[00:00] <tomreyn> xz: after the apt-get update you can run foreign_packages again and should get to see way less 'newer than version in archive' packages - i hope.
[00:02] <xz> tomreyn: it still lists all packages (945), however they are all 'uptodate' now
[00:03] <xz> tomreyn: and ia32-libs-multiarch says 'no available version in archive'. I think the whole 'multiarch' concept got reworked and it's implemented differently these days
[00:05] <TJ-> xz: sounds like a fresh install might be more effective!
[00:05] <tomreyn> xz: yes that's right. you could just pirpe the output to "grep -v 'uptodate$' then
[00:07] <xz> TJ-: it's a Jenkins slave that's normally used for the project and I don't want to break everything. I'm talking about things like hostname, ip address, etc.
[00:07] <xz> TJ-: If I screw up the machine might as well be dead for weeks
[00:09] <TJ-> xz: yeah, I have a procedure for such things. I do a debootstrap minimal install into a chroot alongside the running OS, then I copy in just the config files under /etc/, then install the package that uses that so it's post-install script handles updating the config file. Moving over things like /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname and so on is really simple too.
[00:11] <xz> TJ-: also, that box has been around for a long time and I don't know exactly what's been run on it and what kind of configs/apps were used. It's a mess. Once I get a grasp of what's going on, I will try to do everything right way. For now I just want to keep status-quo and builds running + upgrade to 16.04
[00:12] <xz> TJ-: but I would be glad to learn your process, I would definitely want to use it one day
[00:12] <xz> tomreyn: so I'm left with ia32-libs-multiarch, linux-image-3.2.0.60-generic and linux-image-3.2.0.69-generic
[00:12] <xz> tomreyn: the -generic kernels come from desktop version, don't they?
[00:13] <tomreyn> xz: by now they are identical for desktops and servers, i'm not sure whent his started
[00:13] <xz> tomreyn: for ia32-libs I can install them eventually on 16.04 (or whatever is the package name on 16.04, I remember it's changed)
[00:14] <xz> tomreyn: I think I'm ready for do-release-upgrade then
[00:15] <tomreyn> i agree
[00:19] <tomreyn> xz: https://askubuntu.com/questions/107230/what-happened-to-the-ia32-libs-package
[00:21] <xz> tomreyn: yeah, I will fix these packages once I'm fully set on 16.04
[00:21] <xz> tomreyn: as I understand first upgrade will take me to 14.04
[00:22] <xz> do-release-upgrade listed 4 problematic packages, libkms1, libsnmp15, maas-provision and maas-provision-common
[00:28] <tomreyn> xz: yes, it should upgrade to 14.04 first, then the next run should bringt you to 16.04. i'm not into the MAAS packages. libkms1 sounds like kernel mode switching, which is now default, you may no longer need it (there is no such package in 16.04). libsnmp15 is no more, there is now (16.04) libsnmp30
[00:29] <tomreyn> 14,04 also has libsnmp30
[00:29] <xz> tomreyn: I took note of all packages, will carry on the update. Once on 16.04 then I will make sure they have respective versions installed
[00:30] <oerheks> i would feel more safe doing a reinstall, and put data back from the backup.
[00:30] <oerheks> and much fster too
[00:30] <tomreyn> i agree.
[00:31] <neyder> oerheks: I prefer a separated home, phy partition o LVM
[00:31] <xz> oerheks: yeah, but if I break stuff then other people cannot build
[00:31] <tomreyn> xz: you may need to find out why libsnmp15 was installed. if there's unpackaged software on this system which depended on it, you'll need to (at the very least) rebuild it.
[00:31] <xz> oerheks: there are jenkins jobs that do 'sudo' stuff and other hacks
[00:31] <oerheks> hence the huge switch upstart > systemd
[00:32] <xz> tomreyn: upgrade is already going, too late :
[00:33] <xz> tomreyn: I have a gut feeling that libsnmp was for jenkins itself
[00:34] <xz> tomreyn: as its listed as jenkins dependency
[00:36] <CuriousMind_> Can someone help me download wireshark for 16.04? I typed in "apt-get install wireshark" and it didn't work
[00:36] <tomreyn> xz: i manage a system using jenkins from http://pkg.jenkins-ci.org/debian-stable on 16.04, it does not have this dependency.
[00:37] <TJ-> CuriousMind_: does the system have the "universe" repository pocket enabled?
[00:38] <tomreyn> CuriousMind_: "did not work" is insufficient to analyze this issue. but i can guess that you need to add 'sudo' in front of this command line
[00:38] <oerheks> !info wireshark
[00:39] <CuriousMind_> TJ-: how can I check if the system has the universe repository pocket enabled?
[00:40] <CuriousMind_> tomreyn: Ok I understand one second
[00:40] <CuriousMind_> oerheks: thanks
[00:40] <neyder> CuriousMind_: software-properties-gtk
[00:41] <xz> tomreyn: oh, the dependency I found was on how to set up jenkins for specific project. I will see after the update if anything breaks then.
[00:41] <CuriousMind_> neyder: typed it in
[00:41] <neyder> CuriousMind_: dash
[00:41] <CuriousMind_> neyder: what does this command do?
[00:41] <neyder> CuriousMind_: just look for software origins
[00:42] <neyder> CuriousMind_: I do alt+f2 to run that command
[00:42] <CuriousMind_> neyder: I enter the command in terminal and a window popped up
[00:42] <CuriousMind_> neyder: Ok I see
[00:42] <CuriousMind_> neyder: why is the purpose of this?
[00:42] <neyder> CuriousMind_: that right , now you can check if universe is enabled
[00:43] <CuriousMind_> neyder: Oh I see ok
[00:43] <CuriousMind_> neyder: I'm noob to linux so help please
[00:43] <CuriousMind_> neyder: there are 6 tabs within this window
[00:44] <CuriousMind_> neyder: ubuntu software, other software, updates, authentication, additional drivers, developer options
[00:44] <neyder> CuriousMind_: thats ok, the first ta, shows 4 checkbox, for main universe restricted multiverse, all should be enabled
[00:45] <CuriousMind_> neyder: that is correct, all the checkboxes are enabled. What about the fifth box which says source code?
[00:45] <neyder> CuriousMind_: it's not needed at all
[00:45] <neyder> CuriousMind_: so first back to terminal and first `sudo apt update`
[00:46] <CuriousMind_> neyder: I see and ok
[00:46] <CuriousMind_> neyder: and what does this do?
[00:47] <neyder> CuriousMind_: this *updates* the database of software repositories , and what software is available to install/upgrade
[00:48] <CuriousMind_> neyder: Ok I see
[00:48] <clyp> anyone awake at this hour ?
[00:48] <CuriousMind_> neyder: so where is the database? What does it look like?
[00:48] <neyder> clyp: many
 last time I was in a chat room was back in the early 2000s on yahoo chat this brings back memories
[00:49] <neyder> CuriousMind_: forgot about that, apt is what you use to install/update/upgrade it work with that database
[00:50] <neyder> clyp: so welcome
[00:50] <clyp> thank you <neyder>
[00:50] <clyp> here hoping to get a little understanding on ubuntu
[00:51] <CuriousMind_> neyder: got it. Ok so the last sentence in the terminal says "136 packages can be upgraded. Run 'apt list --upgradable' to see them.
[00:51] <clyp> started learning it in college and I had a little knowledge of it before hand but what he has us doing is straight forward but confusing
[00:51] <Greeley> clyp, ask away most are willing to help
[00:51] <CuriousMind_> clyp: I can relate, I know the feeling
[00:53] <clyp> I'm at a loss with changing permissions like i get that r is read and w is write and x is executable
[00:53] <Greeley> started learning Ubuntu of my own volition back in 2006, now I start a job as a sysAdmin on Monday.
 what is it you're doing with the package upgrader ?
[00:53] <neyder> CuriousMind_: so i think you can *upgrade* and install wireshark too
 congrats that's good news
[00:54] <CuriousMind_> Greeley: nice, congrats
[00:54] <neyder> Greeley: hooray! \o/
[00:54] <CuriousMind_> clyp: I can't tell you. I am just following the instructions
[00:54] <Greeley> thanks guys ^.^
[00:54] <CuriousMind_> clyp: Oh, the purpose is to be able to install a software that I need
[00:54] <CuriousMind_> neyder: Ok so do the command again right? "apt-get install wireshark"?
[00:55] <clyp> would just be apt-get install <packagename>
[00:55] <clyp> assuming you're in root
[00:55] <clyp> if not sudo before the comamnd
[00:55] <neyder> CuriousMind_: run `sudo apt install wireshark` an then you should `sudo apt upgrade`
[00:55] <CuriousMind_> clyp: got it, thanks
[00:55] <CuriousMind_> neyder: got it, thanks
[00:56] <clyp> is wireshark not for hacking wifi ?
[00:56] <oerheks> CuriousMind_, make sure you have a supported wifi chipset/driver https://wiki.wireshark.org/CaptureSetup/WLAN#Linux
[00:56] <clyp> pretty sure that's built into Kali
[00:56] <neyder> is for network analyzing
[00:56] <clyp> aaah
[00:56] <aloo_shu> Greeley #lopsa-lounge for you then. They used to have a better topic, a link to some blogpost along the ligns of "Are you working for a bdenign dictatorshi?" :)
[00:56] <CuriousMind_> I am using wireshark for my homework in computer networking, it's due tomorrow
[00:57] <Bashing-om> clyp: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions + https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/File_permissions_and_attributes . A good place to start .
[00:57] <aloo_shu> (typos galore)
[00:57] <clyp> only started my HNC a few weeks ago only began to start talking about nics
[00:57] <CuriousMind_> oerheks: I am sorry, what is it that you are telling me
[00:57] <oerheks> CuriousMind_, not all wifi devices / drivers support wireshark
[00:58] <oerheks> monitor mode, that is
[00:58] <CuriousMind_> oerheks: ok I understand that
[00:58] <Greeley> aloo_shu not sure currently I work at the airport but my new job seems pretty cool, always willing to do things differently if it works
[00:59] <CuriousMind_> oerheks: ok checking the website out now, thank you
[00:59] <clyp> how would i change the permissions for file.c to rw-rw-r-- and change permissions from file.data to rwxr----- ?
[00:59] <aloo_shu> Greeley don't give too much for my channel recommendation, there isn't even a link to lopsa homepage anymore. le
[00:59] <TJ-> clyp: see "man chmod" for the command details
[01:00] <aloo_shu> league of prof. sys admins it stood for, 'case u want 2 google
[01:00] <clyp> I was in there <TJ-> and it got me lost
[01:00] <Greeley> file.c you would chmod 664 and file.data 740
 as cool as that sounds I dunno what you just said
[01:01] <TJ-> clyp: OK, well, there are 3 sets of 3 values. a set each for (u)ser, (g)roup, and (o)thers, and for each set three operations (r)read, (w)rite, and e(x)ecute
[01:01] <clyp> yeah I get that <TJ->
[01:02] <TJ-> clyp: so for your first: "chmod u=rw,g=rw,o=r file.c"
[01:02] <Greeley> so instead of using the rwx you can use numerical notation, first number is owner, than group, then other users
[01:02] <clyp> aaaah
[01:02] <CuriousMind_> neyder: package configuration - "dumpcap can be installed in a way that allows members of the "wireshark" system group to capture packets...Should non-superusers be able to capture packets?"
[01:02] <neyder> prefer no
[01:02] <neyder> CuriousMind_: prefer no
[01:02] <xz> tomreyn: I'm on 14.04.5 now! Upgraded and booted with no problems whatsoever
[01:02] <CuriousMind_> neyder: ok thank you
[01:03] <TJ-> clyp: but those r,w,x represent bits being set, so you could do "chmod 664 file.c" to achieve the same thing
[01:03] <clyp> I dont get what chmod 664 file.c is
[01:03] <TJ-> clyp: because (r) = bit 2 = 4, (w) = bit 1 = 2, (o) = bit 0 = 1
[01:04] <iAnonGuy> Ubuntu 17.10 is moving to Wayland/GNOME 3, but can we upgrade and still keep Unity/X.Org without adding the other desktop env?
[01:04] <neyder> clyp: means rw-rw-r-- for your file
[01:04] <TJ-> clyp: the read-write-execute bitmap of 3 bits, and there's a map for each permission: user, group,others
[01:05] <clyp> I feel stupid I know what you guys are saying but when I put it to terminal it makes no sense
[01:05] <TJ-> clyp: in neyder's example above, the 1st three positions are for user, the 2nd set of three for group, and the last three for 'others'
[01:05] <clyp> yeah I get that <TJ->
[01:05] <TJ-> clyp: do some "ls -l" on directories and look at the various permissions files have
[01:05] <oerheks> iAnonGuy, no, wayland will be default
[01:06] <neyder> TJ-: r→4 | w→2 | x→1
[01:06] <TJ-> clyp: executables will have the 'x' permission, directories use 'x' to indicate you can navigate through them (descend is the word often used)
[01:06] <iAnonGuy> Ah okay.  Will have to switch to a different distro since my laptop goes from "wow, such performance!" to "well... this is unusable" with wayland
[01:06] <CuriousMind_> neyder: installed and upgraded
[01:06] <TJ-> neyder: right, that's what I said above
[01:06] <clyp> we haven't covered the executable side of things yet just the read and write I'm trying to learn
[01:06] <oerheks> iAnonGuy, good luck then, at some point they all will switch
[01:07] <neyder> CuriousMind_: run wireshark with sudo, or add your user to group wireshark
[01:07] <iAnonGuy> There's always Windows 10 :-/
[01:07] <clyp> I get what the r w and x are just dunno how to change the permissions that's all
[01:07] <TJ-> clyp: which brings you back to chmod :)
[01:08] <neyder> iAnonGuy: there will be always xubuntu lubuntu, just install (x/l)ubuntu-desktop and remove ubuntu-desktop
[01:08] <Greeley> clyp, yep chmod is the command to "change mode"
[01:08] <clyp> aaaah now I get you
[01:09] <oerheks> neyder, would that solve his wayland question ?
[01:09] <CuriousMind_> neyder: "sudo wireshark" to run the program?
[01:09] <TJ-> clyp: chmod and chown are often used together to change both permissions and ownership of files
[01:09] <CuriousMind_> neyder: can you teach me how to add my user to the group wireshark?
[01:09] <neyder> clyp: with chmod  r w x you use to add + or del - some especific permission , with number 644 yo put *that permission*
[01:09] <clyp> I'm reading about chown right now but it's not said anything about chmod
[01:10] <TJ-> clyp: no, they're often used together but they do different operations
[01:10] <neyder> oerheks: wayland is default for ubuntu-desktop, lubuntu and xubuntu teams has its own agendas
[01:10] <CuriousMind_> oerheks: I am checking out this page about the drivers and stuff but I don't really understand a thing
[01:11] <iAnonGuy> i'll check that
[01:11] <neyder> CuriousMind_: yup run that, and you can check in config → users → groups to do that
[01:11] <Greeley> CuriousMind_, usermod -G group username
[01:11] <neyder> clyp: chown changes owner not permissions
[01:11] <CuriousMind_> neyder: thank you very much, I appreciate the help
[01:11] <CuriousMind_> Greeley: thank you
[01:12] <Greeley> no prob just make sure the G is capital
[01:12] <clyp> chmod u+rwx file.c << like so ?
[01:12] <CuriousMind_> Greeley: will do.  By the way "usermod -G group <username>?" right?
[01:12] <neyder> clyp: yes, like that
[01:13] <Greeley> Curiousmind_ yup so usermod -G wireshark username
[01:13] <aloo_shu> clyp something like this for taking it in in bits: http://it-ebooks.info/book/5690/
 see that's what I was trying to get
[01:13] <CuriousMind_> got it, thank you guys
[01:13]  * neyder afk
 it says buy but there is no price
[01:15] <clyp> £25 from amazon I'm sure we get this material free in our course
[01:15] <aloo_shu> no download?
[01:15] <clyp> nope purchase only
[01:15] <aloo_shu> things change..
[01:15] <aloo_shu> I have v.2 as pdf
[01:15] <Greeley> it's probably free somewhere, allegedly
[01:16] <clyp> Downloading is temporarily unavailable!
[01:16] <oaulakh> anyone know why this error http://paste.ubuntu.com/25589670/
[01:17] <CuriousMind_> usermod: group 'wireshark' does not exist
[01:17] <Greeley> oaulakh, you don't have node in your path
[01:17] <CuriousMind_> this is after I did usermod -G wireshark username
[01:18] <oaulakh> how to do it?
 you can ddownload the pdf free here.... ( http://inf.ocs.ku.ac.th/Download/Wiley.Linux.Command.Line.and.Shell.Scripting.Bible.May.2008.pdf )
[01:18] <oaulakh> Greeley, how can i do it?
[01:19] <Greeley> you can create a symlink using this "ls -s /usr/bin/nodejs /usr/bin/node
[01:19] <CuriousMind_> I did "sudo wireshark" and the program opened but I got an error
[01:19] <Greeley> ignore that
[01:19] <Greeley> oaulakh "ln -s /usr/bin/nodejs /usr/bin/node"
[01:19] <oerheks> clyp,  please do not post illegal stuff here
 sorry I didn't know it was illegal
[01:20] <Greeley> clyp, it's piracy my dude
[01:20] <oaulakh> Greeley, thanks bro!
[01:20] <Greeley> oaulakh, no problem
[01:20] <clyp> its on a free academic website though
[01:21] <Greeley> clyp, no way for us to know you posted the direct download link.
[01:22] <clyp> sorry I'll watch what I post
[01:22] <aloo_shu> clyp try it then, it is a good reference. I have 2nd edition already
[01:22] <oerheks> aloo_shu, you too, don't post.
 I'm having a read through it just now seems a bit advanced for what I'm studying just now
[01:22] <aloo_shu> illegality was probably what forced the domain I linked to to change
[01:23] <CuriousMind_> A window which says "  Lua: Error during loading: [string "/usr/share/wireshark/init.lua":44: dofile has been disabled due to running Wireshark as superuser. See https://wiki.wireshark.org/ CaptureSetup/CapturePriviliges for help in running Wireshark as an unprivileged user.  "
[01:23] <iAnonGuy> any potential problems with conflicts (headers/libraries) installing clang/llvm/lldb on a box with gcc installed?
[01:23] <CuriousMind_> That is my error after I ran "sudo wireshark" for the first time
[01:23] <CuriousMind_> I'm going to check out the website as it says
 try just typing wireshark without sudo
[01:25] <CuriousMind_> clyp: ok so close wireshark, go to terminal and type wireshark w/o sudo?
[01:25] <clyp> yeah
[01:25] <clyp> might not do a thing but worth a try
[01:25] <clyp> I've never really used sudo alwas done installations straight from root
[01:26] <clyp> always*
[01:26] <CuriousMind_> clyp: Ok so I got something in terminal which says...
[01:26] <Greeley> it's not considered safe you can use sudo -i to get an elevated terminal
[01:27] <aloo_shu> clyp I think I see what you want to do and why permissions matter. Read the instructions for wireshark. It wants a very peculiar setup to run
[01:27] <Schnabeltierchen> i tried to write myself an init.d script but i think i have an error... https://nopaste.linux-dev.org/?1161917 may someone have a look at it?
[01:27] <crepinjones> CuriousMind_: i get same error, just ignore it. use sudo wireshark to start
[01:28] <CuriousMind_> clyp: This is said in red "  Void DBusMenuExporterPrivate::addAction(QAction*, int): Already tracking action"" under id 190  "
 I'm sure I'll get around to that as the course progresses
[01:28] <CuriousMind_> clyp: This is said in red "  Void DBusMenuExporterPrivate::addAction(QAction*, int): Already tracking action"" under id 191  "
[01:28] <CuriousMind_> crepinjones: Ok thank you
[01:28] <CuriousMind_> clyp: Oh you use wireshark too?
[01:29] <aloo_shu> clyp as far as I remember, there are two parts of the program, and running one with and another one without root privileges is considered te safest. one part will refuse running if wrongly configured, I think the part that should *not* be run as root. the details are on wireshark-s website
[01:29] <clyp> maybe ./wireshark then ?
[01:29] <Greeley> aloo_shu, clyp isn't the one trying to run wireshark it's curiousmind_
[01:31] <CuriousMind_> I'm going to start using wireshark, I appreciate the help
 have a read at this... ( https://wiki.wireshark.org/CaptureSetup/CapturePrivileges ) this should help you out
[01:31] <aloo_shu> oh, I got confused then. so Greely , somebody tell CuriousMind then, I am out, not my most concentrated day
[01:31] <CuriousMind_> clyp: I don't know if I will understand it, but I'll try to take a look at it. Thanks
[01:33] <Greeley> aloo_shu I think everything is sorted chatroom got messy
[01:34] <clyp> see how mkdir dir1 dir2 dir3 creates 3 directories is there an easy way to move 3 directories to the 1 with a similar command ?
[01:35] <clyp> i know that mvdir1 would move directory 1
[01:35] <clyp> sorry for all the beginner questions here
[01:36] <smm> for tmp in dir1 dir2 dir3; do mv $tmp destdir; done
[01:36] <clyp> thanks <smm>
[01:37] <Greeley> clyp, you can also use mv -v dir1 dir2 /path/to/destination
[01:37] <clyp> verbose
[01:38] <clyp> I remember verbose from the old windows dos prompt
[01:38] <Greeley> yeah just to be sure ;)
[01:39] <CuriousMind_> clyp: Ok so I am reading this and from what I understand...I need to run wireshark on an account which can capture
[01:39] <CuriousMind_> clyp: I am looking at the "GNU/Linux distributions" section
[01:39] <clyp> I seen that <CuriousMind> not 100% sure what that means
[01:40] <CuriousMind_> clyp: I don't understand but I am trying to. As far as I am concerned, I believe that I could use the software now
[01:41] <clyp> without error ?
[01:42] <CuriousMind_> clyp: Didn't try yet, one second
[01:42] <Greeley> CuriousMind_, it's strongly advised to capture packets as root and analyze logs as a regular user
[01:43] <CuriousMind_> Greeley: I have no idea how to do that, I need help
[01:43] <CuriousMind_> I can't click capture in wireshark, it is not working
[01:43] <CuriousMind_> "usermod -G group username" isn't working for me
[01:44] <Greeley> I'm not sure how to use wireshark either honestly,  what exactly are you trying to do with it?
[01:45] <CuriousMind_> Wireshark - Can't open recent file "/home/julius/.config/wireshark/recent": Permission denied.
[01:45] <CuriousMind_> Greeley: It's for my homework
[01:46] <Greeley> curiousMind_ how late are you staying up I'm on mobile now and won't be home for around 2 hours
[01:46] <Greeley> curiousmind_ but if you planned on staying up I'd be more than willing to help you
[01:47] <CuriousMind_> Greeley: I am going to stay up all night I think because I gotta get this homework done
[01:47] <CuriousMind_> Greeley: I really appreciate that you are willing to help me
[01:48] <Greeley> curiousmind_ alright for now try "chmod -R 777 /home/Julius/.config/wireshark/recent"
[01:48] <Greeley> and try to open it again
[01:48] <CuriousMind_> Greeley: Ok I have two questions
[01:49] <Greeley> sure
[01:49] <CuriousMind_> Greeley: one, what does the command do?
[01:49] <CuriousMind_> Greeley: Two, how do you know my name lol? Did I say it?
[01:49] <aloo_shu> CuriousMind Greely I break my word and jump into the middle of the conversation again: from symptoms it looks like wireshark, against recommendation, was doing it's firstrun as root and hence has established the config files in the home directory as owned by root. now, when attempting to run it correctly, it cannot opn the config file
[01:49] <Greeley> the command will change the permissions of the recent file to read write execute for all users
[01:49] <Greeley> no curious lol you posted the error with your name in it
[01:50] <CuriousMind_> Greeley: LOL ok I am sorry
[01:50] <Greeley> and correct aloo_shu it was run as root first time
[01:50] <CuriousMind_> Greeley: I am so foolish, ok back to the terminal. One second
[01:51] <Greeley> you may need to sudo that command, CuriousMind_ if it doesn't work instead of retyping it just run "sudo !!"
[01:51] <Greeley> sudo !! runs the previously run command as root
[01:52] <clyp> I feel his pain
[01:52] <clyp> I really do lol
[01:52] <Greeley> if only you guys used Ubuntu without systemd I'm probably one of the few who likes systemd
[01:53] <Greeley> sysvinit was a pain
[01:53] <clyp> getting int chmod and chown now theres rhood
[01:53] <CuriousMind_> Greeley: Ok one second
[01:53] <aloo_shu> It would probably be wisest to delete/rename/move elsewhere the config files and dir of wireshark to force it to write them afresh
[01:53] <CuriousMind_> Greeley: cannot access
[01:53] <CuriousMind_> Greeley: no such file or directory
[01:54] <Greeley> mind walking home through that aloo_shu have to go fuel a plane
[01:54] <Greeley> him* not home
[01:56] <CuriousMind_> Greeley: What should I do now? It doesn't work
[01:57] <clyp> hes off fueling a plane
[01:57] <aloo_shu> cd /homejulius/.config; mv wireshark wireback
[01:57] <CuriousMind_> oh ok no problem
[01:57] <CuriousMind_> aloo_shu: ok thanks
[01:57] <aloo_shu> and start wireshark again. my 2ct
[01:58] <shug> my name is registered
[01:58] <shug> someone registered my name :(
[01:58] <CuriousMind_> aloo_shu: wait it worked
[01:59] <aloo_shu> hooray
[01:59] <CuriousMind_> aloo_shu: "sudo chmod -R 777 /home/julius/.config/wireshark/recent" I changed the j to lowercase
[01:59] <CuriousMind_> aloo_shu: I typed that in and nothing appears after it in the terminal
[02:00] <shug> I really need to understand this chmod with the numbers after it
[02:00] <CuriousMind_> aloo_shu: Should I still follow the commands that you just gave me?
[02:00] <shug> try it 1st
[02:00] <CuriousMind_> shug are you talking to me?
[02:00] <shug> yeah
[02:00] <CuriousMind_> shug: ok no problem
[02:00] <shug> if it works without using the commands <aloo_shu> gave you then no need
[02:00] <Greeley> plane got pushed back 7 minutes I assume shug is clyp?
[02:00] <shug> if not
[02:01] <shug> revert back to the commands  posted
[02:01] <shug> yeah
[02:01] <aloo_shu> CuriousMind no terminal output means the command executed without error. Can you start wireshark now
[02:01] <CuriousMind_> ok one second
[02:01] <shug> << my real name
[02:01] <CuriousMind_> aloo_shu: sure
[02:01] <shug> I'm too old for "internet handles" feels strange
[02:02] <CuriousMind_> aloo_shu: This is said in red "  Void DBusMenuExporterPrivate::addAction(QAction*, int): Already tracking action"" under id 190  "
[02:02] <CuriousMind_> shug: and "  Void DBusMenuExporterPrivate::addAction(QAction*, int): Already tracking action"" under id 191  " in terminal
[02:02] <Greeley> shug, I've had Greeley for who knows how long.
[02:03] <shug> I've had clip since msn chat rooms and yahoo chat rooms back in 1996
[02:03] <shug> clyp*
[02:04] <shug> had the email clyp@hotmail.com and some spaniard hacked it and microsoft wont give it back
[02:04] <bazhang> !ot | shug
[02:04] <bazhang> lets get back to strictly topical here
[02:04] <shug> what happened there ^^
[02:04] <Toba> It's a bot, explaining the rules of the channel.
[02:05] <Toba> bazhang triggered it, and he's right.
[02:05] <aloo_shu> CuriousMind normal desktop users start programs through the menu. if you start them from a terminal, the program will output lines about what it is doing, errors that are not so important, etc., to the same terminal. The
[02:05] <bazhang> shug this is not the chit chat chennel
[02:05] <shug> keep it ubuntu or leave ?
[02:05] <CuriousMind_> I still can't capture
[02:05] <bazhang> shug keep it strictly topical
[02:06] <shug> me and <Greeley> were on the topic of internet handles
[02:06] <shug> I get what you mean and I will keep it topical
[02:06] <bazhang> shug which has no bearing on ubuntu support whatsoever
[02:06] <shug> I know
[02:06] <shug> apologies
[02:08] <shug> chown changes the ownership to files ?
[02:08] <shug> chmod allows modification
[02:09] <CuriousMind_> shug: Sorry?
[02:10] <CuriousMind_> I am watching this video to help me through the process. I am at 1:17 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcLrcnx8umM
[02:10] <aloo_shu> CuriousMind did you follow the flow outlined at wiki.wireshark.org/CaptureSetup ? if yes, my ne apart from the capture program itself needing privileges, your wifi adaper may need some preparation or not even be able to capture, depending on capture mode.
 I have to keep it topical so as I was reading through my sheets I was making sure I had the right understanding of chmod and chown
[02:12] <CuriousMind_> aloo_shu: No I don't think so
[02:13] <CuriousMind_> aloo_shu: Ok so under "Setting network privileges for dumpcap if your kernel and file system support file capabilities"
[02:15] <aloo_shu> what are the instructions for that case ? probably they are the right ones
[02:17] <geigerCounter> Hello! I need some assistance upgrading from 14.04 LTS to 16.04 LTS via terminal for my ubuntu server
[02:18] <CuriousMind_> aloo_shu: 1. Ensure that you have installed the necessary tools, such as the setcap command.
[02:18] <CuriousMind_> 2. setcap 'CAP_NET_RAW+eip CAP_NET_ADMIN+eip' /usr/sbin/dumpcap (NOTE: Replace /usr/sbin with /usr/bin in case you receive an error that indicates that dumpcap isn't in /usr/sbin)
[02:18] <sourceslayer> Hey, I have an older computer running ubuntu and I can't seem to remember the password, how do I get in?
[02:18] <sourceslayer> I didn't encrypt the harddrive.
[02:19] <geigerCounter> The guides I found are only for doing so by the graphical tools and I'd rather not have to install a bunch of libraries I don't need and forwarding X over the open internet. ( Even though I'd be doing so with ssh. )
[02:19] <aloo_shu> CuriousMind setcap should have come with installing through package manager, the way to make sure is
[02:19] <aloo_shu> whereis setcap
[02:20] <Bashing-om> sourceslayer: You do not : Here are easy instructions to reset your password in Ubuntu: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/resetpassword .
[02:20] <aloo_shu> sorry dumpcap , not setcap (confused)
[02:20] <sourceslayer> Bashing-om: Thank you
[02:21] <CuriousMind_> aloo_shu: I did something different just now
[02:21] <Bashing-om> sourceslayer: :)
[02:21] <aloo_shu> CuriousMind so whereis dumpcap will tell you if dumpcap is installed
[02:23] <CuriousMind_> aloo_shu: ok, one second. Before I do that, I did these commands
[02:24] <CuriousMind_> aloo_shu: aloo_shu: I did "sudo dpkg-configure wireshark-common" -> a window pops up and I select YES, then I did "sudo adduser $USER wireshark"
[02:24] <CuriousMind_> aloo_shu: following this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcLrcnx8umM, 1:17
[02:26] <CuriousMind_> aloo_shu: I did "whereis dumpcap" and I got /usr/bin/dumpcap /usr/share/man/man1/dumpcap.1.gz
[02:27] <sourceslayer> Bashing-om: I get "Authentication token manipulation error"
[02:28] <aloo_shu> the first is the path to the dumpcap binary, which you need to know if you want to change its permissions. The second is dumpcaps manpage. type 'man man' to learn what that means, 'man whereis' if you need to learn what that particular command did..
[02:29] <aloo_shu> but hopefully and probably all is solved by now
[02:30] <CuriousMind_> aloo_shu: Ok I see, thank you. One second please
[02:30] <CuriousMind_> aloo_shu: I'm going to get some food be right back
[02:31] <aloo_shu> CuriousMind it's late for me, so I wont promise to stay
[02:31] <Bashing-om> sourceslayer: At what point ? booted in recovery mode, and have reset / to read-write ?
[02:34] <sourceslayer> Bashing-om: Apparently it was booted in read-only, so I ran "mount -o remount,rw /" and apparently it worked
[02:35] <Bashing-om> sourceslayer: :) .
[02:35] <xz> tomreyn: I have Ubuntu 16.04.3 - it booted
[02:42] <sourceslayer> Bashing-om: Thanks a lot, oodnight
[02:42] <sourceslayer> goodnight
[02:44] <Bashing-om> sourceslayer: NP .  Later .
[02:56] <CuriousMind_> aloo_shu: I am back
[02:57] <aloo_shu> CuriousMind and I'm still not in bed. but all works for you now, doesn't it?
[02:59] <CuriousMind_> aloo_shu: I can capture packets now!
[03:00] <aloo_shu> your neigbours are doomed
[03:00] <CuriousMind_> aloo_shu: I don't understand
[03:02] <CuriousMind_> aloo_shu: I clicked on "enpos3", I don't know what that is
[03:03] <aloo_shu> CuriousMind bad joke. arguably, a good part of the folks using like wireshark, do so with the intention of
[03:04] <CuriousMind_> aloo_shu: i dont care what other people do, not my business
[03:04] <aloo_shu> eventually being able to log onto their neighbous' wlans
[03:05] <aloo_shu> and shouldn't be mine, neither, agreed
[03:05] <CuriousMind_> aloo_shu: that's wrong, I shall respect people's privacy. I am here to learn what I need to learn, that is it
[03:06] <CuriousMind_> aloo_shu: i understand what you mean though
[03:07] <aloo_shu> let's rectify: speculate on otherfolks intentions is what I coukld as well live without
[03:07] <CuriousMind_> aloo_shu: no, it is good to see into the motives of others. That is good, that is healthy
[03:08] <CuriousMind_> aloo_shu: at least that is how I function. If you don't see through people, you'll become their victim. Helping evil, etc
[03:08] <aloo_shu> seeing yes, - as opposed to speculating :)
[03:08] <CuriousMind_> ok let me stop, not trying to sound like a preacher. Back to wireshark
[03:08] <CuriousMind_> aloo_shu: right
[03:09] <aloo_shu> enpos3 is chinese to me, too
[03:09] <CuriousMind_> aloo_shu: I see
[03:10] <bazhang> aloo_shu, it's the new naming convention since systemd for NIC
[03:12] <Greeley> curiousmind_ still here?
[03:13] <aloo_shu> CuriousMind is, Greeley
[03:13] <CuriousMind_> Greeley: yes, I am here
[03:13] <CuriousMind_> Greeley: I went to get something to eat, I am back
[03:13] <Muyfret> how many people test and review the last dev's submitted update to a package
[03:14] <Greeley> CuriousMind_ everything working for you?
[03:14] <CuriousMind_> Greeley: yes sir, thanks for asking. Now I gotta learn what this wireshark thing is all about
[03:15] <CuriousMind_> Greeley:  aloo_shu was telling me how I'll be able to get LAN passwords from neighbors and stuff and I told aloo_shu that I didn't care cause that's not my business
[03:15] <Greeley> CuriousMind_ good stuff! I'll spin up a vm and check it out
[03:15] <CuriousMind_> Greeley: ok cool :)
[03:15] <Greeley> CuriousMind_ it's only fun if you make sure to let your neighbors know their network is vulnerable ( and ask permission first)
[03:16] <CuriousMind_> Greeley: fair enough, but still I haven't even thought about that. I don't know what this wireshark thing is about or the capabilities
[03:16] <aloo_shu> errrh I limited myself to saying 'your neighbours are doomed' when you said you can capture now..
[03:17] <Muyfret> source/destination ips, ports, and protocol information. and the actual bytes of packets. but only those between where wireshark is installed that arrive/leave from where wireshark is installed to elsewhere.
[03:17] <Greeley> aloo_shu no biggy I doubt many in here are criminals if any
[03:18] <CuriousMind_> Muyfret: I see
[03:18] <Muyfret> does anyone know if the big-name packages like ntp, thunderbird, and samba are double checked before pushing out a dev's latest update
[03:19] <CuriousMind_> Muyfret: Ok I have a question
[03:19] <Muyfret> CuriousMind what?
[03:19] <CuriousMind_> Muyfret: I remember one time a teacher had said to go to the browser and search a website then info started coming in wireshark
[03:20] <CuriousMind_> Can you explain that
[03:20] <aloo_shu> CuriousMind so what actually *is* your outlook to wireshark?
[03:20] <CuriousMind_> aloo_shu: It is a software used to capture packets on a network?
[03:20] <Muyfret> if you capture from your network interface in use to do the search, then yes you'll see information related to the search. but if https is in use it will be encrypted
[03:21] <CuriousMind_> Muyfret: Oh right I see. I am trying to think of the OSI model and how the NIC is the data link layer I think
[03:22] <CuriousMind_> or is it the physical layer? I don't remember. I'm trying to make sense of all of this while referencing class notes
[03:22] <aloo_shu> But still you could see *some* info if capturing other traffic, like headers, comtrol protocol
[03:23] <CuriousMind_> I see aloo_shu
[03:23] <CuriousMind_> Ok another question so
[03:24] <CuriousMind_> in wireshark, each line is each transmission or is it each packet?
[03:24] <CuriousMind_> I am trying to understand
[03:24] <aloo_shu> wireshark could allow you to follow how one layer is encapsulated in an other, to some extent
[03:24] <CuriousMind_> aloo_shu: I see
[03:25] <aloo_shu> and then it depends which window. I think you can open one for packecets, try clicking a line
[03:27] <CuriousMind_> aloo_shu: ok sure
[03:27] <aloo_shu> the nifty part is that you can filter what you are shown, and have tools to make sense of many protocols that otherwise you would just see raw bytes of
[03:27] <CuriousMind_> Greeley: Are you up yet Greeley?
[03:28] <Greeley> CuriousMind_ nope got distracted lol one minute
[03:28] <CuriousMind_> aloo_shu: I see
[03:28] <CuriousMind_> Greeley: no prob
[03:28] <Greeley> CuriousMind_ guess I disabled VT-x in bios brb
[03:29] <aloo_shu> one thing you could do in monitor or promiscuous mode, is following the handshake when e.g. your phone is connecting to your router
[03:31] <CuriousMind_> aloo_shu: uhhh
[03:31] <CuriousMind_> aloo_shu: Ok so search something on my phone, wireshark will pick it up, then I'll be able to look at the packets?
[03:33] <aloo_shu> yes, you will, but you will not be able to make anything of them, because most likely the higher layer is encrypted with wpa2 or what your router uses
[03:33] <aloo_shu> that is precisely *why* it is encrypted
[03:34] <CuriousMind_> aloo_shu: I see
[03:34] <CuriousMind_> aloo_shu: yes I see, I have seen wpa2 on a router before but I never knew what that was
[03:35] <aloo_shu> \
[03:35] <aloo_shu> plus, the packet itself might be doubly encrypted, becouse your connection over the internet is ssl encrypted, i.e. you're loading a https site
[03:35] <CuriousMind_> aloo_shu: I see
[03:36] <CuriousMind_> aloo_shu: two questions
[03:36] <CuriousMind_> aloo_shu: one, these protocols are just pieces of code which have their designated purposes in this whole web thing like the OSI model
[03:37] <aloo_shu> mind you, I barely know enough about tcp/ip and layers to throw around a few words
[03:37] <CuriousMind_> yes I see
[03:38] <CuriousMind_> aloo_shu: two, can you explain the whole encryption thing? So I won't be able to read certain info in the packet? Is that what the encryption does
[03:39] <aloo_shu> a protocol isn't code, I'd say. a protocal defines how data is getting formatted, e.g. first two bytes: tell length of packet, byt 3 and 4: some header, jus an example. if both sides use the same protocol, the information is understood
[03:40] <CuriousMind_> aloo_shu: Ah I see, I understand
[03:41] <CuriousMind_> aloo_shu: Yeah that makes sense. A protocol is a standard, it is making sense in my mind a little
[03:41] <aloo_shu> there are protocols on how to agree on a protocol, since both ends do not necessarily know that at the start
[03:41] <Greeley> alright CuriousMind_ I'm setup with wireshark installed, what are we doing here?
[03:41] <CuriousMind_> aloo_shu: yes I heard about such things
[03:42] <CuriousMind_> Greeley: you lead, I don't know. I am trying to learn
[03:42] <CuriousMind_> Greeley: You said we can connect right?
[03:42] <Greeley> curiousMind_ what do you mean connect? and you said it was  homework so I assume you have some task
[03:43] <CuriousMind_> Greeley: Oh right. Ok I'll show you my homework, one second please
[03:43] <aloo_shu> Greely, I am trying to give CuriousMind a primer for what appears to be his homework. As soon as serious support is going on here, I'm ready to move to #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:44] <CuriousMind_> aloo_shu: aw don't leave us :(
[03:45] <CuriousMind_> I'm trying to upload this microsoft word file so you guys can see
[03:45] <aloo_shu> aaaargh, you would *also* join channel #ubuntu-offtopic, and we could continue without annoying, if that were the case
[03:45] <CuriousMind_> I didn't even start yet and this wireshark took hours to install
[03:45] <CuriousMind_> it's due tomorrow or in 15 minutes
[03:47] <aloo_shu> paste.ubuntu.com is easier
[03:47] <CuriousMind_> aloo_shu: thank you, one second
[03:47] <CuriousMind_> I was doing google drive
[03:49] <CuriousMind_> aloo_shu: Greeley http://paste.ubuntu.com/25590311/
[03:49] <CuriousMind_> There was an image but it couldn't go in
[03:49] <CuriousMind_> An image from the word document
[03:50] <aloo_shu> anyway, two: let's try this: you have a book, you can see the page numbers, but the letters of the text are garbled-you cannot read them, unless you have a key: an a stands for a t, an i means a u, etc. this is over-over-over simplified for what encryption means
[03:50] <ktonga> hey people, name resolution with default config is not always working and i was hoping somebody here could help me
[03:51] <ktonga> with default config nslookup doesn't work, resolv.conf has nameserver 127.0.1.1 but dnsmasq is not running
[03:51] <Greeley> wow broke my kubuntu install in record time
[03:52] <ktonga> if i configure dns=dnsmasq in NetworkManager.conf it is started and nslookup works
[03:52] <aloo_shu> CuriousMind, please type the following: /join #ubuntu-offtopic . see you there
[03:52] <ktonga> but then when i connect to a VPN name resolution for the vpn doesnt work, but it does for default config
[03:53] <CuriousMind_> aloo_shu: ok
[03:53] <ktonga> is therer any recommended config so that nslookup and vpn work both at the same time? :)
[04:01] <swift110-phone> hey
[05:57]  * MrHooper knocks on the window.
[05:57] <MrHooper> guess everybody is sleeping
[06:36] <Matsu_> Any way to increase partition size without a live usb or dual boot
[06:36] <hateball> Matsu_: resize2fs
[06:37] <hateball> wait, partition size, or the filesystem size?
[06:37] <Matsu_> I mean like
[06:37] <hateball> probably need more details here
[06:37] <Matsu_> I want to increase my /
[06:37] <Matsu_> So I had a dual boot and ended up making the root partition way too small. Not I formatted my other OS from the dual boot and want to put that size into use with my / partition
[06:38] <Matsu_> But it has to be mounted because it's the only os on the machine
[06:38] <Matsu_> So I can't unmount the same partition that would do the resizing
[06:38] <Matsu_> Or can i
[06:40] <hateball> Well there is 'growpart' but I've never used that
[06:40] <hateball> You'd need to reboot anyhow as I understand it
[06:41] <Matsu_> Yeah
[06:41] <Matsu_> Maybe I'll wait a couple of days so I get my live usb back
[06:42] <hateball> There's also resizepart, but I havent used that on a live thing either
[06:44] <hateball> it should be possible with "partresize /dev/sda 1 && resize2fs /dev/sda1" assuming that's the partition you want to change
[06:44] <hateball> but that will also just gobble up all available adjacent space to the partition
[06:45] <hateball> livebooting and using something like gparted is nicer imo :D
[06:48] <Matsu_> yeah
[06:48] <Matsu_> I'll just wait until I get my usb back then
[06:52] <aib> raspi-config seems to use parted and resize2fs: https://github.com/RPi-Distro/raspi-config/blob/master/raspi-config#L112
[08:35] <maja> any one recomend a good graphical sql work bench that connects with m$sql ?
[08:35] <kristhian> try adminer
[08:41] <keepguessing> I am running into this screen https://i.stack.imgur.com/AiwJH.png
[08:42] <keepguessing> and then see black screen.
[08:48] <EriC^^> keepguessing: do you get anything if you press ctrl+alt+f1 or f2?
[08:49] <peet> from where
[08:50] <maja> kristhian: danki :)
[08:54] <keepguessing> @Eric
[08:54] <keepguessing> Sorry I am using adium client right now to connect to irc. I am not used to it.
[08:55] <keepguessing> @EriC^^ I cannot do the keys you mentioned. In a VM and the keyboard is not getting detected cleanly.
[08:56] <EriC^^> keepguessing: try right-ctrl + f2
[08:56] <keepguessing> @EriC^^ I am on mac.
[08:56] <keepguessing> ok ctrl alt f1 helped
[08:57] <keepguessing> i am on a prompt
[08:57] <keepguessing> EriC^^: ^^^^
[08:59] <EriC^^> keepguessing: ok, is this a virtualbox vm?
[08:59] <kristhian> what's a danki?
[09:00] <EriC^^> kristhian: i think it's thank you in german
[09:00] <kristhian> aw
[09:00] <kristhian> ok
[09:00] <keepguessing> EriC^^: I was about to reach the shell
[09:00] <kristhian> np
[09:00] <keepguessing> EriC^^: its a Fusion vm
[09:01] <CuriousMind_> why can't I press options for wireshark in ubuntu?
[09:01] <EriC^^> keepguessing: ok, is there some sort of guest additions iso you can "insert" ?
[09:02] <EriC^^> keepguessing: also, run "cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | nc termbin.com 9999" in the shell
[09:04] <keepguessing> EriC^^:  http://termbin.com/yf2v
[09:05] <keepguessing> @EriC^^ what do you mean by guest edition iso?
[09:05] <keepguessing> like a live cd?
[09:06] <EriC^^> keepguessing: no, virtualbox has a virtualcd you can insert that has the graphics drivers and whatnot
[09:06] <keepguessing> @EriC^^ yes fusion has a virtual cdrom
[09:06] <EriC^^> keepguessing: ok, did you run the current one from the recovery option in grub?
[09:07] <keepguessing> @EriC^^ plus I have network on this promt, I can dowload the drivers right?
[09:07] <keepguessing> @EriC^^ yes
[09:07] <keepguessing> using the ctrl alt f1
[09:08] <EriC^^> keepguessing: ok, try going in vmware to system > administration > hardware drivers
[09:10] <EriC^^> keepguessing: ok, apparently this package should have the driver, xserver-xorg-video-vmware
[09:10] <EriC^^> keepguessing: try "dpkg -l xserver-xorg-video-vmware"
[09:14] <keepguessing> ok trying to install.
[09:15] <keepguessing> @EriC^^ thanks it worked
[09:17] <EriC^^> keepguessing: great, no problem
[09:28] <CuriousMind_> can someone help me with my homework? I am using wireshark in a virtual box that is running ubuntu 16.04
[09:33] <keepguessing> EriC^^: can you enlighten me how you figured it out?
[09:34] <EriC^^> keepguessing: i searched on google about the graphics and vmware and ubuntu not working
[09:35] <EriC^^> :)
[09:37] <keepguessing> EriC^^: ah okies thanks.
[09:37] <EriC^^> keepguessing: no problem :)
[09:55] <Promille> Hi! My Lenovo Thinkpad T410 running 16.04 freezes sporadically, and doesn't recover until i restart it. Anyone have any idea what coud cause this, or what log files to examine?
[09:56] <Promille> could*
[09:56] <EriC^^> Promille: take a look at /var/log/syslog
[09:56] <EriC^^> !sysrq | Promille might come in handy when it freezes
[09:56] <Promille> EriC^^: thank you. im looking at it now. anything particular to look for?
[09:56] <Ben64> needs to be enabled for those to work
[09:56] <EriC^^> Promille: look for any line with error or "call trace"
[09:57] <EriC^^> Ben64: the s and u and b are enabled by default
[09:57] <EriC^^> sync unmount and remount read only and reboot
[09:57] <Ben64> all the good ones are disabled
[09:58] <Promille> EriC^^: thank you
[09:58] <EriC^^> those are the good ones, what are the first i forget
[09:58] <EriC^^> Promille: no problem
[09:58] <Ben64> i think those are disabled too
[09:59] <EriC^^> no i mean the last 3 are the good ones, i think the first ones just disable peripherals or something
[10:00] <EriC^^> ah, r changes the keyboard to xlate mode, e and i are pretty useful, send sigterm and sigkill to all running processes
[10:00] <Ben64> "b" isn't working here
[10:01] <EriC^^> wonder why they disable the first 3
[10:01] <Ben64> could be abused i guess
[10:02] <EriC^^> yeah, but the last 3 are worse abusive-wise, especially the b
[10:02] <Ben64> b doesn't work either :D
[10:02] <EriC^^> works here
[10:03] <Ben64> might be my laptop's keyboard just being bad then
[10:03] <Ben64> i know it'd work on this computer since i re-enabled all of the sysrq keys
[10:07] <Promille> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25591546/ Regarding my freeze problem on 16.04. I will very much appriciate it if someone could take a quick look at a snippet of the syslog. For instance, I get quite few "valid eCryptfs headers not found in file header region [...]", but that's after I've restarted.
[10:07] <Promille> !sysre
[10:07] <Promille> !sysrq
[10:13] <c06> hi all anyone experience with haproxy and keepalive i need some suggestion regarding initial setup
[10:14] <c06> how many interface or network we need to make this
[10:14] <EriC^^> Promille: i dont see anything out of the ordinary in it
[10:15] <EriC^^> Promille: could you upload the entire log? (check the size with ls -lh /var/log/syslog and if it's not too big run "cat /var/log/syslog | nc termbin.com 9999"
[10:16] <EriC^^> Promille: also, take a look at ~/.xsession-errors for clues
[10:19] <Promille> EriC^^: Thank you. Is it ok I PM you the termbin-link?
[10:21] <EriC^^> Promille: you can share it here, there shouldn't be anything delicate in it
[10:21] <Promille> EriC^^: All right! http://termbin.com/zqxr
[10:28] <EriC^^> Promille: i think that's only the last 20 mins of using the pc
[10:29] <EriC^^> Promille: perhaps /var/log/syslog.1 has info when the pc froze
[10:32] <Promille> You're right, sorry. Here's from september 12th (syslog.1).  http://termbin.com/04j7
[10:32] <Promille> EriC^^:
[10:33] <gde33> is there some way to automatically close applications when the resources run out. I'm getting kinda bored with waiting for 30 min for file menues and x buttons to respond.
[10:35] <gde33> ideally I could specify which applications to get rid of when the destop freezes over.
[10:35] <bazhang> gde33, x-kill
[10:35] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[10:35] <gde33> bazhang: how to use that?
[10:35] <bazhang> gde33, typed in terminal, creats a small cross
[10:36] <EriC^^> Promille: nothing stands out, try "zgrep -C10 -Ei "call trace|segmentation" /var/log/syslog.*.gz | nc termbin.com 9999"
[10:37] <EriC^^> gde33: bazhang it's "xkill" no?
[10:37] <gde33> bazhang: then just click windows with it?
[10:37] <bazhang> gde33, yes
[10:38] <gde33> I would prefer if it just stuck to the system boundaries
[10:39] <gde33> is there any way for applications to behave themselves when the system is frozen?
[10:40] <gde33> I mean, programatically
[10:40] <bazhang> gde33, bug testing
[10:41] <gde33> it seem so noobish to have a dozen things decide to start doing resource heavy things all at the same time
[10:41] <bazhang> go through each scenario, try to repeat it
[10:41] <gde33> is there a way to have x-kill as a button on the top toolbar?
[10:43] <Promille> EriC^^: http://termbin.com/hs0c . It only appears to happen when i update my system (sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade). Could that be an indication of anything?
[10:49] <EriC^^> Promille: aha, could you upload the whole log? "zcat /var/log/syslog.2.gz | nc termbin.com 9999"
[10:50] <Promille> EriC^^: That command did not return any termbin-link.
[10:50] <EriC^^> Promille: you're saying while the command is running it happens?
[10:51] <Promille> EriC^^: Yes.
[10:51] <EriC^^> Promille: ok try "cat /var/log/apt/term.log | nc termbin.com 9999"
[10:51] <Promille> EriC^^: Now it did :) http://termbin.com/5k76
[10:52] <Promille> EriC^^: And heres for the /cat/var/... command http://termbin.com/bibm
[10:52] <gde33> oh there seem to be a lot of ideas in this area and lots of scripts. Are non of these worth including in ubuntu?
[10:54] <gde33> its like roads, you can put so many cars on it and it will work. Exceed the maximum and the whole thing grinds down to a halt.
[10:56] <EriC^^> Promille: no dist-upgrades in that log unfortunately, try "zcat /var/log/apt/term.log.1.gz | nc termbin.com 9999"
[10:56] <Promille> EriC^^: I will be home in 20-30 mins (at a cafe now and have to run unfortunately). OK we pick it up from there? And thanks alot for all the help!
[10:57] <krzyzaq> hello
[10:57] <EriC^^> Promille: ok, no problem
[11:02] <krzyzaq> I've a problem with script
[11:03] <EriC^^> !ask | krzyzaq
[11:03] <krzyzaq> https://gist.github.com/krzyzaq/01ca13febd9924dd149c06046d7e27d5
[11:04] <krzyzaq> the diff command doesn't return that the files are equal
[11:04] <yeeve> I'm struggling to update my DNS servers on 17.04. I tried setting them via the NetworkManager but they don't seem to be applied. Am I missing something?
[11:04] <yeeve> I'm confirming the change using this `nmcli -t -f IP4.DNS device show enp8s0`
[11:05] <krzyzaq> but they are equal
[11:05] <EriC^^> krzyzaq: if no one knows here try asking in #bash
[11:12] <mispp> anyone knows if pipewire will be included in followup releases of ubuntu? (asking because of wayland remoting)
[11:13] <Ediz> Hello, I'm trying to set up opendkim with sendmail to sign emails
[11:14] <Ediz> everything is installed and email is sending but my emails are not signed when I see the source of the email
[11:20] <Drakis> Eiz: did you already added your public key to your domain DNS?
[11:37] <Promille> EriC^^: Hi again! Last command you asked me to run (zcat /var/log/apt/term.log.1.gz | nc termbin.com 9999). Result: http://termbin.com/b67v
[11:37] <EriC^^> Promille: b
[11:37] <EriC^^> wb
[11:39] <Promille> EriC^^: I see I have term.log.1 to term.log.5. Do you want all?
[11:39] <Promille> EriC^^: Thanks. Also got history.log
[11:39] <EriC^^> Promille: no, let's try to make the problem happen somehow
[11:39] <EriC^^> Promille: are you using the latest kernel? try "uname -r"
[11:39] <EriC^^> latest is 96
[11:40] <Promille> 4.4.0-93
[11:40] <Promille> EriC^^:
[11:44] <jiffe> so I've got unattended upgrades turned on, looking at the timestamps on /var/log/unattended-upgrades/*.log it hasn't run since yesterday morning but I see files updated in /var/lib/apt/lists/ this morning
[11:44] <EriC^^> ok, great, open a terminal and type "sudo cat /dev/kmsg | nc termview.me 9"
[11:45] <jiffe> and apt-get upgrade is showing there are upgrades available
[11:45] <EriC^^> Promille: paste the link here, it will allow us to see the output of the logs and possibly catch it before the pc crashes
[11:46] <Promille> EriC^^: Awesome. Neat trick didn't know about termview.me. http://termview.me/tinf
[11:46] <EriC^^> Promille: also open another terminal and type "script -f >(nc termview.me 9)" and paste the link here, then in the same terminal run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  (after giving the link here)
[11:47] <EriC^^> note anything you type in that terminal will be displayed in the termview link til you type "exit"
[11:48] <Promille> EriC^^: http://termview.me/1yqv
[11:49] <Promille> EriC^^: can you see it? failed the first time, had synaptic open, runned it again
[11:49] <EriC^^> yeah, it's asking to update a lot of stuff!
[11:49] <EriC^^> that's odd
[11:50] <Promille> EriC^^: I tried to run the do-upgrade command a month ago, but it failed because it froze
[11:50] <Promille> EriC^^: Upgrade to 17.04
[11:50] <EriC^^> aha
[11:50] <EriC^^> i think you should possibly try to rerun it
[11:50] <EriC^^> seems like the system is in between or something
[11:51] <Promille> EriC^^: So CTRL-C this one?
[11:51] <EriC^^> Promille: yes ctrl+c, and in the same terminal type "lsb_release -ds"
[11:51] <EriC^^> also "cat /etc/apt/sources.list"
[11:51] <Promille> Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS
[11:52] <Promille> EriC^^: I assume you see that cat :)
[11:52] <EriC^^> nope, nothing
[11:52] <EriC^^> try cat /etc/apt/sources.list | nc termbin.com 9999
[11:53] <Promille> http://termbin.com/j9qv
[11:53] <EriC^^> Promille: yup, the sources have zesty
[11:55] <EriC^^> Promille: try "sudo do-release-upgrade"
[11:55] <Promille> want a new termview.me link if it doesnt work anymore?
[11:55] <EriC^^> Promille: sure why not
[11:56] <Promille> http://termview.me/7s9y
[11:58] <EriC^^> ok it loaded for me
[11:59] <jiffe> can anyone tell me what would update the apt lists besides unattended upgrades?  It looks like unattended upgrades haven't run yet today but the lists are updated and the only thing I see in cron is the unattended upgrades https://pb.jiffe.com/7o75uFRnoSZVLB8uxE5grg
[11:59] <EriC^^> Promille: looks like it's going well?
[11:59] <Promille> EriC^^: Yes :) Havent frozen yet
[11:59] <EriC^^> cool :)
[12:00] <EriC^^> jiffe: you mean the list of available packages?
[12:02] <jiffe> EriC^^: yeah
[12:09] <niko1990> Hello everyone =)
[12:11] <Promille> EriC^^: It froze
[12:11] <Promille> EriC^^: But suddenly unfroze. It has enver done that before
[12:12] <Promille> EriC^^: I tried the SysRq REISUB thing, maby that did something in the background, but I didn't notice anything visually
[12:21] <niko1990> I have a problem problem with a software raid. I already created one (md0) with mdadm around a year ago. Everything worked perfect. I wrote my one HowTo how I did that. Yesterday I created a second (md1) with this HowTo - everything perfekt (I did not do a reboot). Today I did and apt upgrade and after that a reboot - and then the Computer did not started anymore (something like "Timeout for dev/md1" - because I had i
[12:29] <EriC^^> Promille: aha, i'm back let me check the logs if it has anything
[12:33] <EriC^^> Promille: some dependency issues here and there nothing too drastic
[12:33] <Promille> EriC^^: Thanks :) It hasn't froze again. Lets hope it updates successfully, and that the kernel update fixes it.
[12:35] <JonelethIrenicus> when is the 4.15 kernel expected to hit ?
[12:35] <tenny-e> hi guys. how can i install php5.3 with apt-get the latest version i can is 5.6 but i need older
[12:36] <JonelethIrenicus> or is anyone going to apply the temprature patch for threadripper to ubuntu kernels?
[12:41] <Promille> tenny-e: Old releases are available here. http://in1.php.net/releases/ . Includes a lot of 5.3-releases
[12:42] <Promille> tenny-e: Normal procedure - "./configure", "make" and "sudo make install". Try doing it with checkinstall (sudo apt-get install checkinstall) to make it easier to manage with apt-get
[12:43] <Promille> tenny-e: You should also probably delete the versions of php you got now, but I have no idea what depends on it, so I can' guarantee it wont break anything
[12:46] <tenny-e> hmm im on 5.6 now but i want to downgrade to 5.3 . configure,  make , make install is hard for me . didnt work last time so i installed the module with apt-get install php from repository ppa:ondrej/php but he has only 5.6 as latest
[12:47] <Promille> tenny-e: I understand. Unfortunately I don't think 5.3 is in the repositories (available with apt-get from scratch).
[12:48] <EriC^^> Promille: yup
[12:49] <tenny-e> oh . thats not good :( because i configured , make , make install from scratch but i cant do it work with apache2 ...
[12:50] <tenny-e> when i php - v PHP 4.4.9 (cgi) (built: Sep 22 2017 12:27:39)
[12:50] <Promille> tenny-e: Why do you need 5.3 exactly? It's pretty old, and a good reason its not in any PPA anymore.
[12:51] <tenny-e> because of of register_globals is removed
[12:51] <Promille> tenny-e: So the only way would be to compile it from scratch I think. I now it can be a bit scary, but it rather simply actually.
[12:51] <Promille> !compile | tenny-e
[12:51] <Promille> !checkinstall | tenny-e
[12:54] <tenny-e> well thank your for your time :)
[12:55] <Promille> tenny-e: No problem :)
[12:55] <Promille> Just ask if you encounter any problems with checkinstall :)
[13:00] <tittyti> hi
[13:01] <tittyti> wheere is the $PATH defined, it's not in /etc/profile?
[13:01] <tittyti> so where is it ?
[13:02] <maxxer> anyone familiar with preseeding? I'm testing the image in Virtualbox and works fine, when I try on a real hardware it won't detect cdrom. it allows me to choose the language, first option of the menu, then it cannot find cdrom. in the second shell  I see /dev/sda but not the partitions
[13:06] <yeeve> `ip addr` and `ifconfig` show the device ID as enp8s0 but I can't ifup/ifdown it ... I'm using 17.04, am I missing something obvious? (sudo service networking restart didn't seem to help)
[13:09] <Piensken> hello, I am trying to get pulse vpn working but it crashes.. he tells me error while loading shared librarie: libgnome-keyring.so.o
[13:09] <Piensken> hello, I am trying to get pulse vpn working but it crashes.. he tells me error while loading shared librarie: libgnome-keyring.so.o
[13:09] <Promille> tittyti: It's in /etc/environment.
[13:10] <hateball> yeeve: "ip link set enp8s0 up" ?
[13:10] <dah85> Piensken, apt-get install libgnome-keyring
[13:11] <yeeve> aha hateball, that worked xD
[13:11] <hateball> yeeve: I am guessing ifup et al are deprecated and unaware of new interface namings
[13:11] <Piensken> dah85 E: can not find pakkage libgnome
[13:12] <dah85> libgnome-keyring
[13:12] <Piensken> yes
[13:12] <yeeve> hateball, that's fine but seems odd it's not documented anywhere. Been searching for ages on ways to refresh the connection to get the DNS changes picked up and 3-4 of the common examples don't do anything
[13:12] <dah85> what's your ubuntu version?
[13:12] <Piensken> dah85 can not find libgnome-keyring
[13:12] <Piensken> 17.04 clean install today
[13:12] <Piensken> 64 bit
[13:13] <Piensken> program is 32 bit
[13:13] <Piensken> installd an i368 pakkage
[13:13] <Piensken> dind workt :(
[13:13] <Piensken> work*
[13:13] <dah85> try libgnome-keyring0
[13:13] <dah85> https://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=libgnome-keyring.so.0&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=unstable&arch=i386
[13:14] <Piensken> ok going to search
[13:14] <Piensken> he tells me i allready have the latest
[13:15] <Piensken> butt gnome isnt there..
[13:16] <dah85> https://kb.pulsesecure.net/articles/Pulse_Secure_Article/KB40514
[13:16] <dah85> suggests running /usr/local/pulse/PulseClient.sh install_dependency_packages
[13:16] <dah85> to get the depends
[13:17] <zenguy> hi there are two listings for ClamTK in the software center, which one should i install?
[13:17] <Piensken> dah85 gives me the same error
[13:17] <Piensken> error while loading
[13:18] <zenguy> i'm assuming the one with the better ratings but the listings are identical
[13:18] <Piensken> dah85 can i dl them and put them in there myself?
[13:19] <zenguy> also what should i do if i see picture of a possessed girl from 'the exorcist' on my ubuntu's desktop lol?
[13:19] <dah85> Piensken, personally i don't have experience with pulsevpn so i couldn't recommend doing that, however it's up to you, perhaps someone else in here with more experience could assist?
[13:22] <zenguy> hehe maybe it's a rookit, or a worm?
[13:24] <Piensken> would there be a way to connect to the vpn without pulse???
[13:25] <ktonga> hi. with default config nslookup doesn't work, resolv.conf has nameserver 127.0.1.1 but dnsmasq is not running
[13:25] <ktonga> ‎ if i configure dns=dnsmasq in NetworkManager.conf it is started and nslookup works
[13:26] <ktonga> but then when i connect to a VPN name resolution for the vpn doesnt work, but it does for default config
[13:26] <ktonga> is therer any recommended config so that nslookup and vpn work both at the same time? :)
[13:27] <yeeve> nmcli -t -f IP4.DNS device show enp8s0 shows DNS servers but if I try to dig a local address it doesn't work but if I do `dig adddress @ip` then it returns correctly. Why wouldn't dig be going through _all_ the NS's?
[13:29] <yeeve> https://pastebin.com/XJc0DDRr
[13:44] <Promille> EriC^^: Successfully updated to 17.04. No errors yet. Thank you for all the help! =)
[13:56] <Skyrider> Ello
[13:58] <Skyrider> Can crontab handle calculations? Eg, if I wish to rename a file on a weekly basis with a week number added to it, minus 1 week. Running the cronjob after mightnight on a monday, but I need to keep the previous week number.
[14:01] <yeeve> Skyrider, I don't think so. I think there is some "advanced" syntax with Crontabs but I think logic/calculations should be done inside the triggered script
[14:03] <yeeve> nslookup seems to use the DNS from resolv.conf (127.0.0.53) but I want it to use the ones defined in NetworkManager, is there something I'm doing wrong?
[14:07] <Skyrider> yeeve: mv would be a linux command.
[14:08] <Skyrider> so I'd have to use a script.
[14:10] <aib> guys, where's a good place to store xinput --set-prop settings?
[14:12] <tgm4883> Skyrider: I'd think you could farm that calculation out to the date command in the cron job
[14:13] <Skyrider> Any clue where to begin?
[14:15] <tgm4883> Skyrider: date -d 'last week' '+%W'
[14:15] <tgm4883> Skyrider: that would give you last week
[14:16] <Skyrider> crontab shows purple.
[14:16] <Skyrider> I assume that means incomplete.
[14:17] <ralpheeee> is there anyway to increase compilation times on ubuntu...eg on arch there is makepkg.conf where one set makeflags,build in compile in temp folder and use ccache...
[14:17] <tgm4883> so I'd try something like "command > logfile-$(date -d 'last week' '+%W')"
[14:18] <Skyrider> Would like to rename the main file though, not the log file :D
[14:18] <tgm4883> Skyrider: then alter that command to move the file?
[14:19] <Skyrider> **trying*
[14:19] <tgm4883> Skyrider: is this a log file or something?
[14:20] <Skyrider> csv file, but should be a \ in %W
[14:20] <Skyrider> $(date -d 'last week' '+\%W')"
[14:21] <Skyrider> Trying it out, thanks :D
[14:23] <tgm4883> Skyrider: also might look at logrotate, since that's kinda it's job
[14:27] <Skyrider> tgm4883: perfect.
[14:27] <Skyrider> $(date -d 'last week' '+\%W')
[14:27] <Skyrider> Works
[14:27] <Skyrider> \ is quite important ^^
[14:31] <yeeve> Hey chat, anyone know why dig/nslookup seem to only check resolv.conf NS? I've defined some in NetworkManager but they don't seem to be getting checked.
[14:31] <DWWagner> How is your NetworkManager configured to handle DNS?
[14:31] <ralpheeee> loo/quit
[14:31] <tgm4883> yeeve: resolv.conf should be pointing at yourself basically
[14:31] <DWWagner> I've had some issues since they started trying to integrate systemd-resolved
[14:32] <yeeve> DWWagner, I've just added additional NS into the IP4 section for my wired connection
[14:32] <tgm4883> yeeve: resolv.conf should be pointing at 127.0.0.53
[14:32] <yeeve> resolv.conf only has 127.0.0.53 in it. I'm trying to connect to a NS which is using bind in a docker container but I'm struggling
[14:33] <DWWagner> Can you manually resolve against the server you want?
[14:33] <yeeve> The docs recommend adding 127.0.0.1 but that doesn't seem to give me what I need, the bind/container has an ip of 172.16.238.100 and that does seem to work
[14:33] <yeeve> DWWagner, yeah, dig +short example.local @172.16.238.100 works
[14:33] <tgm4883> oh .local
[14:33] <DWWagner> OK, just had to check.
[14:33] <tgm4883> don't use that
[14:34] <yeeve> It's actually `.loc`, is that OK?
[14:34] <yeeve> I'm trying to use this - https://github.com/cytopia/devilbox/blob/master/docs/Configure.md#6-host-computer and it's AUTO DNS feature
[14:34] <tgm4883> yeeve: yea .loc is fine. .local is a protected TLD
[14:34] <tgm4883> so that won't resolve
[14:34] <yeeve> tgm4883, I didn't know that :P I've been using .local in the past and that could be the cause of some random/odd DNS issues I've had
[14:35] <DWWagner> yeeve: It varies resolver to resolver.
[14:35] <yeeve> The guide makes it sound like the bind/container should be responding to 127.0.0.1 but that's no the case for me
[14:35] <tgm4883> yeeve: .local is used by AVAHI which is why you can't use it
[14:35] <malinus> It seems that linux 4.10 (ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS) doesn't really support turbo on my kaby lake i7-7500U. I'm running 'stress -c 4', and using turbostat to see the frequency. And I only get up to the 2.7GHz
[14:38] <yeeve> It seems like my issue is that I need to get the 172 NS address to be the main one queried by dig/nslookup/ping
[14:39] <yeeve> nmcli shows all 5 NS but the ordering is a bit odd but the 127.0.0.53 isn't in NetworkManager at all so that's a resolv.conf thing only. IT's like dig/nslookup is checking the wrong set of NS
[14:39] <alazyworkaholic> Shouldn't /etc/apt/sources.list reflect what's in the 'Other Software' tab in Synaptic -> Settings -> Repositories? Mine doesn't.
[14:40] <oerheks> alazyworkaholic, that is correct, ppa's get their own instance in  /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ folder
[14:40] <tgm4883> yeeve: why not remove all the other DNS servers from network manager?
[14:40] <oerheks> no more clutter in the original sources.list
[14:41] <alazyworkaholic> oerheks: ah, ok. thanks
[14:41] <oerheks> alazyworkaholic, and use ppa-purge to remove it properly, unless it never installed any app
[14:41] <yeeve> tgm4883, I need DNS references to a local Windows DC and I use Google DNS instead of the ones provided my DHCP. Is there another way to do these? Are you asking me to remove them just to test?
[14:42] <tgm4883> yeeve: well yes, remove them just to test. But also, you could setup your DNS server to forward requests
[14:43] <yeeve> tgm4883, the DNS (bind) is inside the containers provided by the devilbox project and the DNS records are for it's internal sites. Id rather not have to worry about setting my custom DNS stuff inside the containers as they are disposable
[14:44] <tgm4883> yeeve: well then minimally as a test
[14:44] <yeeve> tgm4883, if I remove all the servers from NM what are you expecting to change? Dig and nslookup will still hit the resolv.conf NS right?
[14:45] <tgm4883> yeeve: not all the servers. You'll leave your devilbox dns in there
[14:45] <tgm4883> yeeve: yes, dig and nslookup will still hit the resolv.conf NS
[14:48] <yeeve> tgm4883, it's odd. I used `sudo ip link set enp8s0 down && sudo ip link set enp8s0 up` to "refresh" the DNS stuff but it doesn't seem to be working
[14:49] <tgm4883> yeeve: you've still got the old dns servers listed in nmcli?
[14:49] <yeeve> Yeah :S
[14:49] <yeeve> I can't restart/logout but I'm sure the down/up command worked earlier for me
[14:50] <tgm4883> yeeve: hmm, have you tried using nmcli? eg "nmcli connection up eth0"
[14:51] <yeeve> nmcli doesn't support the new device IDs of enp8s0
[14:51] <yeeve> `Error: unknown connection 'enp8s0'.`
[14:52] <AureliusO> yeeve: use nmcli connection show to find the correct name.
[14:53] <yeeve> Aha, the UUID worked :) the DNS seems to have updated
[14:54] <yeeve> dig, nslookup and ping still fail though, (dig and nslookup still show .53 being used)
[14:54] <tgm4883> yeeve: .53 is still the correct address
[14:54] <AureliusO> yeeve: That is correct. nmcli is managing the dns server which lives at 127.0.0.53.
[14:55] <yeeve> OK so that's correct ... but then what's missing, why can dig/nslookup/ping find the 172/bind/container?
[14:56] <tgm4883> yeeve: what's the output of 'systemd-resolve --status'
[14:57] <yeeve> tgm4883, https://pastebin.com/hmg2eE7j
[14:57] <AureliusO> yeeve: Think of it this way, 127.0.0.53 is a recursive resovler to which you are providing your desired DNS. The system DNS resolution system is handling it from there.  dig/nslookup/et. al. should be indirectly seeing what you want.
[14:57] <tgm4883> yeeve: that's not all of it
[14:58] <tgm4883> AureliusO: it's not though. he's unable to resolve .loc addresses to a lan local DNS server through dnsmasq
[14:59] <yeeve> lmao!!!! didn't realise at all xD
[14:59] <yeeve> https://pastebin.com/uRrwNj3d
[14:59] <bytefire> hi, using vnc can i attach to the user session that is currently running locally on target machine?
[15:00] <tgm4883> yeeve: so that still has the old DNS servers in it it seems
[15:00] <bytefire> like screen
[15:00] <yeeve> tgm4883, I
[15:00] <yeeve> I'm not sure how to confirm but maybe the DC and google DNS is from DHCP then?
[15:00] <yeeve> 172. is the only one in NM
[15:01] <tgm4883> yeeve: There might be a way to tell that to refresh
[15:01] <yeeve> tgm4883, are we trying to get to the point where the only DNS NS is the 172. one?
[15:01] <tgm4883> also, pcm.local? I thought you weren't using .local addresses?
[15:02] <tgm4883> yeeve: yea, that's what I was shooting for
[15:02] <yeeve> tgm4883, that's our company domain :) I don't have any control over that one :P
[15:03] <yeeve> tgm4883, worth trying this to see if we can set 172. only? https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/136119
[15:04] <AureliusO> tgm4883: He should be able to restart the systemd-resolved service by itself -- that may get it to refresh it's idea of what's going on.
[15:04] <tgm4883> worth a shot I guess
[15:04] <yeeve> AureliusO, how do I do that? :P
[15:05] <yeeve> just sudo service systemd-resolved restart?
[15:05] <AureliusO> sudo systemctl restart systemd-resolved
[15:05] <yeeve> done and no errors shown
[15:05] <yeeve> `systemd-resolve --status` still shows same DNS
[15:07] <AureliusO> yeeve: Could you get `nmcli connection show <UUID Here>` and see what's listed in ipv4.dns?
[15:08] <yeeve> AureliusO, it shows the 4 IP4 addresses that systemctl-resolve shows
[15:08] <yeeve> with 172. being the last one in the list
[15:09] <AureliusO> yeeve: nmcli connection modify <UUID> ipv4.dns "<desired server>"
[15:11] <yeeve> WTF, nmcli device show needs the esn8s0 naming but the nmcli connection used the UUID, super confusing
[15:11] <yeeve> Either way I ran the command and although there wasn't any error, the mn device show one still shows 4 DNS servers
[15:11] <AureliusO> nmcli c u <UUID>
[15:12] <yeeve> a
[15:12] <yeeve> That ran too but the output is still the same :S
[15:14] <newbie--> so, if a want a really stable distro for a server, should i just install latest LTS and enable automatic software upgrades (of only security updates?)?
[15:16] <tgm4883> newbie--: latest LTS is generally the recommended approach
[15:16] <tgm4883> automatic software upgrades is debatable
[15:16] <AureliusO> yeeve: Restart systemd-resolved again
[15:19] <dedondesta> is there a problem installing grup into mbr of nvme disk (ssd m.2) ?
[15:19] <dedondesta> gives me fatal error when i try
[15:20] <dedondesta> installing latest ubuntu server
[15:23] <oerheks> dedondesta, is this an UEFi machine?
[15:25] <yeeve> AureliusO, sorry dude had to speak with my colleague. I restarted and then checked again and everythings the same :S Odd issue, I don't know if I'm doing something wrong, I thought this was an easy thing just to add an additional DNS server to be checked :S I feel like I've done this a dozen times on previous ubuntu versions
[15:26] <AureliusO> yeeve: The issue is more that order matters, and typically you want your internal server to be the only one which is queried to prevent issues like the one you are having.
[15:27] <yeeve> I don't get why it doesn't fall-over to the next one if it can't find it. There's only 4 servers and 1 IP to check :S
[15:28] <yeeve> Or why it's not possible to control the ordering easily if it's so important to get the priority stuff right :s
[15:29] <yeeve> I think I'll come back to this next week (hopefully with a restart in the meantime) but thanks for all the help. I've learned a lot :P
[15:40] <TimApple> g'day folks, I'm playing around with 17.10 and noticed snaps don't show up in applications after installed. Is this normal?
[15:41] <tgm4883> !ubuntu+1 | TimApple
[15:43] <AureliusO> Anyone in here use HipChat on their Linux device(s) and have a workaround for it being blank thanks Atlassian?
[15:49] <Gamoder_> Hi everyone, I got the following problem with an ssh (sshfs) connection: Whenever I connect from computer A to computer B, I get a connection timeout when doing ssh <computerB> from computer A
[15:49] <Gamoder_> I can connect to ssh@localhost on the computer B
[15:49] <Gamoder_> I have checked that ufw is disabled (sudo ufw disable) and added SSHD: ALL in /etc/hosts.allow
[15:49] <Gamoder_> What could be other causes of ssh not working in this case?
[15:49] <Gamoder_> (and how to fix them)
[15:50] <dedondesta> Gamoder_: on the computer B type ifconfig, then ssh user@b_ip_address
[15:50] <dedondesta> ahh
[15:50] <dedondesta> nevermind
[15:51] <Gamoder_> that's what I was doing
[15:51] <Gamoder_> I also tried moving ssh to a different port and then using ssh -p 20222 user@ipaddress
[15:53] <tgm4883> Gamoder_: need more info. Are they on the same LAN? What's the actual error message?
[15:55] <Gamoder_> https://pastebin.com/Kc3HtPki
[15:55] <Gamoder_> I think they are on the same LAN
[15:56] <tgm4883> Gamoder_: why is it trying to connect to port 80?
[15:56] <Gamoder_> but one is on a server cluster, the other a local machine
[15:56] <Gamoder_> well, I tried different ports, the last one was 80
[15:56] <tgm4883> Gamoder_: did you verify that it was actually listening on 80?
[15:56] <Gamoder_> of course
[15:56] <Gamoder_> nmap localhost returned the following
[15:57] <tgm4883> Gamoder_: what's the output of 'netstat -tulpn | grep 80'
[15:57] <Gamoder_> https://pastebin.com/tPhd6tTE
[15:58] <Gamoder_> https://pastebin.com/P18vYc7u
[15:58] <tgm4883> Gamoder_: ok, so let's address that you "think they are on the same lan". Is this not your LAN?
[15:58] <royal_screwup21> What's the difference between going to tty4 and typing in "sudo reboot" vs just manually pushing the "power off" button?
[15:59] <peet> if you typing in "sudo reboot" you need to type in password, but push power off button don't.
[16:00] <MonkeyDust> royal_screwup21  the power off button makes the machine cut short
[16:00] <Gamoder_> tgm4883: nope, it is the university LAN
[16:00] <MonkeyDust> royal_screwup21  short circuit*
[16:00] <Gamoder_> but the IP I got by ifconfig matches the one I got by wieistmeineip.at (a service to display the public IP)
[16:01] <Gamoder_> however, I can connect to the computer A, which I cannot from outside the university network
[16:01] <tgm4883> Gamoder_: well, so there's a laundry list of issues that are probably in your way
[16:01] <royal_screwup21> MonoMonkey: ah okay. I've had numerous instances when my computer froze up and I wasn't quite sure what to do so I almost always pushed the power off button because it seemed like a quicker way to reboot. Thanks for letting me know :)
[16:02] <tgm4883> Gamoder_: for starters, if you're connecting to the public IP, then there's likely at least 1 firewall in the way
[16:02] <Gamoder_> yeah. things are definetly not reachable from outside, I tried an online port scanner to my ip
[16:02] <tgm4883> Gamoder_: neither are reachable from the outside?
[16:02] <Gamoder_> (not "my", but the computer where I want to run the ssh server)
[16:03] <tgm4883> Gamoder_: you should be using internal IP addresses to connect
[16:03] <Gamoder_> how would I find that out?
[16:04] <tgm4883> Gamoder_: you'd run 'ip a' on each box and see what the ip address lists
[16:04] <Gamoder_> the ip a adress is the same as the public IP adress for inet
[16:04] <Gamoder_> I could try the inet6 address
[16:05] <tgm4883> Gamoder_: of course they did it that way...
[16:05] <tgm4883> Gamoder_: so both of the machines you're trying to connect from/to show the same IP address?
[16:07] <tgm4883> Gamoder_: just to confirm, the IP addresses aren't in any of these ranges?  10.0.0.0 – 10.255.255.255, 172.16.0.0 – 172.31.255.255, 192.168.0.0 – 192.168.255.255
[16:09] <Gamoder2> Sorry, connected to my VPN
[16:10] <Gamoder2> (to be on the same network)
[16:26] <trasckore> hi folks
[16:26] <trasckore> ubuntu precise which version of kernel runs?
[16:26] <nacc> trasckore: 12.04 is eol
[16:26] <trasckore> ubuntu precise which version of kernel runs?
[16:26] <trasckore> i don't need support
[16:26] <trasckore> i just asked which version of the kernel runs
[16:27] <trasckore> i need to take some module on that version and put it on 14.04 version
[16:27] <nacc> trasckore: 12.04.1 was 3.2; 12.04.5 was 3.13
[16:35] <oerheks> taking 'a module' from precise..
[16:37] <nacc> yeah, on idea what that means ...
[16:38] <nacc> trasckore: i assume you mean rebuilding it?
[16:38] <trasckore> yes
[16:38] <trasckore> but i get tons of error
[16:38] <trasckore> because the module is for 3.x
[16:38] <trasckore> and i'm building for 4.9
[16:38] <oerheks> Are you surprised?
[16:38] <trasckore> in those cases, what is the fix?
[16:39] <nacc> trasckore: 4.9 isn't a supported ubuntu kernel anywhere
[16:39] <oerheks> trasckore, why should we fix this? 1. no info what module, 2. what makes you think you need this module recompiled?
[16:40] <trasckore> you mean i just copy paste the module and modprobe it on 4.9?
[16:40] <nacc> trasckore: no
[16:52] <helo> anyone know why openvpn isn't prompting for my passphrase?
[16:53] <tgm4883> helo: because you set the password in network manager?
[16:54] <BluesKaj> helo, is it a gui that may already have your username and pw entered
[16:54] <helo> ahh, had to `daemon-reload` it
[16:56] <helo> is it possible to make `systemd-tty-ask-password-agent` prompt for all passwords in a sequence via gui?
[17:02] <JonelethIrenicus> anyone know when we are getting kernel 4.15 ?
[17:03] <ikonia> getting it in what ?
[17:03] <JonelethIrenicus> ikonia: LTS
[17:03] <ikonia> where do you expect it to be supplied from ?
[17:04] <JonelethIrenicus> ikonia: i have no CPU temprature sensors.
[17:04] <JonelethIrenicus> ikonia: canonical
[17:04] <ikonia> I mean what release ?
[17:04] <JonelethIrenicus> 16.04
[17:04] <ikonia> the HWE for LTS normally comes from a later release
[17:04] <blacknred0> i have my wireless conn setup to automatically connect to a vpn, but i've noticed that when my pc wakes up from suspend, i have to manually connect to the wifi (i think because vpn and wifi are competing). any thoughts on how to delay the vpn to avoid this?
[17:04] <ikonia> so what release do you expect to provide it for HWE in LTS
[17:04] <nacc> JonelethIrenicus: 4.15 doesn't exist yet
[17:04] <nacc> JonelethIrenicus: next HWE will be 4.13 (same as 17.10), presumably. Then the onne after will be whatever is inn 18.04. No announcement on that yet
[17:05] <ikonia> hence where do you expect it to come from ?
[17:05] <JonelethIrenicus> nacc: ok i see thanks
[17:06] <nacc> JonelethIrenicus: i'm still not sure why you were asking about 4.15, though
[17:06] <JonelethIrenicus> nacc: supposedly some patch for threadripper CPUs will be in it that enables us to get temperture readings
[17:07] <JonelethIrenicus> nacc: i was reading about it on phoronix
[17:09] <JonelethIrenicus> nacc: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMD-Zen-FreeBSD-Temps
[17:09] <nacc> JonelethIrenicus: there's no mentionn of 4.15 in the artcile
[17:09] <nacc> JonelethIrenicus: just that 4.14 doesn't have it
[17:09] <JonelethIrenicus> nacc: in the forum
[17:10] <JonelethIrenicus> if you click the link that says comments
[17:10] <nacc> JonelethIrenicus: i just did, searched for 4.15, no hits
[17:10] <nacc> JonelethIrenicus: which comment specifically?
[17:11] <JonelethIrenicus> nacc: oh wrong one https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMD-Zen-Temps-Hwmon-Next
[17:11] <nacc> JonelethIrenicus: ok
[17:12] <nacc> JonelethIrenicus: given that it's hardware related, it might get backported to -stable and then be in hwe. But nont sure. You've got months to wait at this point
[17:12] <JonelethIrenicus> nacc: that is a bummer, should I let anyone know that this might be important to threadripper users, or they probably already know?
[17:13] <tomreyn> https://github.com/groeck/lm-sensors/issues/16
[17:13] <nacc> JonelethIrenicus: what kernel supports threadripper? the currennt 16.04 hwe?
[17:14] <JonelethIrenicus> nacc: well it works for me and i resolved a few bugs for the motherboard, but ya.
[17:14] <JonelethIrenicus> just no temp sensors
[17:14] <nacc> JonelethIrenicus: you can file a bug and see what the kernel folks say
[17:14] <ikonia> I'd be surprised if it wasn't trying it as a generic x86_64 arch
[17:15] <nacc> ikonia: yeah
[17:16] <JonelethIrenicus> compilation time is fast :D
[17:26] <JonelethIrenicus> what is the equivelent in ubuntu? /proc/cpuinfo
[17:27] <nacc> JonelethIrenicus: that's a Linux thing and present on Ubuntu
[17:27] <nacc> JonelethIrenicus: it's a file, not a command.
[17:27] <JonelethIrenicus> nacc: oh i tried to find it, but couldn't
[17:28] <nacc> JonelethIrenicus: the you either didn't mount /proc (which means a VM typically, as it's automounted on any sane distribution) or you are not on Ubuntu?
[17:28] <nacc> JonelethIrenicus: `cat /proc/cpuinfo`
[17:29] <p3rL> HELP by mistake i removed /dev folder is there any way to recover it ?? my vps is not working fine... after delete..
[17:29] <JonelethIrenicus> nacc: that worked thanks
[17:29] <nacc> p3rL: iirc, /dev is a virtual fs provided by the kernel, rebootig should restore it?
[17:30] <Greeley> yeah /dev will rebuild on reboot
[17:30] <nacc> p3rL: unless you mean you booted into the initramfs and deleted the /dev mountpoint
[17:30] <p3rL> i cant reboot it cause sshd is not running when am trying to start ssh i got an error PRNG is not seeded
[17:30] <nacc> p3rL: you'll have to probably hard reset it using your VPS provider's console or whatever
[17:31] <Greeley> p3rl: then run these commands udevadm control --reload-rules && udevadm trigger
[17:31] <oerheks> p3rL, maybe go into your VPS control, and do a reboot from there?
[17:31] <p3rL> sh: udevadm: command not found
[17:32] <p3rL> oerheks there is no :) cpanel thats the problem :)
[17:33] <p3rL> please help me :) i want to recover that dev cause my vps not work fine
[17:33] <p3rL> am not able to restart sshd
[17:33] <Greeley> p3rL: we're helping, doing research for you one minute
[17:34] <p3rL> by mistake i remove /dev inner folder rm -rf /dev/*
[17:35] <oerheks> p3rL, if you cannot restart ssh .. nor go into cpanel.. file a ticket with your VPS provider?
[17:35] <Greeley> p3rL are you running as root?
[17:35] <p3rL> yes
[17:35] <p3rL> am root
[17:36] <p3rL> oerheks am here for a solution bro ticket cpanel i also know
[17:36] <Greeley> try whereis udevadm it should be there somewhere
[17:36] <p3rL> udevadm not found
[17:37] <Greeley> are you running systemd?
[17:37] <p3rL> how to check ?
[17:37] <Greeley> try "systemd-analyze"
[17:38] <p3rL> sh: systemd-analyze: command not found
[17:39] <Greeley> what's the output of "uname -a"
[17:39] <p3rL> what u need on uname -a
[17:39] <p3rL> its 64bit
[17:39] <nacc> p3rL: pastebin the whole line
[17:39] <nacc> it doesn't benefit you to hide it
[17:39] <oerheks> .. hiding it is not ubuntu?
[17:39] <nacc> that's my guess
[17:40] <p3rL> yes
[17:40] <nacc> p3rL: so... you came to the ubuntu support channel for help with a non-ubuntu problem?
[17:40] <Greeley> run "/etc/init.d/udev restart"
[17:41] <p3rL> actually its not ubuntu but i really need to fix the issue thats why i came here
[17:41] <tacomaster> I am trying to build a sftp server and when I try to connect I get authentication failed could not connect to server. I am positive the password is right because I just made the user. Is there another reason that could cause this?
[17:42] <JonelethIrenicus> tacomaster: can you ping it
[17:42] <newbie--> tacomaster: try sftp -v and see more detailed log
[17:42] <newbie--> messages
[17:42] <oerheks> i wonder why you cannot reach cpanel, it is on an other ip/site
[17:42] <tacomaster> its not on my internal network but I can connect to it
[17:42] <newbie--> tacomaster: can you telnet to it port 22?
[17:42] <tacomaster> let me ping as well
[17:43] <ikonia> tacomaster: are you getting a connection failure, or an auth failure
[17:43] <tacomaster> that is what I am trying to connect on port 22 and I get that error
[17:43] <ikonia> tacomaster: lets be specific, can you connect, or can you not auth
[17:43] <oerheks> p3rL, no cure for that, you will need to contact your vps friends, and pay for it maybe..
[17:43] <newbie--> tacomaster: telnet <sftp-server> 22
[17:43] <tacomaster> Ok one second
[17:43] <p3rL> oh god :( please help its Red Hat 5.5
[17:44] <newbie--> p3rL: what?
[17:44] <tacomaster> Ok it is just an auth error I can connect to the server
[17:44] <ducasse> p3rL: try a redhat channel
[17:44] <ikonia> tacomaster: ok, so what is it authing against, and what do the logs show in terms of the failure
[17:45] <tacomaster> let me check the /var/logs/auth
[17:45] <ikonia> tacomaster: look at the config too - look at what it's set to auth against
[17:45] <tacomaster> I have set it to auth with a password if that is what you mean
[17:46] <oerheks> p3rL, also Rhat 5.5 support ended 31 March 2017..
[17:46] <ikonia> tacomaster: no, what auth setup is it authing against
[17:48] <tacomaster> ahh I think I might have hit a max allowed failed login's
[17:48] <tacomaster> let me unset that in the config
[17:49] <tacomaster> I feel like an idiot. Thats all it was
[17:50] <tacomaster> Im sorry to bug you guys. I just started freaking out
[17:51] <Bashing-om> tacomaster: Is nice to have others to bounce things off of . cool heads :)
[17:51] <p3rL> HELP by mistake i put rm -rf /dev/* cmd now my vps isn't work fine is there any way to recover it ?? i dnt hv any cpanel i just have root access please help me out
[17:52] <Greeley> okay, why can't you reboot it p3rL?
[17:53] <Greeley> works for me
[17:59] <kikero> Hey!
[17:59] <kikero> I am trying to find openjdk-7-jdk_7u131-2.6.9-3_amd64.deb
[17:59] <kikero> Welp
[17:59] <ikonia> do you mean "help" ?
[17:59] <kikero> Yes
[18:00] <ikonia> so use the java versions that are supplied by the official ubuntu repos
[18:00] <kikero> I cannot.
[18:00] <kikero> I need this specific package
[18:00] <kikero> For a very specific purpose
[18:02] <nacc> kikero: not supported here
[18:04] <oerheks> not here .. http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/o/openjdk-7/?C=N;O=D .. you could find it in the debian pool.. i guess you run debian?
[18:04] <kikero> nacc: thank you.
[18:24] <MWM> I cant seem to permanently disable bluetooth on Budgie 17.04... I have tried https://askubuntu.com/questions/917658/how-do-i-disable-bluetooth-startup-by-default-with-every-boot-in-17-04
[18:24] <MWM> after a few reboots bluetooth is right back on though.  Any ideas?
[18:36] <Thyriaen> How can i check what version of amdgpu i am running, the version of llvm and mesa ?
[18:36] <ikonia> query the package manager for the versions
[18:37] <Thyriaen> ikonia: i'd rather see whats currently running - i've seen that on phoronix somewhere
[18:38] <oerheks> dpkg -l |grep "amdgpu" perhaps?
[18:40] <MWM_> aaand... /etc/bluetooth/main.conf was no help either.
[18:40] <ikonia> Thyriaen: the package manager will show you what's currently running
[18:40] <oerheks> or the good old fashinn: driver in use >> lspci -nnk | grep -i vga -A3 | grep 'in use'
[18:40] <ikonia> Thyriaen: eg: the packages on your system - ask the package manager
[18:40] <ikonia> it will show you what version you have currently installed
[18:41] <oerheks> easy to edit to:  dpkg -l |grep "the other package"
[18:42] <Bashing-om> Thyriaen: ' glxinfo ' will provide more info than you care to see .
[18:43] <Thyriaen> alright thanks to you all :)
[18:46] <MWM_> I would like bluetooth not to start at startup, seems to be impossible though (Budgie 17.04)
[18:49] <oijeeboo> any one know of a graphics tablet that works with ubuntu?
[18:50] <ikonia> oijeeboo: few wacom ones do
[18:50] <oijeeboo> ok thanks
[18:50] <ikonia> sorry, "a few"
[18:50] <ikonia> that was written poorly
[18:50] <ikonia> not "not very many"
[19:09] <mmkumr> When I am running the command 'mocp'. Then it showing a error that 'mocp: alsa.c:319: alsa_read_mixer_raw: Assertion `RANGE(0, vol, 100)' failed.'
[19:14] <ioria> mmkumr, are you using zesty 17.04 ?
[19:21] <mmkumr> ioria: yes
[19:21] <ioria> mmkumr, try this : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/moc/+bug/1673588
[19:30] <mmkumr> ioria: :( problem not solved.
[19:31] <ioria> mmkumr, are you fully updated ?
[19:33] <ioria> mmkumr, sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[19:39] <glitsj16> mmkumr: what do you have set for "SoundDriver" in ~/.moc/config?
[19:46] <borivoje> anyone familiar with the Laverna note taking app on linux and its sync option remotestorage?
[19:58] <glitsj16> borivoje: have you tried #laverna?
[20:01] <doctorly> I have a simple script that logs the time every second, and it's logging to journald. I'm noticing that if I follow the journal it only updates for this unit every five minutes. Any idea why the resolution is so poor?
[20:01] <borivoje> Yes I'm there glitsj16
[20:02] <borivoje> there are only 3 users online
[20:02] <brainwash> doctorly: you follow it how?
[20:03] <doctorly> brainwash: journalctl -u sanitytime -f
[20:06] <xpistos> is there a way to use a variable with a read in ip as the hostname for rsync?
[20:06] <xpistos> Can't get it to work
[20:06] <ikonia> yeah
[20:06] <ikonia> rsync rsync://$hostname/someshare
[20:07] <brainwash> doctorly: could be an issue specific to the systemd version
[20:07] <brainwash> doctorly: I suggest asking in #systemd
[20:08] <doctorly> brainwash: I am, thanks
[20:12] <glitsj16> borivoje: I see, was on the phone sorry.. never used laverna, just read the github page.. maybe you can check the issues there if you haven't already.
[20:14] <borivoje> it's ok.
[20:28] <posi> Hi what would it take to convince ubuntu to not install chrome as setuid root anymore?
[20:28] <posi> what's the process?
[20:29] <litheum> presumably you don't need to convince ubuntu of anything, you need to install a chrome package that has different behavior than the default package?
[20:29]  * litheum has no idea what he's talking about, but that sure seems logical
[20:30] <oerheks> posi,  i think you need to disable something in settings, advanced, Continue running background apps when Google Chrome is closed ( to speedup starting)
[20:31] <oerheks> that is the root-part, AFAIK
[20:32] <posi> litheum: oerheks i meant for everyone not just me
[20:32] <posi> i just turned off setuid
[20:33] <oerheks> if it is not what you meant, no clue then
[20:39] <posi> oerheks: it runs as root for the sandbox. Namespaces are the new way to do that
[20:39] <posi> https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src/+/lkcr/docs/linux_suid_sandbox.md
[20:44] <Datz> hi, I have a i76700, and I have only 4 cores showing up. What gives?
[20:44] <Datz> hyperthreading is not active or something?
[20:44] <MonkeyDust> posi  i use firejail to run chromium in a sandbox... or is that not what you mean
[20:45] <posi> Monkeydust not what I'm talking about
[20:45] <nacc> Datz: where are you looking?
[20:45] <posi> But that's smart
[20:45] <Datz> system monitor, htop, cat /proc/cpuinto.. etc
[20:46] <Datz> also my windows10 dual boot shows 8 cores
[20:46] <Datz> Dso it's not disabled in bios or something
[20:47] <nacc> Datz: well, it's *not* 8 cores
[20:47] <nacc> afaict,
[20:47] <nacc> Datz: https://ark.intel.com/products/88196/Intel-Core-i7-6700-Processor-8M-Cache-up-to-4_00-GHz ?
[20:47] <Datz> 8 logical cores
[20:48] <nacc> Datz: can you pastebin /proc/cpuinfo ?
[20:48] <Datz> sure...
[20:49] <Datz> https://pastebin.com/EgRdNCP7
[20:51] <nacc> Datz: it would appear that for some reason HT isn't on
[20:51] <nacc> Datz: each logical cpu has a distinct core ID
[20:52] <kostkon> Datz, you need to enable it in your bios/EFI settings
[20:53] <Datz> humm
[20:53] <Datz> seems like it's only disabled when I boot kubuntu
[20:53] <Datz> just booted windows, it's fine. Never had the problem before
[20:54] <Datz> was poking around in bios, but I'll have another look I guess
[20:54] <Datz> crap, well.. later anyway. Have to go for now
[20:56] <nacc> Datz: it's possible windows knows how to probe your bios properly/has some proprietary twiddles
[20:57] <thyriaen> what are "mesa-vdpau-drivers" ?
[20:58] <nacc> thyriaen: `apt show mesa-vdpau-drivers` and read?
[21:00] <thyriaen> nacc, thx
[21:09] <sourceslayer> Hey, is there a music player app that will play files locally on my phone as well as stream from a directory on an FTP Server?
[21:11] <nacc> sourceslayer: something that runs on your phone?
[21:13] <sourceslayer> nacc: I meant Desktop, I'm looking for an app for my android phone as well, but I want something for my Ubuntu Desktop. Sorry about that
[21:13] <sourceslayer> I thought Banshee did this but I couldn't find anything.
[21:15] <nacc> sourceslayer: i don't know, sorry
[21:16] <oerheks> plex or good old Kodi perhaps?
[21:17] <kostkon> sourceslayer, if you mount that ftp directory it should play directly off of it, no?
[21:17] <nacc> kostkon: that's what i was going to suggest as well, but wasn't sure if ftp was mountable (and with what). I assume there is a fuse for it
[21:18] <oerheks> with gigabit network it can play movies too.
[21:19] <sourceslayer> kostkon: Well, I didn't really think about that at all actually
[21:19] <oerheks> HD movie on your phone :-D
[21:19] <kostkon> nacc, hopefully there is
[21:20] <sourceslayer> Still, something that supports FTP would be ideal
[21:20] <sourceslayer> Thanks for the idea
[21:21] <sourceslayer> If no one minds me asking, do any of you know an android app that does this as well?
[21:24] <Greeley> ES File explorer and ANDftp
[21:25] <Greeley> both support ftp sourceslayer
[21:30] <magic_1> hi all
[21:32] <magic_1> my hp laptop has one of those dual gpu, intel with radeon, how would I make sure if it has installed the radeon drivers as well
[21:32] <elec64> got a warning about not being able to connect to lvm something...i'm in vbox
[21:33] <elec64> should I be concerend by that?
[21:33] <tomreyn> magic_1: The "radeon" driver is open source, it is installed by default. Whether it is active or not, is a different matter, depends on whether it works with your hardware and the hardware was properly detected.
[21:34]  * elec64 <3 radeon
[21:35] <magic_1> tomreyn, thanks, how would I test to see if it is active or not?
[21:35] <tomreyn> elec64: your question lacks details, try to describe the situation more thouroughly and to provide the actual error message and context on the situation when it occurs
[21:35] <elec64> tomreyn: k, gotta figure screen cap it though
[21:35] <elec64> gonna finish running vbox-additions iso first
[21:37] <tomreyn> magic_1: /var/log/Xorg.*.log should tell which driver was chosen. you can also use "sudo lspci -knn" and look for "VGA" devices there and for their "Kernel driver in use".
[21:37] <sourceslayer> Greeley: Thanks for the suggestion, I'll look into it
[21:37] <magic_1> tomreyn, thanks will check
[21:37] <oerheks> magic_1, driver in use >> lspci -nnk | grep -i vga -A3 | grep 'in use'
[21:39] <magic_1> oerheks, I get the following from your command kernel driver in use: i915 (next line) kernel driver in use: radeon
[21:39] <magic_1> so I am assuming it is enabled then
[21:40] <oerheks> magic_1, yes, that looks good
[21:40] <magic_1> how would I test the difference though?
[21:40] <jeffree> anyone know how to make firefox open with all windows maximised?
[21:40] <jeffree> I have it set to open previously opened tabs, if it's relevant
[21:41] <magic_1> oerheks, when I use glxgears the frame rate seems way to low
[21:43] <oerheks> good question, with nvidia you would have prime to do that
[21:44] <magic_1> oerheks, was just about to say that. My previous laptop I used prime due to nvidia
[21:44] <magic_1> oerheks, so this is a first for me
[21:45] <oerheks> found @ http://www.dell.com/support/article/us/en/04/sln298475/a-guide-to-hybrid-video-on-dell-pcs-with-an-ubuntu-operating-system?lang=en >>> all manually: echo DIS > /sys/kernel/debug/vgaswitcheroo/switch <> echo IGD > /sys/kernel/debug/vgaswitcheroo/switch
[21:45] <oerheks> and you can turn them off too, i read
[21:46] <oerheks> dis = discrete = radeon, igd = intel
[21:46] <oerheks> or switch this in your bios?
[21:46] <magic_1> oerheks, awesome thanks, going to check it out now
[21:47] <oerheks> let us know if this works for you, so it can help others
[21:50] <magic_1> oerheks, will definitely do
[21:55] <tomreyn> xrandr --listproviders
[21:55] <tomreyn> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PRIME#PRIME_GPU_offloading
[21:55] <xrandr> hmm?
[21:55] <tomreyn> take a look at this, too, magic_1
[21:55] <tomreyn> xrandr: you just happen to have an inconvenient nickname.
[21:56] <xrandr> tomreyn: i'm beginning to think so
[21:56] <ordertochaos> there
[21:57] <ordertochaos> well, time to go
[21:57] <ordertochaos> ttyl
[21:59] <jimsio> is the a kind of release plan for final openjdk-packages come to repo?
[22:00] <ducasse> jimsio: do you mean for the upcoming ubuntu release?
[22:02] <jimsio> ducasse: for zesty
[22:02] <nacc> jimsio: zesty is released already, there aren't any 'new' packges coming to it
[22:02] <jimsio> there is a unstable package
[22:02] <nacc> jimsio: unstable as in the Debian release?
[22:03] <jimsio> https://packages.ubuntu.com/zesty/java/openjdk-9-jdk
[22:04] <jimsio> today came the final openjdk
[22:07] <compdoc> \o/
[22:07] <jimsio> hm, last release was in march
[22:08] <jimsio> doesn't make sense this stays unstable
[22:08] <ducasse> ubuntu releases typically don't get later versions of packages
[22:09] <Prestige> hello
[22:10] <Prestige> anyone mind lending me a hand with ubuntu server? on startup it
[22:10] <Prestige> it's just saying "A start job is running for Raise network interfaces
[22:10] <Prestige> and doesn't seem to stop doing that
[22:11] <jimsio> ducasse: this is no feature release or similar... so i need to look for a ppa?
[22:14] <ducasse> jimsio: most likely. maybe it will make it into artful, although it's too late in the cycle by now.
[22:14] <Prestige> ok got that fixed..
[22:15] <Prestige> just can't connect to the internet
[22:15] <Prestige> or LAN
[22:16] <jimsio> it's more update/security, like for openjdk 8(there they do), so i don't get why they won't update this, but ok...
[22:21] <ducasse> jimsio: you could try asking in #ubuntu-packaging, i can't give you a definitive answer
[22:21] <jimsio> ducasse: thank you
[22:24] <ducasse> jimsio: i'd think there's more of a reason to get it into artful than a release that will be 'old' in a month, though
[22:26] <tomreyn> Prestige: do you have a static network interface configuration in /etc/network/interfaces ? has it changed since? have you checked syslog, yet?
[22:27] <Prestige> I changed it to static, trying to do this through wifi
[22:27] <Prestige> afaik the ip address should be local, yeah?
[22:31] <tomreyn> Prestige: depends on what you need it to be :)
[22:32] <Prestige> well im just trying to use this in house, as a local server to access on LAN
[22:32] <tomreyn> Prestige: are you physically close to the server? if not, i would recommend against such chamges unless you have the means to manage the system out of band
[22:32] <Prestige> I can connect if I'm using a wire but I'm wanting to use it over wifi, because of physical limitation
[22:32] <Prestige> limitations*
[22:32] <tomreyn> i see
[22:32] <Prestige> one of my computers is the server
[22:33] <tomreyn> for wireless, i'd use network manager, since it's somewhat tedious to configure with network/interfacves + wpasupplicant
[22:34] <Prestige> that command line? Cuz I'm using ubuntu server
[22:34] <tomreyn> sudo apt-.get install nmtui
[22:34] <tomreyn> there is also nmcli if you prefer no UI
[22:35] <tomreyn> neither depends on X
[22:43] <Prestige> hmm
[22:44] <Prestige> failing to bring up the interface when i do ifup interfaceName
[22:51] <nchambers> Prestige: does syslog show anything?
[22:51] <nchambers> or dmesg?
[22:52] <Prestige> rebooting, give me a min
[22:52] <Prestige> lol shit ive been trying to solve this for 7 hours now
[22:53] <DWWagner> Prestige: I'm late to the game, and I see that you are having issues with getting the network interface up.  What've you go to so far?
[22:53] <Prestige> long story short, trying to turn an in-home computer into a server, using ubuntu server
[22:54] <Prestige> works if connected by wire but that isnt an option
[22:54] <Prestige> trying to get wifi to work, but the interface wont start
[22:54] <DWWagner> By "won't start" do you mean that it won't connect or won't do anything?
[22:54] <Prestige> the error is:
[22:55] <Prestige> ??? prefix is expected rather that "192.168.1.117/255.255.255.0".
[22:55] <Prestige> failed to bring up wls1
[22:55] <Prestige> strange though, it's a different interface that connects when it's wired
[22:55] <DWWagner> Where did you configure the ip address, because it sounds like it is just in incorrectly.
[22:55] <DWWagner> Did you take the nmcli suggestion?
[22:55] <Prestige> inside of /etc/network/interfaces
[22:56] <DWWagner> Address in interfaces should be expressed as a CIDR: 192.168.1.117/24
[22:56] <Prestige> failed to locate nmcli package
[22:57] <Prestige> well it's not really expressed that way in the file
[22:57] <Prestige> the address and netmask are defined on separate lines
[22:57] <DWWagner> Hmm
[22:57] <Prestige> it seems to be fine, according to all the examples i've found
[22:57] <Prestige> auto wls1
[22:57] <Prestige> iface wls1 inet static
[22:58] <Prestige> then.. address 192.168.1.117
[22:58] <Prestige> netmask and network etc on following lines
[22:58] <Prestige> double checking, wpa-psk is the wifi password right?
[22:59] <Prestige> cuz i have wpa-ssid and wpa-psk defined in that file as well
[22:59] <DWWagner> OK, I see what you mean.  I was looking at the man page.
[23:00] <Prestige> ok not sure how, wls1 is up now, when not connected to wire. still can't ping anything
[23:00] <Prestige> not even the router
[23:00] <DWWagner> Is there a route defined?
[23:00] <Prestige> it's defined as the default gateway
[23:00] <Prestige> I can ping its ip when wired
[23:01] <tgm4883> Prestige: what ubuntu version is this? Out of curiosity, are you able to configure it via nmtui? that might be a little easier to deal with
[23:01] <Prestige> 16
[23:01] <Prestige> and I can't find that package
[23:02] <Prestige> [ 591.766863] ERROR @wl_dev_intvar_get : error (-1)
[23:02] <Prestige> when I run iwconfig, listed above wls1 but below the loopback interface
[23:03] <DWWagner> I think it'the pkackage you'd be looking for is `network-manager` iirc
[23:03] <DWWagner> I think the package*
[23:03] <Prestige> I installed network-manager but if I try using it as a command it says command not found
[23:04] <parallel21> What's the diff between local time and universal time in TimeDateCtl?
[23:04] <DWWagner> That's bizarre, I too now wonder what your version is.
[23:04] <Prestige> the newest LTS Ubuntu server 16.04.3
[23:05] <tomreyn> so if you have network-manager installed, and unless you manually deleted its binaries, you'll have /usr/bin/nmtui and /usr/bin/nmcli
[23:06] <DWWagner> Agreed.
[23:06] <tomreyn> ...which should also be in PATH
[23:06] <Prestige> okay cool, i can launch nmcli then
[23:07] <tomreyn> if you spent several hours on this already,, nmtui might serve you better
[23:07] <Prestige> is that the ui version?
[23:08] <tomreyn> yes, it's the text user interface one
[23:08] <Prestige> ah cool
[23:12] <Prestige> hm I can't select OK at the end lol
[23:12] <Prestige> the heck
[23:14] <Prestige> ah got it
[23:17] <Prestige> hmm...
[23:17] <Prestige> so the wifi interface is only showing ipv6, no ipv4 address
[23:17] <Prestige> which is strange
[23:17] <Prestige> also I think that nmtui removed my config files, or moved them elsewhere
[23:24] <Prestige> this is insane
[23:27] <Prestige> i guess im just going go install some ui based debian distro
[23:27] <Prestige> cuz this isnt working
[23:54] <archpc> anyone have experience with ubuntu on a touch-enabled laptop?