[08:35] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:55] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:58] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[09:02] <MooDoo> thought i was the only one about today lpol
[09:11] <brobostigon> lpol?
[09:13] <MooDoo> typo
[09:14] <brobostigon> ah ok.
[12:32] <hazrpg-new> hey all o/
[12:38] <hazrpg[laptop]> just wondering, but has anyone recently got a 128GB (SSD) + 1TB (HDD) laptop? And if you have, what kind of configuration have you guys done for dual-booting? I'm currently doing
[12:38] <hazrpg[laptop]> a ddrescue of the 128GB because it has all the factory settings on it. But I want to clean install Win10 and Ubuntu.
[13:42] <MooDoo> hazrpg[laptop]: yeah i've got 250gb, with 60gb ubuntu rest windows 10, 1tb 2nd hard drive as ntfs mounted with fstab :)
[14:04] <daftykins> hazrpg[laptop]: you could do a 100GB C: for win10, then the rest as / for your ubuntu install - maybe slice up the 1TB for each as storage too
[16:13] <daftykins> mmm grey damp day today here on the rock
[16:17] <penguin42> the whole weekend has been rather wet and grey here
[16:17] <daftykins> i thought the north was famed for that!
[16:17] <penguin42> it is, but this weekend has been particularly grey
[16:18] <daftykins> hmm
[16:20] <penguin42> it's interesting watching the solar generation graphs; Thursday managed to peak at about 5.5GW, today barely managed to hit 2GW at midday
[16:24] <daftykins> ah har, whose hardware is that?
[16:25] <penguin42> the whole of the UK; gridwatch.templar.co.uk
[16:25] <penguin42> the solar is estimate because there's no actual central measurement
[16:26] <daftykins> ah interesting, thanks
[16:26] <penguin42> I sent the guy a mail to turn up the dial on wind :-)
[16:27] <daftykins> needs to go to 11 ;D
[19:03] <diddledan> all the way to 11!
[19:05] <diddledan> penguin42: interesting that there's PV generation when it's dark outside: https://www.solar.sheffield.ac.uk/pvlive/
[19:06] <diddledan> somhow we're producing 1.5MeggerWatts
[19:06] <penguin42> diddledan: yeh :-) Note that is some neat approximation because there's no actual central measurement of PV
[19:07] <diddledan> that's a nice site you linked tho
[19:07] <diddledan> me like
[19:08] <daftykins> could be coming off stored charge from their setups?
[19:08] <diddledan> the elexon portal has quite detailed figures: https://www.bmreports.com/bmrs/?q=actgenration/actualaggregated
[19:08] <penguin42> probably one or two broken reporters somewhere; or street lights
[19:09] <penguin42> diddledan: Yeh, that's the source that templar uses
[19:10] <diddledan> wow. today we've produced as much through wind as we have through gas
[19:10] <penguin42> diddledan: bmreports has loads of other things, like expected generation outages, peak expected usages and wind, and the geenration warnings when we get a bit too close for comfort
[19:10] <diddledan> probably where the gas was people farting, causing the turbines to turn, and then burning the methane :-p
[19:11] <penguin42> diddledan: The problem with the wind isn't the small blips - the problem is the week long blips when it suddenly drops down to 1/10 of that
[19:12] <diddledan> aye
[19:12] <diddledan> we need some way to smoothen it out
[19:12] <diddledan> gas is providing that backfill right now
[19:12] <diddledan> but. there ain't much of that left
[19:12] <penguin42> well, the coal comes on when it's really low
[19:13] <diddledan> yeah, coal is more of a long-term thing because you can't turn it on and off as quickly
[19:13] <penguin42> and this is a Sunday when the load is low
[19:14] <diddledan> although they demolished the coal station near here, leaving just gas on that site - didcot
[19:15] <diddledan> "I wonder why solar generation steadily increases during the day until it peaks around noon and then drops back at the same rate it ramped-up to begin with?"</moron>
[19:16] <diddledan> so you know the sun orbits the Earth, right?
[19:17] <diddledan> like the Earth is flat, so why does the sun fade rather than flip when it goes over the horizon?!
[19:18] <penguin42> we need a Dyson sphere
[19:18] <diddledan> that sounds sucky
[19:19] <diddledan> I love the concept of the dyson sphere but it gonna take a helluva lot of energy and material
[19:19] <penguin42> nod
[19:20] <penguin42> diddledan: What do you think happens to all the fluff they suck up?
[19:21] <diddledan> although thinking about it, if you consider that the idea is to harvest the energy from the star, then as you start building it the building becomes progressively easier because you have progressively more and more energy trapped
[19:21] <diddledan> I vote for Mr Musk to start building us one
[19:22] <penguin42> nod, he seems to have plenty of free time
[19:22] <diddledan> I really feel we can't be far off starting to harvest material from offworld
[19:23] <diddledan> maybe a decade or two
[19:23] <penguin42> 'Go to the offworld colonies.....'
[19:23] <diddledan> :-)
[21:12] <diddledan> just shared in Telegram on the Ubuntu Podcast channel, but I figure you'll enjoy the wackiness: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1924068812/mimimi-an-innovative-feminine-rinser
[21:13] <diddledan> seriously nuts to be expecting Women to think that's a handy gadget for their hoohoo
[22:40] <hazrpg[laptop]> anyone running ubuntu with secure boot on? And are they using 3rd party drivers. Ubuntu asked me to disable secure boot - but still booted fine. Am I missing something? Are there any packages that isn't getting used because I've kept secure boot on?
[22:41] <daftykins> i think an nvidia proprietary driver might cause issues?
[22:41] <diddledan> hazrpg[laptop]: your nvidia/amd/broadcom cards will be using opensource drivers if they exist
[22:42] <diddledan> most likely your graphics card won't be using the proprietary drivers
[22:43] <diddledan> although AMD are potentially sidestepping that in more recent stuff by having a hybrid driver where the gpl shim is included upstream
[22:43] <diddledan> ?
[22:51] <daftykins> o0
[22:59] <diddledan> I guess our advice wasn't wanted
[23:00] <hazrpg[laptop]> sorry no was busy lol
[23:00] <daftykins> diddledan: you can no haz laptop
[23:01] <hazrpg[laptop]> daftykins: diddledan: ah, is there an easy way to use the non-opensource ones? Will there actually be any difference (I know the nvidia one will)
[23:02] <daftykins> no idea what your hardware is to know which you're planning to use
[23:02] <diddledan> the easy way to allow the proprietary drivers to work is to disable secure boot like the installer told you
[23:02] <diddledan> that is also the ONLY way to let them work
[23:03] <hazrpg[laptop]> diddledan: true, but it seems like a workaround to the problem
[23:03] <daftykins> it is :D
[23:04] <hazrpg[laptop]> wouldn't it make more sense to wrap around mokutils - since I've read that's how you would sign the drivers
[23:04] <diddledan> you _could_ set up a certification authority and issue yourself a signing certificate and sign all your kernel modules using that certificate and install the certification certificate in your certifcation-store
[23:04] <diddledan> but that would also be a workaround
[23:04] <hazrpg[laptop]> well true
[23:05] <daftykins> so you reckon nvidia would do that? ;D
[23:05] <diddledan> those steps are far too convoluted to expect the average user to go through which is why it's not recommended by the installer in favour of advising to just disable secureboot
[23:06] <hazrpg[laptop]> daftykins: heh, I meant that the nvidia one will probably be the only one not being loaded that I can tell
[23:07] <daftykins> oh well you'd of course have to manually put it on if you wanted it
[23:07] <diddledan> to find out of nvidia is loaded run `lsmod | grep nv`
[23:07] <daftykins> still don't know the system hardware though (:
[23:07] <diddledan> if it doesn't list a module called "nvidia" then you're running opensauce
[23:07] <hazrpg[laptop]> daftykins: Dell Inspiron 15 7577
[23:08] <diddledan> -.-
[23:08] <daftykins> eh that would make me have to go and look something up
[23:08] <hazrpg[laptop]> lol
[23:12] <hazrpg[laptop]> lspci help?
[23:13] <hazrpg[laptop]> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25657504/
[23:15] <diddledan> that smells like an optimus setup
[23:15] <hazrpg[laptop]> it is
[23:16] <hazrpg[laptop]> although it isn't branded as one...
[23:18] <hazrpg[laptop]> Intel 8265 Wireless Card
[23:18] <daftykins> 1050Ti eh? funky
[23:19] <daftykins> doubt that'll work anywhere near its' potential without the proprietary driver on then
[23:21] <hazrpg[laptop]> daftykins: true, but I honestly won't need it for most of the work I do.
[23:21] <hazrpg[laptop]> I think I'm more worried about the wifi, etc not working to its potential
[23:23] <daftykins> well there's no proprietary intel driver that'd require secure boot off.
[23:24] <hazrpg[laptop]> daftykins: I thought as much. So I can just craic on as normal then :)
[23:25] <hazrpg[laptop]> I've honestly never used the nouveau drivers since 12.04, but is it likely its being used at all if its the intel built-in that I care about?
[23:26] <hazrpg[laptop]> or does it still need to hand off to the intel core?
[23:27] <daftykins> i'm sure it loaded, but i've no idea how hybrid setups function on Loonix these days, it was always a joke
[23:27] <hazrpg[laptop]> I'll be honest, this is the first machine I've ever bought that has more than 1 hour in ubuntu!
[23:27] <daftykins> on battery life i take it?
[23:27] <hazrpg[laptop]> yeah
[23:27] <daftykins> there were always 2+ implementations of optimus, used to be that the nvidia chip wrote to the intel's framebuffer to display, so mmm
[23:28] <hazrpg[laptop]> my old machine got 1:30 hours when it was new, and as its getting old lasts 30-45 mins.
[23:29] <hazrpg[laptop]> daftykins: I recall using bumblebee on my old one... god that was awful!
[23:29] <daftykins> :>
[23:29] <daftykins> last i'd heard things hadn't improved much, nvidia-prime was easier to run but you had to suffer from tearing so i heard
[23:30] <daftykins> when it comes to laptop battery life i always had a very different experience to others, i always found Linux distros murdered it compared to clean Windows installs
[23:30] <hazrpg[laptop]> made worse that it was the first round of uefi bios and locked down so tight that it couldn't hear me screaming at it
[23:31] <hazrpg[laptop]> still the case now
[23:31] <hazrpg[laptop]> my old laptop got 1:30 hours in ubuntu, but 3 hours in windows
[23:31] <hazrpg[laptop]> this one seems to give me 3 hours in ubuntu, but 3-6 in windows depending on the state
[23:32] <hazrpg[laptop]> I found the latest nvidia drivers seemed to work a treat on my old machine - compared with bumblebee :/
[23:32] <daftykins> hmm could've gotten to the point nvidia-prime was around
[23:33] <hazrpg[laptop]> the only downside was that bumblebee let me select which driver on an application basis (albeit that you had to either write a script that ran optirun first, or change the .desktop file), nvidia requires you to log out and log back in and use one or the other cards in full
[23:34] <hazrpg[laptop]> or maybe I've just need doing it wrong...
[23:42] <daftykins> *boom*
[23:42] <daftykins> g'night anyone left up \o
[23:42] <diddledan> nn