[06:22] <m0o> hello
[06:22] <m0o> is there a limitation on scaling for Ubuntu 7.10 due to GNOME 3?
[06:23] <m0o> I understand fractional scaling is not yet supported?
[16:37] <nacc> anyone else see this today (I just got it): https://imgur.com/a/n4EIw
[16:39] <flocculant> nacc: nope - but then in synaptic the name was correct :D
[16:40] <flocculant> and no amazon stuff here either as not Ubuntu 
[17:52] <nacc> flocculant: funny
[17:59] <flocculant> nacc: I did actually boot a few day old iso - and see what that said, just got the expected Ubuntu Base for the updates you were showing
[18:00] <flocculant> but I do run Xubuntu
[18:01] <nacc> flocculant: hrm, interesting
[18:03] <flocculant> I obviously had more in the list than you - extra stuff since iso needed more updating
[19:52] <scootergrisen> Are GNOME used in the files on http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ ?
[19:52] <scootergrisen> I want to test translations in GNOME
[19:54] <scootergrisen> How do i find this link http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ through the ubuntu.com website?
[20:21] <scootergrisen> If i try to start ubuntu GNOME and select danish language during boot when GNOME starts not everything is translated. What could the reason be?
[20:24] <valorie> scootergrisen: file a bug please if you are using the latest
[20:24] <valorie> although that is probably a GNOME bug
[20:24] <valorie> errr, maybe
[20:24] <valorie> I know that in KDE we have our own wonderful team of translators
[20:24] <scootergrisen> Could to little memory do it?
[20:25] <valorie> unsure how the gnomish translations are handled
[20:25] <valorie> no
[20:25] <valorie> there is a package, and if not all strings are translated, you get what's there
[20:25] <valorie> so if you have *any* translations, the packaging is correct
[20:26] <valorie> if you have incomplete translations, it is either the Ubuntu translation team didn't get it all done, or the GNOME team -- and I don't know how that works
[20:26] <nacc> https://l10n.gnome.org/teams/da/
[20:26] <scootergrisen> GNOME is translated to danish, but for som reason not used in ubuntu live if i select danish during boot... in the one on http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[20:26] <nacc> upstream implies that it's pretty well translated
[20:29] <scootergrisen> In GNOME settings for some reason language is set to english... even though i selected danish during boot
[20:30] <scootergrisen> Maybe danish is not included in the ISO but have to be downloaded?
[20:30] <nacc> is language-pack-gnome-da installed?
[20:33] <scootergrisen> I guess its this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-meta/+bug/1671395 so i guess only en, es, zh (simplified), pt, de, fr, it, ru is in live
[20:34] <valorie> nacc: please report that on the qatracker
[20:34] <valorie> today is the day to get the final beta all ship-shape
[20:34] <nacc> valorie: the amazon thing i saw today? will do
[20:34]  * genii makes more coffee
[20:34] <valorie> amazon thing?
[20:34] <nacc> valorie: which thing did you want me to report?
[20:35] <scootergrisen> i dont know what qatracker is
[20:35] <valorie> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/382/builds/157664/testcases
[20:35] <valorie> !
[20:35] <valorie> why are you running Artful if you aren't reporting bugs?
[20:35] <nacc> valorie: https://imgur.com/a/n4EIw
[20:35] <nacc> heh
[20:35] <valorie> seriously, that's what this chan is for
[20:35] <valorie> developing the next release
[20:35] <nacc> valorie: I agree
[20:36] <valorie> I have no clue what that is, and Kubuntu doesn't supply it
[20:36] <scootergrisen> Did you want me to report that on qatracker?
[20:36] <valorie> the amazon thing
[20:36] <nacc> valorie: yep, neither do I  -- wasn't sure what you wanted me to report, as I was just trying to help scootergrisen 
[20:36] <valorie> I want you to report the incomplete translations
[20:36] <nacc> scootergrisen: fyi, there is LP: #1520278
[20:37] <valorie> sorry, mixed up issues
[20:37] <nacc> which implies danish is not intended to be translated on live
[20:37] <nacc> valorie: np
[20:37] <valorie> if you have completed any of the mandatory tests, please help out us release managers and report your results
[20:38] <nacc> scootergrisen: seems like you are aware of the bugs (and have gotten responses in a few of them)
[20:38] <valorie> we all want to mark our final Beta images as ready to rock ASAP
[20:39] <scootergrisen> nacc: What have i forgotten to respond to?
[20:40] <scootergrisen> It just seems strange that if i boot live and select danish language i get a mixed experience with part in danish and part in english
[20:40] <nacc> scootergrisen: I don't believe I used the word forgot?
[20:41] <scootergrisen> nacc ok i read forgotten
[20:41] <valorie> scootergrisen: you can still respond to that bug report 
[20:41] <valorie> and then link that on the qatracker
[20:41] <scootergrisen> Yeah i was just thinking it would be diffent when ubuntu switched to GNOME for some reason
[20:41] <valorie> it will show up as a test result and one of those little fly icons
[20:41] <scootergrisen> Like maybe danish would be included
[20:42] <valorie> if you respond to the BR maybe they will change their minds
[20:43] <valorie> I assume they decide what to include by balancing space on the ISO with number of users needing each translation package
[20:43] <flocculant> scootergrisen: you already reported similar in March ... bug 1671395
[20:43] <scootergrisen> Yeah
[20:58] <scootergrisen> What is the side bar on the left called?
[20:58] <scootergrisen> The one with the app icons
[20:59] <SpmP> valorie: is http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/382/builds just for installer bugs? Installation went well, it is the post install oddnesses and Unity -> gnome3 experience oddities that I want to report on.
[21:06] <valorie> SpmP: it is about the state of the final Beta ISO 
[21:07] <valorie> installer through use of everything on the ISO
[21:07] <valorie> exclude bugs on anything you install on the qatracker
[21:08] <valorie> err, on the qatracker, don't include bugs on anything you install yourself after the initial installation
[21:12] <SpmP> valorie: Cheers, understood.
[22:04] <SpmP> Actually, not well understood. If I want to submit questions/requests/bugs, where do I do this? All I see is test submissions. SHould I just file bugs as normal with an 'artful' tag. What product or package is the user experience?
[22:20] <valorie> SpmP: be more specific
[22:20] <valorie> launchpad is where you file bugs
[22:21] <valorie> the easy way is via the cli -- `ubuntu-bug packagename`
[22:21] <valorie> so we'll have to help you figure out the packagename
[22:21] <valorie> there is no product or package for "user experience"
[23:06] <SpmP> valorie: OK, going from 17.04 to 17.10 is quite a transistion in user experience. I would like to raise issues such as - its hard/impossible to find screen lock settings, the top right indicators are ugly and reduce useability, there should be an option to move the four dots on the dock to the top, usb drives etc do not appear in the dock, full screen window bars are ugly and should be integrated in the top bar etc. 17.04 looks slick
[23:07] <SpmP> Especially if you consider the upgrade that I am doing: my mother, more set in their ways etc, and no energy to fight gnome-control-center to get to the relevant things. Its very sparce in there.
[23:08] <SpmP> Oh and auto login is not working, despite the relevant configs being set in /etc/gdm3/custom.conf
[23:09] <valorie> SpmP: unless someone who knows the gnomy packagenames speaks up for you, you might have to ask in #ubuntu-devel
[23:09] <valorie> although #ubuntu might know
[23:10] <SpmP> OK, so thats not the role of this group?
[23:11] <valorie> maybe, but perhaps the folks who know are asleep/afk etc.
[23:12] <valorie> I'm a kubuntu person and do not know anything about gnome or unity
[23:12] <nacc> SpmP: mean, you made your mother run 17.04??
[23:12]  * nacc would never consider making family run non-LTS :)
[23:12]  * valorie is a grandma and not very set in my ways
[23:43] <valorie> SpmP: did you try installing unity-desktop or whatever they call it now instead of tackling all of the gnomy changes?