[01:12] <Guest24493> hi
[01:12] <Guest24493> can someone help me
[01:12] <Guest24493> am trying
[01:12] <Guest24493> to solce a problem
[01:16] <bazhang> ask
[21:51] <glitchd> is there a way to update only the kernel? im using xubuntu 16.04.3, and the latest kernel is 4.10 and my system is running kernel 4.4.0-96.
[22:02] <bazhang> glitchd, checked the mainline yet
[22:11] <glitchd> bazhang, huh?
[22:12] <bazhang> !mainline > glitchd
[22:15] <glitchd> i see the msg, but dont clearly understand it
[22:17] <bazhang>  The kernel team supply continuous mainline kernel builds which can be useful for tracking down issues or testing recent changes in the Linux kernel
[22:18] <bazhang> so you want a more recent kernel to test with
[22:18] <bazhang> correct or no
[22:19] <glitchd> i was thinking that i might be a good thing to update the kernel since it seems to be a few releases behind already, with it being 4.4.0-96 and the kernel release being somewhere around 4.10 already
[22:19] <glitchd> but if its not suggested, then ill just skip doing that.
[22:20] <bazhang> !info linux-image-generic aardvark
[22:21] <bazhang> !info linux-image-generic artful
[22:21] <bazhang> 4.13.0.12.13
[22:21] <bazhang> thats from the soon to be released next version
[22:21] <bazhang> 17.10
[22:23] <glitchd> yea i have so many things setup on this install that i dont want to reinstall atm, so i probably wont be upgrading to 17.10.
[22:24] <glitchd> thats the one thing i dont like about ubuntu.
[22:24] <bazhang> just a fyi
[22:24] <glitchd> right on
[22:28] <glitchd> so would you say its a good idea to upgrade the kernel on this install, or not?
[22:29] <bazhang> you want stable or not
[22:29] <glitchd> i just want less system hangs tbh
[22:29] <glitchd> thought this would be a good/possible solution
[22:29] <bazhang> is there any evidence gambling on a more recent kernel is going to do that
[22:30] <glitchd> not that i can provide
[22:30] <bazhang> 'system hangs'
[22:30] <bazhang> doing what, when, how
[22:31] <glitchd> if i open a few applications the system slows to a crawl and stops responding for a period of time
[22:31] <bazhang> whats the ram, which apps
[22:32] <glitchd> 8gb ram, i think i have 4gb swap, and app id say it would be chromium with maybe 4-5 tabs open, a terminal, and a thunar browser.
[22:33] <bazhang> in top whats the biggest hog
[22:33] <glitchd> when i check the task manager itll show like 10-15% cpu usage and high memory usage with like 17% swap usage
[22:33] <glitchd> but the system is unresponsive
[22:34] <bazhang> yes, what about top
[22:34] <bazhang> which is eating the most
[22:34] <glitchd> ill have to check the next time its happening
[22:35] <bazhang> hsve you tried a much lighter de
[22:35] <glitchd> thought xfce was a pretty light dm, compared to unity or the like
[22:35] <bazhang> not so much
[22:36] <glitchd> not a fan of gnome, or unity, and im away that there are a good amount more
[22:36] <glitchd> i prefer to stay where im comfortable
[22:36] <bazhang> I have a 12 yr old thinkpad with just 2gb that runs gnome3 fine
[22:36] <glitchd> ive used xfce for a long while and am pretty familiar with it
[22:36] <glitchd> ive always had serious speed issues with gnome
[22:36] <glitchd> across several different laptops
[22:37] <glitchd> most of the laptop had 8 gb ram too
[22:37] <bazhang> well, this is purely for troubleshooting purposes
[22:37] <glitchd> ok?
[22:37] <bazhang> to eliminate eash possible cause, step by step
[22:37] <glitchd> ok?
[22:38] <bazhang> these are merely suggestions to your 'system hangs/speed issues'
[22:38] <glitchd> are you suggesting something, because you lost me..
[22:39] <bazhang> yes
[22:39] <bazhang> try a different DE
[22:39] <glitchd> youre suggesting gnome3?
[22:39] <bazhang> lighter
[22:39] <bazhang> lxde/opnbox
[22:39] <glitchd> never like the look of openbox tbh
[22:40] <glitchd> id like to try and stay in xfce if possible
[22:40] <glitchd> not sure if lxde can or will run xfce
[22:40] <glitchd> or if im even thinking about this the right way..
[22:40] <bazhang> they are both DE how could they
[22:40] <glitchd> like is said in my last response..
[22:41] <bazhang> no one is suggesting you completely abandon xfce4
[22:41] <bazhang> a simple login to the diferent DE
[22:41] <glitchd> ohhh...lol
[22:42] <bazhang> same machine, sfce still there
[22:42] <bazhang> xfce
[22:42] <glitchd> rightright
[22:42] <glitchd> ill have to give it a try i suppose
[22:43] <bazhang> clearly there are serious issues if you hvae 8gb and xfce runs slow and hangs
[22:43] <glitchd> thats what i was thinking
[22:44] <bazhang> I am suggesting the most basic of troubleshooting tips, yet you seem hesitant to even try the very first
[22:45] <bazhang> I wont push it any further
[22:45] <glitchd> i misunderstood your suggestion, thought you were referring to a full reintsall
[22:45] <bazhang> a single command, install it, lougout and in again
[22:45] <glitchd> but im open to trying other de's i suppose
[22:46] <glitchd> i can see any harm in it
[22:46] <bazhang> I never mentioned anything at all about any sort of install/reinstall whatsoever
[22:47] <glitchd> like i said then, it was a misunderstanding on my part
[22:47] <bazhang> you were asking about the very big gamble on choosing random higher kernels to fix that
[22:47] <glitchd> not really a random kernel..
[22:47] <bazhang> sure it is
[22:47] <glitchd> thought it was the next kernel release..
[22:47] <bazhang> the ones on LTS are there for stability
[22:48] <glitchd> geeze i didnt think of it like that
[22:48] <bazhang> what kind of PPA and outside repos do you have on there
[22:48] <glitchd> so if i was to update the kernel, it would be best to upgrade it to the next lts kernel then. instead of a ".10" kernel.
[22:49] <glitchd> not sure
[22:49] <bazhang> next LTS is 18.04
[22:49] <bazhang> thats a long ways away
[22:49] <glitchd> for me next lts would be 17.04
[22:49] <glitchd> im on 16.04
[22:49] <bazhang> no
[22:49] <bazhang> 17.04 is not LTS
[22:50] <bazhang> thats a nine month only support cycle
[22:50] <glitchd> thought all ".04's" were lts?
[22:50] <bazhang> nopers
[22:50] <glitchd> well dam.
[22:50] <glitchd> so only some .04 releases are lts?
[22:51] <bazhang> 12/14/16/18
[22:51] <bazhang> see a pattern?
[22:51] <glitchd> yes, yes i do.
[22:51] <glitchd> noted.
[22:52] <glitchd> only even numbered releases are lts then
[22:52] <bazhang> what outside repos do you have on that
[22:54] <glitchd> http://i.imgur.com/fO3tNHk.png
[22:54] <bazhang> some PPA or no
[22:55] <glitchd> i think so, is there a way to tell specifically?
[23:01] <glitchd> welp, ive got some things to go do, but ill probably be back later to hash this out some more, thx bud. adios!
[23:02] <bazhang> npx