[00:01] <vlt> IhrFussel: I don’t know what a mirroring interval is. Can you explain?
[00:02] <IhrFussel> vlt, I found it: I was talking about the RAID check/resync interval and it can be found in /etc/cron.d/mdadm
[00:03] <vlt> IhrFussel: Thank you.
[00:04] <IhrFussel> Of course the cron file only exists if the machine uses RAID arrays
[00:17] <slimjimflim> this is a friendly reminder that many of your ips are visible. https://freenode.net/kb/answer/cloaks is how to get a cloak
[00:31] <coldasfucc> but muh accountability
[00:31] <IhrFussel> The IP doesn't tell much IMO...you won't get any personal info with that
[00:32] <slimjimflim> IhrFussel: paranoia exists in layers
[00:32] <slimjimflim> it's like an onion
[00:34] <IhrFussel> Paranoid people exist everywhere, true that :P bye guys
[00:53] <Bajorn> Heyo! I'm back
[00:53] <Bajorn> still with that shutdown problem
[00:54] <Bajorn> using acpi=off in /etc/defaults/grub makes the shutdown get stuck
[00:58] <oaulakh> qall of sudden my bluetooth stop working and i duuno why! anyone help
[01:01] <slimjimflim> oaulakh: what was the error message?
[01:07] <oaulakh> it's just not working at all after a restart, means it was working great before, http://paste.ubuntu.com/25650259/
[01:07] <oaulakh> slimjimflim, http://paste.ubuntu.com/25650259/
[01:10] <slimjimflim> oaulakh: can't help you. good to have that paste in chat tho
[01:19] <Damnit__> anyone here?
[01:20] <ObviousTroll> genitals
[01:24] <ObviousTroll> nigggggerrrrrs
[01:30] <Damnit__> is this a joke
[01:31] <ObviousTroll> Damnit__: is what a joke?
[01:31] <blkadder> It's a cry for attention.
[01:31] <ObviousTroll> ubuntu is a joke
[01:31] <ObviousTroll> all hail debian
[01:33] <buggaboosanchez> hi
[02:02] <zautomata> how to make wkhtmltopdf keep href links in the generated pdf?
[02:15] <dedondesta> is there an app that used instead of postfix to send email, but instead of sending them they be saved to filesystem?
[02:19] <Bajorn> No idea man, I'm just here after 8 years of not using linux :^)
[02:31] <dedondesta> Bajorn: welcome back
[02:32] <Bajorn> thanks bud
[02:32] <Bajorn> I came back because I need my laptop to be swift as wind while I work in 20 tabs in firefox and so on :^)
[02:33] <oerheks> lolz
[02:33] <Bajorn> I'm getting a weird Issue with ACPI for all I've been reading
[02:33] <Bajorn> when I turn off my laptop, it restarts
[02:40] <Alsophila> EriC^^:I installed the new version of Ubuntu Studio and finally my 3G module works.
[02:41] <Alsophila> I think maybe there was something wrong with key-rings...
[02:42] <Alsophila> It was when I installed fingerprint that my 3G module stopped working...
[02:57] <roothorick> Is Launchpad down or something go wonky on my network?
[03:02] <Bashing-om> roothorick: Nope, not resolving for me either .
[03:03] <oerheks> no message here https://twitter.com/launchpadstatus?lang=en
[03:16] <TuxFuk> hello i'm trying to download a win98.tar from this post and I need to make an account. The issue is that the server keeps timing out while i'm trying to make my account. any ideas?
[03:17] <TuxFuk> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=817897
[03:17] <vutral> someone knows a really fancy terminal emulator?
[03:17] <vutral> ^^
[03:19] <TuxFuk> i use urxvt
[03:19] <Bashing-om> TuxFuk: Seems launchpad is having problems at this time .
[03:21] <TuxFuk> Bashing-om: darn. thanks for the confirmation
[03:43] <KombuchaKip> Hey everyone. Could someone please help me with an encrypted drive issue? Output and question details here. https://pastebin.com/kjgFsJbq
[03:56] <oaulakh> i am facing problem with bluetooth, after i restart my pc its not working than in purge all bleutooth packages and now when i try to install bluez-utils, it just say package not exist, i did update but still can't find my bluetooth in settings
[04:00] <oaulakh> my ubutnu setting not opening too
[04:01] <Bashing-om> TuxFuk: LP back up .
[04:37] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[04:45] <captain_morgan> using 17.04 I have a couple applications where some keys don't work in text fields. tab, backspace, arrows. KiCAD is the most notable but I've seen it in others
[04:46] <lotuspsychje> captain_morgan: tryed to unplug keyboard/plug back in already?
[04:46] <captain_morgan> laptop
[04:46] <lotuspsychje> kk
[04:47] <lotuspsychje> captain_morgan: can you test the guest account please, if that would work?
[04:52] <captain_morgan> lotuspsychje, yeah, happens in a fresh account
[04:57] <KombuchaKip> Can anyone please help with an encrypted drive issue?
[04:59] <SwedeMike> !ask | KombuchaKip
[04:59] <KombuchaKip> SwedeMike: https://pastebin.com/kjgFsJbq
[05:00] <KombuchaKip> SwedeMike: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2372955
[05:05] <SwedeMike> KombuchaKip: not that I am an expert in this kind of raid, but /dev/mapper/isw_dhcjejadcf_HOME_RAID1_PAIR looks like it should be the raid1 device assembled from sdc and sdd
[05:06] <KombuchaKip> SwedeMike: Yes, that's correct.
[05:06] <SwedeMike> KombuchaKip: so "cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/mapper/isw_dhcjejadcf_HOME_RAID1_PAIR crypthome" should allow you to decrypt it, and re result will be /dev/mapper/crypthome
[05:06] <KombuchaKip> SwedeMike: But it is assembled already.
[05:07] <KombuchaKip> SwedeMike: Device /dev/mapper/isw_dhcjejadcf_HOME_RAID1_PAIR is not a valid LUKS device.
[05:07] <SwedeMike> KombuchaKip: pastebin "lsbkl"
[05:07] <KombuchaKip> SwedeMike: That's also for the entire drive / raid1 array of sd{c,d}
[05:07] <SwedeMike> "lsblk"
[05:07] <SwedeMike> KombuchaKip: yes? isn't that what you want?
[05:08] <KombuchaKip> SwedeMike: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2372955
[05:08] <KombuchaKip> SwedeMike: Yes, I want to be able to decrypt that entire RAID1 array so I can access the partitions inside of it.
[05:09] <KombuchaKip> SwedeMike: But you see from the lsblk output that sd{a,b} show more than c,d
[05:09] <KombuchaKip> SwedeMike: The system basically appears to have no knowledge of what's inside of the second RAID1 array, only that it is one.
[05:11] <SwedeMike> KombuchaKip: right. but it's also that the raid1 size it sees is only 746G instead of the entire 2.7T
[05:11] <KombuchaKip> SwedeMike: Yeah, I always had that problem before even when I could access the partitions inside where the system only saw the first 746 G instead of the 2.7TB. Different issue I presume.
[05:11] <SwedeMike> KombuchaKip: do you have more detail on how that was encrypted? Because there seems to be no luks superblock
[05:12] <KombuchaKip> SwedeMike: Is there any way to probe the disk to see?
[05:12] <SwedeMike> KombuchaKip: well, I guess you could do "hexdump -C /dev/sdc" to see if there is anything there that looks like anything interesting.
[05:13] <KombuchaKip> SwedeMike: Let's give that a try.
[05:13] <KombuchaKip> SwedeMike: What happened was /dev/sdc was dying so I replaced it. The RAID1 seemed to sync, but then the UUID changed for some reason and boot was broken because my /home is mounted on the latter RAID1.
[05:14] <KombuchaKip> SwedeMike: Yeah, first sixteen bytes all zeros.
[05:15] <SwedeMike> KombuchaKip: how was it encrypted? do you have an /etc/crypttab that contains any references to encrypted volumes?
[05:16] <KombuchaKip> SwedeMike: Yes, but only to swap
[05:16] <KombuchaKip> SwedeMike: cryptswap1 UUID=65dfa2a5-5169-4c12-8eee-518449c2d9e4 /dev/urandom swap,offset=1024,cipher=aes-xts-plain64
[05:18] <KombuchaKip> SwedeMike: partprobe showed... /dev/mapper/isw_dhcjejadcf_HOME_RAID1_PAIR: msdos partitions
[05:20] <SwedeMike> KombuchaKip: that's weird because lsblk doesn't show any partitions.
[05:21] <SwedeMike> but the raid on sdc and sdd was set up the same way as in sda/sdb, in bios? because this is that kind of raid, right?
[05:21] <KombuchaKip> SwedeMike: Yeah, it's Intel software raid1.
[05:21] <KombuchaKip> SwedeMike: Performed through bios.
[05:23] <lotuspsychje> captain_morgan: ubuntu up to date to latest?
[05:24] <captain_morgan> yup
[05:24] <SwedeMike> KombuchaKip: ok, I don't know how to proceed. It seems sdc and sdd contains a isw superblock that seems to make sense, but nothing else. How was the encryption set up? It's weird that there is nothing in crypttab, that's typically where luks is configured
[05:25] <KombuchaKip> SwedeMike: What surprises me is that it was working so long without anything in crypttab. But what I had was an entry in /etc/fstab to put the mount point for home from the second RAID1.
[05:26] <KombuchaKip> SwedeMike: I don't recall what I used to encrypt, but I believe it was whatever the suggested Ubuntu method was, such as dm-crypt
[05:29] <SwedeMike> KombuchaKip: what's the corresponding fstab line for /home ?
[05:29] <KombuchaKip> SwedeMike: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2372955&p=13692457#post13692457
[05:29] <KombuchaKip> SwedeMike: I just added the output there for the old /etc/fstab and /etc/crypttab
[05:31] <KombuchaKip> SwedeMike: Come to think of it, I have access to /dev/sd{a,b} which is the system partition which has the boot logs in /var/log which may give you what you need.
[05:31] <lotuspsychje> captain_morgan: how about removing keyboard layoyt, and re-add?
[05:33] <captain_morgan> what sort of package would I be looking for? Cannot think of anything like that off hand
[05:33] <lotuspsychje> captain_morgan: the language settings/keyboard can do that for you
[05:35] <SwedeMike> KombuchaKip: can you please add output from "blkid" ?
[05:36] <KombuchaKip> SwedeMike: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2372955&p=13692457#post13692457
[05:36] <captain_morgan> huzzah! runnign Input Method (which render very garbled) and setting user configuration fixed it
[05:37] <captain_morgan> this has been getting terribly in the way, having to use the mouse way more than usual
[05:37] <SwedeMike> KombuchaKip: I'm out of ideas. It seems sdc and sdd doesn't contain anything reasonable, so it sounds like something went wrong either before or during your drive replacement.
[05:38] <SwedeMike> KombuchaKip: are you sure /home was really encrypted?
[05:38] <KombuchaKip> SwedeMike: Wait, I think I have something I found in /var/log/installer about how the partitions were setup.
[05:41] <KombuchaKip> SwedeMike: /var/log/installer/partman: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25651444/
[05:44] <SwedeMike> KombuchaKip: that seems to indicarte that /home was not encrypted?
[05:44] <SwedeMike> indicate
[05:45] <SwedeMike> "parted_server: OUT: 11048576-801567145983801566097408primaryext4/dev/mapper/isw_eabehgedbj_HOME_RAID1_PAIR1Home"
[05:45] <KombuchaKip> SwedeMike: Maybe I encrypted it later, but even if that was the case, I should at least still see a partition there.
[05:45] <SwedeMike> KombuchaKip: if you look on line 19497 http://paste.ubuntu.com/25651444/ then you have first and last block of the partition there
[05:46] <SwedeMike> KombuchaKip: so you could try to recreate that partition table
[05:47] <KombuchaKip> SwedeMike: I think what I'm going to do at this point is exercise the nuclear option, remove all the drives, except one, re-install everything on a single drive with no funny raid, lvm, dm-crypt, and just an encrypted home directory and that's it. I at least have everything backed up.
[05:47] <lotuspsychje> !yay | captain_morgan
[05:48] <SwedeMike> KombuchaKip: you could try to find the ext4 superblock by using the method in https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/33284/recovering-ext4-superblocks using losetup
[05:48] <SwedeMike> KombuchaKip: but yes, if you have backup that might be the easiest way to just restore from backup
[05:49] <KombuchaKip> SwedeMike: Thanks anyways for your help, Mike.
[05:50] <SwedeMike> KombuchaKip: good lyck!
[05:50] <SwedeMike> luck
[05:50] <KombuchaKip> SwedeMike: Oh fuck
[05:51] <KombuchaKip> SwedeMike: I think I know what happened. When I added the new drive, they sync'd, but from the new one over the old one, e.g. all zerod.
[05:51] <KombuchaKip> SwedeMike: Stupid fucking intel fake raid. When you first boot it should have asked when it sees the array was degraded and you put a new drive in there.
[05:52] <SwedeMike> KombuchaKip: yes, that's a plausible theory.
[05:52] <KombuchaKip> SwedeMike: Yeah, testdisk is finding nothing in the array. No boot sector, partitions, or anything. A hex dump shows all zeros for the first 10MB I looked at.
[05:52] <lotuspsychje> KombuchaKip: plz keep it polite in this channel
[05:52] <SwedeMike> KombuchaKip: ok, then I think you're right, that's what happened.
[05:53] <KombuchaKip> SwedeMike: Thanks buddy. Ok, time for nuclear option. Thanks for your help.
[05:53] <logan0405> Anyone know why apt-get hangs on [0% Working] for some time? I fixed it before but now I forget how. It eventually loads but takes ~5-10 sec. Doesn't happen on linux mint
[05:53] <lotuspsychje> logan0405: ubuntu version?
[05:54] <logan0405> how do i get version
[05:54] <logan0405> 17.04
[05:56] <logan0405> any way to see what it's hanging on? can't find anything to increase verbosity of apt-get
[06:09] <captain_morgan> oh... it's not actually working...
[06:09] <captain_morgan> but I can get it to
[06:11] <captain_morgan> for example, if tab doesn't work, then I hit alt (bringing up that "Type your command" bar) the focus in the previous dialog moves as if I'd hit tab
[06:11] <captain_morgan> then it continues to work until it just randomly stops
[06:21] <lotuspsychje> logan0405: did you try apt update yet?
[06:21] <logan0405> yeah
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> what kind of error you get on it?
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> logan0405: perhaps its your country erpo not functioning well today?
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> repo
[06:24] <lotuspsychje> logan0405: you can check known errors on repos in #ubuntu-mirrors
[06:31] <Emmanuel_Chanel> Hello! Someone can help me for set-up of a WLAN router on Ubuntu 16.04?
[06:32] <Emmanuel_Chanel> I have a USB3 WLAN adaptor. The PC recognize it but it doesn't work.
[06:49] <logan0405> i was able to fix the problem by editing resolv.conf
[06:49] <logan0405> was nameserver 127.0.0.1 changed to nameserver 8.8.8.8
[06:49] <ikonia> wrong answer
[06:50] <ikonia> as that will get overwritten
[06:50] <logan0405> good to know
[06:50] <logan0405> wonder why 127.0.0.1 was causing apt to hang?
[06:50] <ikonia> because it's pointing at a local dns server that either a.) wasn't running b.) didn't have anywhere to forward to
[06:50] <ikonia> so it was hanging while it was waiting for the DNS time out
[06:51] <logan0405> is it weird for it to point to 127.0.0.1 ? it's just a default ubuntu install
[06:51] <ikonia> that is the correct default config
[06:52] <logan0405> so it runs a dns server on my local machine by default?
[06:52] <ikonia> it runs dnsmasq
[06:52] <logan0405> so there must have been a problem there then right
[06:54] <logan0405> ikonia, any further advice to troubleshoot? i can just edit it every reboot to 8.8.8.8 if worst comes to worse
[06:54] <ikonia> logan0405: look at the dnsmasq config and see what it's forwarding
[06:54] <ikonia> logan0405: I assume this is a standard ubuntu desktop install with the network being controlled/configured with network manager ?
[06:55] <logan0405> yeah. dnsmasq.conf is just all commented out
[06:56] <ikonia> logan0405: thats not the config
[06:56] <ikonia> (thats part of it)
[06:56] <logan0405> where can i find the config?
[06:56] <ikonia> dont rush in - look at how ubuntu uses dnsmasq and how it's controlled via network manager
[06:56] <ikonia> before looking at config files and potentially making changes
[06:57] <logan0405> any simple way you can tell me so 8.8.8.8 will stick? i have something i have to do for the next few days
[06:59] <ikonia> logan0405: there is a page on the wiki that shows how libresolv works on ubuntu and how it's tied into network manager
[07:01] <logan0405> found a simple way.
[07:01] <logan0405> just add 8.8.8.8 in additional DNS servers in edit connections
[07:03] <ikonia> excellent
[07:03] <logan0405> appears to be working with that, but will look more into networkmanager dns wiki pages and all that if i have to
[07:03] <logan0405> thanks.
[07:03] <logan0405> would have just left it in resolv.conf if you didn't tell me hahha
[07:04] <ikonia> nice work
[07:23] <turboniggger> i like cheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeese
[07:39] <jatt> geeez, 🙉
[08:14] <FManTropyx> I am a little afraid of rsync
[08:26] <lesshaste> I have a pdf with a transparent background. How can I make the background opaque?
[10:09] <cristian_c> lesshaste: have ypu tried by xournal?
[10:09] <lesshaste> cristian_c, no! Tell me more please
[10:11] <slyrobot> I am on Ubuntu 17.04 zesty. And I have run into sum serious trouble with my pacakge manager.
[10:11] <slyrobot> *some
[10:12] <slyrobot> I can't seem to install anything using apt-get. Please help.
[10:13] <cristian_c> lesshaste: do you want just displaying opaque background?
[10:13] <cristian_c> or just saving it into pdf?
[10:13] <cristian_c> *or even
[10:13] <lesshaste> cristian_c, I want to equivalent of convert -flatten pic.pdf pic.pdf
[10:13] <lesshaste> the equivalent
[10:14] <Tin_man> slyrobot, what have you tried to do so far?
[10:15] <slyrobot> Tin_man: I have tried xrdp, filezilla.
[10:15] <cristian_c> lesshaste: have you <lready tried a pdf editor?
[10:15] <lesshaste> inkscape couldn't cope
[10:15] <cristian_c> ?
[10:15] <lesshaste> it doesn't read in the pdf properlty
[10:16] <cristian_c> lesshaste: have you <already tried a pdf editor?
[10:16] <Tin_man> sly try these commands one at a time:  sudo apt-get clean, sudo apt-get update, sudo apt-get -f install
[10:16] <Tin_man> slyrobot,
[10:16] <slyrobot> Tin_man: Gotcha. trying.
[10:17] <lesshaste> cristian_c, what pdf editor is there except inkscape?
[10:17] <cristian_c> lesshaste: inkscape is not a pdf editor
[10:17] <lesshaste> ok so .. what pdf editor is there?
[10:18] <cristian_c> inkscape is a vector graphics editor
[10:18] <slyrobot> Tin_man: No luck.
[10:18] <lesshaste> cristian_c, it can also edit pdf files
[10:18] <cristian_c> !search pdf
[10:18] <lesshaste> but not that well
[10:18] <lesshaste> cristian_c, acrobat pdf editor is not free in any sense
[10:19] <cristian_c> !info pdftk
[10:19] <slyrobot> Tin_man: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25652646/ This is what was generated/
[10:20] <lesshaste> cristian_c,  https://www.pdflabs.com/docs/pdftk-man-page/#dest-output-flatten ? that might work
[10:21] <Tin_man> did it finish, or is it still spitting out info?
[10:21] <slyrobot> It finished with lot of errors.
[10:22] <slyrobot> Tin_man: I also tried installing those packages and they din
[10:22] <slyrobot> *din't install.
[10:23] <Tin_man> what error do you get when trying to use apt-get?
[10:23] <slyrobot> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25652646/
[10:23] <slyrobot> Tin_man: ^
[10:23] <Tin_man> k
[10:24] <Tin_man> slyrobot, is this a new install or have you had it for awhile?
[10:25] <slyrobot> A new install. However I added google-chrome to the sources.list
[10:25] <slyrobot> https://repogen.simplylinux.ch/ Tin_man I used this.
[10:27] <Tin_man> might try a few more web findings, but if it keeps failing, might be better off just doing a complete reinstall, and start fresh.
[10:27] <slyrobot> Tin_man: Thanks.
[10:28] <slyrobot> Tin_man: Is there a way in which i can completely reset my ap
[10:28] <slyrobot> *apt.
[10:28] <Tin_man> looking now..
[10:29] <slyrobot> Tin_man: Much appreciated.
[10:30] <cristian_c> lesshaste: uncompress ypur pdf by pdftk. Then, make ypur changes and finally compress it again
[10:30] <cristian_c> *ypur
[10:33] <Tin_man> slyrobot, try this link, and see if it helps >>> https://askubuntu.com/questions/124017/how-do-i-restore-the-default-repositories
[10:34] <slyrobot> Tin_man: Conincidently I was looking at the same thread. Thanks M8.
[10:35] <Tin_man> sounds like your on the right track.. good luck..
[10:40] <Tin_man> might run into a little translation problem if your using Kubuntu. can't remember what the
[10:40] <Tin_man> difference is with the software sources looks like
[10:40] <Tin_man> in*
[10:41] <Tin_man> can't type, to early.
[12:01] <zautomata> is there a way to wkhtmlpdf to export external html links into pdfs?
[12:14] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[12:21] <FManTropyx> I am a little afraid to updgaer
[12:22] <FManTropyx> Ubuntu wants to upgrade 145 packages and install 4 new ones
[12:26] <lotuspsychje> FManTropyx: why affraid, upgrading is a good thing
[12:27] <FManTropyx> what if things break?
[12:27] <lotuspsychje> FManTropyx: what if you dont update & break things?
[12:37] <hazrpg[laptop]> hey all
[12:38] <hazrpg[laptop]> just wondering, but has anyone recently got a 128GB (SSD) + 1TB (HDD) laptop? And if you have, what kind of configuration have you guys done for dual-booting? I'm currently doing a ddrescue of the 128GB because it has all the factory settings on it. But I want to clean install Win10 and Ubuntu.
[12:43] <histo> hazrpg[laptop]: put /boot and / on your 128gb and /home on your 1tb
[12:44] <histo> hazrpg[laptop]: or easiier yet / on 128gb and /home on the 1tb
[12:44] <histo> hazrpg[laptop]: I however operate on a 64gb ssd with no issues, so probably not the best to ask.
[12:46] <hazrpg[laptop]> histo: That was my idea / and possibly /boot on the 128gb ssd, and /home on the 1tb. But its been soooooo long since I've used windows for anything that I don't know what to set up for that - can it even run in a small space?
[12:47] <hazrpg[laptop]> histo: I was also going to do /opt onto the 1tb too (but not as a partition, I tend to just mount it into /home/opt)
[12:48] <frostschutz> hazrpg[laptop], depends what you want to use SSD performance for. linux? windows? both? and how much space you really need... I use / and /home on SSD and HDD just for media files.
[12:51] <skinux> How do I mount Windows 10 partition? It's not showing in file browser
[12:51] <hazrpg[laptop]> frostschutz: ubuntu is always my go-to OS, I do all my work there (web dev). So I was thinking of treating the SSD as the boot place and the HDD as storage. I'd only ever go into Windows for games (if I ever get a moment to do so!)
[12:52] <lotuspsychje> !mount | skinux
[12:54] <skinux> Nevermind. I found it, it's just not called Windows
[12:55] <hazrpg[laptop]> frostschutz: I know this sort of thing is usually a personal choice, and in the past I've always done (because I only had 1TB) was 100GB for /, 800GB for /home and the rest for windows. But over time I noticed I'm not actually using the full 100GB
[12:55] <hazrpg[laptop]> for / I mean
[12:57] <frostschutz> hazrpg[laptop], put everything you want to be fast on SSD, that usually includes your /home. Put the clunky stuff on HDD (movies etc. do not benefit at all from SSD)
[12:57] <frostschutz> if you use LVM you can change sizes any time
[12:58] <frostschutz> windows is fine on hdd if you rarely ever use it
[12:59] <hazrpg[laptop]> frostschutz: so essentially 50/50 split the SSD might be the best way? And then say symlink /home/me/projects on the hdd (since all my git repos are on there, and currently take up 500GB)
[13:00] <hazrpg[laptop]> frostschutz: Could you walk me through LVM, even just a general overview - that's something I've never touched but keep meaning to look into
[13:00] <frostschutz> 500GB in git is quite a lot... :-) no choice then
[13:01] <hazrpg[laptop]> frostschutz: heh, its not all 1 repo! I've got roughtly 40 clients - the images are the main killer
[13:01] <frostschutz> hazrpg[laptop], not sure how to walk you through that... basically it allows resizing partitions without moving data. there should be several linux wiki explaining it.
[13:01] <hazrpg[laptop]> (again not in the repos, images are usually just in the client folder)
[13:03] <hazrpg[laptop]> frostschutz: fair enough, I'll do a bit of research. :) Do you know if LVM supports NTFS filesystems, or purely just ext2/3/4?
[13:03] <frostschutz> hazrpg[laptop], LVM doesn't care about the filesystem, but Windows doesn't support LVM so ...
[13:04] <hazrpg[laptop]> frostschutz: ah, so if I was to add in some NTFS filesystems with LVM on the HDD, it won't see it then...?
[13:04] <frostschutz> windows won't like it, yea
[13:06] <hazrpg[laptop]> frostschutz: shame... I noticed that it had storage spaces when I was digging around the settings to see what was new, was kinda hoping it was LVM
[13:08] <hazrpg[laptop]> I think its a bummer that windows and linux still haven't gotten along and finally ditched the NTFS filesystem
[13:11] <ewook> hazrpg[laptop]: How did you make that connection?
[13:16] <hazrpg[laptop]> ewook: heh, the concepts sounded similar - honestly, haven't touched windows in so long
[13:18] <ewook> hazrpg[laptop]: Like all things legacy, it's hard to just ditch something. MS has tried, and failed and ditched plans for "winFS" (as far as I know). *nix in general tolerates ntfs - to some extent. But have you seriously seen a dist or deviation based with full compatibilty with ntfs?
[13:19] <ewook> as in "here, use ntfs it rocks".
[13:25] <akik> ntfs works fine in ubuntu or am i missing something?
[13:26] <frostschutz> akik, fine as in, it mounts, and hopefully doesn't corrupt, and performance doesn't matter too much. it's something
[13:26] <frostschutz> works a lot better than mtp anyhow
[13:26] <frostschutz> but that doesn't work in windows either
[13:27] <akik> i've run a vm on a ntfs mounted usb disk and it was fine
[13:28] <akik> i think ntfs-3g doesn't even warn you when mounting a ntfs partition read/write
[13:28] <cristian_c> hello
[13:28] <cristian_c> I've ite 9135 dvb chip (with remote control), it uses dvb-afatech9035 driver, and i've typed sudo ir-keytable
[13:29] <cristian_c> ir-keytable and evtest perform successfully keypresses on the remote control. Unfortunately, enabled protocol field is empty and if I try to configure shortcuts in kaffeine, many keys don't work
[13:29] <cristian_c> I've tried to modprobe some nec modules, because the remote control support the nec protocol, but I don't know how to solve the issue
[13:29] <cristian_c> any ideas?
[13:56] <billygoat> Is there a way to only use the touchpad for gestures? I currently don't use the touchpad at all so its disabled, but I would like to be able to do a one finger swipe to swap workspaces, but I can't seem to find in synaptics where I can swap 1 finger POINTER_MOTION to 1 finger GESTURE. Any push in the right direction?
[14:21] <Bendr> hello
[14:21] <Bendr> where can i find my C program core dumps? i can't find them in the current directory
[14:24] <doug16k> https://stackoverflow.com/a/18368068/1127972
[14:39] <swift110> hey all
[14:40] <hfp> Hi all, unless I'm mistaken, I remember Ubuntu 17.04 doing seemless transitions between a wired and a wireless connection. i.e. I am currently on WiFi but plug the ethernet cable in, all my downloads etc continue over the wire and both interfaces get the same IP. But for a little while now, wired and wireless get different IPs, and my transfers are interrupted. Is there anything I need to do on the laptop to
[14:40] <hfp> fix it or is it a router issue?
[14:41] <swift110> hey hfp
[14:42] <hfp> hi swift110
[14:45] <quadruple> Hi, I need help with a OpenCL/OpenGL application on a headless ubuntu 16.04 server. I can get an output of glxgears using VirtualGL but the application I want to run gives me a -5 error (CL_OUT_OF_RESOURCES). Is this more likely an issue related to the application or to the installation of the drivers?
[14:46] <JonelethIrenicus> what is the iconv library?
[14:47] <cristian_c> the server has disconnected me
[14:47] <cristian_c> has anyone answered to me?
[14:49] <doug16k> cristian_c, I don't see any
[14:51] <swift110> how are you hfp
[15:00] <Gaming4JC> Are there any MMOGs for Ubuntu anymore? Seems most of the multiplayer scene died off :o
[15:00] <swift110> how are you hfp
[15:05] <Toadisattva> I want linux multiplayer games!
[15:05] <Toadisattva> preferably not fantasy based though, sci-fi worlds would be ideal :)
[15:07] <cristian_c> doug16k: ok, then I post it again
[15:08] <cristian_c> I've a ite 9135 dvb chip (with remote control), it uses dvb-afatech9035 driver, and i've typed sudo ir-keytable; ir-keytable and evtest perform successfully keypresses on the remote control. Unfortunately, enabled protocol field is empty and if I try to configure shortcuts in kaffeine, many keys don't work
[15:09] <cristian_c> I've tried to modprobe some nec modules, because the remote control support the nec protocol, but I don't know how to solve the issue
[15:09] <cristian_c> Any ideas?
[15:14] <slimjimflim> Toadisattva: install steam
[15:14] <slimjimflim> or assaultcube
[15:18] <Toadisattva> I have a love hate relationship with steam, name I love to hate on it :P
[15:18] <Toadisattva> namely*
[15:18] <slimjimflim> well it works natively on liux now
[15:19] <slimjimflim> *linux
[15:19] <slimjimflim> my favorite is counterstrike source. haven't played it in a while
[15:19] <Gaming4JC> I don't like steam much either, feels so bloated... and it uses lots of bandwith
[15:21] <Toadisattva> it's fairly limited on what games it will run on linux isn't it?
[15:21] <Toadisattva> I recall having to run the windows version in wine last time I was using it to play with friends
[15:21] <slimjimflim> i wanna say about half run on linux last i checked Toadisattva probably more now
[15:22] <Toadisattva> oh so they are making progress on it
[15:22] <Toadisattva> that's good to hear
[15:22] <slimjimflim> Toadisattva: you don't need wine anymore
[15:22] <slimjimflim> they have their own desktop environment
[15:22] <Toadisattva> I know there is a linux version
[15:22] <Toadisattva> but I couldn't play my age of empires 2 with my friends on it for example
[15:22] <slimjimflim> it's pretty stable
[15:22] <Toadisattva> so I was forced to use the windows version in wine to play with em
[15:23] <slimjimflim> idk about aoe
[15:23] <Toadisattva> just one example, it was maybe a year or two ago, but the linux gaming selection at the time was pretty limitied
[15:24] <quadruple> anyone here who has experiences with OpenCL?
[15:24] <Toadisattva> I know the various gpu manufacturers are starting to offer linux specific drivers and that's good to see
[15:24] <Toadisattva> once they finally open up linux gaming we can let windoze die forever
[15:24] <Toadisattva> :P
[15:25] <Gaming4JC> RIP Windows :)
[15:26] <slimjimflim> windows died when androidos was released
[15:27] <slimjimflim> now we'll have to wait for android to die
[15:27] <Toadisattva> you can't play fallout 4 on android ***yet***
[15:27] <Toadisattva> hehe
[15:28] <slimjimflim> valid point
[15:37] <Bendr> i changed the core dumps path in core_pattern but i found no core dump files there
[15:37] <Bendr> doug16k
[15:40] <fernie> hi, seems that unredirecting fullscreen windows does not work in 17.10
[16:06] <scatterp> hi i have something running connecting to 127.0.0.1:4199 i see it in netstat -an how can i identify what it is thats runing pid and name ?
[16:08] <Gaming4JC> scatterp: try "netstat -peanut"
[16:08] <Gaming4JC> or... "sudo lsof -i:4199"
[16:19] <glacial> hello, gentlemen.
[16:19] <glacial> how can i completely disable automatic updates in Ubuntu Xenial 16.04.3 LTS?
[16:19] <glacial> how to completely disable all actions which Ubuntu takes in anticipation of system update?
[16:19] <glacial> i am especially annoyed because of automatic attempts of package database update.
[16:19] <glacial> when i truncate /etc/apt/sources.list to zero, Ubuntu still tries to update package database, which obviously results in failure (because there are no sources), and after this information about available updates reset to nothing (i.e. ``apt-get upgrade --no-download'' will show "no packages can be updated")
[16:20] <Toadisattva> I know for specific programs you can lock version in synaptic but I don't know for the OS itself, maybe there is an option there?
[16:23] <glacial> i mean, how can i completely disable all HIDDEN, INVISIBLE background behavior related to updates?
[16:23] <glacial> after that i will update everything only using explicit apt-get commands
[16:24] <jerichowasahoax> glacial: why are you so allergic to automatic package database updates
[16:24] <glacial> because i am on mobile internet
[16:24] <Gaming4JC> glacial: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/02/how-to-disable-automatic-update-ubuntu
[16:25] <glacial> will read this page
[16:32] <glacial> nothing new.  i already had "never" as value of "automatically check for updates" setting
[16:45] <smallfoot-> Help, Firefox is old version!! outdated!
[16:51] <cristian_c> smallfoot-: ?
[16:51] <madmangun> @smallfoot - http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/08/download-firefox-57-nightly
[16:55] <cristian_c> Bashing-om: hi
[16:55] <Bashing-om> cristian_c: Hey hey .
[16:56] <cristian_c> Bashing-om: I've made some measures by two tempersture probes, yesterday
[16:57] <cristian_c> connected to ide plugs
[16:58] <Bashing-om> cristian_c: And able to read out ?
[16:59] <cristian_c> Bashing-om: yeah, the mini-displays turned on when I've turned on the pc
[17:00] <Bashing-om> cristian_c: :) some kind of smarts in your part .
[17:00] <cristian_c> Bashing-om: unfortunateky, measures are not helpful, they range from 29 to 39 celcius
[17:02] <Bashing-om> cristian_c: corealiss effects ? fans effects ?
[17:02] <cristian_c> Bashing-om: I've noticed fan accelerates when temperature in hwinfo raises up to 81-85 and over celcius
[17:04] <Bashing-om> cristian_c: This a laptop ? they tend to run hot as norm .
[17:05] <cristian_c> Bashing-om: I can say that a temperature of 38 on temp sensor probe matches 85-temperature on hwinfo, about
[17:06] <cristian_c> Bashing-om: no, I've connected the probes into the case, using the two ide connectors left
[17:06] <Bashing-om> cristian_c: cat /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/temp .
[17:07] <cristian_c> Bashing-om: the probes hav3 a mini dispkay , so they don't communicate with the os, and they show the vslue on the display
[17:07] <cristian_c> Bashing-om: btw, I'll try your command on 17.04
[17:08] <cristian_c> for showing the temp caputred by cpu sensor
[17:09] <cristian_c> Bashing-om: when the display shows 32 celcius, hwinfo shows about 65-69 for cpu package
[17:10] <Bashing-om> cristian_c: I would think conversion factors .
[17:10] <dekatch> perhaps they reading it differntly
[17:11] <dekatch> if your cpu is under load, id assume 65-69 is the correct one
[17:11] <dekatch> 32 celsius is basically an idle temperatur if your system runs cooler fans.
[17:11] <cristian_c> summarizing: even if I notice that if temps measured with probes raise when temp measured by hwinfo software raise, temperatures measured by the probes are not reliable, because the probe is put next to the heatsink  and the heatspreader
[17:13] <cristian_c> Bashing-om: it's notmal that temp probes measure a lower tempersture than software does, because probe is not diectly put between heatsink and cpu
[17:13] <cristian_c> where it's the real temp of the cpu
[17:14] <dekatch> just googled. 32 celsius would be 90 fahrenheit. so its not a conversion issue
[17:14] <cristian_c> dekatch: the max value on the probe was 38-38.5
[17:14] <dekatch> so both values should be celsius
[17:15] <cristian_c> no, I've put a second probe into the case, in the free air
[17:15] <dekatch> oh i may have totally misunderstood the issue
[17:16] <cristian_c> and it measures only some values below the first probe (that was put next the cpu, touchin the side of heatspreader
[17:16] <dekatch> you put a sensor somewhere and you try to read from it?
[17:16] <cristian_c> dekatch: np
[17:17] <cristian_c> dekatch: I've put a stand-alone (not connected to os) in order to compare temperatures with ones measured by s0ftware
[17:17] <cristian_c> *software
[17:17] <cristian_c> but they are not very comparable
[17:17] <cristian_c> *stand-alone sensor
[17:18] <dekatch> nah ofc not. sry shouldnt have intervened.
[17:19] <dekatch> but as i understand it, you try to measure temperatur from your cpu with an probe/sensor put somewhere near to it?
[17:19] <dekatch> doesnt work.
[17:19] <cristian_c> dekatch: https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1RbbZOpXXXXaKXFXXq6xXFXXXX/1-Meter-Metal-Probe-Thermometer-Temperature-Digital-Display-Sensor-Module-For-Computer-Air-Conditioner-Water-Measurement.jpg
[17:20] <cristian_c> the first pic I've found on google
[17:20] <dekatch> yea, and that thingie floats in your case
[17:20] <cristian_c> yeah
[17:20] <cristian_c> I've made measures with open case
[17:20] <dekatch> its measuring at best case airflow temperature
[17:20] <dekatch> but can never measure cpu temp
[17:21] <cristian_c> I've two probes, one measured the airflow, another is put touching the hestspreader
[17:21] <dekatch> not accurate as well
[17:21] <cristian_c> (not over the heatspreader, but aside)
[17:21] <cristian_c> dekatch: I know
[17:21] <dekatch> the heatspreader has less temperature than the cpu itself
[17:22] <cristian_c> yeah, snd it explains because the probe measures a temp lower of 30 celcius than software
[17:22] <cristian_c> *why
[17:23] <cristian_c> but it gives an odea of tempersture inside the case, when the fan rotates at high speed
[17:23] <dekatch> well, thats kinda odd. i wouldnt call it "software measuring"
[17:23] <dekatch> since you need software as well to read from your probes
[17:24] <dekatch> but i assume hwinfo reads from mainboard integrated probes
[17:24] <cristian_c> I'll try the Bashing-om command, in order to see what value I'll get from /sys
[17:25] <smallfoot-> Help, Firefox is old version!! outdated!
[17:25] <cristian_c> dekatch: sorry, I mean that probe read the temp and send it directly to the mini-display
[17:25] <dekatch> didnt bother to much with that. but your probes can never measure real cpu temp
[17:25] <smallfoot-> ubuntu have old firefox 55
[17:25] <smallfoot-> windows have firefox 56
[17:25] <cristian_c> dekatch: ok, Bashing-om suggested me to try a couple of probes, btw
[17:26] <dekatch> cristian_c, so thats basically just sufficent for airflow temp at all then
[17:26] <cristian_c> yeah
[17:26] <cristian_c> but, remember that csse was open when I did the measure
[17:26] <cristian_c> with probes
[17:26] <dekatch> uh, feel like i missed something. didnt you try to compare cpu temps?
[17:26] <dekatch> lol sry for my nonsense if that wasnt the case
[17:27] <cristian_c> and it was outside of its location, at that moment
[17:27] <cristian_c> np
[17:27] <cristian_c> dekatch: I've also made some screenshots of hwinfo, while measuring
[17:28] <cristian_c> (I've to say that hwmon is buggy regarding my cpu and my it6820e mobo chip
[17:28] <cristian_c> )
[17:29] <cristian_c> so, linux doesn't detect real temperatures
[17:30] <cristian_c> amd developers should hire one dev in order to fix bugs for kaveri, and fam15th platform
[17:30] <cristian_c> *amd should
[17:31] <cristian_c> (about it87 driver)
[17:32] <cristian_c> zenguy-: hi
[17:32] <cristian_c> I remember you stsyed in android channels, in psst, but I'm wrong maybe
[17:33] <twinflyer> Hey guys, I recently moved from Arch back to ubuntu because I had problems with unreal engine on Arch. Now I have a new problem on ubuntu: Every time i start the game (editor itself works just fine) X freezes and theres no log about it (X log, sys log and dmesg seem to stop) I can move my mouse though. Any hints where I should check for details?
[17:33] <twinflyer> I'm on 16.04
[17:36] <cristian_c> twinflyer: in past, I tried netconsole for these particular cases, but it did registered nothing
[17:37] <twinflyer> cristian_c: I can ssh into the machine to read the logs. I checked I checked X log, syslog and dmesg but I cant find anything which indicates some sort of crash / error.
[17:38] <cristian_c> twinflyer: you could try to use ldd command with the unreal editor executsble, in order to figure out what libraries are to blame
[17:42] <twinflyer> cristian_c: theres a ton of libs required. I'm not totally sure what I should do with that information though
[17:43] <cristian_c> twinflyer: if a X freezes happen it could be a graphics library somewhat
[17:44] <cristian_c> twinflyer: what video drivers are you using?
[17:45] <twinflyer> cristian_c: since I'm using an amd R9 390 I have to use amdgpu.
[17:46] <twinflyer> cristian_c: afaik radeon doesn't support the R9 390 anymore. I loaded it just for testing purposes and the problem persists
[17:47] <cristian_c> twinflyer: I'm not sure if r9 390 supports amdgpu-pro in placemof amdgpu radeonSI
[17:49] <Bashing-om> twinflyer: per: http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/AMD-Radeon-GPU-PRO-Linux-Beta-Driver%E2%80%93Release-Notes.aspx you can use the  AMDGPU-Pro Driver  :)
[17:49] <twinflyer> cristian_c: according to amd the 390 is supported. I didn't try the propietary amdgpu-pro yet but it might be worth giving it a try
[17:50] <cristian_c> http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/AMD-Radeon-GPU-PRO-Linux-Beta-Driver%E2%80%93Release-Notes.aspx
[17:51] <twinflyer> Bashing-om, cristian_c: thank you, I give amdgpu-pro a shot right away
[17:51] <cristian_c> AMD Radeon™ R9 390 Graphics is listed under AMD Product Family Compatibility  table​
[17:52] <cristian_c> twinflyer: 16.04.3?
[17:52] <twinflyer> cristian_c: yes
[17:53] <cristian_c> twinflyer: have you installed the relase point stack with support for newer kernels and xorg
[17:53] <cristian_c> ?
[17:53] <cristian_c> *point release package
[17:54] <twinflyer> cristian_c: I installed the system yesterday and updated everything right away. What package do you mean?
[17:56] <Bashing-om> cristian_c: twinflyer:: If a ferh install of 16,04.3 then HWE is enabled by default :)
[17:56] <Bashing-om> fresh*
[17:57] <cristian_c> ah, ok
[17:57] <cristian_c>  	
[17:57] <cristian_c> sudo apt install --install-recommends xserver-xorg-hwe-16.04
[17:58] <Bashing-om> twinflyer: "sysop@x1604:~$ uname -r >> 4.4.0-96-generic " You should have the HWE kernel 4.10 ???
[18:00] <twinflyer> Bashing-om: yes I'm on 4.10
[18:00] <cristian_c> Bashing-om: I'm fiddling with ite 9135 dvb usb chip, thst uses af9035 driver
[18:00] <cristian_c> Bashing-om: the tuner works, and I'm trying to configure the remote control
[18:01] <cristian_c> I mean: evtest and ir-keytables show keypresses of all the keys on the remote
[18:02] <Bashing-om> cristian_c: Now ya way out of my experience range . No idea of that configuration .
[18:02] <cristian_c> Bashing-om: oh, sorry
[18:02] <cristian_c> np
[18:04] <Toba> OK, having a weird Unity issue.. I'm running 16.04.3 LTS (xenial)
[18:05] <Toba> I've plugged in an external 4k monitor and adjusted the panel/menu scaling to make it workble
[18:06] <Toba> but since a 4k monitor is very large, looking at things maximized is less useful than it would be on a smaller/lower res monitor. So I unmaximized my already running apps
[18:06] <Toba> and now I ... can't find them. I alt-tab to them, but they don't show.
[18:06] <Toba> Of course, my overall set of displays in the 'configure displays' dialog is not a rectangle... I have the smaller laptop lower and to the left as it's on the desk next to the monitor, to my left.
[18:07] <Toba> I suspect the windows are "located" in some kind of fake area of the coordinate space and as such don't show
[18:07] <Toba> is there some kind of trick to move everything within the space that actually corresponds to real pixels?
[18:08] <madmangun> alt+spacebar does that help?
[18:09] <Toba> aha
[18:09] <Toba> and then i can select 'move' and use the kb to bring it in view
[18:09] <Toba> thanks.. that works
[18:09] <madmangun> yep :)
[18:09] <madmangun> no problem Toba
[18:10] <Toba> I just hope this doesn't become a thing I have to do every time i dock/undock my laptop at my desk...
[18:10] <Toba> that'd be irritating
[18:10] <Bashing-om> Toba: Have you seen: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/HiDPI ?
[18:10] <Toba> I will read that, thanks for the tip.
[18:31] <marahin> Hello! I'm working on Ubuntu 17.04 with triple monitor setup, used with Xinerama "1" setting. My question is: is there a way to customize window grid (instead of LEFT HALF, RIGHT HALF, where the X server interprets 3 screens as 1 virutal screen, meaning half = one and a half screen)
[18:31] <marahin> so I could actually set the windows to take 33% part of the screen? So left, middle and right monitor?
[18:31] <marahin> this works great without the Xinerama setting, but I kinda need it for games.
[18:36] <marahin> it's kinda → http://wiki.compiz.org/Plugins/Grid in Ideas section (the first one), but maybe somoene has stomped upon a solution?
[18:45] <dekatch> you could also try ##linux marahin
[18:46] <dekatch> not sure, you are only connected to ubuntu. maybe some there have had same issues
[18:47] <KallDrexx> Hi all.  I am trying to ensure that the vfio and pci_stub modules are loaded *before* the amdgpu module is loaded (so the amdgpu driver doesn't claim my 2nd gpu).  I did this by blacklisting amdgpu and adding it to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules, and then updated my initramfs.  However, when I boot up amdgpu is never loaded.  If I manually modprobe amdgpu everything work perfectly but is there some way to make it auto-load amdgpu?
[18:50] <renlo> this is probably a stupid question but, I have Ubuntu 16.04, I've downloaded FF developer edition, how can I replace the default FF with this new FF?
[18:51] <renlo> also, is there an equivalent to 'gnome-open' in Ub 16?
[18:52] <zertyui> hi there
[18:52] <zertyui> anyone good on networking ?
[18:52] <akik> renlo: you can remove firefox with "sudo apt-get remove firefox firefox-locale-en"
[18:53] <Bashing-om> zertyui: Just ask your question .
[18:53] <Bashing-om> !ask | zertyui
[18:53] <renlo> akik: is it possible to install ff dev via apt-get?
[18:54] <twinflyer> cristian_c, Bashing-om: It took some time (amd links to an outdated download on their amdgpu-pro landing page, so I had to recover my system like 5 times). I finally found the latest version on the install instruction page and everything is working now. Thank you for pointing at amdgpu-pro : )
[18:54] <renlo> oh wait I see it, nvm akik
[18:54] <akik> renlo: what is ff dev?
[18:55] <renlo> I think it has some dev tools?
[18:55] <renlo> like the ability to inspect the DOM for web dev
[18:55] <akik> renlo: where did you download it from? normal firefox has the inspector too
[18:55] <Bashing-om> twinflyer: :) The best part is that you progressed 2 steps up on the learning curve .
[18:57] <akik> renlo: don't know if this is the same inspector that you mean, but try pressing f12 in firefox
[18:57] <renlo> akik: looks like one diff is that the extensions dont need to be signed
[18:57] <renlo> can probably disable some security features haha
[18:58] <renlo> main thing I wanted was the v57 of ff which runs fast
[18:58] <zertyui> i got 2 servers running on linux, the first one with 2 network interface the second one with one network interface
[18:58] <zertyui> the second server communicate with his LAN @IP but can not access to internet
[18:58] <zertyui> the first server able to access internet and to the LAN
[18:59] <zertyui> how to give access to internet on the second server ?
[18:59] <twinflyer> Bashing-om: learning never ends :D Destroying systems teaches a lot of stuff. I learned that the hard way since I'm using Archlinux on my notbook as a daily driver and guess what: I even had to reinstall the package manager manually one time
[18:59] <akik> renlo: firefox 57 is not released yet
[18:59] <renlo> it's in beta, dev edition uses beta
[19:01] <Bashing-om> twinflyer: Man of my own heart :) . Get pat the GUI and it becomes the never ending story :)
[19:09] <KallDrexx> In 16.04 is there any reliable way to change module load order, since blacklisting the module causes it to be ignored in initramfs-tools
[19:17] <Bashing-om> anddam: grub as the bootloader ? then there is the #grub channel .
[19:18] <oerheks> "blacklisting the module causes it to be ignored "... that is the purpose of blacklisting
[19:22] <KallDrexx> oerheks - Yea I understand that, but it's the only way I've found to make my module load after other modules :-/
[19:22] <KallDrexx> or rather to influence load order in any capacity
[19:26] <ioria> KallDrexx, dependencies issue ? the module may be loaded if another non-blacklisted module depends on it
[19:27] <KallDrexx> ioria: I need to load the amdgpu module after pci-stub and xen-pciback so those can claim my 2nd GPU.  Amdgpu module always tries to claim both GPUs and then I can't pass them through to a VM
[19:28] <ioria> KallDrexx, passthrough ?
[19:28] <KallDrexx> so I don't know if another module is depending on it (doubt it but who knows) but blacklisting is the only way I've found to get it to load after everything is claimed
[19:28] <KallDrexx> ioria: So Xen can give full direct access of my 2nd graphics card to my virtual machine
[19:29] <ioria> KallDrexx, can't help you, sy
[19:31] <KallDrexx> essentially if I can just get amdgpu module loaded prior to X but at the end of module loading I'd be golden.  I can work around it by manually "modprobe amdgpu" but that's annoying, and putting that in /etc/rc.local means it loads with a delay, causing X to restart after I've already logged in
[19:33] <ioria> KallDrexx, maybe you can work on lightdm, or what you have
[19:34] <stochastix> If I install 17.04 now, Ill be able to update it to the LTS easily when it comes out right?
[19:34] <ioria> stochastix, maybe
[19:34] <KallDrexx>  I'm using Xubuntu, so I don't know if they use lightDM by default or what
[19:34] <stochastix> hmm, well, chances are better than being able to upgrade to it from 16.04 I imagine?
[19:35] <ioria> KallDrexx, yeah
[19:35] <ioria> stochastix, nope
[19:36] <stochastix> Does that mean there is a special effort for an upgrade path from 16.04, or that means they are equally unlikely to be upgradeable?
[19:36] <ioria> stochastix, in my exp, depends mainly on what have you done on your sys before the do-release-upgrade
[19:37] <stochastix> Hmm, ok. well just see how it goes.
[19:38] <ioria> stochastix, meaning, if your sys is 'clean' you just change Prompt=normal to Prompt=lts
[19:39] <dougiel> stochastix, keep your /home on a seperate partition and then on the next install don't format it - is that help?
[19:39] <stochastix> Can you do something like change repos, and update everything and just arrive there hopefully unscathed? :)
[19:39] <dougiel> then atleast all you personal data and documents are kept for your new install
[19:40] <ioria> stochastix, it's recommended on ubuntu.... might work sometimes
[19:40] <dougiel> stochastix, you can do it but I doubt unscathed
[19:40] <ioria> *not
[19:41] <stochastix> Ok, Im kind of wondering because Im considering installing Ubuntu and running a bunch of Ubuntu LXC containers.
[19:42] <ioria> stochastix, just don't install weird (=outside) stuff
[19:42] <stochastix> If i backup the containers, and reinstall a newer version of Ubuntu, is it going to still run ok, and then there is upgrading all of the containers somehow
[19:43] <fastgate1> hi
[19:43] <fastgate1> why when i press "shutdown"
[19:43] <fastgate1> it simply logout the user?
[19:43] <fastgate1> it does not shutdown the system
[19:43] <stochastix> Or, do the LXC containers somehow still stay linked to the base system, or after they are deployed, they have there own separate system that needs to be upgraded.  I think the latter is the case.
[19:43] <Bashing-om> cristian_c: New one on the block I see : https://github.com/amanusk/s-tui . Might be of value in your use case .
[20:00] <cristian_c> Bashing-om: cool, thanks!
[20:14] <Moe_A> Hello, I'm using Ubuntu 16.04 and I want to upgrade to 17.04, I have python defaults (2.7 and 3.5) and I manually installed 3.6, I heard 3.6 is available in 17.x repos so should I remove it before upgrading to 17.04?
[20:18] <oerheks> 17.04 gives python3  3.5.3-1 as standard, but pyton3.6 is available. i hope manually installed packages get removed during upgrade..
[20:18] <oerheks> !info python3.6
[20:19] <Moe_A> So if I remove the PPA from sources.list, python 3.6 will get removed when upgrading?
[20:20] <oerheks> Moe_A, yes
[20:20] <oerheks> but you can easily reinstall it after upgrade
[20:21] <Moe_A> Alright, thanks for the info!
[20:56] <fastgate1>  why when i press "shutdown", it simply logout the user? it does not shutdown the system
[20:57] <gambl0re> how do i kill system monitor
[20:57] <gambl0re> it seems to be frozen
[20:57] <Toadisattva> it should shut down the system when you hit shutdown
[20:58] <Toadisattva> try control alt backspace for the frozen system
[20:58] <Toadisattva> or control alt T to pop a terminal
[20:58] <gambl0re> only system monitor is frozen
[20:58] <gambl0re> everything else is fine
[20:59] <Toadisattva> do the control alt t and type xkill it'll let you click the frozen window and kill it
[20:59] <gambl0re> oh damn...thats awesome
[20:59] <Toadisattva> handy trick for sure
[20:59] <gambl0re> it's better than task manager
[21:24] <hazrpg[laptop]> anyone got any knowledge on secure boot? When I installed Ubuntu, the option for 3rd party drivers said that I needed to disable secure boot - this to me seems like a workaround instead of actually solving the problem. Is there a way I can keep secure boot enabled but allow some third party stuff?
[21:28] <Toadisattva> that one I don't have the answer for
[21:28]  * Toadisattva pulls out his notebook and waits for a greater nerd than himself to come along
[21:30] <oerheks> not sure this page is any help, mokutils to sign your driver.. https://askubuntu.com/questions/755238/why-disabling-secure-boot-is-enforced-policy-when-installing-3rd-party-modules
[21:45] <fastgate1>  why when i press "shutdown", it simply logout the user? it does not shutdown the system
[21:46] <dougiel> bug
[21:46] <dougiel> err - common problem here
[21:55] <Vysty> I'm formatting an external HD to use for purposes of backing up my system. What's the best way to format it for optimal performance and longevity? Ubuntu is giving me two options. 1. Erase by either overwriting existing data with zeroes, or not. 2. FAT, NTFS, or Ext4?
[21:59] <histo> Vysty: will the drive be used only with linux?
[22:01] <Toadisattva> only overwrite with zeros if you concerned with someone being able to retrieve data that was previously on there, otherwise the standard format is fine
[22:01] <histo> Vysty: if you are going to only use it with linux use ext4 if you need compatibility across platforms use ntfs
[22:01] <Toadisattva> fat is compatible with all operating systems but has a size limit of a few gigs, ntfs is the windows file system, ext4 if you are only using linux systems
[22:01] <Vysty> I'm planning on only using Linux systems.
[22:02] <Vysty> I simply want to use it as a backup in case my computer crashes.
[22:02] <Toadisattva> how big is the drive?
[22:02] <Vysty> Not as extra storage.
[22:02] <Vysty> Either 500 GB or 1 TB.
[22:02] <Toadisattva> the ext4 is probably your best bet in that case
[22:03] <Vysty> That's what I'm thinking. Thanks for the advice. I did read, though, that it's SUPER important to unmount properly with Ext4. I guess even moreso than NTFS.
[22:03] <Vysty> Is that true/an issue?
[22:03] <Bashing-om> Vysty: That large of a drive - partition to suit your needs . why wasre all that space ?
[22:03] <Vysty> Bashing-om: The only need I have for it is backup in case my computer crashes.
[22:03] <Toadisattva> yeah it can corrupt the file system if you don't unmount with ext4
[22:04] <Vysty> Toadisattva: It can corrupt *the whole thing* or just whatever it was working on at the time?
[22:04] <Toadisattva> but it's usually fairly easy to recover usually fairly keywords there
[22:04] <Toadisattva> lol
[22:04] <Bashing-om> Vysty: UNmount is VERY important !
[22:05] <Vysty> Another question: what's a simple and reliable piece of software for backing up my whole system?
[22:08] <Bashing-om> !backup | Vysty
[22:11] <Bashing-om> Vysty: But, I do not agree that a full system backup is of value . System files are on the install - All that is needed is to backup personal files and maybe some configs .
[22:12] <buggaboosanchez> Has anyone installed wordpress and / or installed it from this tutorial? https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-wordpress-with-lamp-on-ubuntu-16-04
[22:12] <buggaboosanchez> ^ When I get to the step to launch the installer it does not work.  I also have phpmyadmin installed and it works fine.
[22:13] <Vysty> Bashing-om: What's the best way to go about that?
[22:15] <Bashing-om> Vysty: Well, I use rsync and copy off my data directoroes ( 3 places ! ) .
[22:35] <buggaboosanchez> does the content of /tmp  persist through a reboot?  ( I cant reboot now to test it )
[22:36] <LTCD> Guys just did this on my 500GB HDD, how long should it take? sudo badblocks -v /dev/sda
[22:36] <mguy> buggaboosanchez: it should...what is the value of TMPTIME in /etc/default/rcS
[22:39] <hazrpg[laptop]> oerheks: sort of... I saw that askubuntu page before I came here - it outlines the problem, and suggests what tools to use but not how to use the tools. The bit I'm struggling with is how to use mokutils and on which packages do I need to sign.
[22:47] <buggaboosanchez> mguy: sorry for the delay - it appars to be commented out
[22:47] <buggaboosanchez> That particular line is commented ( by default I guess cause I never changed it )
[22:52] <zeeblefritz> is this a good place to get help installing amd video drivers and also app sdk?
[22:52] <realm174> Hi all. I might have messed up my ssh config (n00b here).  What's the easiest way to start fresh?
[22:54] <fastgate1>  why when i press "shutdown", it simply logout the user? it does not shutdown the system
[22:58] <Bashing-om> zeeblefritz: http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/AMD-Radeon-GPU-PRO-Linux-Beta-Driver%E2%80%93Release-Notes.aspx . Do you qualify for other than the defaults ?
[23:02] <zeeblefritz> Bashing-om: I don't understand your question
[23:04] <Bashing-om> zeeblefritz: as of 16.04 release AND srivers are in the kernel . If your card is recent enough then AMD also provides a proprietary overlay .
[23:04] <Bashing-om> AMD drivers are in **
[23:05] <zeeblefritz> ahh. I checked the list It seems this card the r9 280x is not in the list
[23:05] <Bashing-om> zeeblefritz: Humm maybe yes . let me check .
[23:05] <billygoat> Is there a way to change single finger motions to be gestures on a touchpad. I'd like to use single finger swipes to change workspaces.
[23:05] <billygoat> ?
[23:10] <Bashing-om> zeeblefritz: http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/AMD-Radeon-GPU-PRO-Linux-Beta-Driver%E2%80%93Release-Notes.aspx . What are you running now ' lsmod | grep radeon ; lsmod | grep amdgpu ' ?
[23:11] <zeeblefritz> Bashing-om: neither of those commands returns a result
[23:13] <Bashing-om> zeeblefritz: ouch ! no driver loaded ? what shows ' sudo lshw -C display ' ?
[23:13] <zeeblefritz> um too long to list. can you help me pastebin. i haven't used that in a whiel
[23:14] <zeeblefritz> it definitely doesn't have a driver loaded as it is returning my clock speed at 33mhz
[23:15] <Bashing-om> zeeblefritz: sure .. terminal command ' sudo lshw -C display | nc termbin.com 9999 ' .
[23:16] <zeeblefritz> Bashing-om http://termbin.com/b3a9
[23:17] <Bashing-om> zeeblefritz: Ouch !! ..,., Yeah, no driver(s) loaded .. but this is twinned AMD cards .. I do not KNOW . Is this arrangement supportable in linux ? others will have to advise .
[23:18] <zeeblefritz> there are 2 cards. crossfire is enabled via the driver.
[23:19] <zeeblefritz> i haven't used this system in a few months. when I booted there was a problem loading so I "fixed" it in recovery.
[23:19] <Bashing-om> zeeblefritz: Others with the experience here will have to advise . Last I was aware non support from AMD .
[23:19] <zeeblefritz> just now realized I have no driver. so I guess I use the radeon_gpu driver not the pro driver right?
[23:20] <Bashing-om> zeeblefritz: Sorry I have no expereince base for your situation.
[23:20] <zeeblefritz> if it was one card would yoU?
[23:21] <Bashing-om> zeeblefritz: Yes .. one card I can fingure our way through . But the 2 card working is the better option .
[23:21] <zeeblefritz> meh. I could care less about that at the moment.
[23:22] <zeeblefritz> I use windows for gaming which is why i have 2
[23:22] <Bashing-om> zeeblefritz: then pull a card .. boot up and see if the kernel configures it's self :)
[23:23] <zeeblefritz> i will try that. atm the dist upgrade is downloading. so i will do that after
[23:23] <Bashing-om> zeeblefritz: K .. we will be here to help if an issue continues ( possible) .
[23:43] <Kali_Yuga> might not be an ubuntu problem. we got 1 router but my wifi network shows the same router twice as (wlan0) & (wlan1)... any Idea why i have two wifi spots?
[23:51] <b0nn> hrm I'm running a script that greps /etc/shadow for a user; the script uses ssh-pass
[23:52] <slimjimflim> Kali_Yuga: #networking
[23:52] <b0nn> but for some ips it's returning nothing, suggesting the user isn't on that server; but when I login ..manually.. to check.. the user is there
[23:52] <b0nn> this suggests that my logging in is causing the e/tc/shadow ti be updated, if so how do I find out?