[00:25] <ubports_bot> Project daily-hammerhead build #327: SUCCESS in 11 min: http://ci.ubports.com/job/daily-hammerhead/327/
 Good job, bot.
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 @UniversalSuperBox, Good job, Dalton.
 @mariogrip, Hey, read the message 9 messages up from here
 @UniversalSuperBox, browser pushed to devel, not to rc yet.
 what
 anyone with nexus 7 or nexus 4 in here that can help me do some testing?
 cough @wayneoutthere
 yeah!
 i'lm like YOUR MAN man
 Now kith @mariogrip
 hit me.  hit me hard
 my phone is liek messed up hoooped bug master
 so anything should help it
 oh! if you give me a second and i'll push a new something to devel
 awesome cakes
 so then I re-flasth it/
 ?
 if you are on devel, a update would be fine
 i'm on rc
 N4
 As soon as ubports_bot says ota_push is don... yeah, you'll have to reflash
 ok cool
 @UniversalSuperBox, jep!
 @wayneoutthere, does it have wifi?
 yep
 jep*
 then channel switch
 @mariogrip, i mean jep
 how?
 still reflash right?
 settings -> update -> Uodate settings -> Channels -> select development
 thx
 But wait
 until after ubports_bot tells us the goods
 @UniversalSuperBox, it's fine if he switches before, he just need to update again when the bot tell him to do so
 i wont'
 but  my update settings aren't where you say
 unless on updates screen there is a secret finger swipe I have to do to make it go to update settings
 i gave it the middle finger and it didn't help..
 are you on the latest rc?
 i think... i did it from the ubports site with that sudo code
 ok, then we need to do a manuall flash if thats fine
 sudo ubuntu-device-flash —server=http://system-image.ubports.com touch —device=mako \ … —channel=15.04/devel —bootstrap
 that's what I did but i did 'rc'
 ok i'll find my usb
 'oh usb! usb! wherefore art thou??'
 green robot on operating table.  Chest is open.  Awaiting command SIR!
 terminal open! … sudo scalpel in hand!
 make me proud Gripsgarden!
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 gogogogo :D
 yaaaaahoooo@!!@!!!!
 wait!
 what channel?
 devel
 that sounds... scary. but ok
 ok. where are my horse race soudns??
 anything @wayneoutthere ?
 i was doing bookkeeping.. but something pink is showing up
 setup screen
 ohoho
 merry christmas?
 soon tm
 -_-
 cool. ok im in
 tell me what you want me to do.
 browesr with ball earth.
 neat
 @wayneoutthere, test it all
 ok thanks
 try the things that was broken before
 ok then, someone with a magic nexus 7? :D
 ok whre do you want bug reports
 github is best
[01:07] <tgBot10> Muyeezus was added by: Muyeezus
 here is some great news: video camera WORKING
 :)
 ok i'll try
 wait!
 the 'report a bug' thing is supposed to be right with the device on get-ubuntu-touch but it's not
 @UniversalSuperBox we need to fix this bug right away.  remmeber that screenshot I sent way back?
 What?
 i'll try to find....
 (Photo, 1171x960) https://irc.ubports.com/tFcl55g8/file_651.jpg
 that red circle is still missing and I"m left to go 'uhhhh... git hub... report bug... where..."
 Oh. Interesting.
 so while we are fixing that one for everyone... maybe someone knows where on git hub?
 github.com/ubports/ubports-touch
 @wayneoutthere, that is the old device page, this is the new one https://ubports.com/page/get-ubuntu-touch
 @mariogrip, He knows, silly
 https://ubports.com/page/get-ubuntu-touch
 that's where i'm pulling fro
 @UniversalSuperBox, thanks
 Also, if you have some downtime @mariogrip, I hear that devices.ubports.com needs to be gimped
 great! music player working on N4
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/Anc8UXDj/file_652.mp4
 the ringer works!!
 it's like... a phone!~
 now... what was the decision for where I should install telegram from?
 OpenStore
 open store.. ubn...thanks
 marius.  did you do all these bug fixes today??? haha  wow.  it's nearly working pefect
 telegram bugs seem gone now too
 i'm removing your #audiocast ban from 6 months back to 3
 @wayneoutthere, 3 month :P
 -s
 next test - Dekko 2!
 i love open store becuase you just simple start installing stuff
 we should make a skull and crossbones app and call it 'the bricker'
 naaaaah
 when someone bugs us here (like me) you can have tech support tell them to install the bricker
 but for real so far so good marius
 Very soon (tm) I'll have a oneplus one to play with... Any chance to have a good Ubports on it? How is at the moment?
 The camera and GPS work now!
 @deedend, Eveything works on that device :)
 Oh good!!
 @wayneoutthere, good to hear :)
 having issues making my IMAP emai work so I think i'm doiugn something wrong but the gmail email worked (so much irony) for the test
 Eventually! I was hoping to be able to try Ubuntu on phone since Canonical announced it in 2011
 @deedend, sweet! this will be a good week for yiou then
 you will never go back
 the N4 is acting MUCH quicker now.
 this behaviour that I sometimes see when the keyboard doesnt' pop up.. this is realted to system and multiple windows, right?  It seems to rsolve when i right swipe and scroll through other open apps and come back...
 @wayneoutthere, yeah, this is a known issue on all devices
 👍
 will start looking into that after ota2 is out
 le me doing million of things at the same time :D
 no prob just checking to make sure i don't file it for N4
 @wayneoutthere, 👍
 anyone now which of the github dekko things is the dekko 2 page?
 It's on gitlab, isn't it?
 dont know.  i had a small bug i was going to report before i forget but can't seem to find it..
 hey! cool. i didn't now nextcloud calendar still syncs with ubuntu touch calendar.  nice!
 i have my phone almost back to where canonical left it and better..
 ok i have to take off but amazing work, guys, thanks Marius.
 Any credibility of this news??? … http://www.techvillz.com/2017/09/gnome-partners-purism-to-build-librem-5-linux-smartphone.html?m=1
 @hawk_is_here, What's wrong with that?
 There is nothing wrong...
 But strange
 KDE have their own plasma project
 It's unfortunate that those jokers don't contact ubports...
 Maybe we should reach out to them
 @kz6fittycent, I think we should have tried
 They have a promising Capital inflow
 Let's see
 I'll do it...I ain't scared. Just need the permission and bullet points. @UniversalSuperBox
 @hawk_is_here, Yes but with a GNU/Linux base is possible to swap between more "desktop" manager, like on the desktop world, according to what Purism says
 @kz6fittycent, They said that they'd be willing to entertain our software on their phone in a tweet.
 https://twitter.com/Puri_sm/status/909488108281921537
 @kz6fittycent, gotta say i always agree with this
 Well, they contacted KDE. There's actually a business behind KDE
 whoever the N4 people are here, just wanted to say probably goold idea if you reflash to wahtever update @mariogrip did on the devel channel. Working *really * well compared to usual
 Purism is committed to creating all of the phone pieces that they need with GNOME and GTK, though. I think that'll delay the shipment. We'll just have to see.
 @UniversalSuperBox, I seriously don't understand this OS business...
 How do people earn money...
 I have no business trying to reason that out. :)
 @UniversalSuperBox, Hahahahaha... that was just a statement... not a question this time
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 @UniversalSuperBox, I reckon that is because of that that they have partnered with KDE, to bring plasma mobile (that is in a more advanced stage of development) on the Librem 5 and ship in time
 What I see on the plasma mobile website seems to be far behind from what Ubuntu touch and you guys have reached.
 so is plasma maybe fully FOSS but UT not?
 could that be the reason why they partnered with plasma and not us?
 @bastos777, Ubuntu Touch having failed their first chance really badly it seems logical to want to avoid association
 I'm sorry if this sounds harsh, but Canonical blew it, Ubuntu Touch was released way before it was useable at all
 So it ruined the public image of UT
[06:09] <tgBot10> <Milan Korecky> @thepeter, Hi Peter, try to use my translations, I do so with yours, it helps a lot. Just add Czech in Weblate settings
[06:14] <tgBot10> <Milan Korecky> (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/pMD0e8Wj/file_654.jpg
[06:15] <tgBot10> <Milan Korecky> Click on: Spravujte svoje jazyky
[06:15] <tgBot10> <Milan Korecky> (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/WPmH1LfD/file_656.jpg
[06:18] <tgBot10> <Milan Korecky> It will open the above window and add czech in Alternativní jazyky
 (Photo, 317x373) https://irc.ubports.com/zz9qrPpw/file_658.jpg :) do you mean like this? :D
 I got that, but it was just too much for yesterday night :)
[06:21] <tgBot10> <Milan Korecky> Yes, ok
 @thepeter, ...Wait, do I read that right, something is in the translation system that shouldn't be translated? Why the hell is it not marked as untranslatable :/
 youknow 759 phrases is too much to star at midnight with 😅 it will have to wait until this late evening again 😂
 @Lorxu, that is just translators life 😁 we just deal with  it this way
[06:25] <tgBot10> <Milan Korecky> Yes it is hard, my wife is constantly asking me what am I doing on phone 🙃
 @thepeter, Sure, but it means a dev messed up
 And knowingly messed up and did something stupid instead of, well, fixing it properly
 @Milan Korecky, I know exactly what you mean :) that's why I do it just from time to time, and was so happy to see everything was done before
[06:27] <tgBot10> <Milan Korecky> Some words, like the hotspot one, I keep them in English, it is better
 @Lorxu, it is too many words to request fix on ... so we just copy paste them and go for those which makes sense ... and maybe in other languages they translate it differently ...
[06:28] <tgBot10> <Milan Korecky> It happened to me also, with open store, thanks to you I realize I am not finished
 @Milan Korecky, yeah expecially the hotspot I was pointing out that the name itself should be changed - since it is tethering service and not hotspot (just btw 🤠)
[06:33] <tgBot10> <Milan Korecky> I agree, tethering would be better, maybe @Flohack could change IT in originál Englisch, I will change in Czech
 @Milan Korecky, yep he knows already, I've put it into OTA 3 requests 😀😃😄😁😁
 Has UBports Spanish support (translation)?
[06:36] <tgBot10> <Milan Korecky> If you find something else, just ping me pls.
 @Lorxu, Well, some languages may not use the anglicism and prefer to translate it. Especially if they don't use the Latin alphabet
 @Lorxu, you know, more messed up is that on not switched device i have all system-settings translated into my language, and in weblate there is version which didn't have even my language created, that is more serius issue to fix 🙃
 @patrix0, Yep: translate.ubports.com
[06:38] <tgBot10> <Milan Korecky> Sakra, I should look at weblate and check it also
 @neothethird, I'm talking about a string that would break things if translated because it's a key, that seemed to be the translator note.
 (Sticker, 314x512) https://irc.ubports.com/HP1qd0qQ/file_659.webp
 (Photo, 350x200) https://irc.ubports.com/9qYQC7ob/file_661.jpg GNOME Foundation Gives its Backing to Purism’s Linux Phone … https://goo.gl/vM9w2m
 @patrix0, Is GNOME present in UBports OS?
 @Milan Korecky, system settings you have clear, but maybe check other modules ...
 @Lorxu, oh, i'm sorry, didn't get that. Yes, that's bad behavior :D
 @patrix0, Nothing visible UI wise, like GNOME shell but some of their stuff is used in the lower levels
 @patrix0, what's their logic? first KDE, now GNOME ...
 Well they were always going to use GNOME just didn't ahve the foundation on board
 oh ...ok
 Morning. The convergence on mu oneplus one, is not working.... ?
 Mu is my...
 @thepeter, They have always said that they are open to every FLOSS project, KDE or Gnome or wathever, not only one... That's their logic I guess
[07:27] <tgBot10> <Stefan Kalb> @deedend, @mariogrip 'everything works' is maybe a little bit too optimistic 😅. At least flash light, automatic brightness and mtp are not working on r143. I'll file a few bug reports this evening. Just flashed yesterday from lineage as the main blocker for me (cam) is fixed. 👍
 Hello. I'm russian slowpoke
 ду ю спик рашен?
 @Darren Shipp, да )
 Велком )
 @reliable1, :)
 Да много тут русских - шифруются только
 Ничего себе
 @reliable1, I've red that before I think do I? :)
[07:39] <tgBot10> <Milan Korecky> @Flohack Hello, pls can you confirm: 1 Dekko, 2 OpenStore, 12 Core apps at Weblate for translation? Thanks.
 @Milan Korecky, oh ... I count 11 together with system-settings from ubports ... do doesn't sound good
 @Milan Korecky, I see the same
 (Photo, 382x594) https://irc.ubports.com/y9f0h40M/file_663.jpg okay... so which one I am missing then?
 ubports/ubports-app
 https://translate.ubports.com/projects/ubports/ubports-app/
[08:17] <tgBot10> <Milan Korecky> Yes ubports app is the one
[08:19] <tgBot10> <Milan Korecky> The hardest one for translating
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[08:26] <tgBot10> <Milan Korecky> Something that sound in English absolutely fine translated to Czech sounds little to much pathetic ☀️
[08:27] <tgBot10> <Milan Korecky> But why not
 Things usually sound bad in whatever language you translate to, Unfortunately.
 @Lorxu, How do you know that Hotspot is untranslatable? In some languages they might have a word for it. For example WiFi in German it is more common to use WLAN
 @Flohack, Because that seems to be the translator note in the screenshot...
 For as far as I can read it, which is why I explicitly say "Wait, do I read that right"
 @Flohack, WLAN isn't the actual word, is it? That sounds really uncomfortable to say lol.
 And translators seemed to have confirmed that, yes, I did read it right
 @Milan Korecky, I dont know. If you say so :)
 @Lorxu, Oh sorry yes i see now ;)
 @Schyken, We pronounce it like W€lan - e like in energy
 its very comfortable actually
 @Flohack, Ah! That's really interesting. Cool! :D
 Waylan
 @Lorxu, Waylaaaand? @wayneoutthere
 I'm still waiting until I can run Wayland on a Linux laptop. Drivers, ugh.
 It's still only my watch...
 "Personal hotspot" is what my wife's iPhone says. What do Apple use for their translation?
 @alan_griffiths, probably Wireless Fruits Network :P
 WFN
[08:39] <tgBot10> <Milan Korecky> We have to ask are wife's , we do not have. They are expensive family members
 @DanChapman Milan oh cool, I always liked challenges 😅but this I won't make up to saturday obviously 😃
[08:44] <tgBot10> <Milan Korecky> OK, my wife confirms personnel hotspot
[08:45] <tgBot10> <Milan Korecky> My daughter with android has tethering
 oh it's just 25 phrases ... 521 word ... well maybe ... will see
 @Milan Korecky, tethering is official name for technology AFAIK
 and slovak tech magazines (printed) uses that :)
[08:51] <tgBot10> <Milan Korecky> It looks like hot spot is when you want to connect and tethering when you want to share with somebody else your own data connection
[08:52] <tgBot10> <Milan Korecky> Hot spot is The place with wifi free
[08:53] <tgBot10> <Milan Korecky> Cafeteria , restaurant
 @Milan Korecky, I am checking it ... yeah it sound like the '80 to me (no offense please :) ) especially the ubports-app 😃
[08:54] <tgBot10> Maximilian Laule was added by: Maximilian Laule
 @Maximilian Laule, welcome
[08:55] <tgBot10> <Maximilian Laule> Thank you! 🙂
[09:00] <tgBot10> <Milan Korecky> @thepeter, My last  Weblate version was not yet updated to the app so follow only Weblate one, your feedback is welcome Peter
 @Flohack, Wahahaa
 Hi guys. … Anyone is experiencing isues with all webapps and webbrowser in RC R4? … I can't open any of these since tonight, when I upgraded to R4. I tried to reboot but it still happens.
 my device is E4.5
 @neothethird, I have an oneplus one, what can I do to help... With OTA2
 @j2g2rp this bug is reported for rc, seems to be fixed on devel branch
 Since I lost part of the conversation during the night, @wayneoutthere, can you tell me if the bad bugs about sound and network were fixed on mako?
 @j2g2rp, see https://github.com/ubports/ubports-touch/issues/247
 @lduboeuf, Thankyou Lionel, i didn't know if it was reported or not or it was a problem with my image.
 Hi all
 Can anyone tell me how to use ubports-installer? Because when I try to run the AppImage I get  … ```./ubports-installer-0.1.6-beta-x86_64.AppImage  … bash: ./ubports-installer-0.1.6-beta-x86_64.AppImage: cannot execute binary file: Exec format error```
 While when I try to build from source I don't know what to execute then
 Hello everyone, finally got a Nexus 5 :)
 @bhdouglass, Where is the translate link?
 I am trying to install Ubuntu but it says "recovery mode : NOT FOUND" but I am in the Ubports Recovery, is it normal (like a known bug ?)
[10:15] <tgBot10> AQLIVE was added by: AQLIVE
 @AQLIVE, welcome
 thanks a lot
 If I am not at the right place juste tell me :)
 It us the right place.
 usually you get quick response.
 have you tried to install with the magic device tool?
 or are you on windows and installing with the UBport ttool?
 both CPT and this one
 Ubuntu
 MDT has a separate telegram group
 Cool, where is it ?
 After installing MDT on your desktop and launched the..sh   .sh it should be announced.
 Got it, thanks
 tg://join?invite=AAAAAAiC4TTYHRddjUbpXg
 Thank you for everything. See you later for dev maybe :)
 Welcome and have as much fun with your UT device as i have since may as my daily driver.
 Thank you, I will probably contribute to the project as I am an IT student since years (almost done !)
 This would be great!
 @sorcier777, great! good luck, as well as with your studies! 🙂
 Thank you, I am in France bye the way.
 I am only a fighting for privacy as a precondition for democracy nerd and no developer.
 and it is 12:41 and still didn't eat
 (this explain maybe the "bye the way" mistake lol)
 so I try to support UT as much as I can, but development is the core contribution one can provide.
 I am German but currently in france too.
 What's a coincidence :)
 you have a really great country!
 Well, yes, but you don't know anything about it :)
 I see this 😍 :
 Especially now, if your disagree with the government, you shouldn't be to much activist because you will regret it.
 "Fight against terrorism" has finally destroyed a lot of our rights
 (Photo, 2560x1440) https://irc.ubports.com/nUpPbtGo/file_665.jpg
 But, yes, it is a beatifull country :)
 You're lucky to be there, here in East it is not the same weather :D
 Yes freedom against security.
 I am with franklin the former us president who said, if you give up freedom for security reasons you deserve none of both...
 Well, you know, if you plan to organise some sort of undesired action to protest against something, now, you can easily be raided (and not softly) and under house arrest for months.
 @wayneoutthere, Wow! he really did black magic! Now music and network is working properly! Thank you @mariogrip
 Even if you just distribute leaflets on the road.
 Well, it is absolutelly off topic, let's go back to UBports
 that is one of the reasons for me to promote and use promote gnu Linux, UT and matrix.org
 @Milan Korecky, Seems to work a bit better now
 Ok, going to dinner, bye :)
 @sorcier777, I've studied in France half a year while on Erasmus :) but yep keep up to the topic 😄😁
 It is not so much off topic. AFAIK there are mainly two reasons for people to be here. 1. -my main reason btw- privacy respecting free and full featured mobile os. 2. Convergence.
 Did really the government can force us to put a backdoors in our applications ?
 Our off topic chat is lightning out a little bit the first aspect.
 I mean, if I make a lossless compression program, is it considered as "encryption" ?
 @Milan Korecky, for the GPL licencing text have you tranlated it manually or was there available example? (cause we don't have approved GPL slovak licence )
 how much time does it take to backup  an OPO and install Ubuntu Touch on it?
 @thepeter, oh I'll just use the text from GIMP :D
 @mariogrip, I've a nexus7 (flo) here...
 Anyone has a Nexus 5 ? What should I do when I see the wite Google logo and the litle opened panlock ?
 Ok seems to be waiting an no more :D
 reads to me like it's tryoing to boot normally but gets stuck.
 @sorcier777, padlock tells you its unlocked
 Otherwise should come up with our boot anmiation sooner or later
 I've flashed the rc channel on my opo(bacon) after I read that camera and video were fixed. I did it via Ubuntu-device-flash and got ota 1. Am I missing something? Is there any other way to install the image where camera and videos are working?
 @sorcier777, it happened to me as well, I thought it was stuck, but no
 https://ubports.com/forum/wiki-2/question/release-channels-6
 sudo system-image-cli —switch [channel name]
 You can switch channels without having to reinstall
 @jakko, Install the latest rc and test it. In the blog post you'll find a testing plan
 https://ubports.com/blog/ubports-blog-1/post/road-to-ota-2-75
 @neothethird, Okay....sorry ...I read it very quickly....thx...
 Haha, np
 Everyone can still help: https://nc.ubports.com/s/VUiW8rZnOR2hMYg
 @neothethird, yeah I'll do my best with missing sk translation for system-settings module for now
 but no promisses. you know
[12:12] <tgBot10> Galhi was added by: Galhi
[12:16] <tgBot10> Germo Veltmaat was added by: Germo Veltmaat
 Couldn't find my language in https://translate.ubports.com/accounts/profile/#languages is there any way to add
 @Galhi, Dhivehi (maldivian)
 @Galhi, yes, register and you can add language
[12:38] <tgBot10> <Stefan Kalb> @Jujuyeh, It depends 😬 Yesterday it took me approx. 1h to backup photos and some app settings and flash UT.
[12:40] <tgBot10> Esc476 was added by: Esc476
 welcome
 Thanks.
 @bastos777, Is Convergence already available for FP2 ? Or do we have to wait for the connecting device being developped by marius?
[12:48] <tgBot10> Mubashshir7 was added by: Mubashshir7
 @Mubashshir7, welcome
 any ubuntu rom for Mote e Condor
 @Mubashshir7, see list of supported devices https://ubports.com/page/get-ubuntu-touch
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[13:16] <tgBot10> tembleking was added by: tembleking
 buenaas
 I'm gonna install ubports in a few minutes
 on my OPO
 do you have any advise?
 @tembleking, In case you need help tg://join?invite=AAAAAAiC4TTYHRddjUbpXg
 @tembleking, I would recomend the rc channel
 @sorcier777, thanks, joined
 @sorcier777, what is this tool for?
 Flashing and installing
 @mariogrip, ty
 @sorcier777, k, a friend is gonna help me through the process, I don't feel quite confident about doing it by myself, don't wanna brick it
 mdt is pretty safe
 okay thanks
 and if I flash it and install ubports, is any chance to get back my android in case I need it?
 also no dual boot yet right?
 You should ask on the mdt chan
 thaks
 @Lorxu, i think worse than that was the fact that they didn't do *much more* to make sure UBports was rolling well. I ranted about this in #audiocast
 @Flohack, lol
 @Milan Korecky, your daughter has android???  hmmmmm
 LOL
 @wayneoutthere, When a company layoff 100 persons, i guess management doesn't really care about the project they were working on.
 @garrogarri, awesome, eh???
 @sorcier777, not off topic... problem is... where do we discuss? Let's fix that bug... ping me on the side...
[14:00] <tgBot10> <Milan Korecky> @wayneoutthere, Yes, but she envy my Ubports , I promised her one when all study will be perfect, ubports is not for everybody!!!
[14:01] <tgBot10> <Milan Korecky> I am very strict father
 @Milan Korecky, good. you will save her from the powers of googles tentacles then ;)
 question... about CPT tool: … So... it does the main core devices, but at what point and how are new devices added to the CPT tool?   … And what is the benchmark for a device becoming "core" … I'm just wondering because the N4 now seems to be pretty awesome and stable (on devel channel) so can it be added to CPT tool somehow?
 @Milan Korecky, until she finds out there's no snapchat 🙈
 man.. i just don't know what to say.  it's a hard topic.  i just love my old memories of NO ONE having a camera.  We used to print pictures once per year or so.  That was it.
 i was invited to a birthday party, and the invitation was printed! in color! the guy's dad had a printer! a color printer!
 good times
[14:10] <tgBot10> <Milan Korecky> My daughter does not use Snapchat, Facebook , what's up, only Telegram , we convinced all her classroom to go for Telegram
[14:12] <tgBot10> <Milan Korecky> I did not knew it, she surprised me the other day, good daughter
 i guess my kid's invitaitions will have to be 3d printed.
 @Milan Korecky, I think we might just have to talk about her.... somewhere..... #audiocast  !
 I find it so weird we all act like Telegram is the best thing since sliced bread
 Telegram works better for me than either Whatsapp or Signal.
 It is a platform owned by the guy who used to own the Russian version of Facebook (VKontakte), the devs often don't release source code for new releases (which is a GPL violation with ffmpeg) and the crypto is a joke
 Signal's crypto keys are tied to your phone number; change your SIM and it breaks. I often have to uninstall and reinstall, or desynchronise and resync, to get it working -- and every time it loses all my history and messages.
 Whatsapp is also tied to a mobile number and so gets very confused if you swap SIMs.
 Telegram mostly just works™.
[14:33] <tgBot10> <Milan Korecky> @wayneoutthere Nevertheless and regarding the privacy, how to build home nexcloud it is a topic. No idea where should I start. All NAS I have seen are with some private os preinstalled. And the devices on nexcloud webpage? I don't ged it.
 So, Matrix is the solution?
[14:38] <tgBot10> <Milan Korecky> @wayneoutthere, She is only 12, I am still and who knows how long, the number 1 men in her life. But the privacy and safety for children connected to internet is a everyday topic!!!!! All what is available on YouTube ... disaster
 yessir
 i'm with you
 @Milan Korecky, i'm also with you on this.  good news... not hard.  I have lots of ideas on this one too.  Also on my mind regulary
 @Guido, I think it might be. @Lorxu and others raise good points.  Just because Telegram has 'great features' (and it does) doesn't mean we should embrace it.  The people in this group are SMART and capable....
 @Milan Korecky, Our Russian Youtube videobloggers is not very good
 are*
 @Guido, Definitely more promising long-term than Telegram, but unfortunately not that user-friendly yet
 Matrix may... stay too techy
 @Lorxu, That is what happens if you take the red pill! 😉
 @Lorxu, do we have an example of something that started techy and ended awesome?
 GNU/Linux? KDE? :P
 KDE? Techy? what?/
 :P
 Most things start off overly technical, but the Matrix team seems to focus on that, the Telegram team focuses on being user-friendly
 KDE was supposed to be Kool
 :P
 @bhushanshah, That never happened! *quickly burns old KDE documentation*
 The kool thing was... so uncool ;-;
 (Sticker, 362x512) https://irc.ubports.com/tUMIL3xO/file_666.webp
 @Lorxu, agree. Unity was the coolest and classiest  of the OS's so far in my opionni
 I see what you have done there @wayneoutthere
 Milan in system settings there is lock device when not used: in czech you use "telefon" but it can be as well tablet 😜
 Also timing of lock is in seconds now, you have mimutes ^
[15:09] <tgBot10> solarkraft was added by: solarkraft
 @Lorxu, but it is pretty damn cool
 I just clicked the link on the website and now I'm talking to people on a well designed platform with open clients and a chat history
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/EpkVVNLv/file_667.mp4
 Also hell yeah, real Linux on phones
 Paul made the most spectacular entrance of anyone into this group yet
 Thanks :D
[15:12] <tgBot10> <Milan Korecky> @thepeter, I was going to translate It as: zařízení or přístroj, but did not liked, you are right, what have you used ?
[15:13] <tgBot10> <Milan Korecky> @thepeter, Thanks many thanks
 @Milan Korecky, Zariadenie 😁
[15:16] <tgBot10> <Milan Korecky> I will follow 👍
 @solarkraft, Well-designed, lol...
 Have you ever looked at Telegram's code? It's a surprise it works at all, and sometimes you see it doesn't. I've had it randomly add someone to my contacts, WITH phone number, that I didn't know and whose number I didn't had. I've also several times had it suddenly show me chats again on launch that I left weeks before
[15:18] <tgBot10> <Zhang Zhou 🥜🥜🥜> @Lorxu, in russian tech world Telegram creator is under suspicion about connections with russian special services and mafia (also, the first investors of vk.com was mafia) … i do not recommend to trust telegram your secrets, but it's pretty ok for public conversations
 @Zhang Zhou 🥜🥜🥜, Interesting, got a source for that?
[15:28] <tgBot10> <Zhang Zhou 🥜🥜🥜> @Lorxu, yes, in short, cuz it is offtopic: … Mikhael Mirilashvili was first investor of vk.com and he is famous criminal (was in prison) and billionaire; … vk.com sending all user data to russian FSB and police; … Telegram had no proper security audit; … latest scandal about Durov: former dev of it claims that Telegram office placed in Russia (where authorities has total control on any business) … So, for cypherpunks this e
[15:28] <tgBot10> trust to Telegram :)
 A source is a link to a news article or so :P
[15:33] <tgBot10> <Zhang Zhou 🥜🥜🥜> it's a complex of gossips in tech industry, there's many proofs, but all in russian, so think about it as "inside"
 Where can I found stored the videos viewed with Vulgry?
 @solarkraft, that's a... fair point.  We love telegram as much as we can, rest assured.
 @wayneoutthere, bump.  anyone?  Just curious and I"ll surely forget.
 @Sylvia And who can now evaluate which one is better or rather which one has the better API and is more widly used? … I still have some beef with Telegram as this is bascially also on someone else hand.
 Darn I should have read till the end. But this here is horrible to keep track of chats :o
 Zhang Zhou Thanks. That is also exactly what I heard about telegram. That's why I also was so hesistant to join
 (Photo, 2560x1440) https://irc.ubports.com/MRjwJBVz/file_669.jpg
 @Jujuyeh, stuck at this point
 how long does it take?
[16:27] <tgBot10> <Stefan Kalb> @krishnan_ts, Unless @mariogrip pushed the camera fixes already to RC, you need to switch channel to devel.
 Does anybody know if there's some kind of log where I can read about the updates? RC for N5 just got an update but I don't know where to go to read about what's been changed.
 Is there any active development for the OnePlus 3(t)
 (Photo, 2560x1440) https://irc.ubports.com/EGQsa6tN/file_671.jpg
 help pls
 did you have android on your phone? maybe you have to install before canonical ut to unlock the bootloader and then install ubports (with mdt you have to do this, idk with this tool...)
[17:10] <tgBot10> Patrick was added by: Patrick
 ok thanks
 Welcome Patrick!
 @Guido, +1
[17:13] <tgBot10> <W M> I AM NOT CERTAIN ABOUT THIS, … -but- … I believe Android phones appear to be a completely different device to computers depending on if they are in fastboot, recovery, or normal mode. … I've had to go and add my phone (recovery) to the udev rule (normal) before to get my computer to recognize it. … As far a what Mike said, flashing the Ubuntu recovery onto the phone will probably help a lot too. It might be the only thing you need to do. … You
[17:13] <tgBot10> command … lsusb … to list attached USB devices and their vendor/device codes.
[17:15] <tgBot10> <W M> Installing the Android ADB package from your repo would probably help too. If I am right about the device not being recognised due to vendor/device code changes, then installing that package may fix it for you. That's all the advice I can give.  I hope it helps.
 @Stefan Kalb, Yup.. did that today :)
 @krishnan_ts, Wait.. camera is fixed on bacon??!!
 @Esc476, It works on the devel channel.. I don't think it's pushed to rc yet.
 Anyway to multi select files from the file browser?
 Oh ok. I'll have to check that out. I wish my opo didn't have the mic and network issues.. waiting for the op3t port haha
[17:27] <tgBot10> <Stefan Kalb> @Jujuyeh, There should be the ubports recovery...
[17:30] <tgBot10> <Stefan Kalb> And not the cyanogen one I think
[17:32] <tgBot10> <Stefan Kalb> And there is no canonical build for opo by the way 😅
 @W M, It worked, thank you ❤
[17:54] <tgBot10> <W M> You're welcome.  … (Yay, I helped. :D )
 @Milan Korecky, About double tap space explanation ... do you have  confirmed that it adds all those hings you are mentioning there and not just end period?
 I recently joined the group. pleasure to be part of it. Greetings from Italy
[18:04] <jcjordyn120> Cool
 Is possible change the scope's backgroud?
 in rc and devel yes
 but it's the same of the lock screen
[18:57] <tgBot10> Volarics was added by: Volarics
 well, I think I'm pretty hosed with my n4. It won't boot into UTouch so I can't reflash or anything.  … Maybe a dumb question but can I flash anything via fastboot?
 @kz6fittycent, are you on devel channel?
 yes
 @kz6fittycent, Yes fastboot should always still work, even if the installed ROM does not
 stuck at "Google" screen. It was working prior to a couple of days ago
 I did it with the command line on the ubports site and everything got awesome with devel channel
 @kz6fittycent, There should be some key combination to enter fastboot
 sudo ubuntu-device-flash —server=http://system-image.ubports.com touch —device=mako \--channel=15.04/devel … 2017/09/21 14:14:16 Device is |mako| … 2017/09/21 14:14:17 Flashing version 144 from 15.04/devel channel and server http://system-image.ubports.com to device mako … 2017/09/21 14:14:17 Target device cannot be reached over adb
 right I'm IN fastboot, as that's the only dialog I can actually use. I've tried reflashing and that's the error I got
 On my phone I can access a development menu when pressing volume up or down while booting if the bootloader is unlocked, which contains an easy way to enter fastboot etc
 I'm IN fastboot. But it's whining about adb
 @kz6fittycent, Flash TWRP first maybe ...
 TWRP has working adb, so maybe it works then
 got it...I was leaving OFF - - bootstrap as I thought that was for first time installation...it's working now
 How?? Because I get change the background in multitask and lock page. How can I change the white.
 thanks for the help guys..
[19:18] <tgBot10> <demokrit atomos> there seems to be some instability for the Nexus 4, probably should include that on the device page... I had to flash 2 times to make it work on first install and now after updating from r143 (devel) to r144 i got the same problem as you james -.-
 the one device I'd love to see with UTouch is the grouper...crazy, I know but I am getting nowhere with porting it. I can't get my head wrapped around porting.
 OpenStore v2 is now available to the public, get it while it's hot! https://open.uappexplorer.com/app/openstore.openstore-team
 Thanks to the wonderful @sverzegnassi !
 @kz6fittycent, Since there is tegra inside, IMHO you probably could be able to run pc version of ubuntu
 @bhdouglass, +1 @sverzegnassi
 @thepeter, Yeah, I did that and yuck....
 what I'm trying to do is get to a stable platform to start building/updating my old click apps
 my n4 is pretty janky. I don't own any of the other devices in current development
 but I got this old grouper here, doing nothing....and jeeze
[19:41] <tgBot10> <Stefan Kalb> @bhdouglass, Hey, looks awsome 👍 … Is it intentional that the "my apps" list is displayed in reverse order?
 I blame @sverzegnassi :D We just had someone mention this to us, we totally missed it in our testing
 It's not a bug, it's a feature!
[19:42] <tgBot10> * sverzegnassi going to hide somewhere
 @kz6fittycent, OIC getting compatible device to experiment work on is an challenge for me too
 @bhdouglass, 😂😂😂
 Haven't heard that one for a while 😁
 New version of open store is amazing 😀
 Thanks to the team behind the store 👍👏
 Hey guys!
 We have a sprint in NYC next week, and I know the (old, ubuntu) store team will be there, and there will be discussions about the shutdown process
 Are there any things I need to bring up?
 I guess you guys are all good now, with open store, but I just wondered if there were any concerns you had.
 @popeydc, Well I guess they can't just give us all the apps they hsve database or can they? 😇
 Anyone can do that
 Use the API to download them all.
 Well, download all libre apps. You can't redistribute proprietary ones
 UBports Community Update 12 | UBports … https://ubports.com/blog/ubports-blog-1/post/ubports-community-update-12-77
 In Open Store when pressing "my apps" I'd like to see what app may I update.
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 Hi everybody
 Someone here with Bose QuietComfort 35?
 (Photo, 1920x1080) https://irc.ubports.com/MbNcWZLx/file_673.jpg
 It wants to downgrade my file manager. Where the heck did my version come from?
 is it because I'm on devel?
 Or did I sideload it some time ago? I cant remember doing that🤔
 FP2 15.04/devel r145 if that matters
 Ok, found it. Preinstalled version of File Manager in UBports system images comes from the Ubuntu Store
 @popeydc, Just let us know the deadline. :)
 Received rc 6
 Improvements?
 I'm in devel.. If i upgrade filemanager with openstore and after i check on systemsettings if there are updates i find the canonical version of filemanager waiting to be installed..
 @andreasimonetti, That's no good. @mariogrip any ideas,
 Thanks !!! It looks great! amazing work 👍
 @geminis65, Reverted to older version of Oxide because the BQ E5 can't handle the newer Oxide
 @UniversalSuperBox, tbh we should disable click updates from the old store
 Im not sure how the versioning works there, it might belive there is a new version when there is not
 Brian Douglass, [21.09.17 22:36] … OpenStore v2 is now available to the public, get it while it's hot! https://open.uappexplorer.com/app/openstore.openstore-team
 let's just bump the filemanager from openstore to be bigger then the cllick store
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/ON6u9Z6W/file_674.mp4
 Open store, new and improved face
 @mariogrip, You just need to upload it, we use an internal *magic* number (i.e. revision number)
 @sverzegnassi, ah!
 Thanks for new open store! :) … A few minor suggestions though: … - I don't think openning app's page should appear from the bottom - rather as a normal stack page. It should also have a "back" chevron instead of a cross in upper-left. … - I'd replace the "open app" in the upper right corner with the icon - green button on the header doesn't look the best, and it's out of sync with all the other apps. Alternatively, move it to beside a delete 
[22:09] <tgBot10> that delete and open app would be in the same row. … - Swiping through the screenshots would be a nice feature. … - I'd replace the bottom bar with the classical SDK tabs - again, for the sake of the design compatibility with the core apps and Ubuntu visual design in general. To maintain the discoverability of the updates, I'd add at the list item just below the header and tabs, which would appear only if updates are available. … - Personally I'd remove
[22:09] <tgBot10> from top bar and make a search bar function exactly the same as in the scopes or messaging app - there's just an action in the header, and after clicking the search box appears. It's only one click too, as after clicking the action search box should appear and get focus instantly. In the header I'd place the "OpenStore" text and a search action on the right - under it there would be a tabbar with three tabs - Discover, Categories and My apps. … That's my op
[22:09] <tgBot10> it may help. And thanks for the great work :)
 @sverzegnassi  Pressing "my apps" I'd like to see what apps may I update. … 23:02
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/n0HnM5Ba/file_676.jpg
 @Cesar_Herrera, Not sure if there's something broken for your case, but *in theory* available updates are displayed at the top of "My Apps" page, and it should appear a badge in the navigation bar
 @sverzegnassi SORRY
 No problem :)
[22:39] <tgBot10> Lazmol was added by: Lazmol
 @theMitu, *taking note* … Just giving a bit of context for some UI behaviors: … 1) The page appear from the bottom because it's actually a bottom edge panel. It probably makes sense only on tablet, where there is some margin on the three sides. We might want to change this on phones. … 2) Same as 1 :) … 3) Placing that button has a bit challanging, since we wanted to keep visible even when "Upgrade" and "Uninstall" buttons are visible (
[22:52] <tgBot10> phone there is no much space). We will see if we can make it a bit more 'neutral' … 4) Yes, it would be cool! It's already on our list! … 5) NO WAY! I guess the bottom navigation bar will be a thing also in Clock app. To be honest, there has never been a certain amount of consistency between core apps, since not all of them received feedbacks from the design team (and a few appa still use old designs from 2013). … I wanted to test if the bottom navigati
[22:52] <tgBot10> eventually work on UT too. Nav buttons at the top (e.g. back btn) are not so comfortable for being used on a phone - on UT I really miss those bottom button I have on Android  :) … 6) Yeah, another experiment. We might revert it and show the tab title instead
 @sverzegnassi yep navigation on the buttom is awesome, i strugle to reach the back button on mx4 X-)
 @Lorxu, I agree 100%...