[01:32] <cmaloney> iirc Apple Darwin was always somewhat OSS
[01:32] <cmaloney> it was the pieces like Cocoa and the other stuff that weren't OSS
[01:32] <cmaloney> https://opensource.apple.com/release/developer-tools-821.html
[01:32] <cmaloney> This is all the stuff that was already FLOSS
[18:25] <Scary_Guy> if it was open source was it floss or just foss?  what license do they normally use?
[18:32] <jrwren> Something additional was open sourced beyond what previous bits of Darwin were open source, but I've no idea WHAT those piecees are.
[18:32] <jrwren> Darwin has been open source since it started.
[19:08] <cmaloney> yeah, the kernel was oss
[19:09] <cmaloney> thiugh you'd be hard pressed to make a mac from the f/loss bits of macosx
[19:20] <jrwren> impossible.
[19:20] <jrwren> like you said, none of AppKit is open source.
[19:21] <jrwren> most of the things here: https://developer.apple.com/macos/  aren't open source or open at all.
[19:21] <jrwren> same with the things here: https://developer.apple.com/documentation/
[19:26] <cmaloney> So it's literally open-core, but not open anything else
[19:26] <cmaloney> "Here, here's a stem foryou to play with
[19:26] <cmaloney> "and some seeds"
[19:26] <cmaloney> What aboutthe actual flesh of the apple
[19:27] <cmaloney> "If you even THINK of copying that we will sue you into oblivion"
[19:28] <cmaloney> O>  O<
[19:32] <jrwren> Oh yes, I don't think apple or anyone is claiming anything else.
[19:32] <jrwren> there is a GNU project to recreate parts of appkit. that Next window manager came out of it.
[19:32] <jrwren> http://gnustep.org
[19:33] <cmaloney> Yeah, I remember that
[19:36] <cmaloney> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFSTnZM27Gc
[19:47] <cmaloney> Oh my, there's even Open GEM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TYUsL74ERU