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 Fix released with the latest MR
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 \o/ Lots of new ways for Lintian to moan, and make KCI builds 'unstable'
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[14:15] <DarinMiller> gm/ga
[14:18] <acheronuk> m/a is simpler
[14:28] <DarinMiller> :) yes it is ...
[14:29] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[14:29] <DarinMiller> Added a few Packaging/Devel tasks to the Phab site that I think will improve end user experience with 17.10.  
[14:30] <DarinMiller> hey BluesKaj
[14:37] <BluesKaj> Hi DarinMiller
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 @acheronuk, oooooh cool!
 @acheronuk Santa @DarinMiller @CliffordTheBigRedDoggie Saturday meeting anyone?
 anything urgent to discuss?
 Nothing urgent but would be great to discuss a couple things
 could maybe later then if others are about
 Ok
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[17:48] <DarinMiller> I am back if anyone wants to meet.
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[19:32] <tsimonq2> clivejo: ping
[19:33]  * clivejo coughs
[19:34] <tsimonq2> clivejo: Hey, so I'm poking around in mailcommon
[19:35] <tsimonq2> clivejo: Updating symbols, seems like the symbols change you made is just on the unstable branch
[19:36] <tsimonq2> clivejo: Mind if I push or are you working on it at all?
[19:36] <clivejo> does it break ABI?
[19:37] <tsimonq2> Yes it does. But, if there are other changes before it (made by other people) that caused ABI to be broken and the ABI bump hasn't been uploaded to the archive yet, can I assume it's OK to not bump ABI again?
[19:38] <clivejo> unstable is what will be 17.12
[19:38] <tsimonq2> Sure
[19:38] <clivejo> there was talk about releasing 17.08
[19:39] <tsimonq2> clivejo: And while that's good to know, I'm just curious if you have an objection to me pushing this commit.
[19:39] <clivejo> so I been bumping abi
[19:39] <tsimonq2> Ok
[19:39] <clivejo> Ive no objections just make sure it has the relevant changelog entries
[19:40] <tsimonq2> Ok cool
[19:40] <tsimonq2> wfm
[19:40] <clivejo> Workforce Management?
[19:40] <tsimonq2> @acheronuk: Why are there three different UNRELEASED changelog entries? Why not just one?
[19:41] <clivejo> cause we were thinking of releasing 17.08
[19:41] <tsimonq2> Ah ok
[19:41] <tsimonq2> clivejo: Works For Me. :P
[19:41] <tsimonq2> clivejo: Objections to putting that all in one entry?
[19:42] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: because if there weren't, how would you know what changes belonged to what branch in unstable?
[19:42] <clivejo> yeah I object
[19:42] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: ...but this is in unstable?
[19:42] <tsimonq2> clivejo: Ok, not doing then
[19:42] <acheronuk> yes, I object
[19:42] <tsimonq2> Ok
[19:43] <acheronuk> yes, but changelog entries in made in stable get merged up
[19:43] <tsimonq2> Ah k
[19:44] <acheronuk> keeping them separate makes sure they don't end up in the unstable one as well by accident
[19:44] <tsimonq2> Ok
[19:44] <clivejo> tsimonq2: that looks like it needs another ABI bump for 17.11.60
[19:45] <acheronuk> and you can have a different version in each branch, which makes symbol updates easier
[19:45] <tsimonq2> clivejo: But the previous ABI bump never made it out of unstable, right?
[19:45] <tsimonq2> Oh
[19:45] <clivejo> yes and no
[19:45] <clivejo> I use unstable
[19:46] <clivejo> and that will make my PIM crash
[19:46] <tsimonq2> Ok, I'll bump ABI ASAP
[19:46] <clivejo> AGAIN
[19:46] <tsimonq2> clivejo: Then don't update yet :P
[19:46] <clivejo> I won't
[19:46] <clivejo> but just trying to highlight why we do it
[19:47] <tsimonq2> Ok
[19:47] <clivejo> pain in the backside, but it happens for a reason
[19:47] <tsimonq2> ack
[19:47] <tsimonq2> Glad I asked? :P
[19:48] <clivejo> acheronuk: did you ever see in the pangea tooling the naming part?
[19:48] <acheronuk> what part?
[19:48]  * clivejo pets Simon
[19:48] <clivejo> good boy for asking :P
[19:48] <tsimonq2> :P
[19:49] <tsimonq2> c92376c81418461570c5fa10a3f4b4728d232d49 fixes it, pushed
[19:49] <clivejo> the +p16.04 part
[19:49] <acheronuk> need to make a table somewhere of what abi has been bumped in what branch
[19:49] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: Would be helpful
[19:49] <acheronuk> what about it?
[19:49] <clivejo> it never used to do that, and I think Scarlett changed it around about yakkety
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[19:50] <acheronuk> yes. so?
[19:50] <clivejo> can abi versions be made more human?
[19:50] <clivejo> could we use abi17.12 ?
[19:51] <clivejo> or does it have to be integer?
[19:51] <acheronuk> there is probably some debian policy and debhelper rule that would break big style!
[19:51] <tsimonq2> Playing with libkdepim then.
[19:52] <acheronuk> ask santa_
[19:52] <clivejo> tsimonq2 should know
[19:52] <tsimonq2> Actually...
[19:52] <clivejo> debian policy is his bablie
[19:52] <clivejo> bible
[19:52] <tsimonq2> mitya57: Would you happen to know? ^^^^^^^^
[19:52] <tsimonq2> clivejo: True :P
[19:54] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: does 	c92376c81418461570c5fa10a3f4b4728d232d49 fix it?
[19:54] <tsimonq2> 02:49:00 PM < tsimonq2> c92376c81418461570c5fa10a3f4b4728d232d49 fixes it, pushed
[19:54] <acheronuk> or more work needed?
[19:54] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: Yes.
[19:54] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: It fixes it, unless you see a problem?
[19:55] <clivejo> are these Lintian issues just different ways of complaining about the same thing?
[19:55] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: it will crash and burn
[19:56] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: ...oh?
[19:56] <tsimonq2> What did I do?
[19:56] <acheronuk> https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/mailcommon/tree/debian/libkf5mailcommon5abi4.install?h=kubuntu_unstable
[19:56] <acheronuk> still abi3
[19:56] <tsimonq2> Oh damnit
[19:56] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: You're right/
[19:56] <tsimonq2> Fixing.
[19:56] <acheronuk> ditto with the lintian override and .symbols
[19:57] <acheronuk> they all need updating, not just renaming
[19:57] <tsimonq2> Yepo
[19:58] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: in control, Package: libkf5mailcommon-dev still depends on libkf5mailcommon5abi3
[19:58] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: Yep yep I'll take care of it
[19:58] <tsimonq2> It'll have one more symbols crash-and-burn then it'll be fine.
[19:59] <tsimonq2> I'm not perfect at ABI bumps but one day when y'all were sleeping I figured it out. :P
[20:01] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: no problem. I forget steps and **** them up sometimes!
[20:01] <acheronuk> I just noticed, so piped up
[20:01] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: Thanks, otherwise I would have had an "oh ****" moment in about an hour or so :P
[20:02] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: checklist here: https://phabricator.kde.org/w/kubuntu/packaging/symbols-files/
[20:03] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: ack
[20:04] <tsimonq2> Grrrr, libkf5libkdepim5abi1 -> libkf5libkdepim5abi2 is going to need to happen.
[20:05] <acheronuk> I've been putting off looking at all these. especially while fallout and large changes in PIM are still happening after randa
[20:05] <tsimonq2> Ah ok
[20:07] <acheronuk> where to make a table. I hate editing wiki ones!
[20:07] <acheronuk> google speadsheet maybe
[20:07] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: Why not in Phab?
[20:07] <tsimonq2> Like https://phabricator.kde.org/w/kubuntu/packaging/symbols-files/abi-bumps/ or something
[20:07] <acheronuk> has that got spreadsheets?
[20:07] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
[20:07] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project artful_unstable_mailcommon build #117: FIXED in 24 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/artful_unstable_mailcommon/117/
[20:07] <tsimonq2> \o/ &&&
[20:07] <valorie> well, simple ones
[20:07] <tsimonq2> s/&&&/^^^/g
[20:08] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: No but it has tables
[20:08] <valorie> click on the thing that looks like a calendar
[20:08] <valorie> also, I just found out in #kde-sysadmin that phab has a calendar function!
[20:08] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: <acheronuk> where to make a table. I hate editing wiki ones!
[20:08] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: Ohhh you don't mean Ubuntu Wiki. Gotcha.
[20:09] <tsimonq2> clivejo: Let me know if I break your PIM. :P
[20:10] <valorie> huh, there is actually Database and Facts
[20:10] <valorie> interesting
[20:13] <acheronuk> I tried editing this once: https://phabricator.kde.org/w/kubuntu/packaging/status/
[20:14] <acheronuk> and quickly gave up
[20:14] <valorie> https://secure.phabricator.com/book/phabricator/article/remarkup/ is pretty much how to use the wiki
[20:14] <clivejo> acheronuk: just impatient :P
[20:14] <valorie> mparillo is obv. patient
[20:15] <acheronuk> unintelligible wiki formatting https://i.imgur.com/vf3L05d.png
[20:17] <valorie> it is hard to make sense of until you slow down your brain
[20:19] <acheronuk> maybe I should try after a few Whiskys to slow things down then? 
[20:20]  * acheronuk pours one to test
[20:21] <valorie> good move
[20:26] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project artful_stable_calligra build #80: STILL FAILING in 31 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/artful_stable_calligra/80/
[20:32] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project artful_unstable_mailcommon build #118: FAILURE in 24 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/artful_unstable_mailcommon/118/
[20:39] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: ^^^
[20:39] <tsimonq2> acheronuk, clivejo: How you guys wanna do the Plasma 5.11 release in Backports?
[20:39] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: ik, that failure is expected
[20:40] <acheronuk> how?
[20:40] <tsimonq2> I mean timing
[20:40] <clivejo> dput ?
[20:40] <tsimonq2> How you guys want it to go down?
[20:40] <acheronuk> sorta discussed that in KCI channel last night
[20:40] <tsimonq2> Oh :P
[20:41] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: Got logs?
[20:41] <acheronuk> but I was thinking get 5.10.0 done, but not pushed to backports so we can test
[20:41] <acheronuk> 5.11.0
[20:41] <acheronuk> damn. I keep doing that
[20:41] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: Backports Landing or still just Staging?
[20:42] <acheronuk> either
[20:43] <acheronuk> then 5.11.1 comes out 2 days before artful release. so then do that, test again, and push that as soon after artful release as seems ok
[20:43] <tsimonq2> Ok
[20:43] <tsimonq2> Are we going to be anticipating any more Feature Freeze Exceptions or uploads to that nature?
[20:43] <tsimonq2> (for Artful)
[20:44] <tsimonq2> Because if not, we might want to look at the possibility of doing the Debian merges, taking care of 17.10, then doing Plasma
[20:45] <acheronuk> will have to think about timing. 
[20:48] <acheronuk> plasma schedule is Fibonacci, so that gives us 5.11.1 and 5.11.2 a week apart, and 2 weeks then until 5.11.3
[20:48] <tsimonq2> Ah ok
[20:48] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: I think waiting for 5.11.1 works then just do the point releases following
[20:49] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: One thing we can consider doing is waiting for 5.39 so we can do the new Plasma after that, and release it all into Backports at once.
[20:49] <tsimonq2> (Frameworks 5.39)
[20:52] <acheronuk> 5.11.1 is a few days after FW 5.39 release, and a week and a bit after we get 5.39 pre-release tars, so I already assumed that would be there. just a question on on what branches
[20:53] <tsimonq2> Ah ok
[20:53] <tsimonq2> I think Backports branches
[20:54] <acheronuk> we can work something out. if plasma backport gets pushed back a little, it's just one of those things
[20:54] <tsimonq2> Ok
[20:54] <acheronuk> a little = a week or 2
[20:54] <tsimonq2> ack
[20:55] <acheronuk> hopefully Mark will name the b-series quickly
[20:55] <tsimonq2> Exactly.
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[21:11] <clivejo> acheronuk tsimonq2: what does this mean? https://lintian.debian.org/tags/transitional-package-should-be-oldlibs-optional.html
[21:11] <clivejo> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/338139547/buildlog_ubuntu-artful-amd64.solid_5.38.0+p17.10+git20170923.1546-0_BUILDING.txt.gz
[21:11] <clivejo> it is oldlibs/extra
[21:13] <clivejo> of has someone copied/pasted the content and forgot to update it to oldlibs/optional ?
[21:15] <acheronuk> https://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/upgrading-checklist.txt
[21:16] <acheronuk> The "extra" priority has been deprecated and should be treated as
[21:16] <acheronuk>    equivalent to "optional". All "extra" priorities should be changed
[21:16] <acheronuk>    to "optional". Packages with a priority of "optional" may conflict
[21:16] <acheronuk>    with each other (but packages that both have a priority of
[21:16] <acheronuk>    "standard" or higher still may not conflict).
[21:17] <clivejo> then what is https://lintian.debian.org/tags/transitional-package-should-be-oldlibs-optional.html waffling on about
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[21:19] <acheronuk> looks like that has not been update properly
[21:20] <clivejo> tsimonq2: knit pick that :P
[21:37]  * tsimonq2 shrugs
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[22:11] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
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[22:38] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
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