[02:28] c-lobrano: you might wat to give a look to https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu-themes/vertical-linked-buttons-tuning/+merge/330958 [02:32] Trevinho, I found some of those buttons in gnome-maps too. But only after hacking the code (they are hidden behind the map :) [02:32] hi duflu [02:33] Hello too, Trevinho [02:33] duflu: yeah, I saw them.. and c-lobrano already fixed that case, but there were some issues when we had more than 2 elements and some sizes were wrong [02:34] duflu: also, I was thinking about not using rotated BGs for :active state, but probably it's just better to rotate all the gradients [02:34] give it a check by the way [02:34] duflu: maps has also a probelm with bg of that elemnt.., but it seems more complicated to pick [02:35] Trevinho, ooops... seems the buttons behind the map is Wayland-specific [05:49] good morning [06:01] Morning didrocks [06:03] Hey didrocks ! [06:10] good morning desktoppers! [06:12] hey hey duflu, oSoMoN! [06:12] Hi oSoMoN [06:19] hey duflu, didrocks, you guys good? [06:20] oSoMoN, yeah going OK. You? [06:21] yeah, I’m good, busy sorting out many things before leaving for next week [06:21] duflu, how's the travel looking wrt Jose and friends? [06:22] oSoMoN, looking like it's improving slightly. Just going to find out the hard way [06:27] :/ [06:28] hope you have a safe trip (and as easy as it gets) [06:31] oSoMoN, Thanks. I am betting on the worst being over before I can round the globe [06:34] * duflu moves from desktop to laptop [06:55] good morning [07:14] hey jibel [07:16] bonjour didrocks [07:56] Morning desktopers [07:58] hey flexiondotorg [07:58] * didrocks logout and log back in again [07:59] hey flexiondotorg === Guest19724 is now known as RAOF [08:00] good morning desktopers [08:00] salut seb128, ça va? [08:00] morning all [08:00] morning willcooke [08:01] lut oSoMoN, très bien, et toi ? [08:01] hey willcooke [08:01] seb128, très bien, merci! [08:02] seb128, Laney - I've got a meeting today again, whose turn is it on the meeting chair? :) [08:02] haha [08:03] hey hey willcooke, Laney [08:03] I don't know whose turn it is but I can do it [08:03] morning [08:03] hey Laney [08:04] hey seb128 [08:04] what's up [08:04] hey didrocks too [08:17] jbicha: hey, gdm doesn't seem to call the hooks for prime any more, which means that switching between configurations on hybrid graphics doesn't work in 17.10. From what I can see, gdm doesn't call gpu-manager on log out. [08:26] Laney: when you get some time, mind looking at the FFe for ubuntu-dock dynamic transparency? bug #1717509 (I opened it on Friday, just attached the final diff) [08:26] bug 1717509 in gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock (Ubuntu) "FFe/UIFe dock transparency and slight behavior changes" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1717509 [08:34] hi all [08:35] Trevinho: I've seen for https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu-themes/vertical-linked-buttons-tuning/+merge/330958, quite a change :D, thanks [08:36] willcooke: jibel: seb128's not available atm, proposing to delay for 30 minutes or so [08:36] Laney: as you timed out, not sure if you saw this: when you get some time, mind looking at the FFe for ubuntu-dock dynamic transparency? bug #1717509 (I opened it on Friday, just attached the final diff)" [08:36] bug 1717509 in gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock (Ubuntu) "FFe/UIFe dock transparency and slight behavior changes" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1717509 [08:36] I saw it [08:37] i've been strategically leaving some requests to see if anybody else is picking them up [08:37] Laney, wfm [08:37] that's what I thought when I didn't see that getting updated on Friday or Monday, that's why I didn't harass you :) [08:37] I would say can still wait for tomorrow, but I would like to have it updated and getting feedback before the week-end as there is quite some code changes [10:26] Hi Laney, saw the trello note about l-s. but for 17.10 I think that bug 1662031 should be given priority. It makes little sense to facilitate installing of additional languages if the users cannot switch between them. [10:26] bug 1662031 in gdm3 (Ubuntu) "Switching language and format broken" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1662031 [10:27] Didn't I say that the bugs were still valid? [10:27] (that was rhetorical: yes) [10:28] I agree that it should be looked at [10:28] Laney: You did. Is there a plan? [10:28] not in particular [10:28] feel free to tag it rls-aa-incoming [10:29] Laney: Just did. [10:30] thx [10:56] c-lobrano: good, feel free to review it [11:07] seb128, jbicha: Hi! Reminding of https://code.launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu.artful_cjkv-fixes [11:07] If you think it's ok, I suppose it should be merged. [11:07] Hello developper Team, why the iso dailybuild of Ubuntu Gnome (17.10) exist ? (I do not speak of Ubuntu but Ubuntu Gnome which was to disappear) ?? [11:07] hey GunnarHj [11:07] GammaDraconis, because nobody stopped the build I guess, that's a question for darkxst or jbicha [11:19] didrocks, you plan an ubuntu dock upload right? what do you think about including http://paste.ubuntu.com/25571905/ ? [11:22] Trevinho: lets say I'll use it to learn all the things I don't know yet :D [11:23] didrocks, or should I just dput that and you can rebase your upload then? [11:26] GunnarHj, if you believe that's a gdm bug then it might be useful to upstream it [11:32] Laney, could you get libreoffice/autopkgtest/i386 ignored (I never remember if I can do that myself and how)? it's not a regression but still the same kernel/java issue, the previous version already got forced in [11:33] Laney, (there was also a bug tagged to blog the migration which I just untagged) [11:34] ok, but what's the status of that issue / who is making sure it is worked? [11:36] Laney, kernel team had a fix uploaded which needed to be validated/migrated to updates/made available in the autopkgtest machine last time I checked, I should probably ping around about that again [11:36] can you remind me of the bug number for my commit please? [11:38] sure, let me look [11:38] thx [11:39] Laney, bug #1700692 [11:39] bug 1699772 in linux (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #1700692 linux-image-4.10.0-24-generic, linux-image-4.8.0-56-generic, linux-image-4.4.0-81-generic, linux-image-3.13.0-121-generic Regression: many user-space apps crashing" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1699772 [11:39] ah, that's a duplicate, correct number in ^ [11:43] nice one, done [11:44] thanks! [12:06] seb128: I know that the bug is related somehow to GDM, since it's not present if I switch to LightDM, but I failed to spot the cause. It seems to happen at the start of the GNOME session,,, [12:07] jibel, when you get a mo, can you check a proposed Xenial? When I commented in the meeting earlier about Chrome having a new theme, it seems my entire desktop has a new theme :) [12:07] jibel, I'm going to upgrade again and see if it goes away - so gimme an hour or so and I will reboot [12:09] seb128: Upstream don't use ~/.pam_environment for setting locale variables. Possibly it works with vanilla GNOME. [12:09] GunnarHj, so changing language in gnome-control-center works? it's just in l-s which it doesn't? [12:11] seb128: No, that's not it. Changing it in the sense that ~/.pam_environment is set, works both if you use g-c-c and l-s. The problem is that something is overriding the PAM set variables, and in the end the variables in /etc/default/locale get set for the user session. [12:12] GunnarHj, I've been changing language in g-c-c and it changes the strings in my session correctly [12:12] but I think it gets that config out of gsettings or something [12:13] willcooke, yeah, just let me know what you want me to check [12:15] seb128: It's been a while since I last tested. Please note that we have ubuntu specific patches in accountsservice and g-c-c, so gsettings shouldn't be involved. [12:17] seb128: sure, I can include that, do you want me to push and you commit there? [12:17] didrocks, there is a vcs? [12:17] didrocks, if you can push for me that would be nice [12:17] seb128: will do, even adding your little name to it then :p [12:17] if that's upstream they don't know me [12:17] haha [12:17] thanks [12:18] yw [12:19] seb128: will write the blog post, so that everything is prepared for tomorrow's morning upload [12:19] great [12:19] I gues that's fine if it's only available then? [12:19] ok [12:19] yes [12:19] we don't have a langpack export before next monday [12:19] well unless I kick one manually but I think it can wait for monday [12:20] sounds good then :) [12:27] chrisccoulson, hey, have you had a chance to c [12:27] check the chromium update in the stage ppa? [12:27] (61.0.3163.79) [13:12] seb128: I think you didn't try your debdiff ;) [13:12] didrocks, I did but not in a pbuilder [13:13] I guess some extra build-depends are needed for the make pot? [13:13] like gettext? [13:14] seb128: no, I'm surprised this passed for you even on your machine, the pot depends on prefs.js that we don't ship [13:14] (in ubuntu-dock) [13:14] just removed from the TO_LOCALIZE list [13:14] $ f prefs.js [13:14] ./gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock-0.5/prefs.js [13:14] (in makefile) [13:14] yeah, but not installed [13:14] oh, forgot what I said [13:14] I removed it afterwards on the based merged [13:14] ah [13:14] and you weren't testing the ubuntu-dock branch [13:15] no, there is no vcs info in the control [13:15] so I though it was not maintained in a vcs [13:15] yeah, the package moved, I think I can add it now that it's upstream [13:15] thx [13:15] the link was in the best documented place: my blog though! :) [13:15] :-) [13:16] * didrocks doesn't remember, is it Vcs-Git: ? [13:16] we should make debcheckout know about your blog :p [13:16] * didrocks sends a patch to debian :p [13:16] Vcs-Git is correct iirc yes [13:16] btw, it was the Homepage! :) [13:17] let's add this [13:17] yeah, I saw that one, I assumed it was the code without the packaging [13:17] right, I've been too lazy to open to check :p [13:17] heh ;) [13:17] no worry [13:17] thanks for fixing! [13:17] thanks for the fix first! [13:17] btw no build-depends missing I think [13:18] dh-translations depends on intltool [13:18] no, worked on my sbuilds [13:18] which depends on gettext [13:18] tkamppeter, after a recent update of artful my printer stopped printing (canon mp210 usb) and there is this message in error_log "Can't detect file type / Job stopped due to filter errors; please consult the error_log file for details" [13:18] tkamppeter, this is from error_log, how can I debug that? [13:18] tkamppeter, the file is just a pdf but I tried with a libreoffice doc too and same error [13:21] First, make sure that your debug logging is in debug mode, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingPrintingProblems section "CUPS error_log". [13:21] jibel, ^^ [13:21] jibel, then try to print the job again and mail me the error_log. [13:21] tkamppeter, thanks, I enable it and report a bug [13:22] I will* [13:22] jibel, another question: Do you have any other printer which works correctly? [13:23] jibel, and for your Canon, are you using proprietary drivers from Canon or do you simply use what comes with Ubuntu? [13:27] tkamppeter, no I just have this one at the moment but it used to work pretty well. I use the drivers from Ubuntu [13:27] tkamppeter, after enabling debug mode from system-config-printer, the server do not start [13:36] jibel, can you start it manually: "sudo systemctl start cups"? [13:49] didrocks, did you see bug #1715869, any opinion about that? [13:49] bug 1715869 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "It should say 'Position on screen' not 'Screen position' in Dock panel in 3.25.x" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1715869 [13:50] tkamppeter, that's what I did and it started. I'll gather some info and keep you updated [13:51] seb128: no opinion, I think it makes sense, but will need an UIFe [13:51] right, I wonder if it's important enough to request one [13:52] native speakers, any thoughts? ^ [13:52] jbicha, Laney, ^ opinion on how [13:52] s/how/^ [13:56] jibel, re: the issue I had with themeing. I think it's a Chrome issue. Ignore for now [13:57] willcooke, k [13:58] tkamppeter, similar error messages to mine in bug 1718132 but with an hp printer [13:58] bug 1718132 in hplip (Ubuntu) "setup.py crashed with OSError in log(): [Errno 5] Eingabe-/Ausgabefehler" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1718132 [13:58] and made hplip crash as a side effect [13:59] oh, dholbach still use ubuntu, good :) [14:00] he uses the dev release even :) [14:01] didrocks: I think Unity used "Launcher placement". How about just "Placement"? [14:02] oh, Launcher Placement was asking which screen you wanted it on [14:03] jbicha: indeed [14:04] * didrocks just had a flashback implementing that in 2010/2011 :p [14:21] didrocks: seb128: position on screen is better to me [14:25] jbicha, what would you think about removing euronews and guardian from the grilo plugin? they don't list any working content (https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=771213 and guardian seems to at least require totem-pl-parser built with libqvui which we don't do, and even with that it seems to not work on fedora) [14:25] Gnome bug 771213 in lua "Euronews plugin doesn't work" [Normal,New] [14:25] Laney, thanks [14:26] jibel, problem is that your cups-filters and libqpdf are not corresponding. [14:27] jibel, which version of libqpdf and which version of the cups-filters packages do you have installed? [14:28] jbicha: seb128: tkamppeter: if you are working on the gnome-control-center change for printer, maybe roll the string change with it? (to not spam translation and documentation team too much with this) [14:28] didrocks, k [14:29] tkamppeter, current artful has cups-filter 1.17.5-1 and qpdf 7.0.0-1 [14:29] thanks seb128 :) [14:30] jbicha synced the new qpdf [14:30] jbicha, ^ did you screw up cups-filter by doing that? ;-) [14:30] what was the rational for the update? [14:30] seb128, jibel, these should work together assuming that the soname did not increase from 7.0~b1 -> 7.0.0 of libqpdf. [14:31] I can try to downgrade qpdf [14:31] tkamppeter, seems it didn't [14:31] oh, wait [14:31] no, ignore that [14:32] tkamppeter, how/where would an incompatibility show? [14:32] tkamppeter, is your artful uptodate? does it work for you? [14:32] If not, cups-filters needs to get no-change-rebuilt, or I simply upload my yesterday-released 1.17.7 with some extra fixes. [14:32] seb128, ldd /usr/lib/cups/filter/pdftopdf [14:33] seb128, jibel, I will prepare the 1.17.7 upload now ... [14:34] tkamppeter, the soname didn't change, are you sure a rebuild is going to fix it? [14:35] tkamppeter, I downgraded qpdf to 7.0~b1-0ubuntu1, printed to a pdf and it's fine (read not a blank page) [14:35] oh [14:35] $ /usr/lib/cups/filter/pdftopdf [14:35] /usr/lib/cups/filter/pdftopdf: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libqpdf.so.18: version `LIBQPDF_18' not found (required by /usr/lib/cups/filter/pdftopdf) [14:36] so yeah, seems the issue [14:36] jbicha worth knowing to test cups before updating qpdf next time! [14:36] jibel, did you report a bug about the issue? [14:36] tkamppeter, thanks for fixing it [14:36] bug 1718215 [14:37] tkamppeter, ^ [14:37] bug 1718215 in qpdf (Ubuntu) "Documents are sent to the printer do not print" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1718215 [14:37] thanks [14:37] poor title :) [14:39] Jay Berkenbilt (QPDF upstream) reads LP bugs, but perhaps also good if you could also report on qpdf/qpdf on GitHub (upstream home). [14:39] jibel, seb128: ^^ [14:40] tkamppeter, well, you said that cups-filter just needs a rebuild so nothing to report against qpdf? [14:41] seb128, jibel, I will upload cups-filters 1.17.7 anyway, to "mark it in" for beta freeze (note that I will travel tomorrow, followed by two days of touristing). [14:41] thanks tkamppeter [14:41] tkamppeter, thanks [14:42] seb128, I am not sure, as pdftopdf passed ldd but fails when starting it. This looks like a QPDF bug for me, so please continue reporting it. No-change rebuilt usually is done on a soname change. [14:44] ah [14:44] $ nm -D /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libqpdf.so.18 | grep LIBQ [14:44] 0000000000000000 A LIBQPDF_19 [14:44] http://launchpadlibrarian.net/337302409/qpdf_7.0~b1-3_7.0.0-1.diff.gz has [14:44] # LT = libtool [14:44] -LT_CURRENT=18 [14:44] +LT_CURRENT=19 [14:44] +LT_AGE=1 [14:44] -LT_AGE=0 [14:44] so soname didn't change [14:44] but the symbol changed [14:45] $ ldd /usr/lib/cups/filter/pdftopdf [14:46] /usr/lib/cups/filter/pdftopdf: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libqpdf.so.18: version `LIBQPDF_18' not found (required by /usr/lib/cups/filter/pdftopdf) [14:47] libqpdf.map.in:LIBQPDF_@LT_CURRENT@ { [14:49] so yeah, I don't know if qpdf is handling things weirdly, it feels like that symbol should match the soname [14:50] not the ltcurrent [14:59] jibel, seb128, no downgrade of QPDF needed. I have rebuilt cups-filters now and this way it works with QPDF. Will upload cups-filters 1.17.7 in the next hour or so. [14:59] tkamppeter, thanks, still the symbols you depends on shouldn't go away like that no? [15:01] tkamppeter, thanks that's fine, it was just to confirm the version mismatch was to blame. [15:21] hum, ostree has been removed from s390 but not flatpak, and so, gnome software is FTBFS [15:29] Laney: do you know why you have gnome-software-plugin-flatpak installing the ostree plugin as of rev.86 this wasn't done in Debian? [15:30] k, it's meeting time [15:30] #startmeeting Desktop Team 2017-09-19 [15:30] Meeting started Tue Sep 19 15:30:19 2017 UTC. The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [15:30] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/0T55ivzN/ubuntu-desktop-17-10-cycle | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | pink killer → lots of help | Desktop Team 2017-09-19 Meeting | Current topic: [15:30] Roll call: andyrock, dgadomski, didrocks, duflu (out), jbicha, jamesh (out), jibel/heber (out), kenvandine (out), laney, oSoMoN, seb128, tkamppeter(out), trevinho, robert_ancell (out) [15:30] hey [15:30] hello guys! [15:30] o/ [15:30] o/ [15:30] jbicha: no, why does it matter? [15:30] o/ [15:31] o/ [15:31] it probably doesn't matter except we should probably do the same thing there on Debian and Ubuntu [15:31] k, let's get started [15:31] jbicha, Laney, topic for another channel or post meeting? === seb128 changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: andyrock [15:31] andyrock, hey [15:32] ok [15:32] hey [15:32] # Implementing progress-bar in ubuntu-dock [15:32] # Ported the lockcreen-missing-entry from xenial to artful [15:32] # Writing a fix to workaround bug 1532508 [15:32] bug 1532508 in GNOME Shell "Screen shown briefly after opening closed laptop lid, before even unlocking" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1532508 [15:32] # eow [15:33] andyrock, did you see they had patches up for review upstream for that lockscreen/gnome-shell issue? [15:33] yep, basically it's the same idea [15:33] k, but better than what they did? ;-) [15:33] easier [15:33] anyway, I just wanted to point it out in case you didn't see their version [15:33] thanks andyrock! [15:33] yw! === seb128 changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: dgadomski [15:34] dgadomski, hey [15:34] hey [15:34] * prepared a set of benchmarks for bug #1638695 with various build-time options, will prepare some more [15:34] * proposed a patch for #1699179 after testing (waiting for review) [15:34] bug 1638695 in python2.7 (Ubuntu Xenial) "Python 2.7.12 performance regression" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1638695 [15:34] seb128, jibel: cups-filters 1.17.7 uploaded. [15:34] eof [15:34] tkamppeter, thanks [15:34] dgadomski, thanks [15:34] shrug [15:35] I screwed up bot commands (somebody could have told me!) === seb128 changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/0T55ivzN/ubuntu-desktop-17-10-cycle | Desktop Team 2017-09-19 Meeting | Current topic: [15:35] #topic didrocks === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/0T55ivzN/ubuntu-desktop-17-10-cycle | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | pink killer → lots of help | Desktop Team 2017-09-19 Meeting | Current topic: didrocks [15:35] didrocks, hey [15:35] hey [15:35] * Final touch to GDM with adding ubuntu logo to login screen [15:35] * Change alt-tab behavior by advanced alt-tab in G-S + blog post (https://didrocks.fr/2017/09/14/ubuntu-gnome-shell-in-artful-day-12/). Continuing the discussion in the upstream bug report. [15:35] * glib2.0 merge [15:35] * Review whoopsie integration patch for g-c-c and sponsored. [15:35] * update mutter/G-S/G-S-E to 3.26 [15:35] * Shuffle some keybindings in the dock to be more consitent both with keyboard shortcut or keyboard + mouse [15:35] * Work with Dash to Dock upstream in testing and advice them on dynamic transparency. FFe/UIFe for Ubuntu dock. Upload + blog post planned tomorrow morning. [15:35] . [15:36] thanks didrocks [15:36] nice work as usual, I like the ubuntu logo on the login screen ;-) [15:36] yeah, it's less empty ;) (and thanks!) [15:36] k, next one [15:36] #topic duflu === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/0T55ivzN/ubuntu-desktop-17-10-cycle | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | pink killer → lots of help | Desktop Team 2017-09-19 Meeting | Current topic: duflu [15:36] * Performance: [15:36] - TLDR: Still jumping between CPU fixes and smoothness fixes which are interacting with each other... [15:36] - Prototyped and proposed the first fixes for GTK stuttering: [15:36] . https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=787665 [15:36] - The stutter bugs are blocking the CPU-halving fix to clutter-gtk/totem, which exaggerates the issues. [15:36] Gnome bug 787665 in .General "gdk_frame_clock_get_frame_time is irregular and causing stuttering" [Normal,New] [15:36] - Unfortunately this has revealed a new problem with the design of clutter's GDK backend -- If you modify it to perform efficiently per the design of wl_subsurface then it no longer gets accurate monitor timing info. It works OK (guessing 60Hz instead of 59.95Hz) but is not ideal, and does constitute a new regression that would occur as a result of fixing the high CPU problem. This is actually a design bug in clutter [15:36] (gdk<->clutter clock linking) more than anything else, so is difficult to fix and a difficult conversation with upstream for later. [15:37] - I will certainly still be working on this in New York next week. [15:37] * Daily bug management across gnome-shell, mutter, gdm, ubuntu-themes, bluez, pulseaudio, dkms and mir. [15:37] * Travel planning and preparation. My flight departs about the same time as this meeting. I am now traveling and on vacation briefly. Catch you next week... [15:37] #topic jbicha === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/0T55ivzN/ubuntu-desktop-17-10-cycle | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | pink killer → lots of help | Desktop Team 2017-09-19 Meeting | Current topic: jbicha [15:37] jbicha, hey [15:37] • Packaged most of GNOME 3.26 [15:37] • Added gnome-language-selector button to gnome-control-center as workaround for LP: #1631750 [15:37] Launchpad bug 1631750 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "Language installation doesn't work in Ubuntu GNOME 16.10 Settings app" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1631750 [15:37] • Filed LP: #1717946 and LP: #1717951 [15:37] Launchpad bug 1717946 in ubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "UIFe: Drop xterm and xdiagnose from default install" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1717946 [15:37] Launchpad bug 1717951 in imagemagick (Ubuntu) "UIFe: Drop imagemagick-display from the default install" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1717951 [15:38] • Filed MIRs for 2 LibreOffice deps LP: #1717926 LP: #1717930 [15:38] Launchpad bug 1717926 in libzmf (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libzmf" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1717926 [15:38] Launchpad bug 1717930 in libstaroffice (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libstaroffice" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1717930 [15:38] • Working with tkamppeter on system-config-printer presence in 17.10 LP: #1718083 [15:38] Launchpad bug 1718083 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "UIFe: Add Additional Printer Settings button" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1718083 [15:38] eof [15:38] nice work jbicha on 3.26 + various patches :) [15:38] thanks jbicha, lot of good work there [15:39] jbicha, do you plan to handle the extra printing button to g-c-c? (just asking, if you don't I'm going to have a look) [15:39] seb128: feel free to work on that [15:39] k [15:39] thanks jbicha [15:39] seb128: if you want, I can handle that tomorrow [15:39] (the extra button) [15:39] + the string change on placement [15:39] didrocks, if you want to do it feel free [15:40] will do thus [15:40] thanks! [15:40] ok, next [15:40] #topic jibel/heber === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/0T55ivzN/ubuntu-desktop-17-10-cycle | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | pink killer → lots of help | Desktop Team 2017-09-19 Meeting | Current topic: jibel/heber [15:40] jibel, heber, hey [15:40] Hey! QA updates: [15:40] * Triaged printing bug (qpdf / cups-filter version do not match) [15:40] * Analyze testflinger provisioning failures for Artful [15:40] * Propose new KPIs for ubuntu desktop [15:40] * Analyze/Fix ust broken tests [15:40] * Define and test auto-upgrade jobs timeout [15:40] EOF [15:41] heber, do you sync up with jibel for summaries? [15:41] he sent one by email which overlap with yours but is slightly different [15:41] I'm going to copy it anyway but would be nice if you had one version in the futur [15:41] seb128, we fill one doc, but it might be out of sync as well [15:41] - KPI: errors.u.c: http://platform-qa-dashboard.canonical.com/dashboard/db/ubuntu-desktop-kpi [15:41] - New indicators: [15:41] - Delay to publish from proposed to the release pocket. [15:41] - Number of packages of the desktop package set published daily [15:41] - Percentage of packages with a distro patch published daily. [15:41] - SRU verification of update-manager [15:41] - Weekly verification of upgrade from Z to A [15:41] - Tested new gdm (session selection bug) [15:41] - Triaged console-setup bug (ctrl+c terminates the session) [15:42] thanks heber [15:42] #topic kenvandine === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/0T55ivzN/ubuntu-desktop-17-10-cycle | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | pink killer → lots of help | Desktop Team 2017-09-19 Meeting | Current topic: kenvandine [15:42] * Created a gnome-3-26 PPA for 3.26 backports to xenial [15:42] * Created new gnome-3-26-1604 platform snap (naming to match forum discussion for auto-connection) [15:42] * Started building 3.26 versions of existing gnome snaps [15:42] * Working on fixing an issue popey reported against snapcraft-desktop-helpers which causes apps that use various APIs like get_user_special_dir to get paths fail. [15:42] #topic Laney === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/0T55ivzN/ubuntu-desktop-17-10-cycle | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | pink killer → lots of help | Desktop Team 2017-09-19 Meeting | Current topic: Laney [15:42] Laney, hey [15:42] * popey hugs seb128 [15:42] hi [15:43] feel like I forgot a lot of stuff in this but my notebook is downstairs [15:43] /o\ [15:43] • autopkgtest: [15:43] ∘ worked on bringing lgw01 back up after the re-deploy [15:43] ∘ learned some lessons from that when looking at bos02 (arm64/s390x cloud) [15:43] ‣ played with that to see what was working [15:43] ‣ filed a few tickets to get missing stuff fixed [15:43] ∘ holding the hand of armhf workers [15:43] • uploaded the new wallpapers [15:43] • tracked down another console-setup / tty keyboard mode bug [15:43] • Add DESKTOP_SESSION parameterised directory to XDG_DATA_DIRS under wayland too [15:43] • triaged trello cards & stuff for 18.04 prep [15:43] • reviewed quite a few freeze exceptions [15:43] 🃏 [15:43] popey, that was the summary for ken if the hug has to do with the work listed :-) [15:44] kenvandine does the work, and seb128 gets the hugs [15:44] He's had far too many hugs recently. You deserve one too :) [15:44] thanks :-) [15:44] oSoMoN, that's what managers are for :p [15:44] #topic oSoMoN === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/0T55ivzN/ubuntu-desktop-17-10-cycle | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | pink killer → lots of help | Desktop Team 2017-09-19 Meeting | Current topic: oSoMoN [15:44] hey [15:45] • chromium 61.0.3163.79 ready for publication [15:45] • chromium beta updated to 62.0.3202.18 and dev updated to 63.0.3213.3 for all series except trusty [15:45] • libreoffice 5.4.1-0ubuntu1 now in artful, thanks Seb [15:45] • working around bug #1714520 in libreoffice snap by disabling wayland support in desktop helper for now, will get to the bottom of this next week in NYC [15:45] bug 1714520 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "[snap] libreoffice 5.4.x snap crashes at startup on wayland" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1714520 [15:45] • fixed bug #1703813 and bug #1713742 in libreoffice snap [15:45] bug 1703813 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "[snap] missing removable-media plug" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1703813 [15:45] bug 1713742 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "[snap] libreoffice 5.4.0 snap has incorrect file permissions for some files installed by stage packages" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1713742 [15:45] • got affected by bug #1710637 and found out that snapd is causing the issue (thanks Laney!) [15:45] bug 1710637 in Snappy "Input falls through to gdm3 and terminates the session on Ctrl+C after udevadm trigger is executed under wayland" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1710637 [15:45] • filed bug #1718026 and got a good surprise, it's already fixed in the upcoming snapd 2.28 [15:45] bug 1718026 in snapd (Ubuntu) "Applications from installed snaps don't appear in activities overview" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1718026 [15:45] • looking into issues with firefox snap [15:45] • preparing topics for conversations next week [15:45] 🗽 [15:46] oSoMoN, thanks! [15:46] #topic seb128 === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/0T55ivzN/ubuntu-desktop-17-10-cycle | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | pink killer → lots of help | Desktop Team 2017-09-19 Meeting | Current topic: seb128 [15:46] - not a lot of work done this week since I had 3 days off (some carry over item from previous week listed as well due to that) [15:46] - created new g-c-c panel for the ubuntu session settings [15:46] - update-notifier wayland fixes [15:46] - updated unity universe composent to be translatables on launchpad (indicator-appmenu, indicator-messages, indicator-printers, indicator-bluetooth, indicator-sound) [15:46] - trello board reviews [15:46] - triaged recent launchpad bugs [15:46] - reported some issues upstream, debugged some on the way [15:46] [15:47] #topic tkamppeter === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/0T55ivzN/ubuntu-desktop-17-10-cycle | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | pink killer → lots of help | Desktop Team 2017-09-19 Meeting | Current topic: tkamppeter [15:47] - cups-filters: Got a lot of patches for Braille embossing [15:47] - avahi: Found a volunteer for working on the localhost support for IPP-over-USB! It is Rithvik Patibandla, one of the students who worked in this year's GSoC on the new Qt print dialog. [15:47] - LibreOffice: The improvements on the print dialog in LibreOffice to support common print dialog backends to always support the current print technologies, the GSoC-2017 project of Yash Srivastav, was accepted by LibreOffice upstream. [15:47] - cups: Packaged 2.2.4-7 with fixes for an every-second wake-up of the CUPS daemon and for the print quality option in print queues for driverless printers. [15:47] - Preparations for the trip to NYC. [15:47] - Bugs. [15:48] In addition: Uploaded cups-filters 1.17.7 to get more braille fixes in and to trigger a package build to fit QPDF 7.0.0. [15:48] thanks tkamppeter, have a nice trip and enjoy NY during the few days you are spending there before the rally [15:48] seb128, thanks. [15:48] seb128, a question: How do I reserve a slot for a lightning talk on Wed or Thu? [15:49] seb128, About driverless printing. [15:49] tkamppeter, I don't know but I'm going to ask and get you one [15:49] but I expect people are going to be able to add themselve to the list next week [15:49] thanks tkamppeter [15:49] tkamppeter, there's a tab on the rally spreadsheet where you can add yourself [15:49] seb128, thanks. Please not on Fri, as I want to present a demo and last year I was in the last slot and they have taken the network down. [15:50] tkamppeter, noted [15:50] oSoMoN, oh, good to know! [15:50] oSoMoN, thanks, I did not know that I can simply write there. [15:50] ok, let's see if Marco is still with us of if you didn't resist to the pool attraction [15:50] #topic Trevinho === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/0T55ivzN/ubuntu-desktop-17-10-cycle | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | pink killer → lots of help | Desktop Team 2017-09-19 Meeting | Current topic: Trevinho [15:50] oh yes.. [15:50] Trevinho, hey [15:50] :-) [15:51] · Continued some mutter fixes [15:51] · Redone the .destructive-action buttons style in themes [15:51] · Done landing of theme fixes [15:51] · Fixed .vertical .linked buttons style, rotating gradients and supporting middle-buttons [15:51] · Refactored the cmake file for testing in unity7, splitting them all to avoid false-positive failures [15:51] · Fixed a Float comparison not working in arm64, still checking ppc64 issues [15:51] - EOF [15:51] he's trolling me right? [15:51] lol [15:51] yes >/D [15:52] :-p [15:52] No, my keyboard layout changed.... [15:52] no worry [15:52] thanks Trevinho! [15:52] did you manage to get unblocked on the unity7 build issues? [15:52] or still needing access to some porter box with a specific env? [15:53] seb128, oSoMoN: Thanks, I have entered myself now. [15:53] seb128: the only issue I've now is witha ppc64 test issue [15:53] which... I'm looking into, but testing isn't easy having no a porter [15:53] I might just disable tests there [15:54] yeah, feel free [15:54] I don't think we care much about unity7 on ppc64 [15:54] Agree... [15:54] I just don't like failures, as sometimes they are just pointing out that something is wrong [15:55] just not happening in ther archs because of timing or other rasons [15:55] reasons* [15:55] right, would still be good to debug if we can [15:55] but probably lower priority than other work/bugs atm [15:55] anyway [15:55] thanks Trevinho [15:55] yep... just wanted to get rid of this [15:56] #topic robert_ancell === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/0T55ivzN/ubuntu-desktop-17-10-cycle | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | pink killer → lots of help | Desktop Team 2017-09-19 Meeting | Current topic: robert_ancell [15:56] - Released GNOME Software 3.26.0 to artful [15:56] - Chasing up SRUs [15:56] - Diagnosing GNOME Software stability / performance issues in artful [15:56] - Backported auth dialog changes to GNOME Software 3.20 (Xenial) [15:56] - Diagnosed why snaps take up more space in GNOME Software search results - turns out to be carriage returns coming from the Snap store. [15:56] as andyrock has to land some big fixes to unity7, which will have to go to a, in order to be SRUed too [15:56] - Updated versions page to track current package state [15:56] #topic aob === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/0T55ivzN/ubuntu-desktop-17-10-cycle | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | pink killer → lots of help | Desktop Team 2017-09-19 Meeting | Current topic: aob [15:56] Trevinho, right [15:56] so, anything else to discuss? [15:57] not from me this week :) [15:58] oh, I'll probably start working on the Artful Release Notes this week since the Beta is coming up soon [15:58] that will be great! I think you might want to talk with kenvandine as well as GNOME is publishing some transitional documentation [15:58] ok [15:58] so we can reference/pick some work done there [16:00] jbicha, we should probably give an hand there, thanks for pointing out [16:00] I'm going to add it to the rally agenda [16:00] thanks jbicha [16:00] so I guess it's a wrap [16:00] NO [16:00] yes, it's a team effort for the release notes :) [16:00] Laney, no? [16:01] we should look at [16:01] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-aa-incoming-bug-tasks.html [16:01] ah, yes [16:01] we should probably tag things as well [16:01] that list is short compared to the things we need to fix [16:02] can we freely tag what we put on the list? /me can do with the important bugs I have in mind tomorrow [16:02] sure, but things already on there need to be triaged and assigned [16:02] the idea is that you nominate them or tag rls-aa-notfixing [16:02] right [16:02] so we should add that tag to bugs that look important to fix before release? [16:02] then they go to http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-aa-tracking-bug-tasks.html and get fixed ... [16:02] thanks for pointing that out Laney [16:02] yes [16:03] or we can nominate a bug to artful directly if we have permissions, right? [16:03] it should still be tagged to be listed? [16:04] i think the nomination alone is enough [16:04] ok [16:04] that was a good reminder [16:04] but jbicha shouldn't really be assigning work to the desktop team so the incoming procedure is appropriate [16:04] thanks Laney! [16:04] indeed [16:04] um it wasn't meant to be a reminder [16:04] or... if itis to be used as one [16:04] ok [16:04] when do we go triage the list? [16:05] Laney, sounds like a topic for next monday as we review trello boards/plans/etc? [16:05] or would you prefer to do it before that? [16:05] i don't think we have so many work days left this cycle [16:05] right, which is a bit of a shame [16:05] I'm going to have a first pass on the list/tag some bugs tomorrow [16:06] Laney, do you think we should have a collective review, or maybe just go through, assign/close the ones that are obvious and bring on the channel for the others? [16:06] I think everything should get assigned to someone and then we should look at incoming / tracking each meeting [16:07] +1 [16:07] not sure [16:07] some can probably be cleaned off straight away [16:07] k [16:07] like I don't know why bdmurray tagged http://launchpad.net/bugs/500175 [16:07] Ubuntu bug 500175 in software-center (Ubuntu) "Canceling an installation in Software Center crashes debconf with "Use of uninitialized value $reply in scalar chomp at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/FrontEnd/Passthrough.pm line 66,"" [Medium,Confirmed] [16:08] right [16:08] so yeah if you like feel free to dish them out [16:08] Laney, I need to wrap after the meeting but let's try to have an hangout with willcooke tomorrow morning? [16:08] review the list/assign [16:08] and then from now on we try to keep with it and do regular reviews [16:09] if people want to assign themself to some of those bugs, please do [16:09] can do, although I prefer it to be first thing so I can go to the library ;-) [16:09] alright [16:09] so people can expect to have some of these bugs assigned [16:09] please try to work on them if that happens [16:10] +1 [16:10] and yeah, first thing would be good for me as well [16:10] ok, let's wrap on that note [16:10] thanks everyone! [16:10] and come to the team if you have issues rather than being stuck/blocked for days [16:10] :-) [16:10] thanks [16:10] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/0T55ivzN/ubuntu-desktop-17-10-cycle | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | pink killer → lots of help [16:10] Meeting ended Tue Sep 19 16:10:37 2017 UTC. [16:10] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2017/ubuntu-desktop.2017-09-19-15.30.moin.txt [16:10] on that note I'm away for a bit, going to deal with backlog before wrapping a bit later [16:11] have a nice evening desktopers [16:17] on a high brow note: this orange is (1) slimy (2) super citrussy [16:17] * Laney gets sticky and then dies of facial inversion [16:17] lol === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [16:37] can I expect artful to soon pick up the new release of `hicolor-icon-theme`? it only has 1 change, improved hidpi support [16:39] it landed in sid earlier this month [16:43] codygarver: that update is blocked because it appears to make this test fail: http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/p/plasma-framework/artful/amd64 [16:45] thanks! if I'm reading this right, this failure is some warning `cc1: warning: command line option ‘-std=c++11’ is valid for C++/ObjC++ but not for C` [16:46] wonder why [16:47] oh wait no, it's `dialognativetest` in the log from the artifacts [17:05] night fam [17:16] jbicha, did you see my last e-mails? [17:20] tkamppeter: the one recommending I install cups-pdf? [17:29] Laney, please find an asignee to complete this - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/artful/+source/unity-scopes-api/+bug/1718254 [17:29] Ubuntu bug 1718254 in unity-scopes-api (Ubuntu Artful) "please drop url-dispatcher dependencies" [Critical,New] [17:36] GunnarHj: hi, these language seed changes (in general) are difficult for me to understand [17:36] https://code.launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu.artful_cjkv-fixes/+merge/329857 [17:36] are you planning to do a language-selector upload to match that? ^ [17:38] I thought the general thinking is that for select languages including zh we would provide everything that l-s would install for that language [17:39] but zh still has fcitx [17:40] *we would provide on the live iso [18:19] jbicha: Sorry, unreliable internet connection - back now [18:22] night all [18:49] Trevinho, is there a bug for the "close documents" "x" in libreoffice [18:50] that is not themed and looks buggy [19:10] jbicha: Hmm.. I see now that my reply didn't make it before I was disconnected. Trying again: [19:10] Important to keep in mind that pkg_depends in language-selector is used by the flavors too, and AFAIK they haven't switched from Fcitx to IBus for CJKV. So to not break things, language-selector needs to pull both Fcitx and IBus, which it currently does, so I see no need to change anything there. This is obviously a clumsy solution for CJKV users on Ubuntu (Fcitx packages are installed unnecessarily), but that's the way I think [19:10] we must go ATM. [19:11] GunnarHj: could you ask didrocks about that issue? maybe just email the ubuntu-desktop list [19:13] Ampelbein: yes, also a proposed fix from c-lobrano, the problem is that LO doesn't allow to filter windows properly in order to have a css selector that is unique for it [19:13] jbicha: How about adding him as a reviewer on the MP and add the above comment. [19:14] that works too. I believe he was one of the drivers for shipping complete language support on the ISOs [19:15] Ampelbein: sorry I wanted to reply to amano [19:17] amano, which LO version are you using? [19:17] jbicha: Right, but aren't you mixing up two different things now? AFAIK that was about language support for the biggest languages. The issue at hand is IM packages for all CJKV languages. [19:20] jbicha: In a sense they are related, since Simplified Chinese is included in both groups. But the MP suggests that the IBus packages are seeded in the desktop file. [19:20] it used to be that language-selector would show a popup asking you to install additional stuff for full language support and I think the idea is not show that prompt even when the user installs without internet access for the few langs we support [19:21] but there's probably a good argument to not have fonts-noto-cjk-extra on the iso because of its size and maybe fcitx now too [19:21] but I'm not the one that needs to be convinced here ;) [19:22] jbicha: Agreed. Ok, now I think I understand your point. To comply with that idea, we'd need to keep the Fcitx packages in desktop. [19:22] sorry, that you've found several complicated issues this cycle :| but I appreciate you working on it and pinging about it :) [19:23] jbicha: Aha, yes, I took for granted that we should tread fonts-noto-cjk-extra specially. [19:24] jbicha: It's the kind of stuff I'm usually involved in. ;) [19:26] jbicha: But I tend to think that, in order to prevent the "missing lang support" pop-up from showing up for Simplified Chinese installs, we should *not* move the Fcitx packages from desktop to supported, but keep them in desktop. [19:27] jbicha: Or rather "live"... [19:27] it doesn't make sense to keep fcitx if it can't be used though [19:27] yes if that's what we want [19:29] seb128, jbicha: The problem is that pkg_depends is used by the flavors too, which keep Fcitx as default IM framework for CJKV. [19:29] GunnarHj: shouldn't you conditionalize fcitx in pkg/data_depends then to only be installed for those desktops? [19:30] like how the calligra translations are installed if the calligra library is already installed [19:30] jbicha: The mechanism implemented to conditionalize in pkg_depends is to state a package. Is there a common denominator for all flavors but vanilla Ubuntu? [19:32] jbicha: Maybe I could add a hack to the python program which parses it... [19:34] you can't repeat a line? using something like caja-common, kdelibs5-data, etc. for all the different flavors? [19:34] jbicha: Don't think so, but need to look at the code to be sure. [19:37] if that all works, there may not be any reason to keeping fcitx in supported either at this time [19:37] seb128, jbicha: Is it really true that Fcitx can't be used at all? I think we have reasons to assume that many CJKV users, who have started to use Fcitx, want to keep doing so, even if g-c-c doesn't support it. [19:38] GunnarHj, afaik fcitx currently doesn't work under wayland which is our default session [19:38] also there is no gnome-shell integration [19:39] seb128: I know that was the case. Still not fixed? [19:39] so I think universe is appropriate: we're not saying they can't install it if they want [19:39] not that I know [19:39] our fcitx packages haven't been updated this cycle [19:40] https://fcitx-im.org/wiki/Todo-List still has it as in progress [19:40] seb128, jbicha: Ok, I'll look at a way to make l-s not pull Fcitx in Ubuntu. [19:41] seb128, jbicha: Where is Aron nowadays? [19:41] he's on this channel [19:42] I think he's working on kylin but I'm not sure [19:42] happyaron: Any thoughts on ^ ? [19:42] he prepared UKUI packages for Debian recently [20:09] jbicha, still there? [20:22] yes [20:27] jbicha, I mean the e-mail where I have asked you for you to do the patch, as once I did never do any change on any GNOME program, and second, the extra button does not more than simply launch s-c-p in its own window, for testing this no printer is required. [20:28] jbicha, the hint with installing cups-pdf is mainly for taking a screenshot with a non-empty printer list. [20:28] tkamppeter: at today's Desktop meeting, didrocks volunteered to work on that patch tomorrow [20:29] jbicha, great, thanks for the info. [20:29] unless you got to it sooner ;) [20:30] No, I am not working on this, didrock is probably much, much faster with it as he is working on GNOME apps every day. [20:30] it sounds like it could be a good opportunity for you to expand your skills? [20:31] But now there is not much time for me as I am departing for NYC tomorrow afternoon and next week we have the Sprint. [20:31] the Printer panel in our default desktop sounds like something that is related to your field of expertise ;) [20:31] ok [20:33] jbicha, only that I have contributed to s-c-p which is in Python and there I also have only done the algorithms for printing-related decision making, not the GUI. [20:35] jbicha, such things as finding out whether printers discovered by different CUPS backends are actually the same physical device or which driver is the best for a given printer. [20:36] jbicha, these parts are even re-used g-c-c as it uses s-c-p's D-Bus service. [20:37] yes, part of s-c-p lives on, but the gui part isn't used by default in most of the big distros now [20:54] OK, so the GUI which needs to be maintained principally is the one of g-c-c and the one of s-c-p could be faded out sooner or later? [20:56] jbicha, perhaps I should run a GSoC project in 2018 which turns s-c-p's D-Bus service into a C library and another which adds all functionality missing in the g-c-c GUI but present in s-c-p? WDYT? [20:58] jbicha, the lib would be GUI-toolkit-independent and hosted at OpenPrinting and all desktops (GNOME/GTK, KDE/Qt, ...) would use this lib. [21:27] I think the hope is that the s-c-p button we're adding be a temporary workaround that we'd try to not need for 18.04 LTS [21:27] GSOC 2018 would be too late for that goal [21:28] the tricky part about "adding all functioinality missing" is that we need to work with the GNOME designers who maybe don't want all those settings there [21:36] OK. [21:36] jbicha, so my idea is more some long-term idea. [23:36] tkamppeter: cups-filter is blocked on cups autopkgtest http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/c/cups/artful/amd64