 somebody send me the link for the channel please
 How did you get here without the link
 it's my first time going to try this, i have no idea how it works and would love to restore just one app. so before i head i wanna know this. as it's ubuntu an app like Titanium wouldn't work, right?
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 Anyone have screenshots of the new flashlight stuff?
 @ahoneybun, flashlight stuff?
 The new toggle but I just found it on YouTube
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/uOot2Ib1/file_778.jpg
 @ahoneybun ^
 Lovely
 but it's only for (n5, opo and fp2) since it require a qcom kernel driver that's not on all devices
 others are coming in ota3
 Cool
 @Lorxu I'd really like to see an Asteroid OS watch by a US company too
 I'm in the AW mostly but not against another OS
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 @UniversalSuperBox, lol, thought there was a channel. this is a group
 anywho
 i'm stuck here
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/IZk4Foc8/file_780.png
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/WTt7oLTr/file_781.png
 been over 10-15 mins now
 am i doing something wrong ?
 @looney_tkp, Please try with the UBports installer. install with `sudo snap install ubports-installer --devmode`
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/IH3SxoQK/file_782.png
 This is the CPT too, with is an old tool, please try with the new ubports-installer
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/2l5WLHaP/file_784.png
 @looney_tkp, ok
 @mariogrip, oo okk, lemme cancel it then
 @mariogrip, snap command not found
 @looney_tkp, what distro do you use?
 mint 18.2
 so apt get eh ?
 @looney_tkp, Here is a deb package https://github.com/ubports/ubports-installer/releases/download/0.1.7-beta/ubports-installer_0.1.7-beta_amd64.deb
 thanks...will get back here incase i face an error
 hoping not to face one :D
 :)
 @looney_tkp, did it work?
 yhurp it did
 thanks
 i'm checking it out now :D
 dont lnow if this is reported, so please ignore if it already has been....i treid creating a hotspot name and password and it hanged, it also turned off my wifi and now it neither searches for new ones nor connects back to the previous one
 @wayneoutthere, Did anyone figure it out? I also have bugs
 is there a currently recommended version of dekko?
 i downloaded the version in the store and when I touch focus on an input no keyboard appears and so I can't fill out my details
 It's a big with multi window apps. Pull down an indicator, pull over the dock, or move to the window switcher and back to fix it.
 @UniversalSuperBox, I'm working on that bug atm, I seem to have found the issue, will do some more testing tomarrow on it
 @UniversalSuperBox thanks
 with that i was able to create the account
 but the inbox page is empty
 I'm using kolabnow imap
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 oh the inbox is filled now... I guess I just needed to be patient :)
 looks great :)
 @DanChapman thank you this is awesome!
 rich text / html email is looking great in this
[03:22] <tgBot10> bam80 was added by: bam80
 @bam80, Welcome Андрей
 why ain't you sleepin?
[04:37] <tgBot> Keii25 was added by: Keii25
 @Christopher, 👍
 We will hit 800 soon...
 Which programming languages are used on UT. Mostly C++?
 Normally C++ with Qt, or just Qt by itself
 Darn. Not my field of Exüertise :/
 you can use python + qml with pyotherside
 If I wanna help in the low level, wich language I've to know?
 Which would be the easiest project to start working on. I am Java Developer
 @DanChapman, Yes, but not with PyQt, which I wish Canonical would've specified when they said "we support Python too"
 *is still a bit angry at that* >.>
 @twinkybot, Qt shouldn't be too alien for an android developer
 @Lorxu, Is there technical reasons for that or is it something ubports could consider adding?
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 I am mostly working on Backend with Java. So no C++ and QT except during my studies :)
 @DanChapman, As far as I know the only problem is it not being preinstalled like pyotherside and there being no proper packaging instructions
 I guess I can ship pyqt myself if I had good packaging instructions
 Although I no longer have an Ubuntu Touch tablet anyway
 Canonical was honestly really frustrating to deal with
 Oh cool so it's "possible". I think we should really consider having it in the image. Alot of people know python and it's easier to get an app going which would hopefully mean more native apps instead of bookmarks (aka webapps)
 Pyotherside is probably cleaner, but PyQt supports Qt 5, think Pyotherside still doesn't
 I like pyotherside but it get's real messy rather quick when your app starts to get complex. At least with pyqt you get proper signal/slots and qproperties and all that goodness.
 pyotherside supports qt5 btw
 ^so it's a bit more complex for the developer, but it results in an app with cleaner code, a more modern toolkit and a smaller footprint?
 @josueqb, Entiendo. Bu I go to sleep. I found by scopes searching. Do you search in uAppstore, too?
 @mariogrip, 👍.
[07:33] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/LnqXTHaV/file_786.jpg
[07:35] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> Está en ubuntu store, Look at Ubuntu store
 @mariogrip, the exynos is ARM, but ubports focus to snapdragon chipset, right? There are a lot of devices with it. It's similar like mediatek driver, I guess.
 @Jaume81, Wut, all those devices are ARM processors ;)
 @Flohack, Yes, but you have problems with mediatek support, right? exynosI think you coment before. I guess with the exynos too. Because Marius says in message.
 Holly sit!! Keyboard's bug.
 No I think Exynos is better to some degree...
 If I understand well, I think too. Exynos is better than mediatek. But I think Ubports focus to snapdragon and it's understandable because there are a lot of devices. And of course, OP3 is more better than Pro5. Although Pro5 surprised me a lot, only the front camera need more light to good photos, maybe a screenflash?
 @YougoChats, Pyotherside or pyqt?
[08:19] <jcgruenhage> now that jaume81 mentioned it, how is the OP3 coming along? I'd love to try this out :D
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 @DanChapman, pyqt
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[08:58] <ButSkirtsKidneys> good morning , nim nom nom
 @YougoChats, Yeah it's a little more complex but you can create custom QML components and plugins without having to share the python modules global state. which is what I find messy with pyotherside.
 @Flohack, I didn't think about it, but I like it🔝! thanks
[09:38] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @Flohack Hi, small question, do you know where had gone my settings translation?
[09:38] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> (Photo, 719x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/vz5Y0bBa/file_787.jpg
[09:39] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> (Photo, 719x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/03qtyMuI/file_789.jpg
[09:44] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @mariogrip, Hi Marius, many regards, 32 bit architecture tool is not available ?
 @sverzegnassi do you still have that script that unpacked debs into the click install directory?
 @sverzegnassi not to worry. Just remembered it's in the FM tree
 @Milan Korecky, try with the AppImage version https://github.com/ubports/ubports-installer/releases/download/0.1.7-beta/ubports-installer-0.1.7-beta-x86_64.AppImage
[09:59] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> Thanks
 Good job guys, apparently you broke Matrix: https://github.com/vector-im/riot-web/issues/5116
 @Milan Korecky, Hi, we had some merge conflict, I will look into this, hope its not gone ;)
 @Lorxu, o_0
[10:50] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @Flohack, OMG!!!, but maybe we could download from what we have already out in OS, crossing fingers to save my work. 😂
[11:06] <tgBot> Maamoon was added by: Maamoon
 @Maamoon, Welcome!
 thanks mike
 Welcome maamoon
 @Flohack i noticed that the updated clock and the camera weren't in OTA-2, should i do anything to get them released?
 Hello everybody,  … I have many problems with my bq Aquaris E5 and I need help and I hope someone has an idea to fix.  … First I have some mistaken videos and pictures wich I cannot delete. These files are not shown in the gallery (where I could delete some). I did not find any other way to delete these files. They cannot be found in the phablet directories too. How to delete?  … I assume there are some issues perhaps in the config files or so
[11:36] <tgBot> see these files because my file manager says "There are no apps installed wich can process the contents of this type." I have installed document viewer, writer, edit, seabass. What special kind of viewer is needed to see config files?  … Yesterday I got the OTA2 but nothing has changed (as expected).
 @mariogrip, should plz you give me link to the driver i want add it in my kernel
 4g
 apologies got it wrong
 :)
 Nexus 5 does the 4G work?
 @prpleXist, It does on mine.
 @BrisPete, Thank
[12:25] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @Nikfrager, Are not you looking scope gallery instead gallery app? As the scope gallery displays images from different sources, like Telegram...
 @Milan Korecky, I am using scope app. In this app, all is working as expected. But not all videos and pictures are shown in gallery.
[12:29] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> It is amazing the location GPS improvement we get with OTA2, so quick. 👍👍👍
[12:31] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @Nikfrager, Can you send the screen image were are those images, videos you do not see at gallery app?
 there is no whatsapp scope right!!?
 @Eranuzan, Sorry yes, the CI build train still has issues with building all the apps. But we will come up with openstore updates for them as soon as we have it. For the apps, its not sooo important to be ready on OTA. We can release them all the time we want
[12:38] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> Nevertheless, Emanuele Sorce is the gallery app developer, try to ask also at the openstore telegram group
[12:39] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @gostranger, No
 ok ty
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/CsfTUmLC/file_790.mp4
 how is the battery backup after installing ubport?
 is it improved or the same or degraded?
[12:48] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> Compared to? Device? Ubuntu by Canonical or Ubports, ota 1 x ota 2?
 like suppose you have nexus 5 android and nexus 5 ubuntu after
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/2xiaS9PZ/file_792.png
 ok, here is one
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[13:00] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> @Nikfrager, do you mean with "They are not shown in the gallery" that there are files inside your videos folder (that you saw via "files") which are only displayed as white spaces instead of a preview (5310... for example in your pcture)
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/piMzPuvx/file_794.png
 And here is another one
[13:04] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> i don't really get what your problem is... There are pictures shown in your screenshot or am i missing something? 😃
 @demokrit atomos, No, I see these videos via he scope "videos" under "My videos". I mean the two videos named "recording" and the two whites.
 @demokrit atomos, The problem is that I cannot delete these unwanted videos and pictures.
 @mariogrip, dang...  i wonder if there is a way to communicate this message to other devices who can't get this?  Such as 'looking for the flashlight? " and then a link that explains why i'ts not there.  I almost reflashed because I heard it was supposed to be there but could not see it....
[13:08] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> ah sorry didn't get that... and with "they cannot be found in the phablet directories" you mean you have looked via Dateimanager or with terminal or which way?
 @mariogrip, you will again become a daily hero if you fix this one! haha.  Easy way to win friends and influence people...
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 @demokrit atomos, Yes, with the Dateimanager or via Terminal.
[13:17] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> and you tried deleting them but this only worked with some of them?
[13:17] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> (sorry if i ask everthing you already wrote a second time, just want to make shure i understand correctly)
[13:17] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @Nikfrager, Did you try UT tweak tool, attention this would delete all, back up first
 @demokrit atomos, Yes, I have one only way to delete, when they are shown in the Gallery. But they are not shown.
[13:19] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> if you find the files you can also remove them via terminal with a simple "rm <yourfile>"
 @demokrit atomos, That is the problem: I cannot find the files.
[13:23] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> you can try with one of those long numbered names within the terminal with the find command: "sudo find / -name '5310095684131618909'"
 ^ i tested a bit, and "my Videos" scope  looks for videos in "Music", "Pictures" and "Videos" folders,
[13:25] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> if the file still exists the find command should find it whereever it is (the "/" makes it start from the rootfs that's also why it requires sudo)
 @Flohack, Thanks :) just wanted to  make sure I don't need to release it 😉
[13:29] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> any luck @Nikfrager?
 @demokrit atomos, No, the anser is "no such file or directory"
[13:34] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> so maybe only the mediascanner-video scope has these files still cached and they are in fact deleted?
 it should be safe to delete the My Videos scope cache. it will refresh anyway?
 @demokrit atomos, If they are deleted, why can I see / play them?
 if you can even play them they do exist 🤔
 @YougoChats, Where can I find that cache?
 do you have UT tweak tool installed?
[13:38] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @YougoChats, I think so, should try with tweaktool
 @YougoChats, Yes, I have.
 hmm. i'm looking in UT Tweak tool myself now, and the Videos or My Videos scope isn't listed, at least not separately😕
 the idea was to clear it's cache from there
[13:44] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> Scope name is My photos I see it
 look under top left menu, select "Apps Scopes
 @YougoChats, Yes, I see it too. The only cache I could delete is from the gallery.
 FWIW, the mediascanner database is located at ~/.cache/mediascanner-2.0/mediastore.db … Also if you read the mediascanner log in ~/.cache/upstart it would tell you the locations of all the files it has found (or you can open the db with a sqlite browser and do the same)
 @Milan Korecky, This cache is empty (0 bytes).
 @Ben, Hi Ben, how did you get the news to the Today Scope? I also would like to have DerStandard there.
 (Photo, 540x960) https://irc.ubports.com/p3WtzT6A/file_797.jpg
 I installed the rss reader scope
 @ahayzen, @Nikfrager can you open the terminal app and type: … ' sudo mv ~/.cache/mediascanner-2.0/mediastore.db  ~/.cache/xxxmediascanner-2.0/mediastore.db '
 you'll need to restart the service as well if you are doing that IIRC
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/KEISFSyk/file_799.jpg
 @Ben, Thanks Ben, works like a charm :)
 it will rename the cache folder Andrew mentioned.  then restart the My Video's scope and see if it helps
 @savetier, ;)  … Are you from Austria?
 @Ben, Yes :)
 if it didn't you can revert the change with `sudo mv ~/.cache/xxxmediascanner-2.0/mediastore.db  ~/.cache/mediascanner-2.0/mediastore.db`
 @savetier, Na passt. Ich auch ^^
 @Ben, Hab ich mir gedacht, mit dem Standard im Feed :)
 @savetier, :)
 (Photo, 540x960) https://irc.ubports.com/S8MQBn22/file_801.jpg
 @savetier, Welches Smartphone hast du?
 @Ben, BQ Aquaris 4.5
 @savetier, Ok :)
 @YougoChats, I did it. Termial answer is: mv :  target ......is not a directory
 sorry i made a mistake in the command. try `sudo mv ~/.cache/mediascanner-2.0/mediastore.db  ~/.cache/mediascanner-2.0/xxxmediastore.db`
 then you might need to run ```restart mediascanner-2.0``` after that to get mediascanner to refresh as the process keeps running and it caches the db. Note that restarting mediascanner will cause it to regenerate a new database
 if you watch the mediascanner log, it'll display a list of paths to the files it is attempting to scan
[14:05] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> (that would be @ ~/.cache/upstart/mediascanner-2.0.log)
 yup
 @YougoChats, Now I have no videos if I change to My videos. In the Video scope, they are still shown.
 ok. follow up with what @ahayzen said
 @YougoChats, Ok, now I have only two videos in My videos. That seems to be ok.
 (Sticker, 512x392) https://irc.ubports.com/rFguL0Tx/file_802.webp
 and when you refresh the Videos scope?
 @YougoChats, There are shown only these two videos too. Thank you!
 and the gallery app? also only those two?
 if all apps agree then we're good
 then the last thing to do is to remove the renamed bad database
 `sudo rm ~/.cache/mediascanner-2.0/xxxmediastore.db`
 Dear gentlemen, I am planning to flash my bacon with ubuntu touch this evening. Now I wonder, how can I contribute to the proj besides dontaion? I can do some python and C++
 But I am a potato
 @inchw0rm, *boils you*
 @YougoChats, Yes, the Gallery shows only these two. But this has been so every time.
 Gallery app doesn't use mediascanner, it has it's own scanning system that just looks in ~/Pictures IIRC
 only the music, video, photo scopes and the music-app use mediascanner from what i remember
 @ahayzen, no i tested, it looks in other places too
 not in music, but it does in pictures and videos
 but if all apps agree on which videos are there, it's ok
 @YougoChats, Gallery is not the problem. It works fine. The problems are the pictures not shown in Gallery.
 ok :) but all is fine now, right?
 @YougoChats, No, I have many pictures not shown in Gallery which I cannot delete.
 uh ok, then we need to replace that database too
 @YougoChats, yeah it seems to add MOVIES location to it's search path if no pictures dir is given at the command line http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/gallery-app/trunk/view/head:/src/util/resource.cpp#L49
 @ahayzen can you give @klaus the location of Gallery's database?
 it'll probably be in either ~/.cache/gallery-app ~/.config/gallery-app ~/.local/share/gallery-app   or maybe the name will be com.ubuntu.gallery-app
 ...
 better do that one through UT Tweak tool?
 @ahayzen, I do not understand this action. Gallery shows the wanted pictures, but I want to delete the unwanted pictures not shown in Gallery.
 http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/gallery-app/trunk/view/head:/src/util/resource.cpp#L121 is where it could be ... so either the QStandardPaths::DataLocation or if it can't write there you pictures folder both in a subfolder called "database"  .. i suspect its database will be in ~/.local/share/gallery-app/database
 @gostranger, No. You have Telegram. Just say and invite your friends and family.
 @Nikfrager, And in which app/scope do you see these unwanted pictures?
 Hello I've got some issues with my camera on the OPO bacon device...I cannot zoom in...is there someone who has the same problem?
 yeah
 there isn't
[16:16] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> Fwd from DarkFury: Cameras in Custom ROMs: How Developers Make Hardware Work without Source Code … https://www.xda-developers.com/cameras-custom-roms-developers-make-hardware-work-without-source-code/
 @looney_tkp, Answer on what question?
 @gostranger, lol, network problems sorry...i replied to that
 @Vijay Kumar, 👍
 @Ben, Me to :) Ibk.
 i can't find this group when i log into telegram … so weird :D
 The Telegram app on Ubuntu Touch does not support supergroups yet. You can use the WebTelegram app to get around this.
 aarh okk, thanks :)
 also sometimes my n5 doesn't wake from sleep
 is it correct that you dont see any wifi or gsm icon in the indicator section
 (Photo, 540x960) https://irc.ubports.com/EeaAh3nH/file_804.jpg
 i restarted it a couple of times
 and telegram stays white and dekko crashes while opening
 since the browser works fine I am connected and the phone works fine too
[17:18] <tgBot> initcreator was added by: initcreator
[17:20] <maxnader> hello, how can you play a sound file on ubuntu touch during a call made programatically? intention is to speak text alerts from nagios via espeak, but i cant even manage to aplay a file, and when speaker is on aplay is loud but somehow gets masked on the other end you hear nothing
[17:20] <maxnader> open to recompile the stack to get this working but not sure where the restriction is from
[17:20] <maxnader> using FP2
[17:22] <maxnader> aplay -l crashes the phone during a call, i tried a for loop playing on all devices, some crashed the phone, the rest are not working
[17:27] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> Only -4 to go
[17:32] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> @UniversalSuperBox  @wayneoutthere and Joe (sorry but I forgot your username ) I think we should get our own stickers for this group. What do think. It's easy to make I think. But it needs some artistically creative people to make those.
 (Sticker, 507x512) https://irc.ubports.com/rHRqdUcB/file_805.webp
[17:33] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> e.g. php triggered Marius or do you trust this man Marius
[17:33] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> Ooh yeah that's what I am talking about
[17:33] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> Ooh we have those
[17:33] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> Thanks
[17:33] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> But add some more there are only few
 @UlrikeSoltau, Try this, it solved the problem for me : rm .config/connectivity-service/config.ini.lock
 @Alexander, Thanks, that did the trick at least for the indicator line and dekko, I guess I have to work on telegram
 Does Dekko2 support Gmail with 2FA enabled? I can't get Dekko2 to log in to my Gmail.  😕
 Fyrtioförsta avsnittet [Marius Gripsgard, UBPorts] – Linuxpodden … https://linuxpodden.nu/podcast/fyrtioforsta-avsnittet-marius-gripsgard-ubports/
 @UlrikeSoltau, For Telegram try to delete the cache with ut tweak tool or ask @Flohack for more Tipps und Ticks !
 @artfors, If you understand Swedish and Norwegian we have a interview whit Marius Gripsgard.
 @ronnietucker, You probably get an email in which you can allow dekko
[18:04] <tgBot> Salmoria88 was added by: Salmoria88
 Is there a way to change the icons and the icon size on the apps scope? I don't mean Falcon, but the built-in one.
 @ronnietucker, not yet. Once integration with online accounts is done 2FA should start working as well.
 you have to do the old "less secure apps" business
 or you could get an app specific password from your google settings
 @DanChapman, Seems fair enough. I've no interesting emails for hackers to steal anyway.  😀
 https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/185833?hl=en if you want to keep your 2fa enabled
 @DanChapman, Ooh. Looks interesting. I'll give that a looksy. Thanks!
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 @ronnietucker, Greetings Ronnie. Nice to see you on here 👍
 @Stereofont, Hi!  👍
 @DanChapman, Yep. That worked. Thanks!  👍
 you know what would be cool? an indicator with all the stuff in it (at leat the most used stuff like volume, flashlight, wif etc) and put it in the left corner so it would be like simple easy to triger
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/25XMcfCm/file_806.webp
 @UlrikeSoltau, Thats not correct. Certain Apps like Telegram rely on the network-indicator to give the state of the network connection
 Does anyone have an idea how to get e.g. for Mattermost the notifications going without paying Apple 400$ per year?
 (Photo, 768x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/ZOqcdHXe/file_808.jpg sumting laik this
 Has anyone some knwoledge. Maybe about https://uniqush.org/
 @twinkybot, Context?
 Just a message before. Need some push notification e.g. for Mattermost without paying the developer fee for apple
 Found this: https://docs.mattermost.com/mobile/mobile-overview.html
 There have been some ideas here and there. Simplest would be to check for messages periodically.
 Would use battery, but that's the trade off for not putting your notifications on someone else's computer
 Yeah but it defeats kinda the purpose of having a own chattool if it is only doing half of the job
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/gkSe4P02/file_810.jpg
 @popescu_sorin, It's a feature for those with Smoll hands
 and big screens
 @popescu_sorin, Aye
 @twinkybot, Right now we don't have a notification service set in stone.
 Yeah but if I have an own server to let a service run. This should work.
 In Mattermost at least one can configure a URL where to the push notifications are coming from
 Or do I understand it wrong?
[19:39] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> would be nice to have an option so people with their own server can choose to have a remote notification system and others can choose the local battery drainer :)
[19:40] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> btw @twinkybot maybe this helps?: https://forums.ubports.com/topic/399/notifications-working-ubports-is-now-my-daily-driver
 He rigged up a mighty strange XMPP based notification system, yes
 Hm thanks for the link. Let's see
 @demokrit atomos, I think that the server costs of this would eat us alive in short order.
 As well as having to hire a couple of administrators to assure the uptime that people expect from a notification service (100%)
[19:44] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> i didn't mean that ubports should have a server and give users the option to easily host their own
[19:44] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> sorry mixed that up...
[19:45] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> what i meant is: i don't mean ubports should host the notifications server but implement the option and docu to easily host it individualy
 I've thought on the issue as well. The problem is that it becomes unclear very quickly where a service provider should send notificatoins.
 We can't tell Telegram, "Hey. We have x users on this notification service. However, x users have registered on their own server, and you need to talk to each and every one of them."
 It becomes a headache for them to implement, not only us.
[19:50] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> but couldn't a normal desktop or CLI client of telegram run on the self-hosted server and simply pull every message like on a normal desktop client, bundle this into a notification and forward it to the phone? This would eliminate any inclusion of the upstream telegram people right?
 Sure. You could probably rig telegram-cli up to do that.
 But now you're still putting the onus on the service provider to provide a notification plugin for the server. Whereas with the Apple or Google push services it's an API call.
[19:56] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> never heard of onus, thanks for improving my vocab 😜.... regarding the topic; who do you mean with service provider here? i mean implementing this "host your own telegram nofitications business" is up to the people who want it, i personally would use the "drain my battery option" so the self-hosters would need to write their notifications-plugin or whatever but it would be nice if they could then simply configurate the Ubports phone to acce
[19:56] <tgBot> notifications server
[19:57] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> IMHO 😉
 click
 Aha
 If done right, the notification service could be the same on the phone and on the push server. A notification watcher that worked on one could also work on the other.
[19:59] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> sounds great
 The only thing that changes is where you're sending the notification...
 You can either send it to the GUI or pass it to another notification service running on another host.
[20:02] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> i think we have reached mental convergence 😜
 It would be convergence, too... The portion of the app that runs in the background on the phone just gets installed on the server. It's not any the wiser.
[20:03] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> unfortunately i have to leave now but it was great fun having this conversation 😆 cya
 Authentication could be a pain if not done correctly...
 I don't think I have the skills to pull this off correctly, but I definitely have the concept in mind now.
[20:04] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> that's the first step, now we (you ;-D) have to right it down and get someone to do it four us 😆
[20:04] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> *write not right
 wright.
[20:04] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> well, really have to leave now, bye
 Bye!
 2 Mord to 800 :)
 We want nobody to die 😂
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 @nfsprodriver, Speak for yourself :P
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 (Photo, 540x960) https://irc.ubports.com/b5SHLVs3/file_813.jpg Finally took the time to replace the ugly icons with the Faenza icons. I know, the design is not the priority, but eyecandy is also important.
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/hhYJCvym/file_814.webp
 @YougoChats, I see the picture in the scope My pictures
 @NikosChat, I see the picture in the scope My Photos
 have you pulled down the scope?
 @NikosChat, I don't understand. What means "pull down"?
 when on My Photos scope try to swipe towards down
 Ok, it seems I got it. I switched off this scope and than I switched it on. As result all these pictures has been. disappeared. That's it. Thanks.
 you just needed to reload the scope
 @NikosChat, Yes, that's it.
 @savetier, Wow, that looks GREAT
 @kz6fittycent, Thanks, James :)
 (Photo, 372x122) https://irc.ubports.com/Fnp94Ggr/file_816.jpg Just found this gem on ubports/system-settings
 @savetier, 👌
 my device keeos turning off on its own 😔
 (Photo, 1920x1200) https://irc.ubports.com/8rvlmdfj/file_818.jpg
 Is anybody else having trouble with the open app store? I can't download any apps. They just keep trying to update.
 @looney_tkp, does anyone using an n5 experience this please ?
 @rchar66, ❤❤❤
 @rchar66, Probably a temporary error. It should begin working again if you restart?
 @looney_tkp, As in, the phone shuts down or the screen turns off
 it shuts down
 it doesn't turn on when i power it, i have to enter bootloader and start it there
 it only does this when it's idle
 Enter bootloader?
 the fastboot menu
 You can't boot by holding the power button?
 I've heard of Nexus 5's with failing power buttons, but that doesn't seem right.
 I don't have a failing power button, i fixed that issue...I'd have to press the power button for sometime to boot it
 the fastest way is booting via fastboot
 You need to hold the power button for a long time to boot it? Is it warm when that happens?
 naarh it's not warm
 In any case, really strange. Any chance you can use the UBports Installer to reflash it?
 let me let it sleep and see what happens again
 I haven't heard of that behavior before.
 @UniversalSuperBox, i would if it happens again
 Sounds good
 :)
 a question
 if i enable developer mode and use an app like webapp bla bla
 and then turn it off again, could this cause an issue ?
 No, I don't think so.
 I tried yesterday and today with the same results.
 If it did, you could just turn it back on.
 @UniversalSuperBox, okk, i turned off my lock cos i kinda hate unlocking everytime it sleeps … that turned off developer mode(that was hours ago, and this started issue just a few mins ago. i don't know if it's related but I've turned it back on and put it to sleep to test
 it's still on, I'm sure that was the cause
 cos my device rebooted when i turned on developer mode :/