[14:33] <rick_h> thumper: ping, see the PR on the juju version go by. Just wanted to check is the actual need functionality available or juju version specifically?
[14:38] <wallyworld> rick_h: zup
[14:39] <rick_h> wallyworld I see the PR on the juju version go by. Just wanted to check is the actual need functionality available or juju version specifically?
[14:39] <rick_h> wallyworld: I always get afraid checking juju version numbers (especially point releases) will turn into nightmares down the road
[14:39] <wallyworld> we've sort of been down this road a bit before - we couldn't agree on a clean way to advertise capabilities. the charm folks just want version
[14:40] <rick_h> wallyworld: and much prefer feature checks vs version checks and we went through a lot of this when we added the min_juju_version in charms in an attempt to not specify a single version but make sure things assumed forward compatible
[14:40] <rick_h> wallyworld: ok, just wante to dbl check it wasn't a drive by thing without bigger audience
[14:40] <wallyworld> juju_version is analogoues to min version
[14:40]  * rick_h sits in his desk and sees single PR since he's far away and wanted to dbl check
[14:41] <wallyworld> no worries, thanks for asking
[14:41] <wallyworld> there's still time to refine before relase
[14:41] <wallyworld> i'll be syncing with the charm folks again
[14:41] <rick_h> wallyworld: yea, I'd be curios how the charmers will make sure that there's common tools for charm authors to express to users "this failed/errored/won't work because of your juju version" clearly
[14:42] <rick_h> so that users don't have to debug the stuff
[14:42] <rick_h> min_juju_version at least fails early and clearly while this could be in deep hook context during some relation/config change and such
[14:42] <wallyworld> rick_h: it's more that the openstack folks want to say "what version of juju is running, if not 2.3 or later, then X won't be there"
[14:42] <rick_h> wallyworld: right, but once the tool is there people will use it how they wish
[14:43] <rick_h> wallyworld: not just in the clean way some folks want to use it
[14:43] <wallyworld> that's true of any feature right?
[14:44] <wallyworld> it's meant to alleviate the need for charm helpers to have all these try/except blocks