[00:01] I'd also, at a first glance... Like to make a nicer keyboard [00:10] no devs online that can tell me how to get involved [00:16] this appears to be true taht they are not online. However, let me encourage you to do everything you would like to.. like make a nicer keyboard. especially there is some person in here who was starting to work on a 'swype' style keyboard. That would be *awesome* [00:27] Project daily-hammerhead build #337: SUCCESS in 13 min: http://ci.ubports.com/job/daily-hammerhead/337/ [00:29] Project ota-push build #1096: SUCCESS in 1 min 47 sec: http://ci.ubports.com/job/ota-push/1096/ [00:37] Add Dvorak support, basic support for anything. Layout different from dictionary [00:40] wayneoutthere: I have experience with OS and compiler development, although I don't claim to be the best or ever better than most.. I just like coding, and I notice the system resoruce usage on my nexus 5 is really high compared to where i think we could get it... although that really is dependant on what I see when i dig into the source [00:40] then you can expect me to spend a few months just learning the system and it's components and internals(unless it's really just like pc ubuntu in which case we're only talking weeks before I start coding [00:40] It's not exactly like desktop ubuntu, but there are a lot of similarities [00:41] After you remount the system image as read-write, you have access to most of the things you'd want. [00:42] okay if any devs read this highlight or pm me with things I can help with and I can choose what I think my skills will be best put towards [00:43] but I'm very obsessive about efficiency and minimalism while still maintaining full functionality and offering the option to install more bloat than the base system includes [00:43] As Stefano mentioned earlier (you might not have been here), it seems that there's some considerable bloat on the Scopes screen. it's causing issues on the nexus 5. [00:45] Well, seeing as I have a huge box full of nexus 5's... I can afford to brick a bunch or have lots of different test builds running side by side for comparisons [00:45] Oh, you won't brick any. [00:45] I got them on ebay... $12.50 per phone [00:45] I might when I get into the kernel [00:45] The way to do that would be to flash either Radio or Bootloader... and we never do either. [00:45] :P [00:45] If you're just flashing the kernel, you can always flash over it. [00:46] fastboot exists for a reason. :) [00:46] No... I mean modding and improving and backporting features into the kernel... stuff like voltage and frequency scaling would be my first things I want to port in from the android communities kernels [00:46] Yeah, that could cause problems. [00:47] which is why having a huge supply of devices I can test on before any beta or even alpha is released [00:47] is good [00:47] because... It lets me not make other people be my guinea pigs [00:48] anyways... for now I just want to get a hold of and learn the code [00:49] If you're looking for kernel source, that's at https://github.com/ubports/android_kernel_lge_hammerhead [00:50] well, I like to have lots of projects going... being on disabity gives me many hours a day code...often up to 18... would be torture to only work on one thing 18 hours a day for weeks or months [00:51] Before I found this project I was making my own linux based system for androird devices... but why bother when you guys got the ground work laid out [00:51] Halium is great [00:51] for that [00:51] Right now I'm getting angry at Halium. [00:52] Apt says that there is no space left on device [00:52] It's a 64gb phone [00:52] right now I'm socializing because my friend just got here... so I kinda got to go, any devs that can help me get started contirbuting please pm or highlight me cause I gotta hang with my buddy now [00:52] I'll ask again in the middle of the night hoping to catch anyone who misses that request i just posted [00:53] Alright [00:56] I want to contribute to the project and hopefully agree on theory and design with the other devs so we can make something awesome [00:56] as I said, i was gonna roll my own linux os, but then I realized that this project was active and in working order [00:57] You bet. You mentioned the keyboard, which is in here: https://github.com/ubports/keyboard-component [00:57] and I was like, i should try and get on that as long as there's not serious conflicts with the other devs on how things should be done.. and if there is I can maintain a fork and you can just pull in the stuff you want from what I make [00:57] and ignore the stuff you don't want [00:57] And Halium is the hardware compatibility layer, which runs Android inside a container for libhybris. Converts sycalls between Bionic and glibc. [00:58] That's here: https://github.com/halium [00:58] I made a few hobby OS's for pc before, decided that was futile and useless and a phone os was more likely to see use by poeple other than me [00:58] And docs.halium.org [01:00] Well, we'll see where this goes, hopefully i can contribute useful stuff and have a good time in the process [01:01] The 16.04 image works on the Nexus 5 and it barely works, so that might be a fun place to start hacking. :P [01:01] https://wiki.ubports.com/wiki/How-to-install-Ubuntu-Touch-16.04 [01:01] cool:D [01:02] It boots.... which is something. [01:02] like i said I need to spend time first learning the whole system, if it's all standard linux stuff, i'll pick it up really quicky [01:02] I can't just jump into a project and write code interact with stuff I don't know [01:02] It generally is. The Click packaging format might be a little strange, but a majority of it is standard Linuxy stuff. [01:04] Well, then I should pick it up quickly, I use ubuntu, arch, gentoo, and I have a pretty decent knowledge of writing secure code [01:04] I have some white/grey hat skills, so i can use what I know to not fall victim to attacks that I could just avoid leaving open in the first place [01:04] Woo... Yeah, you'll probably pick it up quickly. [01:05] Yeah... Hopefully, I mean, there seems to be tons of stuff to do [01:05] The strangest thing you'll find is that a majority of root is mounted read-only by default. This is to allow for image-based upgrades. [01:05] `sudo mount -o remount,rw /` fixes that right up. [01:05] on a semi-related note I've been working on a pyhton 2.7 to arm elf compiler based loosely on cython... does ubuntu touch use elf binaries? [01:06] Bah, you've caught me. How would I test? [01:06] cython? I hadn't heard of that. [01:06] Well, I don't know... I guess you would put a elf arm binary on the system and run it from the terminal [01:07] that seems the simplest solution [01:07] Mmm... Would `file` tell me? [01:07] But if it's linux based it should support elf binaries unless they reomved support for native binarie execuatbles [01:07] you could use the file command to analyze a file and see if it's an elf binary [01:07] Oh, yeah. Standard binaries. [01:07] yep [01:08] It's all binaries. [01:08] Run of the mill. Ordinary. Just packaged and confined in a strange way to newcomers. [01:08] awesome [01:09] well, then I jut gotta learn [01:09] but my freind is telling me to stop chatting and chill with him, so semi-afk for many hours now [01:09] We I'm sure will talk again [01:10] Yeah, I'm bumbling about on my phone's filesystem like an idiot atm. :P [01:10] and I'm obsessing over stuff after i invited this guy to chill... I need some afk time for sanity reasons too [01:10] anyways, later:D [01:15] xorpad, finally pulled my head out and found an app on disk. Yes, it's ELF. And today I learned what ELF means. [01:15] heheD [01:15] :D [01:15] yay learning [01:16] After installing a couple apps, you can find them in /opt/click.ubuntu.com/ [01:16] every time we try to do something we don't know how to... We hack until we uncover the solution [01:17] If you don't take on projects you don't know how to finish you will never become more than you are now [01:18] Hacking to me, is the art of fucking around for science and discovery until you learn how your thing you're hacking works [01:18] and how you can repurpose it and enhance it and all that other cool stuff [01:18] You. I like you. Now go have fun. :P [01:19] Okay yeah, i gotta give this bro more attention... my friends always complain tjat I just code and or chat on irc when they come to chill [01:20] gonna close the lid on my laptop now to stop ignoring him [02:06] What kind of compiling system does the project use? [02:07] Different for each piece. [02:07] I see [02:07] When I get my 1950 TR back from warranty replacement, I can give people shells on that [02:08] That sounds like a cool piece of hardware... what is it? [02:08] It's got 3666mhz OC'd ram, 64gb, so you can compile from a tmpfs at insane speeds... and I'm thinking of buying a mobo that will let me push the ram to 4000mhz... and it's 16 core x 2 threads per core 3.98ghz [02:08] it's a 16 core hyperthreaded amd ryzen [02:08] so 32 threads [02:08] But 1950 TR [02:09] threadripper [02:09] ohhhhh [02:09] TR is threadripper 1950 is the model number [02:09] I'm sitting here on a Ryzen 7 1700. Fun to zip around builds. [02:09] I also have a 1700x ryzen which I'm sending in for replacement when I get the TR back [02:09] I have the 1700x, exact same chip but higher stock clock speed [02:10] Yeah, and most 1700s can be overclocked to match [02:10] literally came of the same fabrication process/mask set [02:10] I just can't be bothered. [02:10] yep... I only got the x model because it was on sale for less than the 1700 [02:10] but they both have the segfault bug, so unless you want to use gentoo, which I recompiled to not have that bug... You gotta wait till i get them replaced [02:10] It needs to be replaced to fix it? [02:11] Gentoo, recompiled with gcc 6.4.0, or 6.3.0, and no other versions... don't produce the segfaults [02:11] yeah, all ryzens made before july 1 had a fabrication defect that causes segfaults under heavy compiling loads or cpu bound video encoding/decoding [02:11] daaaaaamn [02:12] But it's automatic replacement if your serial number predates them fixing the mask set defect [02:12] if your serial number is below a certain number, and you say you get the bug, auto replacement no questions [02:13] but since most people run windows and encode on GPUs... 90% of people don't know their chips are defective and will never request a replacement [02:13] Even linux users... Most don't spend 12 hours a day compiling shit [02:13] I hit the bug a log before switching to gentoo because I compile android roms very frequently [02:13] I have like, a whole bunch of ROMs i maintain [02:14] Nothing crazy impressive, just full FOSS minimalstic ROMs [02:14] Let me guess, no express replacement [02:15] So I need to be out my desktop while I wait for them to get off their asses [02:15] You can get an RMA, but the store i bought from is a wholesaler and won't take it back unless I pay a fee [02:15] so I'm sending them in myself [02:15] Not gonna pay 50 bucks per chip to get a defective product replaced under warranty [02:15] Wonder if Newegg would cross-ship [02:16] I am in Canada, so I buy from Canada computers, neweggs canadian competition... But the stores in my area charge same as online prices which are almost as low as newegg [02:16] But they want money to accept RMA, which is total BS, I used to sell hardware, RMAs are not supposed to cost anything [02:17] Delivered July 19... [02:17] Maybe it's okay. [02:17] Maybe.... if not you'll get a free replacement [02:17] and if you feel like becoming a gentoo repping long bearded geek, you can just run Gentoo until the time is right to replace it [02:17] Got a link? [02:18] Also the segfaults don't happen that often and don't produce any output to corrupt the build so you just reissue the make command after it segfaults [02:18] link for what? [02:18] Checking for a replacemen [02:18] Oh... I don't have a link, but it's just amd's standard warranty replacement request form on their site [02:19] But I don't know what serial number values equal good vs bad [02:19] I don't know what the first non-borked serial number is [02:19] You will have to test it out and see if you're affected [02:19] Which means wasting thermal paste to pull the cooler off and check the SN [02:20] Nah, I have the box. [02:20] I told AMD they need to pay for 2 tubes of arctic silver 5 for when I took the sinks off to get the SN, and another 2 tubes for when I put the replacement back in place [02:20] They will probably not do it... but it doesn't hurt to make demands [02:20] You... you're using a whole tube? [02:22] No, I use about 2/3 of it... but I don't actually apply all that. 15 years ago I invented a method of using a credit card to spread a very thin layer of paste over the chip and plopping the sink only the layer... I wishI published it and took credit for it, because apparently someone else came up with the same method 5 years ago and now it's a common technique [02:22] If i had blogged about it before it got public I would have like... gold stars [02:22] many gold stars [02:22] But I didn't have a blog until yesterday [02:22] Lol [02:23] does ubports use gnueabi? [02:23] uh [02:23] For which part? [02:24] for the ubuntu repo avialable eabi-mimicking compiler libraries/abis [02:24] arm-linux-eabi, is avialble from arm, but in the ubuntu repos you have gcc-5-arm-gnueabi [02:25] not that I use gcc 5... I use 7.2 for compiling arm stuff... I even went to the trouble of stealing every optimizng routine I could find from every gcc fork lol [02:25] and many unit test failure fixes [02:25] I also added some on my own optimizations, but they rejected them saying they in certain situations stop more efficient optimizations from being usable [02:26] so my opts work, but existing ones don't work with my opts and are better than mine [02:26] I dunno, compiler dev I'm not so great at yet... But I'm getting better all the time [02:27] Darn, looks like I would have to pull my system apart to learn which week the processor was manufactured in. [02:27] Luckily I spent a lot of time on a irc with these 2 guys that talked all day about high levels maths... absorbed enough group and set theory to start doing this stuff [02:27] Yeah... It's BS [02:27] The system is actually based on Ubuntu 15.04 right now. It's older gcc than you might want. [02:27] that's why I haven't sent mine in yet... [02:27] takes time away from writing code or doing research in order to write code [02:28] or excessive sleeping once every 2 days when I burn out from coding non-stop [02:28] Is launchpad running slowly for you, perchance? [02:28] also, I hate messing with my hardware.... I've never had anything bad happen but i have anxiety issues and I freak out when I have to handle my hardware [02:30] Like I'm grounding myself every 5 seconds so I don't fry anything with static... I'm like super delicate with the hardware... With the exception of the time when I was younger and did a bunch of meth then figured the way to install my new heat sink was to break off the old one with brute force... I don't do drugs anymore gladly, but that was retarded... there was 43 sscrews but I had to break it off with a screw driver to pry the thing to [02:30] pieces [02:30] Drugs are bad and I don't recommend them, but I won't lie and say I never touched em [02:30] whoof. That doesn't sound like fun at all. [02:31] lol... It was stupid [02:31] because there was literally just 4 screws to remove it [02:33] I'm not afraid to open the thing up, but that's annoying. [02:34] I've touched enough hardware to stop being afraid of it. [02:34] I have too, buy clinical anxiety defies logic in most cases === Piece_Maker is now known as Acou_Bass [02:35] Yeah... [02:37] Like... I get anxious when I'm in my friends plane flying around... but then he does some fun manuvers and the adrenaline kicks in [02:37] Once i convinced him to do a spiral dive [02:37] that was an amazing rush [02:37] dropping 600 meters in 3 seconds while the plane is upside down spinning towards the ground [02:38] It's anxiety fever when we're on the way away from anything we could crash into, but as soon as he stalls the plane it's like a roller coaster ride x100 [02:39] Whoa! The Android container started and let me connect Wi-Fi on the G5. [02:39] You can't do stuff like that over populated areas because there's such a high chance you won't recover [02:39] @UniversalSuperBox, Congratulations [02:39] @bhushanshah, I could do it before, but it happened on the first boot this time. :P [02:39] Nice UniversalSuperBox [02:40] improvements are always good [02:40] I want to start working on stuff [02:40] but my friends here [02:40] Oh... Wi-Fi won't actually connect. [02:41] Oh... But it recognizes the device? [02:41] nmtui says it's good to go [02:41] But "Activation failed" [02:41] Well, the device initalizing and stating it's working is a good step forward from not having anything written yet [02:41] And it's hard to read dmesg because msm_ipc_router is upset. [02:41] writing drivers is hard [02:42] especially when you don't have detailed architecture and programming manuals from the hardware manufacturer [02:42] He understands our pain, @bhushanshah [02:42] @UniversalSuperBox, See last ~4 commit in bullhead [02:42] I want a bullhead [02:42] boot loops [02:42] I was gonna buy one but my laptop has started losing power and shuttng itself off, so I gotta spend it on a laptop instead [02:43] @bhushanshah, Kernel or device? [02:43] Kernel [02:43] Ohh kernel work:D [02:43] I want to help [02:43] "Disable the CONFIG_DUMMY, otherwise hybris-boot will passout" [02:43] i love these commit message [02:44] That was English, I think. [02:44] I like to commit things obsessively [02:44] Like I'll write one function and commit it [02:44] usually lots of commmits with the same comments because it's all part of the same work [02:45] I guess if I'm gonna help with this project I'm gonna have to start getting in the habit of writing comments [02:45] @UniversalSuperBox just checked, it's last 4 commits minus the commit to sort the kernel configuration [02:46] Alright. [02:47] Does GitHub not give diffs? [02:48] It does? [02:48] Just add .patch to the commit url [02:48] weeeee! [02:48] android_kernel_lge_bullhead/commit/0b64b0cd08b1b79eb4a26aa40651d7ff0a4fff3c.patch [02:48] For example [02:49] Okay... Copy paste fail [02:49] 😛 [02:54] Where is the offical irc for the project? I'm on the wrong end of the relay bot I feel like [02:54] which server? [02:54] The relay is from Telegram [02:55] Cool, so everyone is on Telegram? [02:55] https://ubports.com/telegram will give you the link [02:55] We sure are! [03:01] (Photo, 689x204) https://irc.ubports.com/quchG9AP/file_939.jpg Never gets old. [03:02] the official site has scripting that when blocked breaks it completely [03:02] Wonderful. [03:03] And maybe I'm just a parnoid anonymous random person but don't like letting code run on my computer [03:03] Whatever though, I have tools in place to protect anything from leaking, i just don't like it is all [03:03] Things should work with script blockers because scripting based drive-by-downloads are a major attack vector for malware developers [03:13] Xorpad was added by: UniversalSuperBox [03:13] Welcome to Telegram @Xorpad ! [03:13] Thanks man [03:14] It took me a few minutes to pick a phone to put it on [03:14] I have a lot of phones.. It's an obsession [03:14] Ah, yes. the "Which SIM do I use for this one?" problem. [03:14] @UniversalSuperBox, Welcome! [03:15] No I don't have many SIM cards just 3.. I kinda collect Android devicez [03:15] @Xorpad, You can install on PC too [03:15] Which seemed like a good idea until recently [03:16] Yeah I saw the pc client link [03:20] I prefer mobile apps because I don't constantly mess with and or switch is on this phone [03:20] Os [03:21] @Xorpad maybe you want be here too: … t.me/halium [03:22] My pc I'm on Windows then I'm in gentoo then over to Ubuntu... Then my debian I'm install... Constantly switching my laptop is I have quad boot [03:34] Does ubports use wayland? [03:35] Nope, still Mir. [03:36] I see [03:36] Not familiar with it [03:37] Is it got any cool selling points? [03:37] @UniversalSuperBox, Still? 🤔 are you going to switch? [03:37] @urielc, I've said it before. Unity 8 and Mir were written for each other. [03:37] It's not a matter of "Just" switching display servers. [03:40] I see... I heard From a random person Ubuntu was dropping unity as of 18.04.. Is that true or vs? [03:40] *bs [03:40] At the moment, Mir is still being maintained by Canonical and the Android driver support has been split off into a module. If things come together right, then we can switch to Wayland I suppose. Right now, though, it doesn't offer an immediate benefit other than stopping the wrath of Reddit [03:40] @Xorpad, It's true. Ubuntu 17.10 will ship with GNOME. [03:40] Interesting [03:42] I haven't used gnome in years... I like my lxde [03:43] I also think kde plasma is pretty but way too unstable to rely on [03:46] @Xorpad, GNOME is way worse [03:46] KDE Plasma is actually super stable even from the tip of the Git tree in my experience [03:46]