[12:25] <ochosi> flocculant, Unit193: the decision what to include in terms of gtk3 components in 18.04 can be taken on a component level
[12:25] <ochosi> no need to take or leave everything
[12:25] <ochosi> things are compatible with each other mostly
[16:44] <flocculant> ochosi: thanks for the info there :)
[17:09] <flocculant> ochosi: currently have 2 network icons, no idea how to restart applet and systemctl is something other than networking - don't want to guess - just want to do whatever you want to get an answer :D
[17:10] <flocculant> network-manager.service  network-online.target < I'd assume service there 
[17:14] <flocculant> one is notification area the other in indicators btw
[17:34] <ochosi> flocculant: yeah, that's what i expected (one here, one there)
[17:34] <ochosi> ok then try "killall nm-applet" and then just start it again with "nm-applet"
[17:34] <ochosi> for me the networking service is there, so systemctl restart networking works
[17:34] <ochosi> you can also try sudo systemctl restart network-manager
[17:35] <flocculant> ok - done that - 1 left now
[17:36] <flocculant> ochosi: re systemctl, I guess changes in artful then perhaps
[17:36] <ochosi> right, so it's a problem with the startup sequence in the session i guess
[17:36] <flocculant> in indicators
[17:36] <ochosi> if restarting it fixes it
[17:37] <flocculant> yup
[17:37] <flocculant> ochosi: not sure if I mentioned this is one of those 'sometime' things
[17:37] <ochosi> to me it sounds like: nm-applet is started before the panel or the indicator service is up, so it starts with tray icon. as soon as indicator-application is initiatlized it also shows up there
[17:37] <ochosi> yeah, just a race condition in the session startup
[17:37] <flocculant> yup
[17:38] <ochosi> we would need a clean sequence instead of starting everything at once :)
[17:38] <flocculant> :)
[17:38] <ochosi> not sure that's possible with xfce4-session currently
[17:39] <flocculant> want release notes to mention it?
[17:46] <ochosi> dunno, it's fairly random and has no functional impact
[17:47] <ochosi> i mean yeah, now you have two ways to switch to a different wifi...
[17:47] <ochosi> in theory this should affect the installed session too
[17:47] <ochosi> but i guess you see it more often in the live install because the session start is slower, so it more often exposes this race condition
[17:47] <flocculant> ochosi: yup - I was talking about installed here
[17:47] <ochosi> bluesabre: what're your thoughts on this ^ ?
[17:48] <flocculant> and for the record - 13 minutes later I now actually have 0 network in panel
[17:49] <ochosi> ehm... without restarting the network-manager service in the meantime?
[17:49] <ochosi> or maybe nm-applet was attached to the term you started it from and then you closed the terminal..?
[17:49] <flocculant> restarted nm-applet is all
[17:50] <flocculant> possibly :D
[17:50] <flocculant> anyway - back a bit later 
[17:50] <ochosi> okeydokey
[17:51] <flocculant> cyphermox: any idea's why I'd suddenly not see bug 1047384 ?
[17:52] <flocculant> oh ... forgot he was in here - thought I was in -release lol
[17:52] <flocculant> bbl still :)
[17:55] <cyphermox> no idea, I didn't change this
[17:55] <cyphermox> one option might be that keybord-configuration and others were old, broken, so you'd just never get that panel until it got fixed?
[19:29] <flocculant> cyphermox: ok - thanks, not sure what you mean about panel though
[20:05] <cyphermox> well, that dialog in the installer
[20:13] <flocculant> mmm - still not so sure - everything today appears to be the same as it was last time I checked encrypt installs *shrug*
[22:11] <bluesabre> ochosi, flocculant, yeah, there's not a great solution to that. I see similar issues where qt apps load before xfce does, so the fonts and rendering are crap until restarting the app
[22:45] <Unit193> bluesabre: BTW, I'm leaving lightdm-gtk-greeter for you. :>
[22:46] <Unit193> #829931 is at least fixed with it.