[02:42] <eblu> alright uh
[02:42] <eblu> so i installed kubuntu-desktop
[02:42] <eblu> which is nice and all but i don't want to mess with kde at the moment
[02:42] <eblu> so i want to switch back to gnome
[02:43] <eblu> problem is the gear in gdm3 has just up and vanished
[02:43] <eblu> like it's gone
[02:43] <eblu> changing dms doesn't work either
[02:44] <eblu> so question is how do i get that DE selector back and get back to gnome sweet gnome
[02:48] <eblu_> whuh oh
[02:48] <eblu_> ubuntu thinks it's kubuntu now
[02:48] <valorie> perhaps reinstall gnome-desktop?
[02:49] <valorie> or ubuntu-desktop
[02:49] <valorie> whatever they are calling it now
[02:51] <eblu__> ok, after restarting and logging out gdm3 got its gear restored
[02:51] <eblu__> but it replaced the default gnome desktop with kde?
[02:56] <valorie> sudo apt remove plasma* maybe?
[02:56] <valorie> the desktop the KDE produces is Plasma
[10:58] <bazhang> lundmar, what video players have you tried so far
[10:58] <lundmar> vlc
[10:58] <lundmar> mpv works better because its running native wayland
[10:59] <bazhang> lundmar, thats odd, smplayer is working flawlessly in 17.10 for me
[10:59] <bazhang> smpplayer with the mpv backend
[11:02] <lundmar> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=745032
[11:02] <lundmar> unfortunately, it's everything that is affected. Even if I start eg. firefox you will see the mouse jump stall
[11:03] <bazhang> lundmar, whats the ram with that
[11:03] <lundmar> it's just a really nasty design flaw / bug that makes gnome/wayland a tough experience, especially on slower systems
[11:04] <lundmar> bazhang: you mean my machine specs ?
[11:04] <bazhang> yep
[11:05] <lundmar> it's an i7 4 core with 8 GB ram
[11:05] <bazhang> odder still
[11:05] <bazhang> I have a twlece year old thinkpad with 2gb
[11:06] <lundmar> it's a laptop i7 though so the base clock is generally lower but still a beefy machine compared
[11:06] <bazhang> runs the smplayer/mpv just fine
[11:06] <bazhang> twelve
[11:07] <lundmar> yes, mpv works fine. I think it is because it uses a different rendering path
[11:07] <lundmar> maybe my vlc is not using hardware rendering which puts gnome/mutter to work instead
[11:08] <lundmar> but while the gnome/mutter rendering loop is loaded the mouse/input keyboard input stalls
[11:09] <lundmar> it's pretty terrible
[11:09] <lundmar> in the bug report they talk about moving the libinput input handling to a separate thread but I don't expect we will see that solution anytime soon.
[11:09] <bazhang> lundmar, just out of curiousity, have you done any dvd ripping
[11:10] <bazhang> ogmrip in particular
[11:10] <lundmar> I haven't used a dvd in 10 years or so..
[11:10] <bazhang> ok
[11:10] <bazhang> that particular ripper uses vlc
[11:10] <lundmar> I've disconnected myself from all types mechanical devices ;)
[11:11] <bazhang> righto, just curious
[11:11] <lundmar> I expect the devs will put some focus on this issue for the next release
[11:12] <lundmar> because it affects everything you do on the desktop
[11:13] <bazhang> I just noticed a bit of lag doing that, and it does use vlc
[11:15] <lundmar> in my case, if you go fullscreen vlc and move the mouse to display the bottom player menu bar it stall the video.
[11:15] <bazhang> thanks for the chat lundmar 
[11:15] <bazhang> hope to catch up  a bit later
[11:15] <lundmar> you too
[12:06] <lundmar> have anyone noticed that in Ubuntu 17.10 there are two gdm login sessions running?
[12:07] <lundmar> is this intentional?
[12:08] <lundmar> seems like a waste of resources to me.
[12:35] <tux_> Team Fortress 2 is crashing on Steam in 17.10, anyone else come across this?
[12:36] <tux_> using Dell inspiron with intel mesa drivers (official 17.2.1)
[14:47] <LogicalDash> I've got an FC30 Pro gamepad. Ubuntu 17.10 doesn't recognize it, though it does show up in lsusb. I think that means I have to add a udev rule, but what kind exactly?
[14:59] <LogicalDash> Never mind that last, I got it to work...but now the controller appears in jstest-gtk to have 8 axes when it really only has 6. That seems like maybe a driver issue?
[15:54] <LogicalDash> Well, I've upgraded the 8bitdo FC30 Pro to the latest firmware, 4.01, and now Ubuntu doesn't recognize it even with the custom udev rules that worked with 4.00.
[16:52] <LogicalDash> I think this is a driver issue, where do I go to report driver issues?
[16:58] <Faux> Is it a USB HID device? If so, there is no real "driver" as such.
[17:05] <LogicalDash> It's a joystick, idk
[17:06] <LogicalDash> I filed bugs against xserver-xorg-input-joystick