| Trevinho | c-lobrano: you might wat to give a look to https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu-themes/vertical-linked-buttons-tuning/+merge/330958 | 02:28 |
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| duflu | Trevinho, I found some of those buttons in gnome-maps too. But only after hacking the code (they are hidden behind the map :) | 02:32 |
| Trevinho | hi duflu | 02:32 |
| duflu | Hello too, Trevinho | 02:33 |
| Trevinho | duflu: yeah, I saw them.. and c-lobrano already fixed that case, but there were some issues when we had more than 2 elements and some sizes were wrong | 02:33 |
| Trevinho | duflu: also, I was thinking about not using rotated BGs for :active state, but probably it's just better to rotate all the gradients | 02:34 |
| Trevinho | give it a check by the way | 02:34 |
| Trevinho | duflu: maps has also a probelm with bg of that elemnt.., but it seems more complicated to pick | 02:34 |
| duflu | Trevinho, ooops... seems the buttons behind the map is Wayland-specific | 02:35 |
| didrocks | good morning | 05:49 |
| duflu | Morning didrocks | 06:01 |
| RAOF | Hey didrocks ! | 06:03 |
| oSoMoN | good morning desktoppers! | 06:10 |
| didrocks | hey hey duflu, oSoMoN! | 06:12 |
| duflu | Hi oSoMoN | 06:12 |
| oSoMoN | hey duflu, didrocks, you guys good? | 06:19 |
| duflu | oSoMoN, yeah going OK. You? | 06:20 |
| oSoMoN | yeah, I’m good, busy sorting out many things before leaving for next week | 06:21 |
| oSoMoN | duflu, how's the travel looking wrt Jose and friends? | 06:21 |
| duflu | oSoMoN, looking like it's improving slightly. Just going to find out the hard way | 06:22 |
| oSoMoN | :/ | 06:27 |
| oSoMoN | hope you have a safe trip (and as easy as it gets) | 06:28 |
| duflu | oSoMoN, Thanks. I am betting on the worst being over before I can round the globe | 06:31 |
| * duflu moves from desktop to laptop | 06:34 | |
| jibel | good morning | 06:55 |
| didrocks | hey jibel | 07:14 |
| jibel | bonjour didrocks | 07:16 |
| flexiondotorg | Morning desktopers | 07:56 |
| didrocks | hey flexiondotorg | 07:58 |
| * didrocks logout and log back in again | 07:58 | |
| oSoMoN | hey flexiondotorg | 07:59 |
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| seb128 | good morning desktopers | 08:00 |
| oSoMoN | salut seb128, ça va? | 08:00 |
| willcooke | morning all | 08:00 |
| oSoMoN | morning willcooke | 08:00 |
| seb128 | lut oSoMoN, très bien, et toi ? | 08:01 |
| seb128 | hey willcooke | 08:01 |
| oSoMoN | seb128, très bien, merci! | 08:01 |
| willcooke | seb128, Laney - I've got a meeting today again, whose turn is it on the meeting chair? :) | 08:02 |
| seb128 | haha | 08:02 |
| didrocks | hey hey willcooke, Laney | 08:03 |
| seb128 | I don't know whose turn it is but I can do it | 08:03 |
| Laney | morning | 08:03 |
| seb128 | hey Laney | 08:03 |
| Laney | hey seb128 | 08:04 |
| Laney | what's up | 08:04 |
| Laney | hey didrocks too | 08:04 |
| tseliot | jbicha: hey, gdm doesn't seem to call the hooks for prime any more, which means that switching between configurations on hybrid graphics doesn't work in 17.10. From what I can see, gdm doesn't call gpu-manager on log out. | 08:17 |
| didrocks | Laney: when you get some time, mind looking at the FFe for ubuntu-dock dynamic transparency? bug #1717509 (I opened it on Friday, just attached the final diff) | 08:26 |
| ubot5 | bug 1717509 in gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock (Ubuntu) "FFe/UIFe dock transparency and slight behavior changes" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1717509 | 08:26 |
| c-lobrano | hi all | 08:34 |
| c-lobrano | Trevinho: I've seen for https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu-themes/vertical-linked-buttons-tuning/+merge/330958, quite a change :D, thanks | 08:35 |
| Laney | willcooke: jibel: seb128's not available atm, proposing to delay for 30 minutes or so | 08:36 |
| didrocks | Laney: as you timed out, not sure if you saw this: when you get some time, mind looking at the FFe for ubuntu-dock dynamic transparency? bug #1717509 (I opened it on Friday, just attached the final diff)" | 08:36 |
| ubot5 | bug 1717509 in gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock (Ubuntu) "FFe/UIFe dock transparency and slight behavior changes" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1717509 | 08:36 |
| Laney | I saw it | 08:36 |
| Laney | i've been strategically leaving some requests to see if anybody else is picking them up | 08:37 |
| jibel | Laney, wfm | 08:37 |
| didrocks | that's what I thought when I didn't see that getting updated on Friday or Monday, that's why I didn't harass you :) | 08:37 |
| didrocks | I would say can still wait for tomorrow, but I would like to have it updated and getting feedback before the week-end as there is quite some code changes | 08:37 |
| GunnarHj | Hi Laney, saw the trello note about l-s. but for 17.10 I think that bug 1662031 should be given priority. It makes little sense to facilitate installing of additional languages if the users cannot switch between them. | 10:26 |
| ubot5 | bug 1662031 in gdm3 (Ubuntu) "Switching language and format broken" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1662031 | 10:26 |
| Laney | Didn't I say that the bugs were still valid? | 10:27 |
| Laney | (that was rhetorical: yes) | 10:27 |
| Laney | I agree that it should be looked at | 10:28 |
| GunnarHj | Laney: You did. Is there a plan? | 10:28 |
| Laney | not in particular | 10:28 |
| Laney | feel free to tag it rls-aa-incoming | 10:28 |
| GunnarHj | Laney: Just did. | 10:29 |
| Laney | thx | 10:30 |
| Trevinho | c-lobrano: good, feel free to review it | 10:56 |
| GunnarHj | seb128, jbicha: Hi! Reminding of https://code.launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu.artful_cjkv-fixes | 11:07 |
| GunnarHj | If you think it's ok, I suppose it should be merged. | 11:07 |
| GammaDraconis | Hello developper Team, why the iso dailybuild of Ubuntu Gnome (17.10) exist ? (I do not speak of Ubuntu but Ubuntu Gnome which was to disappear) ?? | 11:07 |
| seb128 | hey GunnarHj | 11:07 |
| seb128 | GammaDraconis, because nobody stopped the build I guess, that's a question for darkxst or jbicha | 11:07 |
| seb128 | didrocks, you plan an ubuntu dock upload right? what do you think about including http://paste.ubuntu.com/25571905/ ? | 11:19 |
| c-lobrano | Trevinho: lets say I'll use it to learn all the things I don't know yet :D | 11:22 |
| seb128 | didrocks, or should I just dput that and you can rebase your upload then? | 11:23 |
| seb128 | GunnarHj, if you believe that's a gdm bug then it might be useful to upstream it | 11:26 |
| seb128 | Laney, could you get libreoffice/autopkgtest/i386 ignored (I never remember if I can do that myself and how)? it's not a regression but still the same kernel/java issue, the previous version already got forced in | 11:32 |
| seb128 | Laney, (there was also a bug tagged to blog the migration which I just untagged) | 11:33 |
| Laney | ok, but what's the status of that issue / who is making sure it is worked? | 11:34 |
| seb128 | Laney, kernel team had a fix uploaded which needed to be validated/migrated to updates/made available in the autopkgtest machine last time I checked, I should probably ping around about that again | 11:36 |
| Laney | can you remind me of the bug number for my commit please? | 11:36 |
| seb128 | sure, let me look | 11:38 |
| Laney | thx | 11:38 |
| seb128 | Laney, bug #1700692 | 11:39 |
| ubot5 | bug 1699772 in linux (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #1700692 linux-image-4.10.0-24-generic, linux-image-4.8.0-56-generic, linux-image-4.4.0-81-generic, linux-image-3.13.0-121-generic Regression: many user-space apps crashing" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1699772 | 11:39 |
| seb128 | ah, that's a duplicate, correct number in ^ | 11:39 |
| Laney | nice one, done | 11:43 |
| seb128 | thanks! | 11:44 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: I know that the bug is related somehow to GDM, since it's not present if I switch to LightDM, but I failed to spot the cause. It seems to happen at the start of the GNOME session,,, | 12:06 |
| willcooke | jibel, when you get a mo, can you check a proposed Xenial? When I commented in the meeting earlier about Chrome having a new theme, it seems my entire desktop has a new theme :) | 12:07 |
| willcooke | jibel, I'm going to upgrade again and see if it goes away - so gimme an hour or so and I will reboot | 12:07 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: Upstream don't use ~/.pam_environment for setting locale variables. Possibly it works with vanilla GNOME. | 12:09 |
| seb128 | GunnarHj, so changing language in gnome-control-center works? it's just in l-s which it doesn't? | 12:09 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: No, that's not it. Changing it in the sense that ~/.pam_environment is set, works both if you use g-c-c and l-s. The problem is that something is overriding the PAM set variables, and in the end the variables in /etc/default/locale get set for the user session. | 12:11 |
| seb128 | GunnarHj, I've been changing language in g-c-c and it changes the strings in my session correctly | 12:12 |
| seb128 | but I think it gets that config out of gsettings or something | 12:12 |
| jibel | willcooke, yeah, just let me know what you want me to check | 12:13 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: It's been a while since I last tested. Please note that we have ubuntu specific patches in accountsservice and g-c-c, so gsettings shouldn't be involved. | 12:15 |
| didrocks | seb128: sure, I can include that, do you want me to push and you commit there? | 12:17 |
| seb128 | didrocks, there is a vcs? | 12:17 |
| seb128 | didrocks, if you can push for me that would be nice | 12:17 |
| didrocks | seb128: will do, even adding your little name to it then :p | 12:17 |
| seb128 | if that's upstream they don't know me | 12:17 |
| seb128 | haha | 12:17 |
| seb128 | thanks | 12:17 |
| didrocks | yw | 12:18 |
| didrocks | seb128: will write the blog post, so that everything is prepared for tomorrow's morning upload | 12:19 |
| seb128 | great | 12:19 |
| didrocks | I gues that's fine if it's only available then? | 12:19 |
| didrocks | ok | 12:19 |
| seb128 | yes | 12:19 |
| seb128 | we don't have a langpack export before next monday | 12:19 |
| seb128 | well unless I kick one manually but I think it can wait for monday | 12:19 |
| didrocks | sounds good then :) | 12:20 |
| oSoMoN | chrisccoulson, hey, have you had a chance to c | 12:27 |
| oSoMoN | check the chromium update in the stage ppa? | 12:27 |
| oSoMoN | (61.0.3163.79) | 12:27 |
| didrocks | seb128: I think you didn't try your debdiff ;) | 13:12 |
| seb128 | didrocks, I did but not in a pbuilder | 13:12 |
| seb128 | I guess some extra build-depends are needed for the make pot? | 13:13 |
| seb128 | like gettext? | 13:13 |
| didrocks | seb128: no, I'm surprised this passed for you even on your machine, the pot depends on prefs.js that we don't ship | 13:14 |
| didrocks | (in ubuntu-dock) | 13:14 |
| didrocks | just removed from the TO_LOCALIZE list | 13:14 |
| seb128 | $ f prefs.js | 13:14 |
| seb128 | ./gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock-0.5/prefs.js | 13:14 |
| didrocks | (in makefile) | 13:14 |
| didrocks | yeah, but not installed | 13:14 |
| didrocks | oh, forgot what I said | 13:14 |
| didrocks | I removed it afterwards on the based merged | 13:14 |
| seb128 | ah | 13:14 |
| didrocks | and you weren't testing the ubuntu-dock branch | 13:14 |
| seb128 | no, there is no vcs info in the control | 13:15 |
| seb128 | so I though it was not maintained in a vcs | 13:15 |
| didrocks | yeah, the package moved, I think I can add it now that it's upstream | 13:15 |
| seb128 | thx | 13:15 |
| didrocks | the link was in the best documented place: my blog though! :) | 13:15 |
| seb128 | :-) | 13:15 |
| * didrocks doesn't remember, is it Vcs-Git: ? | 13:16 | |
| seb128 | we should make debcheckout know about your blog :p | 13:16 |
| * didrocks sends a patch to debian :p | 13:16 | |
| seb128 | Vcs-Git is correct iirc yes | 13:16 |
| didrocks | btw, it was the Homepage! :) | 13:16 |
| didrocks | let's add this | 13:17 |
| seb128 | yeah, I saw that one, I assumed it was the code without the packaging | 13:17 |
| seb128 | right, I've been too lazy to open to check :p | 13:17 |
| didrocks | heh ;) | 13:17 |
| didrocks | no worry | 13:17 |
| seb128 | thanks for fixing! | 13:17 |
| didrocks | thanks for the fix first! | 13:17 |
| seb128 | btw no build-depends missing I think | 13:17 |
| seb128 | dh-translations depends on intltool | 13:18 |
| didrocks | no, worked on my sbuilds | 13:18 |
| seb128 | which depends on gettext | 13:18 |
| jibel | tkamppeter, after a recent update of artful my printer stopped printing (canon mp210 usb) and there is this message in error_log "Can't detect file type / Job stopped due to filter errors; please consult the error_log file for details" | 13:18 |
| jibel | tkamppeter, this is from error_log, how can I debug that? | 13:18 |
| jibel | tkamppeter, the file is just a pdf but I tried with a libreoffice doc too and same error | 13:18 |
| tkamppeter | First, make sure that your debug logging is in debug mode, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingPrintingProblems section "CUPS error_log". | 13:21 |
| tkamppeter | jibel, ^^ | 13:21 |
| tkamppeter | jibel, then try to print the job again and mail me the error_log. | 13:21 |
| jibel | tkamppeter, thanks, I enable it and report a bug | 13:21 |
| jibel | I will* | 13:22 |
| tkamppeter | jibel, another question: Do you have any other printer which works correctly? | 13:22 |
| tkamppeter | jibel, and for your Canon, are you using proprietary drivers from Canon or do you simply use what comes with Ubuntu? | 13:23 |
| jibel | tkamppeter, no I just have this one at the moment but it used to work pretty well. I use the drivers from Ubuntu | 13:27 |
| jibel | tkamppeter, after enabling debug mode from system-config-printer, the server do not start | 13:27 |
| tkamppeter | jibel, can you start it manually: "sudo systemctl start cups"? | 13:36 |
| seb128 | didrocks, did you see bug #1715869, any opinion about that? | 13:49 |
| ubot5 | bug 1715869 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "It should say 'Position on screen' not 'Screen position' in Dock panel in 3.25.x" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1715869 | 13:49 |
| jibel | tkamppeter, that's what I did and it started. I'll gather some info and keep you updated | 13:50 |
| didrocks | seb128: no opinion, I think it makes sense, but will need an UIFe | 13:51 |
| seb128 | right, I wonder if it's important enough to request one | 13:51 |
| didrocks | native speakers, any thoughts? ^ | 13:52 |
| seb128 | jbicha, Laney, ^ opinion on how | 13:52 |
| seb128 | s/how/^ | 13:52 |
| willcooke | jibel, re: the issue I had with themeing. I think it's a Chrome issue. Ignore for now | 13:56 |
| jibel | willcooke, k | 13:57 |
| jibel | tkamppeter, similar error messages to mine in bug 1718132 but with an hp printer | 13:58 |
| ubot5 | bug 1718132 in hplip (Ubuntu) "setup.py crashed with OSError in log(): [Errno 5] Eingabe-/Ausgabefehler" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1718132 | 13:58 |
| jibel | and made hplip crash as a side effect | 13:58 |
| seb128 | oh, dholbach still use ubuntu, good :) | 13:59 |
| jibel | he uses the dev release even :) | 14:00 |
| jbicha | didrocks: I think Unity used "Launcher placement". How about just "Placement"? | 14:01 |
| jbicha | oh, Launcher Placement was asking which screen you wanted it on | 14:02 |
| didrocks | jbicha: indeed | 14:03 |
| * didrocks just had a flashback implementing that in 2010/2011 :p | 14:04 | |
| Laney | didrocks: seb128: position on screen is better to me | 14:21 |
| seb128 | jbicha, what would you think about removing euronews and guardian from the grilo plugin? they don't list any working content (https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=771213 and guardian seems to at least require totem-pl-parser built with libqvui which we don't do, and even with that it seems to not work on fedora) | 14:25 |
| ubot5 | Gnome bug 771213 in lua "Euronews plugin doesn't work" [Normal,New] | 14:25 |
| seb128 | Laney, thanks | 14:25 |
| tkamppeter | jibel, problem is that your cups-filters and libqpdf are not corresponding. | 14:26 |
| tkamppeter | jibel, which version of libqpdf and which version of the cups-filters packages do you have installed? | 14:27 |
| didrocks | jbicha: seb128: tkamppeter: if you are working on the gnome-control-center change for printer, maybe roll the string change with it? (to not spam translation and documentation team too much with this) | 14:28 |
| seb128 | didrocks, k | 14:28 |
| seb128 | tkamppeter, current artful has cups-filter 1.17.5-1 and qpdf 7.0.0-1 | 14:29 |
| jibel | thanks seb128 :) | 14:29 |
| seb128 | jbicha synced the new qpdf | 14:30 |
| seb128 | jbicha, ^ did you screw up cups-filter by doing that? ;-) | 14:30 |
| seb128 | what was the rational for the update? | 14:30 |
| tkamppeter | seb128, jibel, these should work together assuming that the soname did not increase from 7.0~b1 -> 7.0.0 of libqpdf. | 14:30 |
| jibel | I can try to downgrade qpdf | 14:31 |
| seb128 | tkamppeter, seems it didn't | 14:31 |
| seb128 | oh, wait | 14:31 |
| seb128 | no, ignore that | 14:31 |
| seb128 | tkamppeter, how/where would an incompatibility show? | 14:32 |
| seb128 | tkamppeter, is your artful uptodate? does it work for you? | 14:32 |
| tkamppeter | If not, cups-filters needs to get no-change-rebuilt, or I simply upload my yesterday-released 1.17.7 with some extra fixes. | 14:32 |
| tkamppeter | seb128, ldd /usr/lib/cups/filter/pdftopdf | 14:32 |
| tkamppeter | seb128, jibel, I will prepare the 1.17.7 upload now ... | 14:33 |
| seb128 | tkamppeter, the soname didn't change, are you sure a rebuild is going to fix it? | 14:34 |
| jibel | tkamppeter, I downgraded qpdf to 7.0~b1-0ubuntu1, printed to a pdf and it's fine (read not a blank page) | 14:35 |
| seb128 | oh | 14:35 |
| seb128 | $ /usr/lib/cups/filter/pdftopdf | 14:35 |
| seb128 | /usr/lib/cups/filter/pdftopdf: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libqpdf.so.18: version `LIBQPDF_18' not found (required by /usr/lib/cups/filter/pdftopdf) | 14:35 |
| seb128 | so yeah, seems the issue | 14:36 |
| seb128 | jbicha worth knowing to test cups before updating qpdf next time! | 14:36 |
| seb128 | jibel, did you report a bug about the issue? | 14:36 |
| seb128 | tkamppeter, thanks for fixing it | 14:36 |
| jibel | bug 1718215 | 14:36 |
| jibel | tkamppeter, ^ | 14:37 |
| ubot5 | bug 1718215 in qpdf (Ubuntu) "Documents are sent to the printer do not print" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1718215 | 14:37 |
| seb128 | thanks | 14:37 |
| jibel | poor title :) | 14:37 |
| tkamppeter | Jay Berkenbilt (QPDF upstream) reads LP bugs, but perhaps also good if you could also report on qpdf/qpdf on GitHub (upstream home). | 14:39 |
| tkamppeter | jibel, seb128: ^^ | 14:39 |
| seb128 | tkamppeter, well, you said that cups-filter just needs a rebuild so nothing to report against qpdf? | 14:40 |
| tkamppeter | seb128, jibel, I will upload cups-filters 1.17.7 anyway, to "mark it in" for beta freeze (note that I will travel tomorrow, followed by two days of touristing). | 14:41 |
| seb128 | thanks tkamppeter | 14:41 |
| jibel | tkamppeter, thanks | 14:41 |
| tkamppeter | seb128, I am not sure, as pdftopdf passed ldd but fails when starting it. This looks like a QPDF bug for me, so please continue reporting it. No-change rebuilt usually is done on a soname change. | 14:42 |
| seb128 | ah | 14:44 |
| seb128 | $ nm -D /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libqpdf.so.18 | grep LIBQ | 14:44 |
| seb128 | 0000000000000000 A LIBQPDF_19 | 14:44 |
| seb128 | http://launchpadlibrarian.net/337302409/qpdf_7.0~b1-3_7.0.0-1.diff.gz has | 14:44 |
| seb128 | # LT = libtool | 14:44 |
| seb128 | -LT_CURRENT=18 | 14:44 |
| seb128 | +LT_CURRENT=19 | 14:44 |
| seb128 | +LT_AGE=1 | 14:44 |
| seb128 | -LT_AGE=0 | 14:44 |
| seb128 | so soname didn't change | 14:44 |
| seb128 | but the symbol changed | 14:44 |
| seb128 | $ ldd /usr/lib/cups/filter/pdftopdf | 14:45 |
| seb128 | /usr/lib/cups/filter/pdftopdf: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libqpdf.so.18: version `LIBQPDF_18' not found (required by /usr/lib/cups/filter/pdftopdf) | 14:46 |
| seb128 | libqpdf.map.in:LIBQPDF_@LT_CURRENT@ { | 14:47 |
| seb128 | so yeah, I don't know if qpdf is handling things weirdly, it feels like that symbol should match the soname | 14:49 |
| seb128 | not the ltcurrent | 14:50 |
| tkamppeter | jibel, seb128, no downgrade of QPDF needed. I have rebuilt cups-filters now and this way it works with QPDF. Will upload cups-filters 1.17.7 in the next hour or so. | 14:59 |
| seb128 | tkamppeter, thanks, still the symbols you depends on shouldn't go away like that no? | 14:59 |
| jibel | tkamppeter, thanks that's fine, it was just to confirm the version mismatch was to blame. | 15:01 |
| didrocks | hum, ostree has been removed from s390 but not flatpak, and so, gnome software is FTBFS | 15:21 |
| jbicha | Laney: do you know why you have gnome-software-plugin-flatpak installing the ostree plugin as of rev.86 this wasn't done in Debian? | 15:29 |
| seb128 | k, it's meeting time | 15:30 |
| seb128 | #startmeeting Desktop Team 2017-09-19 | 15:30 |
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| seb128 | Roll call: andyrock, dgadomski, didrocks, duflu (out), jbicha, jamesh (out), jibel/heber (out), kenvandine (out), laney, oSoMoN, seb128, tkamppeter(out), trevinho, robert_ancell (out) | 15:30 |
| didrocks | hey | 15:30 |
| Trevinho | hello guys! | 15:30 |
| heber | o/ | 15:30 |
| jbicha | o/ | 15:30 |
| Laney | jbicha: no, why does it matter? | 15:30 |
| andyrock | o/ | 15:30 |
| oSoMoN | o/ | 15:31 |
| jbicha | it probably doesn't matter except we should probably do the same thing there on Debian and Ubuntu | 15:31 |
| seb128 | k, let's get started | 15:31 |
| seb128 | jbicha, Laney, topic for another channel or post meeting? | 15:31 |
| === seb128 changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: andyrock | ||
| seb128 | andyrock, hey | 15:31 |
| Laney | ok | 15:32 |
| andyrock | hey | 15:32 |
| andyrock | # Implementing progress-bar in ubuntu-dock | 15:32 |
| andyrock | # Ported the lockcreen-missing-entry from xenial to artful | 15:32 |
| andyrock | # Writing a fix to workaround bug 1532508 | 15:32 |
| ubot5 | bug 1532508 in GNOME Shell "Screen shown briefly after opening closed laptop lid, before even unlocking" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1532508 | 15:32 |
| andyrock | # eow | 15:32 |
| seb128 | andyrock, did you see they had patches up for review upstream for that lockscreen/gnome-shell issue? | 15:33 |
| andyrock | yep, basically it's the same idea | 15:33 |
| seb128 | k, but better than what they did? ;-) | 15:33 |
| andyrock | easier | 15:33 |
| seb128 | anyway, I just wanted to point it out in case you didn't see their version | 15:33 |
| seb128 | thanks andyrock! | 15:33 |
| andyrock | yw! | 15:33 |
| === seb128 changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: dgadomski | ||
| seb128 | dgadomski, hey | 15:34 |
| dgadomski | hey | 15:34 |
| dgadomski | * prepared a set of benchmarks for bug #1638695 with various build-time options, will prepare some more | 15:34 |
| dgadomski | * proposed a patch for #1699179 after testing (waiting for review) | 15:34 |
| ubot5 | bug 1638695 in python2.7 (Ubuntu Xenial) "Python 2.7.12 performance regression" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1638695 | 15:34 |
| tkamppeter | seb128, jibel: cups-filters 1.17.7 uploaded. | 15:34 |
| dgadomski | eof | 15:34 |
| seb128 | tkamppeter, thanks | 15:34 |
| seb128 | dgadomski, thanks | 15:34 |
| seb128 | shrug | 15:34 |
| seb128 | I screwed up bot commands (somebody could have told me!) | 15:35 |
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| seb128 | #topic didrocks | 15:35 |
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| seb128 | didrocks, hey | 15:35 |
| didrocks | hey | 15:35 |
| didrocks | * Final touch to GDM with adding ubuntu logo to login screen | 15:35 |
| didrocks | * Change alt-tab behavior by advanced alt-tab in G-S + blog post (https://didrocks.fr/2017/09/14/ubuntu-gnome-shell-in-artful-day-12/). Continuing the discussion in the upstream bug report. | 15:35 |
| didrocks | * glib2.0 merge | 15:35 |
| didrocks | * Review whoopsie integration patch for g-c-c and sponsored. | 15:35 |
| didrocks | * update mutter/G-S/G-S-E to 3.26 | 15:35 |
| didrocks | * Shuffle some keybindings in the dock to be more consitent both with keyboard shortcut or keyboard + mouse | 15:35 |
| didrocks | * Work with Dash to Dock upstream in testing and advice them on dynamic transparency. FFe/UIFe for Ubuntu dock. Upload + blog post planned tomorrow morning. | 15:35 |
| didrocks | . | 15:35 |
| seb128 | thanks didrocks | 15:36 |
| seb128 | nice work as usual, I like the ubuntu logo on the login screen ;-) | 15:36 |
| didrocks | yeah, it's less empty ;) (and thanks!) | 15:36 |
| seb128 | k, next one | 15:36 |
| seb128 | #topic duflu | 15:36 |
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| seb128 | * Performance: | 15:36 |
| seb128 | - TLDR: Still jumping between CPU fixes and smoothness fixes which are interacting with each other... | 15:36 |
| seb128 | - Prototyped and proposed the first fixes for GTK stuttering: | 15:36 |
| seb128 | . https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=787665 | 15:36 |
| seb128 | - The stutter bugs are blocking the CPU-halving fix to clutter-gtk/totem, which exaggerates the issues. | 15:36 |
| ubot5 | Gnome bug 787665 in .General "gdk_frame_clock_get_frame_time is irregular and causing stuttering" [Normal,New] | 15:36 |
| seb128 | - Unfortunately this has revealed a new problem with the design of clutter's GDK backend -- If you modify it to perform efficiently per the design of wl_subsurface then it no longer gets accurate monitor timing info. It works OK (guessing 60Hz instead of 59.95Hz) but is not ideal, and does constitute a new regression that would occur as a result of fixing the high CPU problem. This is actually a design bug in clutter | 15:36 |
| seb128 | (gdk<->clutter clock linking) more than anything else, so is difficult to fix and a difficult conversation with upstream for later. | 15:36 |
| seb128 | - I will certainly still be working on this in New York next week. | 15:37 |
| seb128 | * Daily bug management across gnome-shell, mutter, gdm, ubuntu-themes, bluez, pulseaudio, dkms and mir. | 15:37 |
| seb128 | * Travel planning and preparation. My flight departs about the same time as this meeting. I am now traveling and on vacation briefly. Catch you next week... | 15:37 |
| seb128 | #topic jbicha | 15:37 |
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| seb128 | jbicha, hey | 15:37 |
| jbicha | • Packaged most of GNOME 3.26 | 15:37 |
| jbicha | • Added gnome-language-selector button to gnome-control-center as workaround for LP: #1631750 | 15:37 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1631750 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "Language installation doesn't work in Ubuntu GNOME 16.10 Settings app" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1631750 | 15:37 |
| jbicha | • Filed LP: #1717946 and LP: #1717951 | 15:37 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1717946 in ubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "UIFe: Drop xterm and xdiagnose from default install" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1717946 | 15:37 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1717951 in imagemagick (Ubuntu) "UIFe: Drop imagemagick-display from the default install" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1717951 | 15:37 |
| jbicha | • Filed MIRs for 2 LibreOffice deps LP: #1717926 LP: #1717930 | 15:38 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1717926 in libzmf (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libzmf" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1717926 | 15:38 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1717930 in libstaroffice (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libstaroffice" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1717930 | 15:38 |
| jbicha | • Working with tkamppeter on system-config-printer presence in 17.10 LP: #1718083 | 15:38 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1718083 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "UIFe: Add Additional Printer Settings button" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1718083 | 15:38 |
| jbicha | eof | 15:38 |
| didrocks | nice work jbicha on 3.26 + various patches :) | 15:38 |
| seb128 | thanks jbicha, lot of good work there | 15:38 |
| seb128 | jbicha, do you plan to handle the extra printing button to g-c-c? (just asking, if you don't I'm going to have a look) | 15:39 |
| jbicha | seb128: feel free to work on that | 15:39 |
| seb128 | k | 15:39 |
| seb128 | thanks jbicha | 15:39 |
| didrocks | seb128: if you want, I can handle that tomorrow | 15:39 |
| didrocks | (the extra button) | 15:39 |
| didrocks | + the string change on placement | 15:39 |
| seb128 | didrocks, if you want to do it feel free | 15:39 |
| didrocks | will do thus | 15:40 |
| seb128 | thanks! | 15:40 |
| seb128 | ok, next | 15:40 |
| seb128 | #topic jibel/heber | 15:40 |
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| seb128 | jibel, heber, hey | 15:40 |
| heber | Hey! QA updates: | 15:40 |
| heber | * Triaged printing bug (qpdf / cups-filter version do not match) | 15:40 |
| heber | * Analyze testflinger provisioning failures for Artful | 15:40 |
| heber | * Propose new KPIs for ubuntu desktop | 15:40 |
| heber | * Analyze/Fix ust broken tests | 15:40 |
| heber | * Define and test auto-upgrade jobs timeout | 15:40 |
| heber | EOF | 15:40 |
| seb128 | heber, do you sync up with jibel for summaries? | 15:41 |
| seb128 | he sent one by email which overlap with yours but is slightly different | 15:41 |
| seb128 | I'm going to copy it anyway but would be nice if you had one version in the futur | 15:41 |
| heber | seb128, we fill one doc, but it might be out of sync as well | 15:41 |
| seb128 | - KPI: errors.u.c: http://platform-qa-dashboard.canonical.com/dashboard/db/ubuntu-desktop-kpi | 15:41 |
| seb128 | - New indicators: | 15:41 |
| seb128 | - Delay to publish from proposed to the release pocket. | 15:41 |
| seb128 | - Number of packages of the desktop package set published daily | 15:41 |
| seb128 | - Percentage of packages with a distro patch published daily. | 15:41 |
| seb128 | - SRU verification of update-manager | 15:41 |
| seb128 | - Weekly verification of upgrade from Z to A | 15:41 |
| seb128 | - Tested new gdm (session selection bug) | 15:41 |
| seb128 | - Triaged console-setup bug (ctrl+c terminates the session) | 15:41 |
| seb128 | thanks heber | 15:42 |
| seb128 | #topic kenvandine | 15:42 |
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| seb128 | * Created a gnome-3-26 PPA for 3.26 backports to xenial | 15:42 |
| seb128 | * Created new gnome-3-26-1604 platform snap (naming to match forum discussion for auto-connection) | 15:42 |
| seb128 | * Started building 3.26 versions of existing gnome snaps | 15:42 |
| seb128 | * Working on fixing an issue popey reported against snapcraft-desktop-helpers which causes apps that use various APIs like get_user_special_dir to get paths fail. | 15:42 |
| seb128 | #topic Laney | 15:42 |
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| seb128 | Laney, hey | 15:42 |
| * popey hugs seb128 | 15:42 | |
| Laney | hi | 15:42 |
| Laney | feel like I forgot a lot of stuff in this but my notebook is downstairs | 15:43 |
| Laney | /o\ | 15:43 |
| Laney | • autopkgtest: | 15:43 |
| Laney | ∘ worked on bringing lgw01 back up after the re-deploy | 15:43 |
| Laney | ∘ learned some lessons from that when looking at bos02 (arm64/s390x cloud) | 15:43 |
| Laney | ‣ played with that to see what was working | 15:43 |
| Laney | ‣ filed a few tickets to get missing stuff fixed | 15:43 |
| Laney | ∘ holding the hand of armhf workers | 15:43 |
| Laney | • uploaded the new wallpapers | 15:43 |
| Laney | • tracked down another console-setup / tty keyboard mode bug | 15:43 |
| Laney | • Add DESKTOP_SESSION parameterised directory to XDG_DATA_DIRS under wayland too | 15:43 |
| Laney | • triaged trello cards & stuff for 18.04 prep | 15:43 |
| Laney | • reviewed quite a few freeze exceptions | 15:43 |
| Laney | 🃏 | 15:43 |
| seb128 | popey, that was the summary for ken if the hug has to do with the work listed :-) | 15:43 |
| oSoMoN | kenvandine does the work, and seb128 gets the hugs | 15:44 |
| popey | He's had far too many hugs recently. You deserve one too :) | 15:44 |
| seb128 | thanks :-) | 15:44 |
| seb128 | oSoMoN, that's what managers are for :p | 15:44 |
| seb128 | #topic oSoMoN | 15:44 |
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| oSoMoN | hey | 15:44 |
| oSoMoN | • chromium 61.0.3163.79 ready for publication | 15:45 |
| oSoMoN | • chromium beta updated to 62.0.3202.18 and dev updated to 63.0.3213.3 for all series except trusty | 15:45 |
| oSoMoN | • libreoffice 5.4.1-0ubuntu1 now in artful, thanks Seb | 15:45 |
| oSoMoN | • working around bug #1714520 in libreoffice snap by disabling wayland support in desktop helper for now, will get to the bottom of this next week in NYC | 15:45 |
| ubot5 | bug 1714520 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "[snap] libreoffice 5.4.x snap crashes at startup on wayland" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1714520 | 15:45 |
| oSoMoN | • fixed bug #1703813 and bug #1713742 in libreoffice snap | 15:45 |
| ubot5 | bug 1703813 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "[snap] missing removable-media plug" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1703813 | 15:45 |
| ubot5 | bug 1713742 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "[snap] libreoffice 5.4.0 snap has incorrect file permissions for some files installed by stage packages" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1713742 | 15:45 |
| oSoMoN | • got affected by bug #1710637 and found out that snapd is causing the issue (thanks Laney!) | 15:45 |
| ubot5 | bug 1710637 in Snappy "Input falls through to gdm3 and terminates the session on Ctrl+C after udevadm trigger is executed under wayland" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1710637 | 15:45 |
| oSoMoN | • filed bug #1718026 and got a good surprise, it's already fixed in the upcoming snapd 2.28 | 15:45 |
| ubot5 | bug 1718026 in snapd (Ubuntu) "Applications from installed snaps don't appear in activities overview" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1718026 | 15:45 |
| oSoMoN | • looking into issues with firefox snap | 15:45 |
| oSoMoN | • preparing topics for conversations next week | 15:45 |
| oSoMoN | 🗽 | 15:45 |
| seb128 | oSoMoN, thanks! | 15:46 |
| seb128 | #topic seb128 | 15:46 |
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| seb128 | - not a lot of work done this week since I had 3 days off (some carry over item from previous week listed as well due to that) | 15:46 |
| seb128 | - created new g-c-c panel for the ubuntu session settings | 15:46 |
| seb128 | - update-notifier wayland fixes | 15:46 |
| seb128 | - updated unity universe composent to be translatables on launchpad (indicator-appmenu, indicator-messages, indicator-printers, indicator-bluetooth, indicator-sound) | 15:46 |
| seb128 | - trello board reviews | 15:46 |
| seb128 | - triaged recent launchpad bugs | 15:46 |
| seb128 | - reported some issues upstream, debugged some on the way | 15:46 |
| seb128 | </week> | 15:46 |
| seb128 | #topic tkamppeter | 15:47 |
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| tkamppeter | - cups-filters: Got a lot of patches for Braille embossing | 15:47 |
| tkamppeter | - avahi: Found a volunteer for working on the localhost support for IPP-over-USB! It is Rithvik Patibandla, one of the students who worked in this year's GSoC on the new Qt print dialog. | 15:47 |
| tkamppeter | - LibreOffice: The improvements on the print dialog in LibreOffice to support common print dialog backends to always support the current print technologies, the GSoC-2017 project of Yash Srivastav, was accepted by LibreOffice upstream. | 15:47 |
| tkamppeter | - cups: Packaged 2.2.4-7 with fixes for an every-second wake-up of the CUPS daemon and for the print quality option in print queues for driverless printers. | 15:47 |
| tkamppeter | - Preparations for the trip to NYC. | 15:47 |
| tkamppeter | - Bugs. | 15:47 |
| tkamppeter | In addition: Uploaded cups-filters 1.17.7 to get more braille fixes in and to trigger a package build to fit QPDF 7.0.0. | 15:48 |
| seb128 | thanks tkamppeter, have a nice trip and enjoy NY during the few days you are spending there before the rally | 15:48 |
| tkamppeter | seb128, thanks. | 15:48 |
| tkamppeter | seb128, a question: How do I reserve a slot for a lightning talk on Wed or Thu? | 15:48 |
| tkamppeter | seb128, About driverless printing. | 15:49 |
| seb128 | tkamppeter, I don't know but I'm going to ask and get you one | 15:49 |
| seb128 | but I expect people are going to be able to add themselve to the list next week | 15:49 |
| seb128 | thanks tkamppeter | 15:49 |
| oSoMoN | tkamppeter, there's a tab on the rally spreadsheet where you can add yourself | 15:49 |
| tkamppeter | seb128, thanks. Please not on Fri, as I want to present a demo and last year I was in the last slot and they have taken the network down. | 15:49 |
| seb128 | tkamppeter, noted | 15:50 |
| seb128 | oSoMoN, oh, good to know! | 15:50 |
| tkamppeter | oSoMoN, thanks, I did not know that I can simply write there. | 15:50 |
| seb128 | ok, let's see if Marco is still with us of if you didn't resist to the pool attraction | 15:50 |
| seb128 | #topic Trevinho | 15:50 |
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| Trevinho | oh yes.. | 15:50 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, hey | 15:50 |
| seb128 | :-) | 15:50 |
| Trevinho | · Continued some mutter fixes | 15:51 |
| Trevinho | · Redone the .destructive-action buttons style in themes | 15:51 |
| Trevinho | · Done landing of theme fixes | 15:51 |
| Trevinho | · Fixed .vertical .linked buttons style, rotating gradients and supporting middle-buttons | 15:51 |
| Trevinho | · Refactored the cmake file for testing in unity7, splitting them all to avoid false-positive failures | 15:51 |
| Trevinho | · Fixed a Float comparison not working in arm64, still checking ppc64 issues | 15:51 |
| Trevinho | - EOF | 15:51 |
| seb128 | he's trolling me right? | 15:51 |
| seb128 | lol | 15:51 |
| Trevinho | yes >/D | 15:51 |
| seb128 | :-p | 15:52 |
| Trevinho | No, my keyboard layout changed.... | 15:52 |
| seb128 | no worry | 15:52 |
| seb128 | thanks Trevinho! | 15:52 |
| seb128 | did you manage to get unblocked on the unity7 build issues? | 15:52 |
| seb128 | or still needing access to some porter box with a specific env? | 15:52 |
| tkamppeter | seb128, oSoMoN: Thanks, I have entered myself now. | 15:53 |
| Trevinho | seb128: the only issue I've now is witha ppc64 test issue | 15:53 |
| Trevinho | which... I'm looking into, but testing isn't easy having no a porter | 15:53 |
| Trevinho | I might just disable tests there | 15:53 |
| seb128 | yeah, feel free | 15:54 |
| seb128 | I don't think we care much about unity7 on ppc64 | 15:54 |
| Trevinho | Agree... | 15:54 |
| Trevinho | I just don't like failures, as sometimes they are just pointing out that something is wrong | 15:54 |
| Trevinho | just not happening in ther archs because of timing or other rasons | 15:55 |
| Trevinho | reasons* | 15:55 |
| seb128 | right, would still be good to debug if we can | 15:55 |
| seb128 | but probably lower priority than other work/bugs atm | 15:55 |
| seb128 | anyway | 15:55 |
| seb128 | thanks Trevinho | 15:55 |
| Trevinho | yep... just wanted to get rid of this | 15:55 |
| seb128 | #topic robert_ancell | 15:56 |
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| seb128 | - Released GNOME Software 3.26.0 to artful | 15:56 |
| seb128 | - Chasing up SRUs | 15:56 |
| seb128 | - Diagnosing GNOME Software stability / performance issues in artful | 15:56 |
| seb128 | - Backported auth dialog changes to GNOME Software 3.20 (Xenial) | 15:56 |
| seb128 | - Diagnosed why snaps take up more space in GNOME Software search results - turns out to be carriage returns coming from the Snap store. | 15:56 |
| Trevinho | as andyrock has to land some big fixes to unity7, which will have to go to a, in order to be SRUed too | 15:56 |
| seb128 | - Updated versions page to track current package state | 15:56 |
| seb128 | #topic aob | 15:56 |
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| seb128 | Trevinho, right | 15:56 |
| seb128 | so, anything else to discuss? | 15:56 |
| jbicha | not from me this week :) | 15:57 |
| jbicha | oh, I'll probably start working on the Artful Release Notes this week since the Beta is coming up soon | 15:58 |
| didrocks | that will be great! I think you might want to talk with kenvandine as well as GNOME is publishing some transitional documentation | 15:58 |
| jbicha | ok | 15:58 |
| didrocks | so we can reference/pick some work done there | 15:58 |
| seb128 | jbicha, we should probably give an hand there, thanks for pointing out | 16:00 |
| seb128 | I'm going to add it to the rally agenda | 16:00 |
| seb128 | thanks jbicha | 16:00 |
| seb128 | so I guess it's a wrap | 16:00 |
| Laney | NO | 16:00 |
| jbicha | yes, it's a team effort for the release notes :) | 16:00 |
| seb128 | Laney, no? | 16:00 |
| Laney | we should look at | 16:01 |
| Laney | http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-aa-incoming-bug-tasks.html | 16:01 |
| seb128 | ah, yes | 16:01 |
| seb128 | we should probably tag things as well | 16:01 |
| seb128 | that list is short compared to the things we need to fix | 16:01 |
| didrocks | can we freely tag what we put on the list? /me can do with the important bugs I have in mind tomorrow | 16:02 |
| Laney | sure, but things already on there need to be triaged and assigned | 16:02 |
| Laney | the idea is that you nominate them or tag rls-aa-notfixing | 16:02 |
| seb128 | right | 16:02 |
| jbicha | so we should add that tag to bugs that look important to fix before release? | 16:02 |
| Laney | then they go to http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-aa-tracking-bug-tasks.html and get fixed ... | 16:02 |
| seb128 | thanks for pointing that out Laney | 16:02 |
| Laney | yes | 16:02 |
| jbicha | or we can nominate a bug to artful directly if we have permissions, right? | 16:03 |
| seb128 | it should still be tagged to be listed? | 16:03 |
| Laney | i think the nomination alone is enough | 16:04 |
| seb128 | ok | 16:04 |
| seb128 | that was a good reminder | 16:04 |
| Laney | but jbicha shouldn't really be assigning work to the desktop team so the incoming procedure is appropriate | 16:04 |
| seb128 | thanks Laney! | 16:04 |
| seb128 | indeed | 16:04 |
| Laney | um it wasn't meant to be a reminder | 16:04 |
| Laney | or... if itis to be used as one | 16:04 |
| jbicha | ok | 16:04 |
| Laney | when do we go triage the list? | 16:04 |
| seb128 | Laney, sounds like a topic for next monday as we review trello boards/plans/etc? | 16:05 |
| seb128 | or would you prefer to do it before that? | 16:05 |
| Laney | i don't think we have so many work days left this cycle | 16:05 |
| seb128 | right, which is a bit of a shame | 16:05 |
| seb128 | I'm going to have a first pass on the list/tag some bugs tomorrow | 16:05 |
| seb128 | Laney, do you think we should have a collective review, or maybe just go through, assign/close the ones that are obvious and bring on the channel for the others? | 16:06 |
| Laney | I think everything should get assigned to someone and then we should look at incoming / tracking each meeting | 16:06 |
| seb128 | +1 | 16:07 |
| Laney | not sure | 16:07 |
| Laney | some can probably be cleaned off straight away | 16:07 |
| seb128 | k | 16:07 |
| Laney | like I don't know why bdmurray tagged http://launchpad.net/bugs/500175 | 16:07 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 500175 in software-center (Ubuntu) "Canceling an installation in Software Center crashes debconf with "Use of uninitialized value $reply in scalar chomp at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/FrontEnd/Passthrough.pm line 66,"" [Medium,Confirmed] | 16:07 |
| seb128 | right | 16:08 |
| Laney | so yeah if you like feel free to dish them out | 16:08 |
| seb128 | Laney, I need to wrap after the meeting but let's try to have an hangout with willcooke tomorrow morning? | 16:08 |
| seb128 | review the list/assign | 16:08 |
| seb128 | and then from now on we try to keep with it and do regular reviews | 16:08 |
| seb128 | if people want to assign themself to some of those bugs, please do | 16:09 |
| Laney | can do, although I prefer it to be first thing so I can go to the library ;-) | 16:09 |
| Laney | alright | 16:09 |
| Laney | so people can expect to have some of these bugs assigned | 16:09 |
| Laney | please try to work on them if that happens | 16:09 |
| seb128 | +1 | 16:10 |
| seb128 | and yeah, first thing would be good for me as well | 16:10 |
| seb128 | ok, let's wrap on that note | 16:10 |
| seb128 | thanks everyone! | 16:10 |
| Laney | and come to the team if you have issues rather than being stuck/blocked for days | 16:10 |
| Laney | :-) | 16:10 |
| Laney | thanks | 16:10 |
| seb128 | #endmeeting | 16:10 |
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| meetingology | Meeting ended Tue Sep 19 16:10:37 2017 UTC. | 16:10 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2017/ubuntu-desktop.2017-09-19-15.30.moin.txt | 16:10 |
| seb128 | on that note I'm away for a bit, going to deal with backlog before wrapping a bit later | 16:10 |
| seb128 | have a nice evening desktopers | 16:11 |
| Laney | on a high brow note: this orange is (1) slimy (2) super citrussy | 16:17 |
| * Laney gets sticky and then dies of facial inversion | 16:17 | |
| kenvandine | lol | 16:17 |
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| codygarver | can I expect artful to soon pick up the new release of `hicolor-icon-theme`? it only has 1 change, improved hidpi support | 16:37 |
| codygarver | it landed in sid earlier this month | 16:39 |
| jbicha | codygarver: that update is blocked because it appears to make this test fail: http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/p/plasma-framework/artful/amd64 | 16:43 |
| codygarver | thanks! if I'm reading this right, this failure is some warning `cc1: warning: command line option ‘-std=c++11’ is valid for C++/ObjC++ but not for C` | 16:45 |
| codygarver | wonder why | 16:46 |
| codygarver | oh wait no, it's `dialognativetest` in the log from the artifacts | 16:47 |
| Laney | night fam | 17:05 |
| tkamppeter | jbicha, did you see my last e-mails? | 17:16 |
| jbicha | tkamppeter: the one recommending I install cups-pdf? | 17:20 |
| xnox | Laney, please find an asignee to complete this - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/artful/+source/unity-scopes-api/+bug/1718254 | 17:29 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1718254 in unity-scopes-api (Ubuntu Artful) "please drop url-dispatcher dependencies" [Critical,New] | 17:29 |
| jbicha | GunnarHj: hi, these language seed changes (in general) are difficult for me to understand | 17:36 |
| jbicha | https://code.launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu.artful_cjkv-fixes/+merge/329857 | 17:36 |
| jbicha | are you planning to do a language-selector upload to match that? ^ | 17:36 |
| jbicha | I thought the general thinking is that for select languages including zh we would provide everything that l-s would install for that language | 17:38 |
| jbicha | but zh still has fcitx | 17:39 |
| jbicha | *we would provide on the live iso | 17:40 |
| GunnarHj | jbicha: Sorry, unreliable internet connection - back now | 18:19 |
| willcooke | night all | 18:22 |
| amano | Trevinho, is there a bug for the "close documents" "x" in libreoffice | 18:49 |
| amano | that is not themed and looks buggy | 18:50 |
| GunnarHj | jbicha: Hmm.. I see now that my reply didn't make it before I was disconnected. Trying again: | 19:10 |
| GunnarHj | Important to keep in mind that pkg_depends in language-selector is used by the flavors too, and AFAIK they haven't switched from Fcitx to IBus for CJKV. So to not break things, language-selector needs to pull both Fcitx and IBus, which it currently does, so I see no need to change anything there. This is obviously a clumsy solution for CJKV users on Ubuntu (Fcitx packages are installed unnecessarily), but that's the way I think | 19:10 |
| GunnarHj | we must go ATM. | 19:10 |
| jbicha | GunnarHj: could you ask didrocks about that issue? maybe just email the ubuntu-desktop list | 19:11 |
| Trevinho | Ampelbein: yes, also a proposed fix from c-lobrano, the problem is that LO doesn't allow to filter windows properly in order to have a css selector that is unique for it | 19:13 |
| GunnarHj | jbicha: How about adding him as a reviewer on the MP and add the above comment. | 19:13 |
| jbicha | that works too. I believe he was one of the drivers for shipping complete language support on the ISOs | 19:14 |
| Trevinho | Ampelbein: sorry I wanted to reply to amano | 19:15 |
| c-lobrano | amano, which LO version are you using? | 19:17 |
| GunnarHj | jbicha: Right, but aren't you mixing up two different things now? AFAIK that was about language support for the biggest languages. The issue at hand is IM packages for all CJKV languages. | 19:17 |
| GunnarHj | jbicha: In a sense they are related, since Simplified Chinese is included in both groups. But the MP suggests that the IBus packages are seeded in the desktop file. | 19:20 |
| jbicha | it used to be that language-selector would show a popup asking you to install additional stuff for full language support and I think the idea is not show that prompt even when the user installs without internet access for the few langs we support | 19:20 |
| jbicha | but there's probably a good argument to not have fonts-noto-cjk-extra on the iso because of its size and maybe fcitx now too | 19:21 |
| jbicha | but I'm not the one that needs to be convinced here ;) | 19:21 |
| GunnarHj | jbicha: Agreed. Ok, now I think I understand your point. To comply with that idea, we'd need to keep the Fcitx packages in desktop. | 19:22 |
| jbicha | sorry, that you've found several complicated issues this cycle :| but I appreciate you working on it and pinging about it :) | 19:22 |
| GunnarHj | jbicha: Aha, yes, I took for granted that we should tread fonts-noto-cjk-extra specially. | 19:23 |
| GunnarHj | jbicha: It's the kind of stuff I'm usually involved in. ;) | 19:24 |
| GunnarHj | jbicha: But I tend to think that, in order to prevent the "missing lang support" pop-up from showing up for Simplified Chinese installs, we should *not* move the Fcitx packages from desktop to supported, but keep them in desktop. | 19:26 |
| GunnarHj | jbicha: Or rather "live"... | 19:27 |
| seb128 | it doesn't make sense to keep fcitx if it can't be used though | 19:27 |
| jbicha | yes if that's what we want | 19:27 |
| GunnarHj | seb128, jbicha: The problem is that pkg_depends is used by the flavors too, which keep Fcitx as default IM framework for CJKV. | 19:29 |
| jbicha | GunnarHj: shouldn't you conditionalize fcitx in pkg/data_depends then to only be installed for those desktops? | 19:29 |
| jbicha | like how the calligra translations are installed if the calligra library is already installed | 19:30 |
| GunnarHj | jbicha: The mechanism implemented to conditionalize in pkg_depends is to state a package. Is there a common denominator for all flavors but vanilla Ubuntu? | 19:30 |
| GunnarHj | jbicha: Maybe I could add a hack to the python program which parses it... | 19:32 |
| jbicha | you can't repeat a line? using something like caja-common, kdelibs5-data, etc. for all the different flavors? | 19:34 |
| GunnarHj | jbicha: Don't think so, but need to look at the code to be sure. | 19:34 |
| jbicha | if that all works, there may not be any reason to keeping fcitx in supported either at this time | 19:37 |
| GunnarHj | seb128, jbicha: Is it really true that Fcitx can't be used at all? I think we have reasons to assume that many CJKV users, who have started to use Fcitx, want to keep doing so, even if g-c-c doesn't support it. | 19:37 |
| seb128 | GunnarHj, afaik fcitx currently doesn't work under wayland which is our default session | 19:38 |
| seb128 | also there is no gnome-shell integration | 19:38 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: I know that was the case. Still not fixed? | 19:39 |
| jbicha | so I think universe is appropriate: we're not saying they can't install it if they want | 19:39 |
| seb128 | not that I know | 19:39 |
| jbicha | our fcitx packages haven't been updated this cycle | 19:39 |
| seb128 | https://fcitx-im.org/wiki/Todo-List still has it as in progress | 19:40 |
| GunnarHj | seb128, jbicha: Ok, I'll look at a way to make l-s not pull Fcitx in Ubuntu. | 19:40 |
| GunnarHj | seb128, jbicha: Where is Aron nowadays? | 19:41 |
| seb128 | he's on this channel | 19:41 |
| seb128 | I think he's working on kylin but I'm not sure | 19:42 |
| GunnarHj | happyaron: Any thoughts on ^ ? | 19:42 |
| jbicha | he prepared UKUI packages for Debian recently | 19:42 |
| tkamppeter | jbicha, still there? | 20:09 |
| jbicha | yes | 20:22 |
| tkamppeter | jbicha, I mean the e-mail where I have asked you for you to do the patch, as once I did never do any change on any GNOME program, and second, the extra button does not more than simply launch s-c-p in its own window, for testing this no printer is required. | 20:27 |
| tkamppeter | jbicha, the hint with installing cups-pdf is mainly for taking a screenshot with a non-empty printer list. | 20:28 |
| jbicha | tkamppeter: at today's Desktop meeting, didrocks volunteered to work on that patch tomorrow | 20:28 |
| tkamppeter | jbicha, great, thanks for the info. | 20:29 |
| jbicha | unless you got to it sooner ;) | 20:29 |
| tkamppeter | No, I am not working on this, didrock is probably much, much faster with it as he is working on GNOME apps every day. | 20:30 |
| jbicha | it sounds like it could be a good opportunity for you to expand your skills? | 20:30 |
| tkamppeter | But now there is not much time for me as I am departing for NYC tomorrow afternoon and next week we have the Sprint. | 20:31 |
| jbicha | the Printer panel in our default desktop sounds like something that is related to your field of expertise ;) | 20:31 |
| jbicha | ok | 20:31 |
| tkamppeter | jbicha, only that I have contributed to s-c-p which is in Python and there I also have only done the algorithms for printing-related decision making, not the GUI. | 20:33 |
| tkamppeter | jbicha, such things as finding out whether printers discovered by different CUPS backends are actually the same physical device or which driver is the best for a given printer. | 20:35 |
| tkamppeter | jbicha, these parts are even re-used g-c-c as it uses s-c-p's D-Bus service. | 20:36 |
| jbicha | yes, part of s-c-p lives on, but the gui part isn't used by default in most of the big distros now | 20:37 |
| tkamppeter | OK, so the GUI which needs to be maintained principally is the one of g-c-c and the one of s-c-p could be faded out sooner or later? | 20:54 |
| tkamppeter | jbicha, perhaps I should run a GSoC project in 2018 which turns s-c-p's D-Bus service into a C library and another which adds all functionality missing in the g-c-c GUI but present in s-c-p? WDYT? | 20:56 |
| tkamppeter | jbicha, the lib would be GUI-toolkit-independent and hosted at OpenPrinting and all desktops (GNOME/GTK, KDE/Qt, ...) would use this lib. | 20:58 |
| jbicha | I think the hope is that the s-c-p button we're adding be a temporary workaround that we'd try to not need for 18.04 LTS | 21:27 |
| jbicha | GSOC 2018 would be too late for that goal | 21:27 |
| jbicha | the tricky part about "adding all functioinality missing" is that we need to work with the GNOME designers who maybe don't want all those settings there | 21:28 |
| tkamppeter | OK. | 21:36 |
| tkamppeter | jbicha, so my idea is more some long-term idea. | 21:36 |
| jbicha | tkamppeter: cups-filter is blocked on cups autopkgtest http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/c/cups/artful/amd64 | 23:36 |
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