[00:47] <JonelethIrenicus> have you all heard of the Kubuntu firefox-plasma ppa?
[01:03] <valorie> JonelethIrenicus: I have not
[01:03] <valorie> whose PPA?
[01:03] <valorie> and what's in it
[01:37] <mparillo> It looks like it comes from OpenSuSE, right? Arch (https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/firefox-kde-opensuse/) points you to (https://build.opensuse.org/package/show/mozilla:Factory/MozillaFirefox) where I expect the patch is: https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file/mozilla:Factory/MozillaFirefox/firefox-kde.patch?expand=1
[01:38] <valorie> we used to have a KDE overlay
[01:39] <valorie> years ago though
[01:39] <mparillo> I asked Phil about this some years ago, and he said something to the effect that, especially for an LTS, having the Ubuntu team handling browser security patches without requiring the Kubuntu team was a good thing.
[01:41] <mparillo> I am voting for Falkon (formerly Qupzilla) just as soon as KDE releases it, but that goes back to our identity. What happens when a KDE s/w (e.g. Kalligra) does not fully match up to non KDE s/w (e.g. LO).
[01:49] <valorie> I will join your vote for Falkon mparillo
[01:49] <valorie> when it is released
[01:51] <mparillo> TY. If it is at all close, I would prefer a KDE browser, or even a Qt one, even if FF is a bit more capable. 
[01:54] <mparillo> Qupzilla is my main browser on LXQt, and it has a few funny things. For example, if use an arrow to scroll, then right click on a link and open in a new tab, I need to click back into the scroll bar before the arrow works again for scrolling.
[01:55] <valorie> that's odd
[01:55] <valorie> it was hard to give up konqueror and then rekonq
[01:56] <valorie> but as they bit-rotted, eventually we had no choice
[02:06] <mparillo> I was about the last to drop rekonq (it launched so quickly), but its security vulnerabilities and its inability to handle javascript heavy sites eventually drove me away.
[02:07] <valorie> I was an early adopter, but my bug reports were ignored or just "wontfix"
[02:09] <mparillo> A common problem in open source ... too many spots where there is only one core developer, and if that developer is not interested, gets bored, life intervenes, users get stuck, often without notice.
[02:13] <mparillo> As an example, look at the last couple of comments on this page (https://adjamblog.wordpress.com/2014/01/12/rekonq-2-4-2/comment-page-1/#comment-3913) Then https://adjamblog.wordpress.com/2014/01/12/rekonq-2-4-2/comment-page-2/#comment-4184.
[02:14] <mparillo> Not to blame adjam. Who knows what happened. But it happens more often than we open source cheerleaders like to admit.
[02:46] <valorie> shadeslayer used to work on that team
[02:46] <valorie> but it seems perhaps that that "one man" was already getting burnt out at that point
[02:47] <valorie> this is why we always need to build some sort of team *always*
[02:47] <valorie> lone devels become burnt and lonely
[08:47] <blaze> I'm surprised how many people are downloading the beta iso
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[12:09] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:11] <ahoneybun> Heyo BluesKaj 
[12:15] <BluesKaj> Hey ahoneybun
[12:55] <mparillo> blaze: I recall that I used to think in general that by the time you got to Beta-2 (Gradually, I shifted sooner and sooner), you were better off with the next release than the current, even with backports. Maybe that is why we are getting so many downloads. Of course, maybe it is the shift from Unity to Gnome giving people incentive to try the flavours. Or maybe it is our renewed social media push. 
[13:02] <blaze> actually there were lots of howtos lately showing off the way to tranform Plasma into something Unity-like
[13:09] <blaze> btw, what do you think about adding "Unity mode" for the next release?
[13:10] <BluesKaj> plasma is my way of getting away from unity/gnome :-)
 clive wants to add a look and feel package for unity refugees
 I'm not as against that as I used to be, but it would need a good job doing with it
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[14:38] <JonelethIrenicus> valorie: ya it basically just allows for some sane defaults such as being able to use your plasma file picker/saver dialog
[14:38] <JonelethIrenicus> mparillo: valorie personally I love vivaldi and the direction they are going
[14:39] <JonelethIrenicus> just don't like the privacy issues
[14:43] <JonelethIrenicus> i dont think it makes sense to completely re-write firefox's interface to qt personally, but making it so it at the very least launches the Qt or whatever the default DE's file picker is.
[14:44] <JonelethIrenicus> That is probably something all Linux users could agree with.
[14:44] <JonelethIrenicus> is there some middleware program that launches this for all DEs?
[14:44] <JonelethIrenicus> or boiler plate code?
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[14:48] <blaze> acheronuk: check this https://github.com/annulen/webkit/releases
[14:49] <blaze> it would be good to have this packaged, bacause it's up-to-date, more stable and secure tahn the stock Qt Webkit
[14:50] <blaze> than*
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[15:08] <clivejo> no meeting today?
[15:10] <clivejo> acheronuk: DarinMiller
[15:15] <clivejo> grrrr
[15:18] <blaze> today is a meeting with a bottle of wine
[15:18] <blaze> not for me however
[15:19] <clivejo> finished up early to come on :(
[15:19]  * clivejo goes back to wall building
[15:27] <DarinMiller> sorry,  lost track of time...
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[16:13] <DarinMiller> Is anyone experiencing plasmashell crashes on 17.10 especially after resuming from sleep?  I have 2 systems on 5.10.95, one never crashes and one crashes freqently.  A third system with  5..9.1 plasma has crashed only once on resume from sleep in last 5 months.
[16:14] <DarinMiller> The crashes do not produce an error report that is submittable for bug reporting purposes.
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 @acheronuk, Maybe too late for 17.10?
 *shrug*
 I'm for it. :)
 I would say too late for artful. I'd want to do a good job, and improve on the ones out there at the moment
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[20:13] <valorie> tsimonq2: what is too late for 17.10?
 Fwd from acheronuk: clive wants to add a look and feel package for unity refugees
 Fwd from acheronuk: I'm not as against that as I used to be, but it would need a good job doing with it
[20:14] <valorie> oh right
[20:14] <valorie> if it was *done* maybe
[20:20] <clivejo> need a few testers who like unity 
[20:21]  * DarinMiller if I liked unity I would not be using KDE....
[20:22] <DarinMiller> clivejo: I can test 
[20:22] <valorie> I've never liked gnome or unity
[20:22] <clivejo>  well yeah
[20:22] <valorie> I mean, I like the people, but not the software
[20:22] <clivejo> thats my personal opinion
[20:22] <valorie> I always feel confined
[20:23] <clivejo> but there will be a lot of users who do like Unity will be looking for a new home
[20:23] <valorie> agreed
[20:23]  * DarinMiller really likes the Kubuntu 5 Star Elegance desktop theme...
[20:23] <clivejo> and if we can be that new home, even better
[20:23] <clivejo> DarinMiller: where is that?
[20:24] <clivejo> oh my
[20:24] <clivejo> a new and improved Rik
[20:24] <DarinMiller> system settings -> workplace theme -> desktop theme then click downloads
[20:24] <clivejo> store.ked?
[20:24] <clivejo> kde
[20:25] <acheronuk_v2> just trying out that konversation WIP progress branch
[20:25] <DarinMiller> sry, not downloads, Get new theme button....
 (Photo, 1095x714) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/hwtRRqec/file_3316.jpg
[20:27] <valorie> nice
[20:27] <clivejo> the search on store.kde is rubbish
[20:27]  * DarinMiller oooo, new Konversation looks.... modern
[20:27] <clivejo> can never find the thing I'm looking at
[20:28] <clivejo> very Androidy
[20:28] <DarinMiller> store.kde web version or the pop up "Get new..." menus.
[20:29] <clivejo> got a link to it on store.
[20:29] <clivejo> ?
[20:30] <clivejo> This is the Unity one I was looking at getting packaged and installed on the iso
[20:31] <clivejo> https://store.kde.org/p/1167950/
[20:31] <valorie> I think that's the point on konvi -- so it will work with matrix AND irc, and one phones and everywhere
[20:31] <valorie> omg the colors
[20:31] <valorie> that's what always pushes me away from the first glance on
[20:32] <valorie> my son Thomas thinks that's silly, but *he's color blind*
[20:32] <DarinMiller> clivejo: https://imgur.com/a/cMf9X
[20:33] <valorie> plasma search must be better than kde store search!
[20:33] <valorie> because that's what I searched
[20:33] <valorie> and didn't find that
[20:33] <clivejo> can't find it either
[20:33] <acheronuk> https://store.kde.org/p/998875 ?
[20:34] <clivejo> this it https://store.kde.org/p/998875/ ?
[20:34] <clivejo> lol
[20:34] <clivejo> snap
[20:34] <DarinMiller> that's it
[20:34] <clivejo> had to search via google to find it
[20:34] <acheronuk> last change, 9 years ago?
[20:35] <acheronuk> date on last file is 2016-04-15
[20:37] <acheronuk> \o/ segfault on exit!
[20:37] <DarinMiller> Konvi?
[20:37] <acheronuk> yep
[20:40] <DarinMiller> clivejo: what unity theme did would you like tested?
[20:40] <clivejo> https://store.kde.org/p/1167950/
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[20:42] <clivejo> anyone know who LLUCAS is? 
[20:45] <clivejo> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hac3c6fADQM
[20:45] <valorie> sort of
[20:45] <valorie> he's the guy who does the vids
[20:45] <clivejo> https://plus.google.com/+KDEOKK
[20:46] <clivejo> big daddy?
[20:46] <acheronuk> not usre it's the same one
[20:47] <valorie> well now there are two guys doing videos, which is good
[20:48] <acheronuk> https://phabricator.kde.org/p/Lucas/
[20:48] <acheronuk> does the promo vids I think?
[20:58] <valorie> yup
[20:59] <clivejo> does that guy just read a script?
[21:01] <valorie> he writes them I think
[21:01] <valorie> and there has been a woman reading them before
[21:03] <clivejo> he talks quite fast
[21:05] <DarinMiller> unity theme works, but its way better than unity (panels are customizeable and autohide of left panel works much better than the last time I tried Unity).
[21:05] <mparillo> At .75 it still sounds decent.
[21:07] <mparillo> DarinMiller: Have you tested sending your search results to Amazon? <ducks>
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[21:10]  * DarinMiller :)
[22:10] <clivejo> DarinMiller: how did you install United?
[22:12] <DarinMiller> Yes, it works great.  Everything is configureable unlike Unity...
[22:12] <clivejo> how did you do it?
[22:13] <clivejo> the download doesn't seem to have any wallpaper etc
[22:15] <DarinMiller> I had dl' the file since sys settings was failing to list workspaces, but after running updates and relauncing sys settings, I was able to search/find united from the "Get  New looks" menu.
[22:24] <DarinMiller> The wallpaper came down, but I had to manually find it in the wallpaper selection.
[22:41] <clivejo> hi greyback
[22:41] <clivejo> DarinMiller: I can only see previews in the tarball
[23:09] <DarinMiller> that is strange, the wall paper definitley came down with Sys Set install, but in the tar file I only see the preview.png and fullscreenpreview.png also.
[23:14] <clivejo> wonder does it download it
[23:17] <DarinMiller> I am unsure of the source.  It's was on the 17.10 beta laptop that received a fresh install last Wednesday.   The install has 10 wallpapers that magically appeared, one is the Ubuntu background, the rest are pictures.
[23:21] <DarinMiller> I don't recall manually downloading any of the wallpapers but none of my other 17.10 boxes have them.  Not sure how they landed on that box.