[00:03] Well the problem is it's a looping video and I can't exit the app because of the lack of player controls [00:03] So I wanted to bypass it at boot [00:03] I don't really have a desktop available to me [00:04] New to ubuntu-- When I create a desktop entry, I run a command that lunches a terminal. I gave it a nice icon, and a solid name right. but the launcher disappears after the terminal application runs, and I'm left with a plain jane terminal instance in my task bar. *sobs* [00:05] bray90820: a looping video at boot-time, run by the system without a user logged in? [00:05] Autologin [00:06] bray90820: ok so it's not a system service it's a user session autostart scripted? [00:06] bray90820: I'd boot into recovery mode, disable it [00:07] bray90820: or you could tell systemd not to start the GUI, with "systemd.target=multiuser.target" I think it is [00:07] TJ-: so recovery mode will temporarily disable the script? [00:09] bray90820: recovery mode doesn't start a GUI, it stops at a root shell where you can do maintenance [00:09] TJ-: Thanks [00:09] bray90820: once done you can Ctrl+D to continue and then 'resume' the start-up [00:09] That will work [00:09] All i would need is a Command line anyways [00:13] bray90820: correction, for setting the target on the kernel command-line (via editing at the GRUB menu stage) it'd be "systemd.unit=multi-user.target" [00:15] TJ-: Thanks [00:36] i need help with turning off nvidia/nouveau modesetting, i can boot if i go through recovery -> resume boot, but not when I pick the normal option. Nvidia propreitary drivers work fine once gdm3 starts [00:37] i tried adding nomodeset and nofb to /etc/default/grub, and ran update-grub, no effect [00:39] funda3: add to the kernel command-line, either via GRUB menu edit at boot-time, or in /etc/default/grub "nouveau.modeset=0" for nouveau [00:40] it doesn't let me enter the root volume unencrypt password if i boot the normal way, but i see the screen and the cursor is on the top left, not on the password field [00:41] TJ: I have that too [00:41] funda3: with the nouveau driver in use? [00:41] funda3: that obviously won't have an effect if nvidia drivers are in use [00:43] I have added nouveau to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf, i don't think i am using nouveau, but i'm not sure what is happening while booting [00:43] funda3: another setting that could help is to change GRUB's own setting to force text mode at boot time by uncommenting /etc/default/grub "GRUB_TERMINAL=console" [00:45] trying that now [00:46] nope, no difference [00:51] Hello again. I made some changes to the /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/pc file - these are keyboard's key mapping. I know I can restart the entire machine to see the effect, but isn't there any other way? What should I google? Is this the so called 'x server'? [00:56] TJ: adding nosplash to default/grub worked === brainwash_ is now known as brainwash [01:13] funda3: cool - that prevents 'plymouth' from going graphical [01:26] TJ: i'm on a ryzen 7 1700 with nvidia 1050, running 4.13.2 built with make bindeb-pkg. otherwise pretty much normal 17.04. i have a fully working system moving away from nouveau an on two nvidia proprietary an hr or two of messing around... not sure where plymouth was tripping up, it actually worked fine in 4.10 [01:28] funda3: you know you can get Ubuntu-built mainline kernel packages ? [01:28] !mainline [01:28] The kernel team supply continuous mainline kernel builds which can be useful for tracking down issues or testing recent changes in the Linux kernel. More information is available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds [01:29] funda3: I have a script that fetches and installs them, either the latest (often an RC) or a specified version [01:33] i saw this, but wasn't sure where to start, i see now I could've just gotten http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v4.13.2/linux-headers-4.13.2-041302_4.13.2-041302.201709132057_all.deb and http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v4.13.2/linux-image-4.13.2-041302-generic_4.13.2-041302.201709132057_amd64.deb also, i wanted to see how fast i could build the kernel :) === KindTwo is now known as KindOne [01:36] funda3: 3 seconds? :D === nixmania_ is now known as n1xNc0d3 [01:45] who is running KDE plasma [01:46] psychoticwarrior, this is not the polling channel [01:46] bazhang is a bitch [01:46] he complains about everything [01:51] TJ: ha, around 10 mins with config copied from 4.10 and make -j32 === brainwash_ is now known as brainwash [02:11] hey, I just burned an iso to usb and getting the gnu grub inteface for installing ubuntu server [02:11] does anyone have experience on installing ubuntu server from usb? [02:24] foxjazz: GRUB comes up if it's an UEFI boot I seem to recall. For BIOS boots it uses iso/syslinux I seem to recall [02:25] foxjazz, is your problem that it's using grub at all, or do you mean it's dropping you into the grub console instead of booting the installer? [02:29] yes [02:30] notdaniel: that's right [02:30] foxjazz: how did you write the ISO image to the USB device? [02:30] and then the install process takes to menues that look for cd roms [02:30] I used Etcher [02:30] on windows 10 [02:31] foxjazz, havent used etcher much. just using dd is the best, but if you need to do this on windows, you want to use rufus [02:32] foxjazz: generally the installer will stop on the boot menu if it has problems finding the installer resources [02:32] notdaniel: looks like etcher is just a wrapper around a 'dd' process from what I can see [02:32] it may or may not be working correctly if you arent booting [02:32] notdaniel: although it's worrying they advertise it as 'burning' to Flash ! [02:33] foxjazz: I've seen issues when GRUB cannot find the boot device. The system is UEFI, correct? [02:33] lets not forget the layers of javascript in between the interface and what might be dd [02:33] Probably loads of elves painting the bits in :) [02:34] the ubuntu isos are hybrid images and you should not have to think about which mode it's booting in unless the iso was not written properly [02:35] ok, I will try a different utility [02:35] hi i'm using ubuntu 17.04, how can i enable tree view in nautilus left pane? thanks! [02:35] foxjazz: if the installer is starting but failing to find the 'cdrom' that means it cannot determine which boot device it was started from (the USB device) [02:35] rufus maybe [02:35] rufus is the first thing to try [02:35] notdaniel: it makes a big difference actually [02:35] non-dd tools often make a mess of these hybrid images [02:35] what tool is useful [02:35] i think rufus is still the best option on windows [02:35] ok rufus [02:36] I thought bash and ubuntu are on Windows now? :) [02:36] yeah just screw it, use windows [02:36] (though i guess you could install the linux subsystem just to use proper dd) [02:38] thing is, if it had booted in BIOS mode, then the BIOS would have loaded GRUB but if Legacy USB support was disabled the installer might not be able to identify the correct installer device [02:39] building a linux server. And yes I do use windows LOL [02:39] But, as I said, I recall the installer uses isolinux (unless that has changed recently) for BIOS boot mode. It uses GRUB in UEFI mode and a custom boot in ISO9660/El-Torito mode [02:43] bios legacy usb support was enabled. [02:43] still grub even with rufus [02:44] foxjazz: I think the 'server' may have some unusual characteristics. Can you share the hardware make-up of it with us? [02:44] foxjazz, this is what, 16.04 x64 iso? [02:45] and again, to confirm, when you say youre still getting grub, youre referring to the console, and not that grub is actually booting anything [02:45] yes the grub menu that showws [02:45] * install ubuntu server [02:45] ohhh so it is loading, you just werent expecting it to be grub [02:45] foxjazz: and when you choose that? [02:46] i thought you were getting dropped into the grub console === notdaniel is now known as notdaniel_ [02:46] it gives me a screen taht says [02:46] shoose language etc.. [02:46] detect and mount cdrom is a choice [02:47] Load debconf is a choice [02:47] none of these are helpful [02:47] execute a shell [02:47] abort [02:47] foxjazz: start with the top entry [02:48] top entry does nothing but flicker [02:48] foxjazz: the idea is that list is the order the installer works in. When it can't do everything automatically it allows you to manually control the process, go back, etc. [02:48] foxjazz: what is the title of it (I don't have an installer here to look at) [02:48] ubuntu installer main menu [02:48] is the title [02:49] foxjazz: I vaguely remember the sequence but not the exact steps. What's the first step in the list [02:49] first is select language [02:49] foxjazz: you've done that ? [02:49] when I click it, it flickers and does nothing [02:50] there's a mouse interface is there? I don't recall it being other than keyboard :) [02:50] yes not useing mouse [02:50] foxjazz: it sounds rather like the image on the USB may be corrupted [02:50] arrow kees work [02:51] foxjazz: Did you check the hash of the downloaded ISO file against that published on the download pages? [02:51] flickering is still a rather bizarre symptom [02:52] notdaniel: failure to run a sub-process, redraw menu [02:52] that makes more sense [02:52] foxjazz: which release of ubuntu is it? 16.04? which architecture, amd64 bit? [02:52] trying 17... [02:52] checksum the iso, make sure the usb stick doesnt suck, etc [02:53] notdaniel: I've suffered that in the distant past installing to Dell poweredge servers with hardware raid controllers where the installer CD-ROM device couldn't be found [02:53] foxjazz: 17.04 ? [02:53] yes [02:53] 16.04 isnt the problem [02:53] latest [02:53] the problem is the iso download or the stick or the write method [02:53] this isnt an inherent problem in 16.04 [02:53] foxjazz: OK, so now we know that we can locate the hash of the ISO image [02:53] lok, I tried 1604 also same issue [02:53] just for grins i'm downloading 16.04 and will see how it behaves after a rufus write [02:54] but got further in 16 [02:54] but still stuck on this screen [02:54] got further [02:54] it allowed me to select a keyboard [02:54] do you have another usb stick you coul dtry [02:54] sure [02:54] 16 or 17 should I try? [02:54] whichever one you want to use [02:54] both should, you know, boot [02:55] sounds like unknown hardware issue to me. Are you using a USB3 port and/or flash device? [02:55] this kind of thing can happen on some hardware if the port is USB3 but the device is USB2, for example [02:55] really? [02:55] something as simple as using an alternative port can solve it [02:55] that one is news to me [02:56] I will try a different port and a new stick [02:56] yeah, in theory the port should feed the device to the USB3 or USB2 controller based on the connected device. sometimes it gets that wrong. [02:56] i know this is stupid but really after years this is the kind of shit that works [02:56] the controllers share the ports [02:57] I've had issues where front-panel USB2 ports fail for installers but work for any other device once the OS is installed. Sometimes it's not worth the headaches to figure out why when you can just plug into another port [02:58] now that you mention it, i recall this being a thing with our hp z workstations a few years ago [02:58] i think i had to use a rear port to boot ubuntu properly [02:59] or at least thta it wasnt consistent across identical machines [03:00] yeah... I've always thought there was some randomness on some hardware over which USB controller took the port... the worst was when a v1.1 controller took over the port for a USB2 device ... talk about SLOW! [03:01] i'm convinced it's all still voodoo. the number of years that have gone by and how much of my life has still been me shrugging and trying other ports/disks/isos/software [03:01] the model of sandisk usb stick that for wahtever reason just never ever booted an ubuntu image properly [03:02] you get what you pay for [03:02] it wasnt a bad one in theory, it was fine for everything else, the problem was never solved [03:02] only way we even narrowed it to that was because i had bought a pack of like 12 of them [03:02] notdaniel: just like me last night (lost a night's sleep). I have 2 0U power CDUs for my racks, linked together for 32 outlets. The master magically lost 8 outlets so I pulled it onto the bench to figure out what had failed, only to have it magically rediscover the outlets when I connected via a serial console rather than it's normal ethernet/web server! [03:03] how to delete windows partion from my system [03:03] ghosts i tell you [03:04] arunangshu, you can use gparted. make sure you dont delete something you need [03:04] notdaniel: Gremlins! [03:04] lol it did nothing good. [03:05] gona disk part it... try again [03:06] if only netboot could evolve a couple decades overnight [03:20] same problem... :( [03:20] 2 different sticks behave the same ways [03:22] foxjazz: it's something with that hardware, I'm sure of it [03:23] I may get a cd rom drive [03:24] that probably will not help [03:26] foxjazz: have you checked the hash of the ISO image ? [03:29] don't know how to check hash [03:30] downloaded 2 different iso from the site 16 and 17 tried both on the usb with similar results. [03:30] foxjazz: does this help? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM#MD5SUM_on_Windows [03:31] can you use another machine just to determine if it gets further along in the boot process? [03:32] foxjazz: the other thing you need do is tell us the exact file name and where the ISO was downloaded from so we can point you to the correct hash value to expect [03:32] 4672ce371fb3c1170a9e71bc4b2810b9 [03:33] https://www.ubuntu.com/download/server [03:35] Wonderful! they don't provide the sums for the image or tell you where to find them! [03:35] amateurs [03:36] ok where should I download it from ? [03:36] it's OK it is correct: 4672ce371fb3c1170a9e71bc4b2810b9 *ubuntu-17.04-server-amd64.iso [03:36] found in http://releases.ubuntu.com/zesty/MD5SUMS [03:37] foxjazz: so, I go back to what I said earlier - hardware issue [03:37] so I should burn it to dvd [03:37] of what sort? [03:38] or a cd.... [03:39] wish I could boot over lan [03:41] notdaniel: foxjazz hardware issue in that the USB boot device isn't appearing where the installer expects it, so it cannot run some of the programs it expects to because they're somewhere else. The ISO contains a squashfs image which it probably can't find [03:41] computer is fine. have a bios version F2 [03:41] american mega blah [03:42] foxjazz: whats the make/model of the PC, or the motherboard? [03:42] gigabyte amd [03:42] foxjazz: exact model # would help, need to look it up [03:42] how are you putting the iso on the usb [03:43] 990fxa-ud3 r5 [03:43] kk4ewt: from windows, foxjazz used both rufus and etcher [03:43] foxjazz: give me a mo [03:43] foxjazz: I think I have one of those motherboards in a box [03:43] date is 04/01/2015 [03:44] foxjazz: oh, no, this is a 970 not the 990 [03:46] using forced FDD and IOMMU is enabled, if I disable IOMMU it all breaks to hell [03:51] which I'd rather expect :) [03:52] foxjazz: I'm reading some info that adding "iommu=soft" to the kernel command-line at the GRUB boot menu might solve it [03:54] foxjazz: the recommendation is to first doa BIOS config default settings reset, re-enable IOMMU if it was disabled in that last step, then boot, "E"dit the GRUB menu entry, navigate to the line beginning "linux ..." and add " iommu-soft" then press Ctrl+X to boot linux with that option [03:55] sorry, "iommu=soft" [03:55] ok [03:56] foxjazz: that should allow the installer to work because the IOMMU won't be blocking access to the hardware. After a reboot into the installed system it *should* all work OK [03:57] also, if these settings exist: Ensure IOMMU is enabled, XHCI handoff is enabled, EHCI handoff is disabled, USB Legacy support is enabled [03:58] foxjazz: I'm also reading that it might need a permanent addtion to the kernel command line (by editing /etc/default/grub) to have "amd_iommu=on iommu=pt" instead of "iommu=soft" [03:59] any suggestions on a cheap ATI gfx card that supports 4k (@ at least 30hz), for 4k video playback only (no games)? prefer ATI over nvidia for the on-chip h265 decoding [04:00] in ash shell, I don't see anything under the default folder [04:01] foxjazz: is that from the root shell of the installer? [04:03] I have the usb on the windows drive. is there a place I can edit it there? [04:04] foxjazz: no, these changes are to be done to the installed system [04:05] foxjazz: but, when you boot from the USB and are at the grub menu, you need to add the kernel command-line option there. To do that highlight the "Install ubuntu server" line, press 'E' to edit it, navigate down to the line beginning "linux ... " and add to the end "iommu=soft" then press Ctrl+x to boot with that change. That should help. [04:07] foxjazz: it's gone 5am here so I may have to disappear, can't keep my eyes open much longer. [04:10] so that line said some cd stuff which I removed. and all ended up in the same bad place [04:10] gn [04:10] foxjazz: the other stuff needs to remain! only add, don't take away [04:10] tx for all the info [04:10] will try... again [04:11] remember the image is designed for a cdrom so there will be references to a cdrom directory in the system's boot instructions [04:12] better results [04:12] purple screen [04:13] doing stuff [04:13] foxjazz: you're on the way now :) [04:14] let us now reflect for a moment on how such a problem should never take this long [04:15] i'm done, give me the blue pill, send me to apple's walled garden where nothing breaks [04:15] hardware :p [04:15] (this is what goes through my head whenever _i_ have one of those nights where something that shouldve taken fifteen minutes took seven hours) [04:15] * TJ- knows the feeling well [04:16] but I rejoice that we can get deep and dirty without walls to stop us [04:16] if this were Windows - or OSX/MACOS/whatever - we'd be stuck [04:16] simple [04:16] you throw the machine out [04:16] now let's fix this one :P https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bcmwl/+bug/1713638 [04:16] Launchpad bug 1713638 in bcmwl (Ubuntu) "bcmwl-kernel-source 6.30.223.271+bdcom-0ubuntu1~1.1: bcmwl kernel module failed to build [error: ‘struct net_device’ has no member named ‘last_rx’]" [Undecided,Confirmed] [04:16] you buy a new one [04:16] done [04:16] thanks, this may atake a few [04:17] the road towards broadcom working seamlessly under linux is merely an asymptotic one [04:18] see but this isn't a broadcom issue [04:19] well, the other 96% of the times i blame broadcom without looking at the actual issue were correct [04:19] the odds are always with you on that one [04:19] very true [04:20] right up there with nvidia drivers [04:20] nvidia works well [04:20] Ben64: it is a broadcom issue - as in, if they mainlined the driver then it would have been adjusted when the change was made [04:21] TJ-: well, yes. but this problem seems to be because of the mismatch between the broadcom package in 16.04 and the newer kernel, i bet it works fine on zesty and artful [04:24] Always an issue with out-of-tree modules. Internal structures change quite frequently [04:24] seems like something that should be fixed before the newer kernel rolls from -edge to the normal hwe [04:30] I guess because it's in restricted it's overlooked [04:35] Ben64: looks like a pretty simple fix [04:37] has canonical announced what the upgrade plan looks like right now for 17.10 ? i mean i assume that both people on ubuntu-gnome and ubuntu-unity are going to both just be upgraded to the same gnome-based ubuntu desktop [04:37] but i'm wondering if there will be any weirdness as a result of the past differences between unity and gnome flavors [04:38] TJ-: oh? [04:39] Why do I not see any message when I try writing to the 'wall' with the shutdown command? [04:46] i tried the new gnome shell and it seems canonical went extra mile to make it unusable [04:46] on fedora, it is sleek and sexy [04:48] azaki: #ubuntu+1 for 17.10 questions :p [04:48] jdnf, are you wanting to use ubuntu rather than fedora? [04:48] i'm using it, yes [04:48] with unity === rkta_ is now known as rkta [04:50] Ben64: just comment out the line referring to it, it's not needed [04:57] Ben64: this commit explains why http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git/ubuntu/ubuntu-artful.git/commit/include/linux/netdevice.h?id=4a7c972644c1151f6dd34ff4b5f7eacb239e22ee [05:05] !jaunty [05:05] Ubuntu 9.04 (Jaunty Jackalope) was the tenth release of Ubuntu. End Of Life: October 23, 2010. See !eol and !upgrade for more details. [05:26] Help... just installed Docky, is the best I can do to 'hide' the Launcher is to auto-hide it?? Launcher pops back out even when I drag a file to trash it.. [05:53] does ubuntu have images to accompany the keyboard inputs listed? i don't recognize these layouts, e.g. "norman" [05:53] i don't see a standard 'qwerty' one [05:56] might be US [05:59] any suggestions on a cheap ATI gfx card that supports 4k (@ at least 30hz), for 4k video playback only (no games)? prefer ATI over nvidia for the on-chip h265 decoding [06:01] malkauns: nvidia does hevc hardware acceleration [06:01] not for linux [06:02] Ben64, unless u know something that i dont [06:02] pretty sure it does [06:03] Ben64, google thinks otherwise unfortunately [06:03] source? [06:05] Ben64: https://askubuntu.com/questions/834997/how-to-enable-hardware-acceleration [06:05] Ben64, you're partly right but it only supports main profile [06:08] malkauns: that information is outdated though [06:09] Ben64: i'm running nvidia driver 375.82 and cannot get hardware decoding to work [06:09] what card [06:10] GT 710 [06:11] gt710 doesn't have support for hardware accel of h265/hevc [06:12] hmmm [06:12] there's a list here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia_PureVideo [06:13] https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/981372/geforce-basics/which-gpus-support-hevc-a-k-a-h-265-/ [06:13] ^ maybe that's wrong [06:13] "GTX" [06:13] ah :) [06:14] and if you scroll further down, it shows gt 710 as being feature set d, which doesn't include hevc [06:15] i c [06:15] thx [07:36] hi, does ubuntu 17.04 run a secret firewall that blocks external (ie outside LAN) access to Apache web server? [07:37] check my configs many times [07:39] no [07:40] think about what you just asked, do you not think it would have been flagged on release day that 100,000 couldn't access any external site running apache [07:40] wouldn't be much of a secret would it [07:40] why dont you just state the problem you are having specfically [07:46] ikonia, thanks for the response. my web server can't be accessed from outside. i configured port forwarding; even enabled DMZ. This worked on Debian but after I moved to Ubuntu 17.04 the same config doesn't work [07:46] arthur_wj: ok, so you have ufw running or any other firewall interaction (eg: iptables on it's own) [07:48] 1. check that it's listening on the right interface(s) and port(s); 2. check that you can access it from another machine on the same network; 3. check port(s) from internet to see if they're open [07:49] make sure DNS is pointing at the right host (if you're using name resolution) [07:53] thanks Ben64. My ISP blocks the 80 port so my server listens on both 80 and 88, and both can be accessed from other machines in the LAN. The 88 port is open (checked with canyouseeme.org [07:54] then it works [07:54] ikonia: I'm using a DDNS service and it's pointing to the correct IP [07:55] arthur_wj: what is the DNS name of the host you're trying to connect to [07:56] not sure how to understand ur question? [07:56] "what is the URL of your webserver on the outside world" [07:57] arthur0421.oicp.net [07:57] arthur_wj: well your server can be accessed from the internet, everything works. [07:57] arthur_wj: is 174.128.255.236 the correct IP [07:57] arthur_wj: you're running nginx not apache [07:58] are you sure this is your host ? [07:59] it can? when i visit my webserver i just see an error page from the DDNS provider :( [07:59] arthur_wj: a.) is the IP I posted correct b.) you're not running apache - are you sure this is your host [07:59] ikonia: i am using apache, for sure [07:59] arthur_wj: that host is NOT running apache [08:00] so I think your DNS is probably wrong [08:01] what does that mean, DNS is probably wrong? [08:01] the ip that name points to is not your ip [08:01] I suspect you should not be trying to run a web server if you're not sure of the basic of how DNS works [08:03] that IP is correct (the external WAN IP) [08:03] no it isn't [08:08] OMG ur right [08:10] thanks Ben64 and ikonia === r0Oter is now known as r00ter [08:53] hey [08:53] it has been a while since I have ran updates on my Ubuntu and it already wants to be rebooted [08:54] the best course of action is probably to reboot it first, then update the package lists and run dist-upgrade (and finally reboot again if necessary) [09:05] !oubg [09:05] !ping [09:05] pong! [09:17] Hello, I was wondering if anyone can help me get ubuntu working correctly [09:18] I can't get a lot of programs installed thru Ubuntu software to open [09:18] OUBG [09:19] when i open on terminal i get: "snap-confine has elevated permissions and is not confined but should be. Refusing to continue to avoid permission escalation attacks" [09:21] larsfronius: thats interesting, where are the snaps coming from ? [09:21] ubuntu official sources ? [09:21] i think so [09:21] be worth checking [09:22] ok thanks [09:25] i just removed other gfx drivers sources that were there then: sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade [09:25] removed the software then reinstalled it through software center but still getting the same issue [09:26] leotreasure: I'd raise a bug against those snaps then (personally) [09:26] as it sounds like the permissions elevation config is wrong for them [09:26] ikonia, ok thanks [09:29] how do i check whether i'm using gnome? [09:29] demophobia: did you install it ? [09:29] yes, i think echo $DESKTOP_SESSION may work [09:29] I'm not sure $DESKTOP_SESSION is a valid variable, but if it is, thats useful to know [09:29] nope. got that from https://superuser.com/questions/96151/how-do-i-check-whether-i-am-using-kde-or-gnome but it just says "Lubuntu" [09:30] ughh, [09:30] (it is, but doesn't answer the question as advertised) [09:30] why are you installing gnome on lubuntu [09:30] didn't you install lubuntu because you wanted to use LXDE ? [09:33] ikonia, okay, so lxde and gnome are indeed categories? i thought "lxde uses gnome" was a valid statement. [09:33] i thought lxde was the lubuntu desktop and gnome was the display system. [09:33] no [09:33] they are different desktop environments [09:33] with respect, I'd suggest you look into what you are doing (ask if you're not sure) before doing it [09:34] demophobia: what is it you're actually trying to achieve ? [09:34] ikonia, thanks. that was just for conversation (good to know) -- my actual problem: i'm using dvorak primarily and Mozc for Japanese typing, but I want Mozc's typing to use qwerty layout, not Dvorak. I don't know how to change this. [09:35] ("for conversation": someone was speaking as if i was using KDE and i thought i was using gnome) [09:35] demophobia: so how does that relate to gnome ? [09:35] maybe I'm missing the context here ? [09:35] ikonia, just that someone said "you should be able to set -- short answer is it doesn't, never mind about that ... [09:35] it was just a different conversation [09:35] a side topic [09:36] demophobia: so is the real question "I'm using lubuntu and want to change my keymap" ? [09:37] ikonia, no, real question: How do I get Mozc to use qwerty instead of dvorak when i switch to it from dvorak? [09:37] so you want one app to use a different keymap than the rest of the whole OS ? [09:38] i tried adding a third keyboard, qwerty, thinking i could switch dvorak > qwerty > Mozc and Mozc would use qwerty, but instead it appears to be a "choose two" situation where ctrl+space doesn't recognize that 3 options are configured [09:38] seems Fcitx is glitchy [09:38] since i install 3 keyboard configurations and it only recognizes two when ... [09:39] so you want one app to use a different keymap than the rest of the whole OS ? [09:39] i don't understand your question. if Mozc is an app, then, yes. [09:39] it's what windows10 does, pushing the japanese IME into qwerty [09:39] so muscle memory [09:40] hello [09:40] demophobia, why not go for ibus-mozc [09:40] bazhang, 'cause I don't know how and fcitx was the first thing i got working [09:40] demophobia, it's extremely simple [09:40] need some help overclocking nvidia card... It will not overclock if IGD is selected in BIOS - just does not care what coolbits are set. [09:41] elektrinis: doesn't sounds like an ubuntu problem [09:41] now, is there a linux-based nvidia channel? [09:42] no idea [09:42] doesn't really sound like a "linux" problem, but I don't know [09:42] elektrinis, try ##hardware [09:42] thanks. [09:42] np [09:42] I'll sit around here as well, if you don't mind. maybe someone will know. [09:43] elektrinis: it's offtopic for this channel, so please don't ask in this channel *you're of course welcome to stay* [09:43] which ubuntu software did you plan to use for that elektrinis [09:43] tried 16.04, now on 17 [09:43] same results [09:44] elektrinis, I mean which software to overclock [09:44] default 384 driver [09:44] elektrinis, IN NVidia settings? [09:45] yes. both terminal and gui [09:45] elektrinis, does nvidia-settings have an option to overclock [09:46] yes and no. if EPG is selected in bios, after I set correct coolbits value, I can overclock the card both via terminal and GUI. [09:46] elektrinis, the gui of what exact software package [09:46]