[06:55] <SuperMatt> a
[06:55] <SuperMatt> oops
[06:55] <SuperMatt> morning though
[06:55] <MooDoo> howdy all
[06:55] <SuperMatt> Didn't get facebook job :(
[06:56] <SuperMatt> need a little more systems knowledge
[06:56] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: awww that sucks, and what systems?
[06:56] <SuperMatt> As is, what system calls are called when starting a process
[06:56] <MooDoo> yeah that sounds a bit in depth
[06:58] <SuperMatt> yeah
[06:58] <SuperMatt> though my coding was fine, apparently
[07:02] <MooDoo> are you going to try again?
[07:03] <SuperMatt> One day
[07:03] <MooDoo> cool
[07:14] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[07:19] <MooDoo> morning brobostigon :D]
[07:22] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo :)
[07:46] <foobarry> what system calls *are* called when starting a process?
[07:46]  * SuperMatt shrugs
[07:46] <SuperMatt> essentially, they want kernel level knowledge
[07:47] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: time for some reading then :D
[07:47] <SuperMatt> indeed
[07:48] <MooDoo> I'm thinking about LPIC-1
[07:48] <foobarry> https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=zGYC5Y-FIOUC&pg=PA15&lpg=PA15&dq=what+system+calls+are+called+when+starting+a+process&source=bl&ots=lcZ6nYWZOQ&sig=V4bDE_xLu_Y-1AdA2-T7UhdszZM&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjMjOvm5LXWAhWCA8AKHZFADqo4ChDoAQg8MAQ#v=onepage&q=what%20system%20calls%20are%20called%20when%20starting%20a%20process&f=false
[12:48] <foobarry> really annoying issue with slack
[12:48] <foobarry> somehow it grabs the clipbaord and hogs it
[12:49] <zmoylan-pi> using slack? :-P
[12:49] <foobarry> 9/10 i'm pasting an old clip
[12:55] <diddledan> really interesting: https://medium.com/starts-with-a-bang/the-greatest-cosmic-puzzle-astronomers-find-stars-that-appear-older-than-the-universe-71bee462c6be
[12:56] <zmoylan-pi> is there a less bloggy link?
[13:07] <diddledan> I can shortlink it if you want a link that looks different
[13:33] <Oli> I want to make a big wall-mounted "keyboard" for the house. Ideally a white dry-erase surface with a grid of buttons. Then I can draw out keys and map those to actions via an Ubuntu server. But does anybody know if this mythical wipe-clean whiteboard-keboard thing exists? Or do I have to make this from scratch?
[13:39] <Oli> Everything I search for pushes me towards a smart board (without a projector) or a touchscreen overlay... But they're both pretty expensive options for an application where I need —at most— 30 buttons.
[13:58] <diplo> I have no idea whether you can use something, but sounds like the laser projection virtual keyboard ?
[13:58] <diplo> I'veen one on amazon, don't know if it works with linux though
[14:05] <Oli> Yeah sort of. That just seems very complicated. All I need is a matrix of large membrane buttons with something I can draw on on the surface.
[14:06] <Oli> Just doesn't appear to be something that exists.
[14:06] <Oli> I'm almost considering pulling a DDR mat apart.
[14:06] <Oli> That's the sort of scale I'm almost talking about
[14:09] <diplo> I was about to say, sounds like something you'd have to make yourself if not
[14:09] <diplo> Rip a keyboard apart and map the keys you want to use and stick a cover over them
[14:09] <diplo> Get one of the clear membrane covers for keyboards
[14:10] <Oli> Yeah. It's just a shame there aren't enough people as weird as me to justify mass production of these.
[14:13] <diplo> I guess that's why most people use smart boards in schools etc
[16:56] <zmoylan-pi> i think dnd now has software that'll project, might be an alternate starting point for similar features...
[19:53] <daftykins> HSBC want a 90 minute appointment to create an account, hrmm
[20:09] <zmoylan-pi> ring your own donuts and coffee? :-)
[20:09] <zmoylan-pi> *bring
[20:09] <daftykins> cor, i'm hoping for a free coffee at least!
[20:10] <zmoylan-pi> you'll get a free calendar like everyone else... with the heros of hsbc on it... in their skivies...
[20:11] <daftykins> ooh that might be a bit too fancy for HSBC Offshore, down here on the rock
[20:12] <daftykins> maybe a free branded biro which lasts a sentence or three of writing
[20:12] <zmoylan-pi> if you had opened the deluxe business account you'd get a red stapler... :-)
[20:15] <daftykins> woohoo \o/
[20:15] <zmoylan-pi> well that might help a few peopkle here in ireland... http://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0921/906622-government-outlaw-zero-hours-contracts/
[20:18] <daftykins> diddledan: https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-41v6n3Vaf5s/UeRN_XJ0keI/AAAAAAAAN2Y/YxIHhddGiaw/s1600/css.gif
[20:48] <popey> https://imgur.com/gallery/a6vhvzp
[20:48] <popey> need
[20:50] <MooDoo> popey: I'm closer :p
[20:53] <popey> haha :)
[21:01] <daftykins> O_O
[21:05] <diddledan> wow
[21:19] <diddledan> I love finding old sites: "Rewrote the page in valid html 4.01 strict."
[21:20] <diddledan> nobody cares about being "valid html" anymore
[21:20] <diddledan> either it works or it doesn't
[21:21] <diddledan> it's even got those w3c checkmark icons to say "I really did validate it, honest, guv"
[21:21] <diddledan> e.g. http://www.w3.org/Icons/valid-html401
[21:21] <daftykins> as long as the mobile version makes you cringe and head to a desktop browser to get anything done, everything is normal!
[21:30] <zmoylan-pi>  does it have an undercontruction gif? :-)
[21:35] <diddledan> google chrome is refusing to open stackexchange sites
[21:35] <zmoylan-pi> is that a bug or a feature?
[21:36] <diddledan> I'm not sure
[21:37] <MooDoo> diddledan: url?
[21:37] <diddledan> https://stackoverflow.com
[21:38] <MooDoo> works fine for me!
[21:38] <MooDoo> well the site loads
[21:38] <diddledan> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/8cHQYGds/
[21:38] <daftykins> yip fine here
[21:38] <MooDoo> diddledan: that one didn't
[21:38] <diddledan> other https sites are loading fine so it isn't a misconfiguration of proxy
[21:38] <daftykins> diddledan: ah they saw you coming
[21:50] <diddledan> o_O
[21:58] <diddledan> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/LUJK5pML/
[21:58] <diddledan> weird
[22:00] <daftykins> are you running some convoluted setup from your many racks to help confuse your DNS setup and so on?
[22:00] <diddledan> I don't _think_ so
[22:01] <diddledan> if I curl direct to an IP from DNS resolution I get SSL correctly starting
[22:02] <diddledan> e.g. stackoverflow.com.	197	IN	A	151.101.1.69
[22:02] <diddledan> I curl that IP and get a result that no hostnames in the certificate match the IP (because it expects me to be asking for a hostname, not IP)
[22:03] <diddledan> curl: (51) SSL: no alternative certificate subject name matches target host name '151.101.1.69'
[22:03] <diddledan> that's fine AFAICT
[22:05] <diddledan> openssl s_client can connect
[22:05] <diddledan> for some reason curl and chrome are failing
[22:06] <diddledan> firefox also can't get there
[22:06] <diddledan> AHA
[22:06] <diddledan> forgot about that
[22:06] <diddledan> I fix
[22:07] <diddledan> turns out I had two default routes at the same priority - one for my real gateway and one from a stupid usb gsm dongle
[22:10] <daftykins> o0
[22:12] <daftykins> surely it's a bit faster than GSM :D