=== please is now known as Guest24493 [01:12] hi [01:12] can someone help me [01:12] am trying [01:12] to solce a problem [01:16] ask === ikonia_ is now known as ikonia === GridCube_ is now known as GridCube === osa1 is now known as osa1-test === osa1-test is now known as osa1 === genii_ is now known as genii [21:51] is there a way to update only the kernel? im using xubuntu 16.04.3, and the latest kernel is 4.10 and my system is running kernel 4.4.0-96. [22:02] glitchd, checked the mainline yet [22:11] bazhang, huh? [22:12] !mainline > glitchd [22:12] glitchd, please see my private message [22:15] i see the msg, but dont clearly understand it [22:17] The kernel team supply continuous mainline kernel builds which can be useful for tracking down issues or testing recent changes in the Linux kernel [22:18] so you want a more recent kernel to test with [22:18] correct or no [22:19] i was thinking that i might be a good thing to update the kernel since it seems to be a few releases behind already, with it being 4.4.0-96 and the kernel release being somewhere around 4.10 already [22:19] but if its not suggested, then ill just skip doing that. [22:20] !info linux-image-generic aardvark [22:20] 'aardvark' is not a valid distribution: artful, artful-backports, artful-proposed, kubuntu-backports, kubuntu-experimental, kubuntu-updates, partner, precise, precise-backports, precise-proposed, stable, testing, trusty, trusty-backports, trusty-proposed, unstable, utopic, utopic-backports, utopic-proposed, vivid, vivid-backports, vivid-proposed, wily, wily-backports, wily-proposed, xenial, xenial-backports, xenial-proposed, yakkety, yakkety-backports, y [22:21] !info linux-image-generic artful [22:21] linux-image-generic (source: linux-meta): Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 4.13.0.12.13 (artful), package size 2 kB, installed size 13 kB [22:21] 4.13.0.12.13 [22:21] thats from the soon to be released next version [22:21] 17.10 [22:23] yea i have so many things setup on this install that i dont want to reinstall atm, so i probably wont be upgrading to 17.10. [22:24] thats the one thing i dont like about ubuntu. [22:24] just a fyi [22:24] right on [22:28] so would you say its a good idea to upgrade the kernel on this install, or not? [22:29] you want stable or not [22:29] i just want less system hangs tbh [22:29] thought this would be a good/possible solution [22:29] is there any evidence gambling on a more recent kernel is going to do that [22:30] not that i can provide [22:30] 'system hangs' [22:30] doing what, when, how [22:31] if i open a few applications the system slows to a crawl and stops responding for a period of time [22:31] whats the ram, which apps [22:32] 8gb ram, i think i have 4gb swap, and app id say it would be chromium with maybe 4-5 tabs open, a terminal, and a thunar browser. [22:33] in top whats the biggest hog [22:33] when i check the task manager itll show like 10-15% cpu usage and high memory usage with like 17% swap usage [22:33] but the system is unresponsive [22:34] yes, what about top [22:34] which is eating the most [22:34] ill have to check the next time its happening [22:35] hsve you tried a much lighter de [22:35] thought xfce was a pretty light dm, compared to unity or the like [22:35] not so much [22:36] not a fan of gnome, or unity, and im away that there are a good amount more [22:36] i prefer to stay where im comfortable [22:36] I have a 12 yr old thinkpad with just 2gb that runs gnome3 fine [22:36] ive used xfce for a long while and am pretty familiar with it [22:36] ive always had serious speed issues with gnome [22:36] across several different laptops [22:37] most of the laptop had 8 gb ram too [22:37] well, this is purely for troubleshooting purposes [22:37] ok? [22:37] to eliminate eash possible cause, step by step [22:37] ok? [22:38] these are merely suggestions to your 'system hangs/speed issues' [22:38] are you suggesting something, because you lost me.. [22:39] yes [22:39] try a different DE [22:39] youre suggesting gnome3? [22:39] lighter [22:39] lxde/opnbox [22:39] never like the look of openbox tbh [22:40] id like to try and stay in xfce if possible [22:40] not sure if lxde can or will run xfce [22:40] or if im even thinking about this the right way.. [22:40] they are both DE how could they [22:40] like is said in my last response.. [22:41] no one is suggesting you completely abandon xfce4 [22:41] a simple login to the diferent DE [22:41] ohhh...lol [22:42] same machine, sfce still there [22:42] xfce [22:42] rightright [22:42] ill have to give it a try i suppose [22:43] clearly there are serious issues if you hvae 8gb and xfce runs slow and hangs [22:43] thats what i was thinking [22:44] I am suggesting the most basic of troubleshooting tips, yet you seem hesitant to even try the very first [22:45] I wont push it any further [22:45] i misunderstood your suggestion, thought you were referring to a full reintsall [22:45] a single command, install it, lougout and in again [22:45] but im open to trying other de's i suppose [22:46] i can see any harm in it [22:46] I never mentioned anything at all about any sort of install/reinstall whatsoever [22:47] like i said then, it was a misunderstanding on my part [22:47] you were asking about the very big gamble on choosing random higher kernels to fix that [22:47] not really a random kernel.. [22:47] sure it is [22:47] thought it was the next kernel release.. [22:47] the ones on LTS are there for stability [22:48] geeze i didnt think of it like that [22:48] what kind of PPA and outside repos do you have on there [22:48] so if i was to update the kernel, it would be best to upgrade it to the next lts kernel then. instead of a ".10" kernel. [22:49] not sure [22:49] next LTS is 18.04 [22:49] thats a long ways away [22:49] for me next lts would be 17.04 [22:49] im on 16.04 [22:49] no [22:49] 17.04 is not LTS [22:50] thats a nine month only support cycle [22:50] thought all ".04's" were lts? [22:50] nopers [22:50] well dam. [22:50] so only some .04 releases are lts? [22:51] 12/14/16/18 [22:51] see a pattern? [22:51] yes, yes i do. [22:51] noted. [22:52] only even numbered releases are lts then [22:52] what outside repos do you have on that [22:54] http://i.imgur.com/fO3tNHk.png [22:54] some PPA or no [22:55] i think so, is there a way to tell specifically? [23:01] welp, ive got some things to go do, but ill probably be back later to hash this out some more, thx bud. adios! [23:02] npx === feodoran is now known as Guest68635 === feodoran_ is now known as feodoran