[00:01] <xorpad> I'd also, at a first glance... Like to make a nicer keyboard
[00:10] <xorpad> no devs online that can tell me how to get involved
 this appears to be true taht they are not online.  However, let me encourage you to do everything you would like to.. like make a nicer keyboard.  especially there is some person in here who was starting to work on a 'swype' style keyboard.  That would be *awesome*
[00:27] <ubports_bot> Project daily-hammerhead build #337: SUCCESS in 13 min: http://ci.ubports.com/job/daily-hammerhead/337/
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 Add Dvorak support, basic support for anything. Layout different from dictionary
[00:40] <xorpad> wayneoutthere: I have experience with OS and compiler development, although I don't claim to be the best or ever better than most.. I just like coding, and I notice the system resoruce usage on my nexus 5 is really high compared to where i think we could get it... although that really is dependant on what I see when i dig into the source
[00:40] <xorpad> then you can expect me to spend a few months just learning the system and it's components and internals(unless it's really just like pc ubuntu in which case we're only talking weeks before I start coding
 It's not exactly like desktop ubuntu, but there are a lot of similarities
 After you remount the system image as read-write, you have access to most of the things you'd want.
[00:42] <xorpad> okay if any devs read this highlight or pm me with things I can help with and I can choose what I think my skills will be best put towards
[00:43] <xorpad> but I'm very obsessive about efficiency and minimalism while still maintaining full functionality and offering the option to install more bloat than the base system includes
 As Stefano mentioned earlier (you might not have been here), it seems that there's some considerable bloat on the Scopes screen. it's causing issues on the nexus 5.
[00:45] <xorpad> Well, seeing as I have a huge box full of nexus 5's... I can afford to brick a bunch or have lots of different test builds running side by side for comparisons
 Oh, you won't brick any.
[00:45] <xorpad> I got them on ebay... $12.50 per phone
[00:45] <xorpad> I might when I get into the kernel
 The way to do that would be to flash either Radio or Bootloader... and we never do either.
[00:45] <xorpad> :P
 If you're just flashing the kernel, you can always flash over it.
 fastboot exists for a reason. :)
[00:46] <xorpad> No... I mean modding and improving and backporting features into the kernel... stuff like voltage and frequency scaling would be my first things I want to port in from the android communities kernels
 Yeah, that could cause problems.
[00:47] <xorpad> which is why having a huge supply of devices I can test on before any beta or even alpha is released
[00:47] <xorpad> is good
[00:47] <xorpad> because... It lets me not make other people be my guinea pigs
[00:48] <xorpad> anyways... for now I just want to get a hold of and learn the code
 If you're looking for kernel source, that's at https://github.com/ubports/android_kernel_lge_hammerhead
[00:50] <xorpad> well, I like to have lots of projects going... being on disabity gives me many hours a day code...often up to 18... would be torture to only work on one thing 18 hours a day for weeks or months
[00:51] <xorpad> Before I found this project I was making my own linux based system for androird devices... but why bother when you guys got the ground work laid out
 Halium is great
 for that
 Right now I'm getting angry at Halium.
 Apt says that there is no space left on device
 It's a 64gb phone
[00:52] <xorpad> right now I'm socializing because my friend just got here... so I kinda got to go, any devs that can help me get started contirbuting please pm or highlight me cause I gotta hang with my buddy now
[00:52] <xorpad> I'll ask again in the middle of the night hoping to catch anyone who misses that request i just posted
 Alright
[00:56] <xorpad> I want to contribute to the project and hopefully agree on theory and design with the other devs so we can make something awesome
[00:56] <xorpad> as I said, i was gonna roll my own linux os, but then I realized that this project was active and in working order
 You bet. You mentioned the keyboard, which is in here: https://github.com/ubports/keyboard-component
[00:57] <xorpad> and I was like, i should try and get on that as long as there's not serious conflicts with the other devs on how things should be done.. and if there is I can maintain a fork and you can just pull in the stuff you want from what I make
[00:57] <xorpad> and ignore the stuff you don't want
 And Halium is the hardware compatibility layer, which runs Android inside a container for libhybris. Converts sycalls between Bionic and glibc.
 That's here: https://github.com/halium
[00:58] <xorpad> I made a few hobby OS's for pc before, decided that was futile and useless and a phone os was more likely to see use by poeple other than me
 And docs.halium.org
[01:00] <xorpad> Well, we'll see where this goes, hopefully i can contribute useful stuff and have a good time in the process
 The 16.04 image works on the Nexus 5 and it barely works, so that might be a fun place to start hacking. :P
 https://wiki.ubports.com/wiki/How-to-install-Ubuntu-Touch-16.04
[01:01] <xorpad> cool:D
 It boots.... which is something.
[01:02] <xorpad> like i said I need to spend time first learning the whole system, if it's all standard linux stuff, i'll pick it up really quicky
[01:02] <xorpad> I can't just jump into a project and write code interact with stuff I don't know
 It generally is. The Click packaging format might be a little strange, but a majority of it is standard Linuxy stuff.
[01:04] <xorpad> Well, then I should pick it up quickly, I use ubuntu, arch, gentoo, and I have a pretty decent knowledge of writing secure code
[01:04] <xorpad> I have some white/grey hat skills, so i can use what I know to not fall victim to attacks that I could just avoid leaving open in the first place
 Woo... Yeah, you'll probably pick it up quickly.
[01:05] <xorpad> Yeah... Hopefully, I mean, there seems to be tons of stuff to do
 The strangest thing you'll find is that a majority of root is mounted read-only by default. This is to allow for image-based upgrades.
 `sudo mount -o remount,rw /` fixes that right up.
[01:05] <xorpad> on a semi-related note I've been working on a pyhton 2.7 to arm elf compiler based loosely on cython... does ubuntu touch use elf binaries?
 Bah, you've caught me. How would I test?
 cython? I hadn't heard of that.
[01:06] <xorpad> Well, I don't know... I guess you would put a elf arm binary on the system and run it from the terminal
[01:07] <xorpad> that seems the simplest solution
 Mmm... Would `file` tell me?
[01:07] <xorpad> But if it's linux based it should support elf binaries unless they reomved support for native binarie execuatbles
[01:07] <xorpad> you could use the file command to analyze a file and see if it's an elf binary
 Oh, yeah. Standard binaries.
[01:07] <xorpad> yep
 It's all binaries.
 Run of the mill. Ordinary. Just packaged and confined in a strange way to newcomers.
[01:08] <xorpad> awesome
[01:09] <xorpad> well, then I jut gotta learn
[01:09] <xorpad> but my freind is telling me to stop chatting and chill with him, so semi-afk for many hours now
[01:09] <xorpad> We I'm sure will talk again
 Yeah, I'm bumbling about on my phone's filesystem like an idiot atm. :P
[01:10] <xorpad> and I'm obsessing over stuff after i invited this guy to chill... I need some afk time for sanity reasons too
[01:10] <xorpad> anyways, later:D
 xorpad, finally pulled my head out and found an app on disk. Yes, it's ELF. And today I learned what ELF means.
[01:15] <xorpad> heheD
[01:15] <xorpad> :D
[01:15] <xorpad> yay learning
 After installing a couple apps, you can find them in /opt/click.ubuntu.com/
[01:16] <xorpad> every time we try to do something we don't know how to... We hack until we uncover the solution
[01:17] <xorpad> If you don't take on projects you don't know how to finish you will never become more than you are now
[01:18] <xorpad> Hacking to me, is the art of fucking around for science and discovery until you learn how your thing you're hacking works
[01:18] <xorpad> and how you can repurpose it and enhance it and all that other cool stuff
 You. I like you. Now go have fun. :P
[01:19] <xorpad> Okay yeah, i gotta give this bro more attention... my friends always complain tjat I just code and or chat on irc when they come to chill
[01:20] <xorpad> gonna close the lid on my laptop now to stop ignoring him
[02:06] <xorpad> What kind of compiling system does the project use?
 Different for each piece.
[02:07] <xorpad> I see
[02:07] <xorpad> When I get my 1950 TR back from warranty replacement, I can give people shells on that
 That sounds like a cool piece of hardware... what is it?
[02:08] <xorpad> It's got 3666mhz OC'd ram, 64gb, so you can compile from a tmpfs at insane speeds... and I'm thinking of buying a mobo that will let me push the ram to 4000mhz... and it's 16 core x 2 threads per core 3.98ghz
[02:08] <xorpad> it's a 16 core hyperthreaded amd ryzen
[02:08] <xorpad> so 32 threads
 But 1950 TR
[02:09] <xorpad> threadripper
 ohhhhh
[02:09] <xorpad> TR is threadripper 1950 is the model number
 I'm sitting here on a Ryzen 7 1700. Fun to zip around builds.
[02:09] <xorpad> I also have a 1700x ryzen which I'm sending in for replacement when I get the TR back
[02:09] <xorpad> I have the 1700x, exact same chip but higher stock clock speed
 Yeah, and most 1700s can be overclocked to match
[02:10] <xorpad> literally came of the same fabrication process/mask set
 I just can't be bothered.
[02:10] <xorpad> yep... I only got the x model because it was on sale for less than the 1700
[02:10] <xorpad> but they both have the segfault bug, so unless you want to use gentoo, which I recompiled to not have that bug... You gotta wait till i get them replaced
 It needs to be replaced to fix it?
[02:11] <xorpad> Gentoo, recompiled with gcc 6.4.0, or 6.3.0, and no other versions... don't produce the segfaults
[02:11] <xorpad> yeah, all ryzens made before july 1 had a fabrication defect that causes segfaults under heavy compiling loads or cpu bound video encoding/decoding
 daaaaaamn
[02:12] <xorpad> But it's automatic replacement if your serial number predates them fixing the mask set defect
[02:12] <xorpad> if your serial number is below a certain number, and you say you get the bug, auto replacement no questions
[02:13] <xorpad> but since most people run windows and encode on GPUs... 90% of people don't know their chips are defective and will never request a replacement
[02:13] <xorpad> Even linux users... Most don't spend 12 hours a day compiling shit
[02:13] <xorpad> I hit the bug a log before switching to gentoo because I compile android roms very frequently
[02:13] <xorpad> I have like, a whole bunch of ROMs i maintain
[02:14] <xorpad> Nothing crazy impressive, just full FOSS minimalstic ROMs
 Let me guess, no express replacement
 So I need to be out my desktop while I wait for them to get off their asses
[02:15] <xorpad> You can get an RMA, but the store i bought from is a wholesaler and won't take it back unless I pay a fee
[02:15] <xorpad> so I'm sending them in myself
[02:15] <xorpad> Not gonna pay 50 bucks per chip to get a defective product replaced under warranty
 Wonder if Newegg would cross-ship
[02:16] <xorpad> I am in Canada, so I buy from Canada computers, neweggs canadian competition... But the stores in my area charge same as online prices which are almost as low as newegg
[02:16] <xorpad> But they want money to accept RMA, which is total BS, I used to sell hardware, RMAs are not supposed to cost anything
 Delivered July 19...
 Maybe it's okay.
[02:17] <xorpad> Maybe.... if not you'll get a free replacement
[02:17] <xorpad> and if you feel like becoming a gentoo repping long bearded geek, you can just run Gentoo until the time is right to replace it
 Got a link?
[02:18] <xorpad> Also the segfaults don't happen that often and don't produce any output to corrupt the build so you just reissue the make command after it segfaults
[02:18] <xorpad> link for what?
 Checking for a replacemen
[02:18] <xorpad> Oh... I don't have a link, but it's just amd's standard warranty replacement request form on their site
[02:19] <xorpad> But I don't know what serial number values equal good vs bad
[02:19] <xorpad> I don't know what the first non-borked serial number is
[02:19] <xorpad> You will have to test it out and see if you're affected
[02:19] <xorpad> Which means wasting thermal paste to pull the cooler off and check the SN
 Nah, I have the box.
[02:20] <xorpad> I told AMD they need to pay for 2 tubes of arctic silver 5 for when I took the sinks off to get the SN, and another 2 tubes for when I put the replacement back in place
[02:20] <xorpad> They will probably not do it... but it doesn't hurt to make demands
 You... you're using a whole tube?
[02:22] <xorpad> No, I use about 2/3 of it... but I don't actually apply all that. 15 years ago I invented a method of using a credit card to spread a very thin layer of paste over the chip and plopping the sink only the layer... I wishI published it and took credit for it, because apparently someone else came up with the same method 5 years ago and now it's a common technique
[02:22] <xorpad> If i had blogged about it before it got public I would have like... gold stars
[02:22] <xorpad> many gold stars
[02:22] <xorpad> But I didn't have a blog until yesterday
[02:22] <xorpad> Lol
[02:23] <xorpad> does ubports use gnueabi?
 uh
 For which part?
[02:24] <xorpad> for the ubuntu repo avialable eabi-mimicking compiler libraries/abis
[02:24] <xorpad> arm-linux-eabi, is avialble from arm, but in the ubuntu repos you have gcc-5-arm-gnueabi
[02:25] <xorpad> not that I use gcc 5... I use 7.2 for compiling arm stuff... I even went to the trouble of stealing every optimizng routine I could find from every gcc fork lol
[02:25] <xorpad> and many unit test failure fixes
[02:25] <xorpad> I also added some on my own optimizations, but they rejected them saying they in certain situations stop more efficient optimizations from being usable
[02:26] <xorpad> so my opts work, but existing ones don't work with my opts and are better than mine
[02:26] <xorpad> I dunno, compiler dev I'm not so great at yet... But I'm getting better all the time
 Darn, looks like I would have to pull my system apart to learn which week the processor was manufactured in.
[02:27] <xorpad> Luckily I spent a lot of time on a irc with these 2 guys that talked all day about high levels maths... absorbed enough group and set theory to start doing this stuff
[02:27] <xorpad> Yeah... It's BS
 The system is actually based on Ubuntu 15.04 right now. It's older gcc than you might want.
[02:27] <xorpad> that's why I haven't sent mine in yet...
[02:27] <xorpad> takes time away from writing code or doing research in order to write code
[02:28] <xorpad> or excessive sleeping once every 2 days when I burn out from coding non-stop
 Is launchpad running slowly for you, perchance?
[02:28] <xorpad> also, I hate messing with my hardware.... I've never had anything bad happen but i have anxiety issues and I freak out when I have to handle my hardware
[02:30] <xorpad> Like I'm grounding myself every 5 seconds so I don't fry anything with static... I'm like super delicate with the hardware... With the exception of the time when I was younger and did a bunch of meth then figured the way to install my new heat sink was to break off the old one with brute force... I don't do drugs anymore gladly, but that was retarded... there was 43 sscrews but I had to break it off with a screw driver to pry the thing to
[02:30] <xorpad> pieces
[02:30] <xorpad> Drugs are bad and I don't recommend them, but I won't lie and say I never touched em
 whoof. That doesn't sound like fun at all.
[02:31] <xorpad> lol... It was stupid
[02:31] <xorpad> because there was literally just 4 screws to remove it
 I'm not afraid to open the thing up, but that's annoying.
 I've touched enough hardware to stop being afraid of it.
[02:34] <xorpad> I have too, buy clinical anxiety defies logic in most cases
 Yeah...
[02:37] <xorpad> Like... I get anxious when I'm in my friends plane flying around... but then he does some fun manuvers and the adrenaline kicks in
[02:37] <xorpad> Once i convinced him to do a spiral dive
[02:37] <xorpad> that was an amazing rush
[02:37] <xorpad> dropping 600 meters in 3 seconds while the plane is upside down spinning towards the ground
[02:38] <xorpad> It's anxiety fever when we're on the way away from anything we could crash into, but as soon as he stalls the plane it's like a roller coaster ride x100
 Whoa! The Android container started and let me connect Wi-Fi on the G5.
[02:39] <xorpad> You can't do stuff like that over populated areas because there's such a high chance you won't recover
 @UniversalSuperBox, Congratulations
 @bhushanshah, I could do it before, but it happened on the first boot this time. :P
[02:39] <xorpad> Nice UniversalSuperBox
[02:40] <xorpad> improvements are always good
[02:40] <xorpad> I want to start working on stuff
[02:40] <xorpad> but my friends here
 Oh... Wi-Fi won't actually connect.
[02:41] <xorpad> Oh... But it recognizes the device?
 nmtui says it's good to go
 But "Activation failed"
[02:41] <xorpad> Well, the device initalizing and stating it's working is a good step forward from not having anything written yet
 And it's hard to read dmesg because msm_ipc_router is upset.
[02:41] <xorpad> writing drivers is hard
[02:42] <xorpad> especially when you don't have detailed architecture and programming manuals from the hardware manufacturer
 He understands our pain, @bhushanshah
 @UniversalSuperBox, See last ~4 commit in bullhead
[02:42] <xorpad> I want a bullhead
 boot loops
[02:42] <xorpad> I was gonna buy one but my laptop has started losing power and shuttng itself off, so I gotta spend it on a laptop instead
 @bhushanshah, Kernel or device?
 Kernel
[02:43] <xorpad> Ohh kernel work:D
[02:43] <xorpad> I want to help
 "Disable the CONFIG_DUMMY, otherwise hybris-boot will passout"
 i love these commit message
 That was English, I think.
[02:44] <xorpad> I like to commit things obsessively
[02:44] <xorpad> Like I'll write one function and commit it
[02:44] <xorpad> usually lots of commmits with the same comments because it's all part of the same work
[02:45] <xorpad> I guess if I'm gonna help with this project I'm gonna have to start getting in the habit of writing comments
 @UniversalSuperBox just checked, it's last 4 commits minus the commit to sort the kernel configuration
 Alright.
 Does GitHub not give diffs?
 It does?
 Just add .patch to the commit url
 weeeee!
 android_kernel_lge_bullhead/commit/0b64b0cd08b1b79eb4a26aa40651d7ff0a4fff3c.patch
 For example
 Okay... Copy paste fail
 😛
[02:54] <xorpad> Where is the offical irc for the project? I'm on the wrong end of the relay bot I feel like
[02:54] <xorpad> which server?
 The relay is from Telegram
[02:55] <xorpad> Cool, so everyone is on Telegram?
 https://ubports.com/telegram will give you the link
 We sure are!
 (Photo, 689x204) https://irc.ubports.com/quchG9AP/file_939.jpg Never gets old.
[03:02] <xorpad> the official site has scripting that when blocked breaks it completely
 Wonderful.
[03:03] <xorpad> And maybe I'm just a parnoid anonymous random person but don't like letting code run on my computer
[03:03] <xorpad> Whatever though, I have tools in place to protect anything from leaking, i just don't like it is all
[03:03] <xorpad> Things should work with script blockers because scripting based drive-by-downloads are a major attack vector for malware developers
[03:13] <tgBot> Xorpad was added by: UniversalSuperBox
 Welcome to Telegram @Xorpad !
 Thanks man
 It took me a few minutes to pick a phone to put it on
 I have a lot of phones.. It's an obsession
 Ah, yes. the "Which SIM do I use for this one?" problem.
 @UniversalSuperBox, Welcome!
 No I don't have many SIM cards just 3..  I kinda collect Android devicez
 @Xorpad, You can install on PC too
 Which seemed like a good idea until recently
 Yeah I saw the pc client link
 I prefer mobile apps because I don't constantly mess with and or switch is on this phone
 Os
 @Xorpad maybe you want be here too: … t.me/halium
 My pc I'm on Windows then I'm in gentoo then over to Ubuntu... Then my debian I'm install... Constantly switching my laptop is I have quad boot
 Does ubports use wayland?
 Nope, still Mir.
 I see
 Not familiar with it
 Is it got any cool selling points?
 @UniversalSuperBox, Still? 🤔 are you going to switch?
 @urielc, I've said it before. Unity 8 and Mir were written for each other.
 It's not a matter of "Just" switching display servers.
 I see... I heard From a random person Ubuntu was dropping unity as of 18.04.. Is that true or vs?
 *bs
 At the moment, Mir is still being maintained by Canonical and the Android driver support has been split off into a module. If things come together right, then we can switch to Wayland I suppose. Right now, though, it doesn't offer an immediate benefit other than stopping the wrath of Reddit
 @Xorpad, It's true. Ubuntu 17.10 will ship with GNOME.
 Interesting
 I haven't used gnome in years... I like my lxde
 I also think kde plasma is pretty but way too unstable to rely on
 @Xorpad, GNOME is way worse
 KDE Plasma is actually super stable even from the tip of the Git tree in my experience
 GNOME... isn't
 Boi
 @tsimonq2, Straighten out that statement my dude
 Offtopic chat exists for a reason
 @Schyken, Nope m8, come at me :P
 No, like legit, it's slanted xXD
 :P
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 Boah 300+ messages during night, and then suddenly all went asleep or what? 😆
 Hey guys what do you use for your build environment/setup for compiling for ubports targeting arm?
 Still here.. What do you mean for OOmed?
 Killed by the Out Of Memory killer
 Ok thks
 Wait... Dan Chapman, of army cyber security?
 https://plus.google.com/103117938079967018309/posts/5EFXTDkEKSE
 o_O this is the unity8 greeter, right?
 but looks a bit different?
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 It does look like a unity 8 greeter and indeed looks a bit different
 Why no indicators?
 don't know :/
 Hi UBports INstaller intsalling files to device Goolge nexus 5 pushing file 1 is it a long process?
 I have chosen wipe option
[11:21] <tgBot> gouchi was added by: gouchi
 @Flohack got camero video record work 😱😱😱😱
 @Walid, kewl!
 its media_codec.xml cause the pb, now camera is more stable (sometime crash but its work)
 @Flohack the video format is mp4, system  media player can't open it
 @Walid, Yes we know we have some troubles with video playback on actually all devices
 e.g. this one: https://github.com/ubports/ubports-touch/issues/7
 this too: https://github.com/ubports/ubports-touch/issues/249
 UTmedia work perfect, so we can use it
 oki
 @Xorpad, What do you mean by this?
 Hi guys need help if posible got nexus 5 with android 4.4. tried to install ubport but device get stuck to ubport screen and nothing happens
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 @prpleXist, Sounds like incomplete download. What tool did you use?
 Hi am using sudo ./launcher.sh
 cd magic I mnaged to install enetually but hangs at start and after rc update is no longer booting
 UBports installer or MDT?
 cd magic-device-tool
 mdt
 Did you install Canonical UT first or try go straight to UBports UT?
 staright to ubport
 Try installing Canonical first
 Then skip to UBports
 thanks an update is still happening will look many thanks
 Look at SPflashtool for the Canonical install but use carefully and read instructions!
 Set to firmware update ONLY
 Sorry. Forget that last. It is Nexus 5. Qualcomm…
 Others on here have done Nexus 5 so better able to comment
 thanks
 Seems like Ubports ota2 cannot sync contact favorites (marked by star) from gmail account.
 will it be possible in the future  to use https://build.snapcraft.io to publish Open Store ?
 https://www.google.com/amp/www.androidauthority.com/linux-kernel-lts-extended-6-years-project-treble-803479/amp/ I think it's good news for all Linux based devices!!
 mostly for those running 4.4
 @rogieroudshoorn, Yes. .. 4.4 and upper
 @Flohack, Except the nexus 4 !
 @Vijay, silly google
 http://www.androidauthority.com/linux-kernel-lts-extended-6-years-project-treble-803479/ also this is a better link
 (Photo, 640x480) https://irc.ubports.com/lLOPfWoj/file_941.jpg
 @hawk_is_here, How is this related?
 We have an offtopic group for this type of content now! :) … @ubports_ot
 @UniversalSuperBox, For some reasons I'm banned :/
 Yes, I'm sure you know why and I'm not going to argue with you about it.
 lol
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 @Ern_st, @Ern_st  are you using ubports on the Nexus 4? how well does it work?
 QuestIon: does anyone else have an issue with the fairphone dropping to zero while in standby? No use, no apps on background, nothing. The battery count drops like a stone during the night, phone is dead in the morning. Anyone?
 @per_sonne, Last full charge 86 hours ago. Currently 12%. Has just been sat around
 @per_sonne, Same here with an one plus one, nothing on the background... There battery is draining.
 Question: Can i replace the Ubuntu webbrowser with Firefox or something like that?
 @jakko, You can install Firefox yes
 But doesn't work very well on touch hdpi devices...
 @TronFourtyTwo, Okay, but I understand i can only install .click file on the ubports device? Can I install.deb files ?
 @jakko, You can use libertine to install deb files. Take a look at https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguide/dailyuse/libertine.html
 @SwizzlaKalongie, All the major bugs has been fixed, he went recently on Stable. Working better than the cannonical version
 @Ern_st, sweet. thanks man. good news.
 @MatthewM. Can you help me getting a right qtubuntu lib? I'm too stupid cherrypicking the revs. Can you upload a finished zip somewhere?
 @jakko, There is no reasonable build of Firefox for a mobile device, you probably cannot use the GUI elements at all
 @Flohack, i know it, i wasnt sure... thx for your answer. I'm a daily android user, and i love the chrome future, that i can add an website to my home screen....<--- but thats another thing.
 @jakko, We will have others browsers some day, but now our focus must be the core OS =)
 @Flohack, hahha. i know... dreaming, is not forbidden right? ;)
 right
 Firefox is missing a real embedding solution currently, so if you want to build a mobile firefox GUI, you currently can't because you can't really embed gecko into QML (SailfishOS does it but they use partitally outdated forks of some things)
 exactly. We need a complete GUI
 Probably we would be more lucky with pure Chromium
 Or go back to webkit
 me hides
 @DanChapman, Them's fightin' words
 😊 well it worked and didn't eat through ram like candy
 btw will Plasma Mobile apps run on Ubuntu Touch 16.04? I know there aren't that many, but compatibility would be great. You'd only need to have plasma-framework and kirigami in your repos. If you really use Qt 5.9, everything else should run fine.
 That's a solid
 maybe
 Or how about, it depends
 @JBBgameich, actually ubuntu touch currently uses qt 5.4, but the update to 5.9 is planned
 (Sticker, 390x512) https://irc.ubports.com/k9yoFuIE/file_942.webp
 @TronFourtyTwo, I'm speaking of the 16.04 release, which is not yet released or ready but I heard it should use Qt 5.9 anyway
 @JBBgameich, Ops you're right
 I hadn't read that 😁 sorry
 @jakko, Something is off, then. Can we watch processes logs or something to watch what is eating up cycles in the background? Does anyone know how to do that? It doesn't happen on my bq e4.5, but it does on the fairphone. Seems built-specific.
 Is the NSA running stuff on the android bit blobs layer?
 Or is it the Russians?
 Or an elf?
 I need to know if leprechauns are eating up my battery.
 @per_sonne, I can check the log files. @Flohack does the battery use a log file of something..?
 Of  = or
 @TronFourtyTwo, Did yall see this about QT 5.9 and UBports? It looked interesting to me. … https://matrix.org/blog/2017/09/28/experiments-with-matrix-on-the-purism-librem5-starring-ubports-and-nheko/
 @blendergeek0, yep
 The instructions may need a rework because some things keep unclarified yet.
 @blendergeek0, thanks.
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 @blendergeek0, I ordered a raspi2 will arrive mon-tues
 Gonna use that as a native arm buildbox
 That may take a while
 Got v2 cause same arch as nexus 5 which is what I dev for/on usually
 V7a
 No neon extension though
 I have a bq.e 4.5. Is posible to change the channel the stable to release candidate?
 @UniversalSuperBox, It's quite fast, I'm using one for that myself. Emulating armhf in qemu-user-static isn't much better anyway.
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 can't ubuntu's message app sent a MMS?
 @Field10pg, Yes. Go into system settings and change the channel there - provided you updated to OTA2 already