only now
[21:06] <dedondesta> also i set bootable flag on my /boot partitions
[21:06] <dedondesta> not sure i need that
[21:06] <TJ-> dedondesta: Yes, for a basic install. I'd always use LVM so I can have flexibly sized rootfs /, and a separate /var/ and /home/ to avoid out-of-space issues that can happen after some time, plus be able to allocate space from the LVM volume group for additional logical volumes in the future
[21:07] <TJ-> dedondesta: no, that's a left-over from the old DOS/Windows days where the BIOS boot-loader would only load from a partition with that flag set
[21:07] <dedondesta> TJ-: i see, i remember this days :)
[21:08] <dedondesta> TJ-: i plan to add hdd later, i think i'm ok without lvm, i just can add symbolic link to whatere path i need, right?
[21:09] <dedondesta> whatever
[21:09] <TJ-> dedondesta: I've spent weeks rebuilding partition tables and FAT file-systems in the good 'ole days doing data recovery. On FAT file-systems it's relatively easy to reconstruct the FATs (file allocation table) chains of clusters. Much harder on NTFS and of course Linux ext? FSes
[21:10] <TJ-> dedondesta: that's a bit of a fragile way of doing it. If you make everything LVM from the start, when you add another drive you can add it into the existing volume group and instantly use its space in your existing file-systems if needed
[21:10] <TJ-> dedondesta: e.g.: "pvcreate /dev/new/disk; vgextend VG /dev/new/disk" and it's available
[21:11] <dedondesta> ok, i think adding lvm wont hurt
[21:12] <TJ-> dedondesta: and with LVM you can also create mirrored volumes if there's more than 1 underlying device, to protect vital data
[21:13] <isene> Trying to get my laptop (Dell XPS15, Ubuntu 17.04) to catch the lid close event. I have HandleLidSwitch=ignore in /etc/systemd/logind.conf and I have followed this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LaptopLidAndDockScripts and created /etc/acpi/events/lm_lid with the content, event=button/lid.* (also tried event=button[ /]lid) and action=/etc/acpi/lid.sh - but I can't get the laptop to recognize the lid being
[21:13] <isene> closed. I know that 'grep -q closed /proc/acpi/button/lid/LID0/state' returns the correct value, so I have the correct proc path, but the system just don't catch the event as I close the lid. Any suggestions?
[21:14] <TJ-> isene: Hello again :) have you tried using "udevadm monitor ..." to check for a kernel event? if all else fails you could then add a udev rule in /etc/udev/rules.d/ that does what you want
[21:17] <JFox762> hi, is it possible to view all the terminal commands I have submitted?
[21:18] <Gencade> history
[21:18] <glitsj16> isene: Have you tried HandleLidSwitch=suspend yet?
[21:19] <oerheks> isene,  do you have the latest bios? https://askubuntu.com/questions/771240/suspend-broken-on-ubuntu-16-04-lts-dell-xps-9350
[21:19] <JFox762> how old does history go back?
[21:19] <JFox762> indefinitely? or does it purge itself after a given timeline?
[21:19] <Gencade> think to the beginning of the session
[21:19] <Gencade> when you logged in
[21:20] <JFox762> hmmm
[21:20] <JFox762> I've restarted Linux a few times, and it seems to still have the first few commands I submitted when I first installed Ubuntu a few days ago...
[21:20] <JFox762> couple days ago*
[21:20] <JFox762> I just bought this PC, and installed Ubuntu on Friday
[21:21] <Gencade> Maybe it goes back further then.  I'd have to research it
[21:21] <JFox762> I just like to keep track of all my Terminal Commands in case I ever have to "redo" something
[21:21] <Gencade> Just make a personal notes repo
[21:21] <Gencade> Thats what I do
[21:21] <JFox762> I hate it when I have to reinstall an OS, or... an update undoes a "fix" I made for a issue I used to have....
[21:21] <JFox762> and then I have to troubleshoot, and try to find the solution for the problem again
[21:22] <Gencade> Mhm.  It's a good reason to keep a solution repo for your issues
[21:22] <Gencade> on git
[21:22] <JFox762> Like on my Windows PC, I had a memory leak... and I remembered I had to edit the registry in order to eliminate the guilty service ...
[21:23] <JFox762> and then just recently... windows 10 updated itself, ... and undid the registry edit
[21:23] <kostkon> JFox762, sudo apt-get install zim   and make notes
[21:23] <JFox762> causing the memory leak to resurface.. and I had to try and remember the solution... thankfully I was able to remember... I put the solution in a text file on my pc. Though, honestly, I should upload that crap onto google Drive
[21:25] <dedondesta> TJ-: got my linux up and running, thank you for your help :)
[21:27] <JFox762> When you fix issues with either Windows or linux... do you typically log the whole event?
[21:27] <JFox762> Like write down the problem and solution somewherE?
[21:29] <dedondesta> JFox762: less ./bash_history
[21:30] <dedondesta> i was scrolled up ...
[21:30] <JFox762> no such file or directory
[21:34] <ethanphilpott> Hello, I was wondering if anyone could help me with bluetooth on my xps 15 9550 using killer wireless 1535 bluetooth. A while back someone linked me to https://askubuntu.com/questions/878451/killer-1535-802-11ac-2x2-on-dell-xps-13-kaby-lake-not-working-under-ubuntu-16-10/878455 and http://www.dell.com/support/article/us/en/19/sln306440/xps-13-9360-ubuntu--killer-n1535-wireless-manual-firmware-update?lang=en for the card. However,
[21:34] <ethanphilpott> for both it did not fix the problem with bluetooth. While bluetooth is detected by the system and I can find and connect to audio devices one it does not output audio and two it can not find any non audio devices like my mxmaster 2s mouse. Does anyone know a solution?
[21:36] <dedondesta> JFox762: sorry, it should be ~/.bash_history or used to be ...
[21:38] <JFox762> cool thanks! :D
[22:02] <AssociateX> Well, it's been years since I've had to mess with X, if that's what it's still called. Where is the new xconfig file with all of the options, OR, what do I need to read? Thanks!
[22:09] <isene> oerheks: No problem with the bios
[22:10] <isene> glitsj16: setting the lidevent to suspend does not work... but I have no problem suspending manually and it resumes just fine
[22:10] <azaki> AssociateX: yeah, it's still called X (or X11, or Xorg, etc)
[22:11] <azaki> AssociateX: although there is a replacement called "wayland" that will be shipping as default on ubuntu 17.10 (but you can still optionally select X when logging in)
[22:20] <dedondesta> anyone tried installing nvidia drivers from cli?
[22:21] <dedondesta> looks like it loaded ncurses interface and stuck
[22:26] <AssociateX> azaki, thank you.
[22:34] <minimec> dedondesta: Have a look here... https://askubuntu.com/a/9465
[22:34] <dedondesta> minimec: tnx
[22:35] <swift110> hey
[22:37] <glitsj16> isene: was afk for a bit.. do you see anything relevant in dmesg output when you try to suspend via lid-close?
[22:37] <JFox762> So
[22:37] <joshumax> GEEZ
[22:38] <JFox762> Does anyone know how I can add a secondary "clock" to the title bar
[22:38] <joshumax> I had to do all manner of dark magic to get 17.04 booting on my baytrail
[22:38] <JFox762> with a different timezone?
[22:44] <oerheks> JFox762, on unity it is easy to add a timezone http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/12/add-time-zones-world-clock-ubuntu but you need to change manually
[22:44] <JFox762> right but...
[22:44] <JFox762> again
[22:44] <JFox762> doesn't that require that I click on the drop down menu?
[22:44] <oerheks> yes
[22:46] <oerheks> else somthing as screenlets, but they appear on the desktop itself https://askubuntu.com/questions/523222/multiple-clocks-on-desktop
[22:48] <elisa87> hey how should I fix this error https://serverfault.com/questions/874133/action-configtest-failed  Action 'configtest' failed
[22:48] <minimec> JFox762: You could do something with 'conky. The different timezones would then be shown on the desktop. Some example here, but here are certainly other themes... http://forum.linuxvillage.org/index.php?topic=23.0
[22:49] <oerheks> elisa87, update properly with sudo apt full-upgrade > 3 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 269 not upgraded.
[22:50] <oerheks> then install
[22:50] <JFox762> hmm
[22:50] <JFox762> I am using Gnome
[22:51] <JFox762> how do i check what gnome shell version i have?
[22:51] <minimec> JFox762: conky should work with all kind of desktop managers... See here -> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/conky#Integrate_with_GNOME_Shell
[22:52] <JFox762> or rather
[22:52] <glitsj16> JFox762: in that case https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/605/multiclock/ might be something to try
[22:52] <JFox762> check what gnome shell version i am currently using?
[22:52] <oerheks> JFox762, check in softwarecenter?
[22:54] <TJ-> I've just remembered why I dislike the systemd project so much! Did a do-release-upgrade on a laptop that has full disk encryption using external device key-file, and it broke the system because - even after 4 years - systemd has still not implemented all the functionality of cryptsetup that they ripped out! Anyone got any ideas about how to rip out systemd-cryptsetup and replace it with cryptsetup and its
[22:54] <TJ-> initramfs scripts again?
[22:54] <minimec> JFox762: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=all&section=all&arch=any&keywords=gnome-shell&searchon=names
[22:54] <[n0mad]> JFox762: with gnome tweak tool you can add an extension https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/946/panel-world-clock-lite/
[22:54] <glitsj16> JFox762:  gnome-shell --version
[22:55] <darkdrgn2k3> any one know how IPMasquerade in systemd works? does it apply ia via ip tables?
[22:56] <oerheks> darkdrgn2k3, please don't crosspost, thanks.
[22:56] <elisa87> thanks a lot oerheks
[22:56] <darkdrgn2k3> oerheks: sorry..
[22:57] <elisa87> so I am following this tutorial but I don't have the folder /etc/httpd/conf what to do?
[22:57] <oerheks> it is just unfair to volunteers
[22:58] <darkdrgn2k3> oerheks: you actually have "volunteers" as some sort of structure..  or you mean the people that volunteer their time in the channel
[22:58] <oerheks> darkdrgn2k3, yes, both ##linux and #ubuntu is run by volunteers
[22:59] <elisa87> $ find / -type d | grep httpd
[22:59] <elisa87> didn't return any result
[23:00] <oerheks> elisa87, not sure what guide you follow..
[23:01] <darkdrgn2k3> oerheks: yeh but is it some sort of organized following or just random people helping other random people :)
[23:01] <glitsj16> elisa87: that tutorial probably is for a different linux, ubuntu deals with apache in a different way.. try looking under /etc/apache2
[23:02] <oerheks> darkdrgn2k3,  is there a point you want to make ? you are answered in ##linux
[23:02] <JFox762> 3.24.2
[23:02] <darkdrgn2k3> oerheks: no point, curious on the structure thats all..
[23:02] <JFox762> is my gnome shell version
[23:02] <darkdrgn2k3> oerheks: but i guess im not gonna get an answer so i withdraw me question, sorry
[23:03] <elisa87> oerheks: http://www.apache.com/how-to-setup-an-ssl-certificate-on-apache/ this guide
[23:03] <oerheks> darkdrgn2k3, no heart feelings, have fun :-)
[23:03] <elisa87> yeah you are right oerheks
[23:04] <elisa87> thanks glitsj16
[23:07] <glitsj16> JFox762: did you try any of the gnome-extensions yet that were suggested?
[23:07] <glitsj16> elisa87: there's more info at https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/httpd.html
[23:21] <JFox762> yes
[23:21] <JFox762> I downloaded Gnome Clocks, which appears to be a prerequisite for Panel Clocks
[23:22] <JFox762> Panel World Clock
[23:22] <JFox762> Works fine :)
[23:29] <JFox762> so Ubuntu is eventually going to rid itself of unity, correct?
[23:29] <JFox762> switching to Gnome
[23:30] <Ben64> JFox762: yep
[23:31] <minimec> JFox762: There is a really good blog by a ubuntu developer about the future ubuntu look... Worth reading. https://didrocks.fr/
[23:34] <oerheks> unity will not be standard, that is all
[23:36] <JFox762> I love linux :D
[23:36] <JFox762> So which distro, does the Penguin belong to?
[23:37] <oerheks> to the kernel, afaik
[23:37] <jer> JFox762, read the wikipedia page `Tux`
[23:41] <elisa87> please have a look at this question https://serverfault.com/questions/874139/address-already-in-use-ah00072-make-sock-could-not-bind-to-address-80
[23:54] <elisa87> how do I solve this error in Ubuntu? AH00686: cannot read directory for multi
[23:55] <Ben64> elisa87: something is already using port 80, so you can't start apache on 80
[23:58] <elisa87> I can't figure how to fix this error AH00072: make_sock: could not bind to address [::]:80 Ben64
[23:59] <Ben64> elisa87: something is already using port 80, so you can't start apache on 80