[12:49] <Curious_Penguin> hello, I have a copy of Xubuntu 16.04.2. Do I need to download the iso of 16.04.3 again or can I just upgrade?
[12:50] <Curious_Penguin> could upgrades create any instability?
[13:03] <Curious_Penguin> hello
[13:13] <newbie|4> i think i got a bad hibernate/suspend image and i can not log into my system. is there a way to disable resume from kernel parameters?
[13:20] <Curious_Penguin> can I use the copy of xubuntu 16.04.2 or should I download a new iso of 16.04.3?
[13:26] <dsfa> hello guys i need urgent help
[13:27] <dsfa> i deleted all my partitions by mistake
[13:27] <dsfa> im still on the os at the moment
[13:27] <dsfa> i have no idea how it is still running
[13:31] <newbie|4> dsfa: what program did you use to delete the partitions?
[13:32] <dsfa> gnome-disks probably
[13:32] <dsfa> disks app
[13:32] <dsfa> it was an extended partition with 3 partitions. 1. linux mint 2. Ubuntu 3. Swap.
[13:33] <dsfa> I unmounted and deleted the linux mint partition, which was very small.
[13:33] <dsfa> but then all of them disappeared. now it shows only free space
[13:33] <Curious_Penguin> how much disk space should be allocated to Xubuntu 16.04.3 root partition? maximum size?
[13:34] <newbie|4> dsfa: generally, you can try to recreate the old partitions. but you have to have EXACT start/end positions
[13:34] <newbie|4> like... down to the exact byte.
[13:34] <dsfa> about 180 gb, there was only one partition for Lubuntu (it was not xubuntu actually, i cudnt find help there)
[13:34] <dsfa> oh shit
[13:35] <newbie|4> i do not know if gnome-disks creates log files
[13:35] <newbie|4> i.e. "delted partition /dev/sdb1 at pos 74834783 to 2093029302"
[13:35] <newbie|4> if it does... you can recreate teh partitions.
[13:36] <newbie|4> if you do not have this information and pressed "Save" in the disk app.... well, then they are gone
[13:36] <dsfa> err i ll check if there are logs
[13:36] <Curious_Penguin> I intend to install xubuntu. How much space would root and home partitions need?
[13:37] <dsfa> there are no options for log in the gui
[13:37] <dsfa> :0
[13:37] <dsfa> shit man
[13:38] <dsfa> pengguin how much space do u have
[13:38] <dsfa> oshit man what have i done
[13:38] <Curious_Penguin> about 150 GBs.
[13:39] <dsfa> i have no specific idea but 50 gigs is enough to run xubuntu
[13:39] <dsfa> i installed linux mint 18.2 which is much heavier on 11.2 gb
[13:40] <dsfa> newbie i shud just cut my losses and fresh install right
[13:40] <Curious_Penguin> ok.
[13:40] <Curious_Penguin> should I download 16.04.3 or just install 16.04.2 and then upgrade?
[13:42] <dsfa> id recommend installing 16.04.3 directly. some guys developed issues on his pc by upgrading from 16.04.2 to 16.04.3
[13:42] <Curious_Penguin> ok.
[13:43] <Curious_Penguin> then I need to download it now.
[13:43] <Curious_Penguin> what kind of issues occured btw?
[13:47] <dsfa> i read in a forum that his graphics drivers weren't working properly and were giving random error messages. It got fixed after he installed v16.04.3 directly.
[13:49] <Curious_Penguin> ok
[13:49] <Curious_Penguin> were there issues such as random freezing of the os?
[13:49] <Curious_Penguin> OS not responding?
[13:50] <dsfa> sorry i didnt notice the details
[13:51] <Curious_Penguin> ok
[13:52] <Curious_Penguin> btw, is there a gui package for youtube-dl?
[13:53] <dsfa> probably not. i remember i used that to download some videos on linux mint 15 back in 2013 haha. good times
[13:53] <dsfa> you should google to see if there's an ui for that
[13:54] <Curious_Penguin> ok
[13:54] <Curious_Penguin> how is mint as compared to xubuntu?
[13:55] <dsfa> i actually havent used xubuntu :P i have used xfce but my distro experiences are limited to linux mint, lubuntu, ubuntu and some others.
[13:55] <dsfa> mint feels very feature rich
[13:55] <dsfa> and polished
[13:56] <dsfa> but a bit heavy for my old laptop
[13:56] <dsfa> i currently use lubuntu
[13:56] <dsfa> its a lot lighter
[13:56] <dsfa> not as polished, but it can do everything linux mint can
[13:56] <Curious_Penguin> ok
[13:56] <dsfa> that's why i prefer lubuntu to linux mint
[13:56] <dsfa> xubuntu would probably a bit more polished and a bit heavier than lubuntu
[13:57] <Curious_Penguin> suppose I install lubuntu can I turn it into xubuntu by installing xfce?
[13:57] <dsfa> nah if u like xfce, go for the real thing. it'll feel better that way. lots of guys install xfce over mint but i personally dont prefer to
[13:58] <dsfa> xfce is more feature rich than lxde. its good
[13:58] <Curious_Penguin> ok
[13:59] <Curious_Penguin> how about lxqt?
[13:59] <dsfa> is that out yet? i dont have updated info on that
[13:59] <dsfa> probably wouldn't be as stable yet
[14:00] <dsfa> my favorite is puppy linux. so much power in such a small package. truly amazing.
[14:00] <dsfa> i still use tahr puppy that i downloaded back in 2015
[14:00] <dsfa> it was only a 100 mb iso !
[14:01] <dsfa> today i messed up my partitions. i ll have to fresh install the operating systems
[14:02] <newbie|4> dsfa: if you have no important documents on the lost partition, just go ahead & reinstall
[14:03] <newbie|4> if you really really need the stuff on there, there are ways to figure out the partition layout from what is left... but that gets really hack'ish
[14:03] <dsfa> yeah. I would already be having a major panic attack if i wouldnt have backed up everything to my external hdd just a few days back. Worth every cent.
[14:04] <dsfa> ikr, i have done my fair share of fiddiling with my dumb laptop for the week, i have other work to do haha
[14:04] <newbie|4> yea... a couple of years ago, i did not do any backups & messed up my partition as well. lots of sweat lol
[14:05] <dsfa> omg same. I tried to install peppermint os and clean wiped out my entire hdd full of years of precious photos and documents
[14:05] <dsfa> it was back in 2015 :'(
[14:06] <dsfa> i never got the files back, i have no idea why i didnt try to recover them, but i shed a single tear every now and then about the accident
[14:06] <Curious_Penguin> dsfa, please suggest a distro that consumes minimal battery power on laptops.
[14:07] <dsfa> lubuntu would be best for that? what do u think newbie?
[14:07] <Curious_Penguin> I am relatively a newbie.
[14:08] <dsfa> i was talking about the other guy (his name's newbie|4). im an absolute noob too
[14:08] <knome> i understand the rationale why you'd want minimal battery power consumption, but that can't be the real thing you want to achieve (because then the solution is not to use the laptop...)
[14:08] <knome> so what is it you want to *do* with your laptop?
[14:09] <Curious_Penguin> I use it for office work
[14:09] <knome> i'm not an expert on lubuntu by any means, but i believe it is mostly user-friendly... but there can be wrinkles here and there
[14:10] <Curious_Penguin> mainly using the packages like libre office, pdf readers, browsers etc
[14:10] <knome> so if you are uncertain about it, i'd probably just go for xubuntu
[14:10] <Curious_Penguin> ok
[14:10] <knome> you can try the live desktops of course
[14:10] <Curious_Penguin> I use my laptop for long hours.
[14:10] <knome> and ultimately - running, say, libreoffice, will take the same resources/power on both systems
[14:10] <Curious_Penguin> and want the OS to consume the battery power as less as possible.
[14:11] <dsfa> id recommend lubuntu. ive found it very light,yet gets all my work done
[14:11] <knome> have you tried the live desktop environments?
[14:11] <dsfa> xubuntu would be more user friendly probably
[14:11] <knome> i'd also say xubuntu is more (easily) customizable in many parts
[14:12] <knome> if you don't need that, then it doesn't make a difference for you
[14:13] <Curious_Penguin> how is ubuntu mate?
[14:13] <knome> in resource usage i'd say at least as much as xubuntu
[14:14] <knome> but i haven't got any numbers
[14:14] <Curious_Penguin> userfriendliness and stability?
[14:14] <knome> don't know much about that either
[14:14] <dsfa> ive heard mate is very stable. but i personally dont like pure ubuntu that much
[14:14] <knome> probably at least more user-friendly than lubuntu
[14:15] <knome> dsfa, mate isn't "pure" ubuntu, it's a flavor like xubuntu and lubuntu
[14:15] <dsfa> :P probably. lubuntu is like mr skeltal (only bones)
[14:15] <Curious_Penguin> compared to xubuntu?
[14:15] <Curious_Penguin> ubuntu mate vis a vis xubuntu?
[14:15] <knome> also remember that "user-friendliness" is subjective... something might be intuitive in X, but not Y or Z for you, but not for somebody else...
[14:15] <dsfa> yeah i guess knome
[14:15] <knome> no guesses needed ;)
[14:16] <knome> Curious_Penguin, tbh i'd probably try a live desktop or two as i've suggested a few times
[14:16] <Curious_Penguin> ok
[14:16] <dsfa> yes that's a better way. what's your download speed curious penguin?
[14:16] <knome> since you value low power consumption highly, start with the one that likely uses least, eg. lubuntu
[14:17] <Curious_Penguin> right now it is very slow.
[14:17] <knome> lubuntu even has a smaller ISO
[14:17] <dsfa> how many kilobytes per second?
[14:17] <Curious_Penguin> 100 kbps
[14:17] <dsfa> yeah id recommend trying lubuntu first. i love it. light but gets all the work done
[14:17] <Curious_Penguin> or even less than that.
[14:18] <dsfa> 100 kilobytes per second or kilobits?
[14:18] <Curious_Penguin> kilobytes/sec
[14:18] <dsfa> 100 kilobits would be like 8 kBps lol
[14:18] <dsfa> oh good .
[14:18] <dsfa> lets do the math
[14:19] <dsfa> if we assume 90 kBps average speed, it's 5.4 megabytes per minute
[14:19] <knome> (or just download ;))
[14:19] <dsfa> haha
[14:19] <akxwi-dave> I've tried Lubuntu, Xubuntu and Ubuntu Mate on laptops, for me the best one was Xubuntu
[14:19] <knome> ^ he's subjective! ;)
[14:19] <Curious_Penguin> which one is more dynamically developed?
[14:20] <Curious_Penguin> I mean the pace of development.
[14:20] <Curious_Penguin> and support.
[14:20] <dsfa> it ll take around 4-6 hours
[14:20] <dsfa> 3 if ur lucky
[14:20] <knome> mate probably is most developed right now because it's new
[14:20] <Curious_Penguin> ok
[14:21] <knome> xubuntu has been around the longest, so it's more stable in development but also the system
[14:21] <Curious_Penguin> ok
[14:21] <knome> just to make it clear; this is the xubuntu channel, people here now xubuntu best and are prone to recommend it over other flavors
[14:21] <akxwi-dave> what laptop do you have?
[14:22] <akxwi-dave> that could also affect whats best
[14:22] <knome> also, both akxwi-dave and myself are part of the xubuntu team so we are *definitely* subjective...
[14:23] <Curious_Penguin> my laptop runs on intel i3 2 Ghz cpu, 4 gbs of ram.
[14:23] <Curious_Penguin> intel integrated graphics
[14:24] <akxwi-dave> all 3 would be good for that then...
[14:24] <Curious_Penguin> ok
[14:25] <akxwi-dave> i think it will come down, to your personal feelings.. all three can run the same same programs.. so really will be down to the aesthectics..
[14:25] <Curious_Penguin> I am a linux newbie.
[14:26] <Curious_Penguin> want something that is intuitive to operate and easy to maintain.
[14:28] <newbie|4> i think i got a bad hibernate/suspend image and i can not log into my system (except rescue mode). is there a way to disable resume from kernel parameters?
[14:28] <akxwi-dave> then I would try either Lubuntu or Xubuntu. In my humble opinion they are probably the easiest to get to grips with
[14:28] <Curious_Penguin>  ok
[14:28] <Curious_Penguin> I will go for xubuntu LTS.
[14:29] <Curious_Penguin> thanks a lot for this info.
[14:29] <akxwi-dave> anytime
[14:30] <Curious_Penguin> bye and have a great day, guys.
[14:30] <akxwi-dave> you too..
[14:36] <dsfa> alright im going in boys, wish me luck. thanks newbie for support
[15:09] <FinKsu> I have a problem. When the sound of my headphones is 20% or less, it is the same as 0%
[16:02] <FinKsu> Umm... Any help?
[16:08] <GridCube> !details FinKsu
[16:10] <GridCube> !anyone FinKsu
[18:00] <nooodlesnodes> how the heck do I remove login and laptop lid close login
[18:03] <nooodlesnodes> its just a junk netbook that many need to use
[18:03] <nooodlesnodes> so no password needed at all
[18:34] <vrlc96> hello
[19:59] <roses> im recovering data from a hdd, which was luks encrypted, but fdisk -l doesnt show any partition anymore. I know the passphrase
[19:59] <roses> help appreciated