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[00:38] <xorpad> where can i find the ubuntu touch sources?
 That's a loaded question. What are you looking for?
 @UniversalSuperBox, I think he wants the ubports github stuff?
 @Flohack, what would it take to wake them up?  Why are they sleeping?  Just curious.  This Ubuntu Touch thing is pretty awesome to me....
 Well, the images have a lot of software. We'll need to narrow it down a bit.
 @wayneoutthere, Because a majority of them are European
 @UniversalSuperBox, I agree, but they're all under the ubports umbrella on github so you could just search via that if youre after github stuff right?
 Also, if anyone is doing ubports video stuff, but need or want a video editor, feel free to ping me.
[00:47] <Matthew[m]> bleurgh. in case anyone has been following my dramas trying to get the Qt 5.4 onscreen keyboard to work against a home-built Qt 5.9... it doesn't work thanks to https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-46009
[00:48] <Matthew[m]> apparently whilst normal plugins can be mixed between Qt versions, the platform plugins are not intended to
[00:48] <Matthew[m]> although at least(?) they added versioning to stop it from crashing badly.
[00:48] <Matthew[m]> but just silently mysteriously ignore the keyboard plugin instead.
[01:02] <xorpad> I'm looking for the sources for ubuntu touch
[01:03] <xorpad> I want to look at it
[01:03] <xorpad> kernel and drivers
[01:04] <xorpad> see how it works
 https://wiki.ubports.com/wiki/How-a-UBports-Image-is-Built
 No, that isn't linked to anywhere in the wiki. Except the direct link.
 today's the first time i heard of owncloud
 i can't seem to wrap my head around it
 :D
 and you know about it's fork, nextcloud, right?
 nope, never heard of that too
 damn, there's alot i gotta know xD
 jep
 anyways, it doesn't seem related to UBports much
 better write in out off-topic chat @ubports_ot
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 welcome
 Oi
 Obrigado
 @UniversalSuperBox, oh! hahaha.  i thought you meant 'asleep' like 'not interested' hahaha
 @looney_tkp, nextcloud is a safe and open version of Drop box... if you know what that is
 http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/happy-birthday-to-gnu-celebrating-34-years-of-the-free-software-movement
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[03:56] <lotuspsychje> Anyone succeeded to install ubports on nexus7 wifi yet?
[04:00] <lotuspsychje> i tryed both ubports-installer and magic-device-tool
[04:00] <lotuspsychje> but no dice
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 @Daniel_Petrica, welcome
 Thank you.
 @wayneoutthere, I'm now researching about em
 ubuntu ports doesn't favor my n5
 even reflashing it still keeps powering off
 #sighs … :(
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 #asking … Is there an UBports emulator for Ubuntu Desktop? … Android has an emulator for Windows, GNU/Linux,...
 There is an ubuntu emulator that canonical used to provide images for. But it never really worked. Ubports doesn't create any images for it though
 @DanChapman, What about doing that?
 @osvr0, Well we already have enough work keeping the real images together. But I can invite you to take over the emulator ;)
 How is the process of becoming a formal UBports developer?
 @osvr0, Well you can apply for membership :)
 Then we decide
 Read this: https://ubports.com/page/get-involved and then follow the apply buttons
 We appreciate however that you are contributing already for a while before we accept you. Thats just to see how serious people are
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 I'm happy to be part of your group. I'm working for Smoose in the Netherlands and became part of UBports since monday. One of the goals is to improve the website. For this matter I have a question already...
 We are searching for a web devellopper (html)? Is there anyone out there or do you have some suggestions?
 @Ralf_W, did you ask @UniversalSuperBox if some people applied already? He got a long list of candidates as I know ;)
 Thanks, I will
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 After a bit of a hiatus I reinstalled Firefox on my M10. It's pretty old. I hadn't considered that Canonical were packaging everything. … What's the longer term solution to this? Will moving to snaps make a difference? (I can't see how but maybe I am missing something) … Is building from source the answer? Has anyone done that?
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 @padraic7a, I am personally still not convinced that snaps will solve all our problems. because we need to hook them up to various APIs of the OS to interact with hardware etc. And this will leave a great amount of dependencies. Also, I am not convinced that "sharing snaps" which contain shared libs will hhelp the fact that every snap blows up memory & disc footprint. And older unmaintained snaps can pose a certain risk by being unpatched.
 Building from source is like with Desktop distros: You are building for one edition, and every developer needs to rebuild in case we upgrade eg. 16.04 17.04 etc
 The Android and iOS concept goes a different way, by using not precompiled but interpreted apps
 It has some intriguing advantages tbh
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 Hi guys! Did Someone use telegram on Nexus 4? Have you problem with notification?
[09:10] <lotuspsychje> prosone:never worked properly on my newus7 and bq4.5
 hmmm i use nexus 4 and have no problems with notifications
 but i dont see all my telegramm groups
 @gdane, You receive any notification from telegram regularly?
 hmmm not right now
 but i did before
 @ProsOne, Thats a common issue, its a problem of the oush server architecture of Canonical
 Are you using it on multiple devies?
 @Flohack, Yep
 @Flohack, I DIdn't know... Anyway, thank you florian for your dedication and commitment
 @ProsOne, Ok this is a problem sometimes. I also dont get any notifications on my N5, using E5 as daily
 It seems only one device can successfully register with the push server
 which one?
 Anyway end of year push by Canonical will stop, so then we need to fix it hehe
 @vanyasem, Probably the oldest that has ever registered, or idk
 @Flohack, we should make a Sprint to bring push later
 @vanyasem, Yeah thats true
 after we get 16.04 rolling
 @vanyasem, I would prefer to work in parallel. 16.04 is muddy waters, I dont expect to have it crawling (not rolling anyway) until end of yxear =9
 anyways, we should at least start doing that :p
 as of now we're just walking around the problem
 is it on the roadmap?
 I have some notes about push, so I will probably do something later, but not sure
 @wayneoutthere, I didn't know US and Canadians had the same struggles over 'English' 😊
 @Flohack, Do we have a waay to share builds? If I build a newer Firefox is there anywhere I can put it so that others can benefit? … [and just to be clear I don't know how realistic it is for me to build Firefox - probable not very]
 @Flohack, A very limited number of bundled snaps sharing resources might work on a authorised basis. Package 3 with functions 3a. 3b. 3c. 3d. 3e.  As for universal use of snaps, I see what you mean
 @vanyasem, The roadmap. PM me for that one ;)
 @Flohack, I didn't get that 🙈 … that language barrier tho...
 should I pm you for the roadmap or to discuss push?
 or was that sarcasm?
 @padraic7a, Well building is not the problem. We got a lot of build power in our servers. If you have a repo with a package that can be built, we can do it. But Firefox would need some adaptions for mobile mode I think
 @vanyasem, Both if necessary. Its nothing that gets better if discussed in public ;)
 @Flohack, I was thinking about the tablet - where it works OK. I was looking yesterday at theming and how that can change the ui, but I think making it suitable for the phone form factor is a much bigger job
 @padraic7a, Exactly. Its not easy, Firefox has a ton of dependencies, and you need to build it atm for 15.04
 Ok, I'll see if I can build it for myself and go from there. Thanks.
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 @kryptxy, welcome
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 Hi twopiradians, welcome to UBports Supergroup!
[12:27] <lotuspsychje> anyone got ubports installed on nexus7 yet?
 Nexus 7 WiFi 2013 is the only supported one.
 this bug or whatever it is, is annoying
 when i setup adb to grab log, it'll never turn off 😂
 Until a reboot
[12:30] <lotuspsychje> universalsuperbox, thats the one i got, but tryed both mdt and ubports-installer yesterday, both failed
 Poking the USB interface more than absolutely necessary can get a bit too... interesting
 lotuspsychje, how so?
[12:31] <xorpad> hi
[12:31] <xorpad> what way does one obtain ubuntu touch source?
 Did you read the wiki page I sent you yesterday?
[12:31] <lotuspsychje> universalsuperbox: at the end of ubports-installer it asks to goto bootloader screen, but gets stuck at that point..even im on bootloader in dev mode
[12:32] <xorpad> tgBot: no... I didn't see it
[12:32] <xorpad> *UniversalSuperbox
 Fwd from UniversalSuperBox: https://wiki.ubports.com/wiki/How-a-UBports-Image-is-Built
[12:32] <xorpad> thanks
 @UniversalSuperBox, yeah it did it's thing by powering off,then i decided to grab the log after i turned it on
[12:33] <lotuspsychje> universalsuperbox: mdt tool only installs old ubuntu-touch
 now it's still on
 @lotuspsychje, Right, it hasn't been updated to the UBports stuff. Also, MDT is dropping Ubuntu Touch support
[12:34] <lotuspsychje> universalsuperbox, yeah i heared that about mdt, but didnt work with ubport-installer neither both tryed snap & git version
 also i try install sudo apt-get install zsh … it outputs a zsh package not found, not all apt stuff can be installed here eh ?
 @lotuspsychje, Are you on Ubuntu?
[12:35] <lotuspsychje> universalsuperbox:yes
[12:40] <lotuspsychje> universalsuperbox: the Bq4.5 ubports install did still work on MDT sucessfully tru same usb cable
 A open question for Saturday. UI as much like Android and iOS as possible to make Touch look familiar? Or a radical divergence in UI to emphasise that this is something quite distinct?
[12:43] <tgBot> Павлик Морозов was added by: Павлик Морозов
 @Павлик Морозов, Павлик welcome
 @lotuspsychje, Could you try with ubuntu-device-flash? `sudo ubuntu-device-flash touch --server=system-image.ubports.com --channel=15.04/stable --device=flo`
 All of that was typed from memory, sorry if it's got a syntax error
 Loooong time ago Apple looked at a 3d 'star map', pioneered by Palm. Zoom around functions. The 'stars' distinguished by colour and size. Very elegant but maybe not very intuitive. Suggest a heavy AI component also, which was not possible then
[12:50] <lotuspsychje> universalsuperbox: sure, lemme plugin
[12:52] <lotuspsychje> universalsuperbox: error: Get system-image.ubports.com/channels.json: unsupported protocol scheme ""
[12:53] <lotuspsychje> brb
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[12:57] <xorpad> where can i get the hammerhead image of ubuntu touch?
 @Stereofont, I think I can answer this already, we want to be different. We want to keep buttonless operation, and I think the existing gestures are already quite promising.
[13:37] <MCMic> I got no ring tone since I switched to ubports, it seems aquaris is gone
[14:04] <jh5> are there any new on installing ubports on the latest fairphon2 (which ships with Android 6.1)? It did not work, due to some change to the hardware.
[14:22] <lotuspsychje> universalsuperbox: maybe its too soon to grab nexus7 image?
[15:31] <lotuspsychje> univsersalsuperbox: it worked mate!
[15:31] <lotuspsychje> universalsuperbox: with this command: sudo ubuntu-device-flash --server=http://system-image.ubports.com touch --device=flo --channel=ubports-touch/15.04/stable --bootstrap
 @lotuspsychje, Excellent. Glad you got it to work for you. I've been sitting at work, sorry I couldn't respond.
[15:36] <lotuspsychje> universalsuperbox:no sweat mate, apreciate your help anyway
[15:37] <lotuspsychje> all devices got ubports now :p
 Yay!
 @Flohack, i'm with you on snaps... the whole concept is excellent.
 @wayneoutthere, i take it back. i thought you said they WILL solve the problems. haha.  I like snaps
 @Flohack, Oh, really? Didn't know about that part of snaps. Well, that'll make my app pretty much unsnappable :(
[15:55] <tgBot> Vijaypraj was added by: Vijaypraj
 @Stereofont, english = brutal language
 i was hoping at least snaps would let us run third-party apps (libre office, chromium, etc) on our phones
 maybe if we rename it to schnaps
 would that help?
 @Lorxu, Why exactly?
 @rogieroudshoorn, looooool
 I hate the entire idea of snap and flatpack
 or was it flatpak?
 You've asked for it (ok, you haven't) … you've been waiting for it (and even if you haven't) … But here it is anyways!  … Eat some Audiocast with your nachos today: … https://ubports.com/blog/ubports-blog-1/post/ubports-audiocast-009-devels-and-parenting-79
 @Flohack, Pext's design is all about running third-party Python code, which means I can't predict what features will be used by who
 @vanyasem, it's good to have options live appimage (or whatever the thing is called) tho
 @vanyasem, pak. Yes indeed it does not solve all stuff that would be nice to be solved ^^
 @vanyasem, but just an alternative way of dealing with stuff
 So... how about AppImages?
 like a way to make a distro independent package
 Fwd from vanyasem: it's good to have options live appimage (or whatever the thing is called) tho
 Oh lol missed Ivan's message
 that happens ;)
 I have 2 flatpak packages and they are a big pain in the ass
 I even think of packaging them into a PPA by hand
 because they are so freaking heavy and alien
 any one know how to install ubuntu touch in moto g4 plus
 it's not supported
 Fwd from BrisPete: We'd love to support as many devices as possible. Unfortunately porting a new device takes a long time and there are only a few of us doing the work. More developers working on porting devices would mean more devices ported. This will particularly be true when the Halium Project is successful.
 so sony xperia z support?
[16:03] <Matthew[m]> i solved all my "qt5.9 on ubports" woes ftr - https://matrix.org/blog/2017/09/28/experiments-with-matrix-on-the-purism-librem5-starring-ubports-and-nheko has the gory details if anyone cares :)
 👍
 All supported devices are here: https://ubports.com/page/get-ubuntu-touch
 @Vijaypraj, nope
 @Lorxu, see
 i also try in ubuntu sdk but its not working properly
 it will stop working at welcome screen
 The emulator is not functional.
 @Matthew[m], Looking at this p.sharpish me
 it may seem that nothing is functional, but that's false.
 Matthew: so... you built the UITK with 5.9?
 emulator is frezze on welcome screen
 @Vijaypraj, it's not functional
[16:12] <Matthew[m]> UniversalSuperBux: yup
 hmm
[16:12] <Matthew[m]> *Box
[16:12] <Matthew[m]> this is where you tell me that i could have installed 5.9 with a one-liner in ubports ;)
 bux is fine 😂
 No, I'm not that mean matthew
[16:13] <Matthew[m]> :D was there a better way of doing it?
 Not that I know of.
[16:13] <Matthew[m]> :)
[16:13]  * Matthew[m] exhales
 But... that could be useful in the future. @mariogrip take a look at this!
 https://matrix.org/blog/2017/09/28/experiments-with-matrix-on-the-purism-librem5-starring-ubports-and-nheko/
[16:14] <Matthew[m]> yeah, the reason i published the recipe was mainly in case it could be use down the line
 He's offline. Guess I missed him
[16:14] <Matthew[m]> although it frankly felt a bit weird to be porting mirclient stuff to work with qt5.9
[16:14] <Matthew[m]> as i assume that mir is pretty much dead in the water now? is ubports planning to move to wayland or keep mir alive?
 I wonder... @jsalatas is this similar work to what you did with Yunit?
 So, Unity 8 and Mir were literally written for each other.
 I'm not a developer on that stack, but I can certainly posture that "Just moving to Wayland" is actually a task that would take a man-year or more
[16:15] <Matthew[m]> yup, i understand that, but just wondering whether the goal is to keep the ubuntu evolutionary branch continuing in that direction or not
[16:15] <larreamikel[m]> mir is still alive afaik... canonical is working on it for snaps and iot tuff
[16:16] <Matthew[m]> hm, ok
[16:16] <Matthew[m]> the code seemed pretty nice, but very divergent from the rest of the linux ecosystem
 Maybe Mir will be a Wayland client implementation someday. Then you can write your desktop to take advantage of MirAL (which should be finished in Mir 1.0)
 That way not everyone needs to either write their own Wayland compositor or use Mutter or KWin
 But it's all future stuff that we need to keep watching at this point.
 Oh, cool. You packaged a regular ol' Qt desktop app as a Click... and it ran.
 is realizing the scope of what just happened
 http://voices.canonical.com/alan.griffiths/2017/09/19/mir-support-for-wayland/
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/8CskAKac/file_892.webp
 The Wayland support is directly in the Mir server and doesn’t rely on a translator. Mir’s understanding of Wayland is going to start pretty limited (Like my Dutch). At present it understands enough “conversational Wayland” for a client to render content and for the server to composite it as a window. We need to teach it more “verbs” (e.g. to support for the majority of window management requests) but there is a limited range of thing
[16:30] <tgBot> Once Mir’s support for Wayland clients is on a par with the support for “native” Mir clients we will likely phase out support for the latter. … We’re still testing things prior to the Mir 1.0 release, and Mir 1.0 will not support “everything Wayland”. If you are curious you can install a preview of the current development version from the “Mir Staging” PPA.
 Matthew, do other apps work as expected with the newer version of Qt?
 @vanyasem, Thank you :)
 Can anyone update me about UBPort OnePlus2 status?
 @UniversalSuperBox, Marius Has experimented with backporting new QT versions a little bit back, but there was a reason why he hasn't pushed it out, I just dont remember what that was.
 Hey, Nexus4 owners. How is your gps accuracy with ubports ota2? My phone shows location 20km away..
 @kryptxy, Unfortunatly not, to my knowledge the OP2 porting is on pause, due to us having limited devs, working on way to many things at once. … Hopefully once we get a full and good port done with Halium, you should see more porting efforts.
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/jDxAHGLW/file_893.mp4
 @tsimonq2, this
 @PhoenixLandPirate, Thank you. … Can I volunteer for OP2 port? (Though I am a beginner, I think it would be a good learning opportunity for me.)
 @UniversalSuperBox, that means they backported qt5.9 to vivid?
 @kryptxy, That sounds like a swell idea. … There's a Halium Telegram group, I think @UniversalSuperBox might know the link, if you want to work on that, since thats the future of porting. … I'm sure there are some old porting docs around, but if you use them.
[17:06] <Matthew[m]> UniversalSuperBox: i haven’t tried - probably not, as i only built the bits of qt that nheko needed, and the qpa port was pretty dirty
[17:06] <Matthew[m]> (also, gah i wish this tg was properly bridged into matrix)
 @Matthew[m], Me to, I think me and Marius are the only ones on the Ubports Matrix group from the Ubports team atm. … and I have no idea how to bridge this stuff, otherwise it would have been bridged a good lil while ago.
 @Flohack, Some radical ideas from 1996 here: https://www.nngroup/articles/anti-mac-interface
 it's easy to bridge the groups...
 @Stereofont, Dead link here...
 @Flohack, delete 'https://'
 but I think that @UniversalSuperBox was afraid of moderation possibilities that this bridge would have...among other things
[17:30] <tgBot> Barros78 was added by: Barros78
 @popescu_sorin, Waaaaayland??? … Mir! … Mer!
 Welcome @Barros78
 This group is therapeutic.
 @PhoenixLandPirate, That would be great. @UniversalSuperBox please provide the link to Halium telegram group if possible. Thanks.
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/QyV0vXNl/file_894.mp4
 @kryptxy, https://t.me/halium
 Thank you
 @UniversalSuperBox, Not sure what is the discussion here :\
 @jsalatas, https://matrix.org/blog/2017/09/28/experiments-with-matrix-on-the-purism-librem5-starring-ubports-and-nheko/
 @LarreaMikel, If I'm correct they tried to backport qt 5.9 on ubuntu 15.04?
 @jsalatas, They tried and were successful. I think its a good resource if we got issues on 16.04 backport too
 @Flohack, Not sure if compiling for mobiles requires something special, but for the desktop all required patches are already in yunit's repos. … Do you have any plans on when you will start playing with it?
 @jsalatas, Yes soon now, since our OTA-2 is done and we can start getting more towards 16.04 now ;)
 Yes maybe you are right, but still its a nice experiment that shows that everything can be ported 😆
 nice :)
[18:04] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> @samitormanen, For me approximately 20 to 25 meters from actual location @ max (haven't tried while moving but from my couch it shows me across the street 😜)
 @samitormanen, This is because the GPS cannot get the signal and the localisation relies ont Wifi localisation.
 @jsalatas, john... how are you  sir?   … Question... is unity... alive?   … I tried gnome on the weekend and I want to punch myself in the face repeatedly.
 like... can i go and turn that gnome machine back into a supported unity machine??
 @wayneoutthere, Please dont be so harsh on yourself
 @wayneoutthere, Unity is dead as you already know :P … Yunit is alive :)
 @wayneoutthere, *installs KDE Plasma 5 on your system*
 @Lorxu, I've questioned doing that, but I remember installing plasma on my laptop 3 years ago, and getting supper duper frustrated extremely quickly
 But it would be a long way until it reaches to really usable for everyday work (primary DE) in the desktop
 @PhoenixLandPirate, It's so much better than it was 3 years ago
 @Lorxu, +1
 and KDE Neon :)
 @jsalatas, sorry man.  yo know what I mean even though I don't say it
 I prefer Fedora myself, but yeah
 https://neon.kde.org/
 If I install KDE plasma using sudo, will anything break, I'm on Gnome as well
 Just... stay the hell away from Kubuntu
 Kubuntu gives no love to KDE at all...
 @jsalatas, ok, thanks guys.  this is kind of important topic for community.  it would be good if we all here could get on the same page
 but that might be a tall order.
 install ARCH, be a real man
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/yb3G5909/file_895.webp
 @PhoenixLandPirate, Would work
 @wayneoutthere, I never tried KDE Neon but I heard good things about it, FWIW
 that's kinda off topic here btw
 @wayneoutthere, I'm correcting you because you I guess you jave in mind Unity 7 which is completely different story compared to Unity 8 / yunit ;)
 i will promote our off-top chat: @ubports_ot
 @jsalatas, yeah roger i no speak techrish
 @wayneoutthere, Unity 8 is a complete rewrite from scratch. Unity 7 is based on GNOME, Unity 8 uses Qt (like KDE)
 Their design is similar of course but every single bit of code differs
 @wayneoutthere Wanna see KDE5 being transformed into something resembling Unity 7, showing the awesome flexibility of KDE? You can watch the whole 7 minutes, or just look at the start for a few seconds and then near the end to see the difference, same desktop! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3hqzZmsiTw
 @Lorxu, cool thanks
 i'm doing an awesome dance in my office with these tunes... not sure what this video is but I'm head bobbing real good
 @Lorxu, I'd like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as KDE5 is actually, in fact, the Plasma Desktop. … I don't know the rest
 @UniversalSuperBox, God dammit you're right as well
 Yes it's KDE Plasma 5
 KDE 5 is no longer a thing
 They split Plasma (the desktop) and the applications
 Years ago even
 @Lorxu, and kde neon is quite good too
 gonna say that unity theme is looking pretty good.  my prerequistes are easy.  Here is my list: … -must look nice (to promote the community to fruit and MS people and beyond) … -must be ubuntu... (for reasons that people smarter than me said) … -must be super fast and easy to use like unity with the super key dash/hud stuff.... i've been really spoiled on this one … -must be compatible with UBports/Ubuntu Touch convergence stuf\
 - KDE looks super nice ^^ … - Ubuntu... honestly, bad choice. Ubuntu doesn't give KDE the love it deserves. … - Kubuntu is the worst KDE you can get. I guess KDE Neon has an Ubuntu base... … - KDE's "Application Dashboard" looks a lot like the dash: http://linuxbsdos.com/2015/09/02/kde-5-application-dashboard-a-fullscreen-app-launcher-that-beats-the-competition/ … - KDE has no HUD I'm afraid, I'm still looking for more choices there... … - Not
[18:42] <tgBot> be compatible with UBports convergence except Unity 8 because UBports insists on launching Unity 8 in convergence too. Can't blame KDE for a lack of flexibility on UBports' side...
 @Lorxu, Talking about convergence : https://vizzzion.org/blog/2017/09/plasma-mobile-and-convergence/
 No
 Vijay please remove this game bot
[18:46] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> Oh come on 😔
[18:46] <tgBot> <Vijay Kumar> Okay
 That basically can become just favorite thing for people to spam
 @bhushanshah, damn, the KDE plasma team, has make some progress with their plasma for phones..
 @jakko, You replied to a member of the Plasma Mobile team.
 #sigh
 it's sad i have to switch back to Android
 I don't know what's causing my phone to crap out on me, it never powers off like it does when i try logging
 thus i can't find out whatever's causing it to do so, it just keeps going off when screen is off
 @looney_tkp, on what device?
 btw \/
 Fwd from mariogrip: patches for Blueborne https://github.com/ubports/android_kernel_fairphone_fp2/pull/4 https://github.com/ubports/android_kernel_lge_hammerhead/pull/1 https://github.com/ubports/android_kernel_oneplus_msm8974/pull/1
 Finally? :P
 @Vijaypraj, If Sailfish releases the platform adaptation for Sailfish X then maybe :)
 wait, wrong model
 @shinyhairsmylifeambition, Odd. Why does it do that? www.nngroup/articles/anti-mac-interface
 www.nngroup.com/articles/anti-mac-interface
 Missed out com. Sigh …
[20:53] <Matthew[m]> PhoenixLandPirate: proper bridging needs a proper tg bridge, which we are working on but not good enough for here yet
[21:02] <ubports_bot> Project daily-bacon build #284: SUCCESS in 11 min: http://ci.ubports.com/job/daily-bacon/284/
[21:03] <ubports_bot> Project ota-push build #1085: SUCCESS in 54 sec: http://ci.ubports.com/job/ota-push/1085/
 https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/25/16362292/china-whatsapp-censorship-wechat-no-more-texts
 @Flohack, Wow. Than telegram is the choice of the time for Chinese people for international chats...
 Rumors said, that in Germany a mother sued her daughter because of letting her contact free on WhatsApp without permission and she wins...
[21:37]  * Matthew[m] gently points out that matrix works fine in China, being simple old HTTPS to random hosts
 but maybe that is off topic so better discussed in @ubports-ot
 What do you think of uMatriks, Matthew?
[21:39] <Matthew[m]> i haven’t played with it yet - my bad. and ironically i don’t have a normal sdk setup so i couldn’t build it. will have a play though
[21:39] <Matthew[m]> i like that it uses libqmatrixclient
 Definitely use Clickable to build apps. ;)
 Mathew: matrix for me is the future for the free world chatting. That's why I am a patron of matrix and ubports. Thank you very much for it!
 The SDK is screwy
[21:41] <Matthew[m]> bastos777: :D
[21:41] <Matthew[m]> thanks
[21:41] <larreamikel[m]> Matthew: you can download the click vía openstore
[21:48] <Matthew[m]> larrea.mikel: will have a go :)
 @Flohack, VPN is always your friend ;)
 (Photo, 719x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/aXz0xljr/file_897.jpg
 FM with some flat icons
 👍
 i actually like the ubuntu icons (the orange ones). but IMHO the icons look a bit out of place with the overall FM flat desing
 just sayin
 I like them as well, but I'm in the same boat. I feel they've kinda gotten their aesthetics in a bind.
 @bastos777, Telegram is blocked too, for much more time then whatsapp, people using it through VPN