[14:26] <n-iCe> hi
[16:12] <pablo_> Hello! Using Lubuntu 16.04. I have a window that is way too big and doesn't fit on the tiny screen of a school laptop (1024*600). I can move it while pressing the Alt key but... Is there a way to force resizing?
[16:12] <pablo_> I already tried changing the base font size, from 11 to 9, with no luck.
[16:12] <n-iCe> pablo_: resize from corners
[16:14] <wxl> pablo_: one option is to make the app maximized via openbox http://openbox.org/wiki/Help:Applications
[16:14] <n-iCe> I would resize from corners
[16:14] <n-iCe> wxl: don't you?
[16:14] <wxl> n-iCe: depending on the size of the window, no
[16:15] <n-iCe> I have done it, with alt move to the corner and start rezising
[16:15] <wxl> n-iCe: pablo_ is looking for an alternative to that
[16:16] <wxl> there is a <position force> option
[16:17] <wxl> couple that with <size> and you're set
[16:17] <wxl> if you want absolute control, at least. otherwise, maximized will do the trick.
[16:18] <n-iCe> I see
[16:18] <n-iCe> anyway I'm not using lubuntu right now
[16:18] <n-iCe> I moved to Debian with i3, since I needed to sell my laptop, and I'm using an old one with old hardware.
[16:18] <n-iCe> Which I'm not sure lubuntu will run smooth.
[16:19] <wxl> i'm pretty sure it will.
[16:19] <n-iCe> better than my current configuration
[16:19] <n-iCe> ?
[16:20] <wxl> why not?
[16:20] <n-iCe> model name	: Genuine Intel(R) CPU           T2400  @ 1.83GHz
[16:20] <n-iCe> 1GB RAM
[16:20] <n-iCe> Well, Debian netinstall with i3, is pretty slim
[16:20] <wxl> you do know you can use i3 with lubuntu, right? not like openbox is very heavy weight
[16:20] <wxl> 1GB is a LOT for lubuntu
[16:20] <wxl> there's net install options for *ubuntu, too
[16:21] <wxl> the wiki documents some ultralight options
[16:21] <wxl> but if you like old packages, debian is pretty nice XD
[16:21] <n-iCe> htop says is using 100MB RAM
[16:21] <n-iCe> is it good?
[16:21] <wxl> is what good?
[16:21] <n-iCe> did not even think in using lubuntu :/
[16:22] <n-iCe> wxl: http://paste.debian.net/988729/
[16:23] <wxl> n-iCe: i've run lubuntu on 256MB.
[16:23] <n-iCe> whooot
[16:23] <n-iCe> with lxde?
[16:23] <wxl> which is to say those numbers you show are perfectly achievable
[16:23] <wxl> yep
[16:23] <n-iCe> oh my
[16:23] <n-iCe> and if I use i3 will even be more lightweight, right
[16:23] <Notsonoble> recently?
[16:23] <wxl> it's not fast on a modern browser running javascript etc., but that's true of anything
[16:24] <n-iCe> 11:23 < Notsonoble> recently?
[16:24] <n-iCe> good question
[16:24] <wxl> i doubt i3 is much lighter
[16:24] <wxl> i use awesome and it's not much different
[16:24] <n-iCe> i3 against lxde?
[16:24] <n-iCe> you say there is no much difference?!
[16:24] <wxl> not really, no
[16:25] <n-iCe> ok
[16:25] <n-iCe> Will try it right now
[16:25] <n-iCe> So, lubuntu .iso?
[16:25] <n-iCe> Or any netinstall?
[16:25] <pablo_> @n-iCe @wxl, even maximized, it wont show the buttons that are in the lower part of the window, and there is no scroll bar. Corner resizing only allows me to make it bigger, but there's a minimum size. Maybe it's a problem of the application. Made with QT5, if that matters.
[16:26] <n-iCe> wxl: is this ok? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/17.04/release/lubuntu-17.04-desktop-i386.iso
[16:26] <wxl> pablo_: try my suggestions with openbox and the <position> and <size> options. the link i gave gives you the basic syntax and there's a link in there that shows a commented config file showing you how to deal with the specific qualities
[16:27] <n-iCe> wxl: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/17.04/release/lubuntu-17.04-desktop-i386.iso
[16:27] <wxl> n-iCe: yep, but if you want the lightest possible, you can use the mini.iso
[16:27] <n-iCe> is ok?
[16:27] <n-iCe> ok yes!
[16:27] <wxl> n-iCe: and actually i'd recommend the alternate installer if you don't use the mini.iso
[16:28] <wxl> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall
[16:28] <n-iCe> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall
[16:28] <n-iCe> yes exactly, I'm there.
[16:28] <n-iCe> By the way, how much RAM would you set for this system?
[16:28] <wxl> why not use it all?
[16:29] <n-iCe> sorry?
[16:29] <wxl> you CAN limit it to as little as 256MB, but as i said, a modern browser with javascript running will be slooooow
[16:29] <n-iCe> 256MB of RAM?
[16:29] <wxl> yes
[16:29] <n-iCe> I can set a partition with plenty RAM, that's not a problem.
[16:30] <n-iCe> The think is, with 1GB RAM, how much swap will you give.
[16:30] <wxl> partition?
[16:30] <n-iCe> Oh, sorry, I wrote RAM, I was saying swap.
[16:30] <wxl> are you talking about disk space or RAM?
[16:30] <n-iCe> Sorry, my bad.
[16:30] <n-iCe> sorry, sorry, how much swap would you give to the system.
[16:30] <wxl> oh well everyone has a different attitude about swap
[16:30] <wxl> but i'd suggest using a swap file personally. double RAM is a good rule of thumb
[16:30] <n-iCe> swap file?
[16:31] <wxl> yep
[16:31] <n-iCe> I read partitions are better
[16:31] <wxl> > oh well everyone has a different attitude about swap
[16:32] <n-iCe> i SEE
[16:32] <n-iCe> 2GB then?
[16:32] <wxl> yep
[16:32] <n-iCe> awesome, done, mini.iso is in my usb
[16:33] <n-iCe> do I have wireless.tools in that mini iso?
[16:34] <pablo_> sorry, computer crashed.. couldn't read messages after " wxl: is this ok? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/17.04/release/lubuntu-17.04-desktop-i386.iso"
[16:34] <wxl> it definiately has the capacity to do networking
[16:34] <wxl> pablo_: try my suggestions with openbox and the <position> and <size> options. the link i gave gives you the basic syntax and there's a link in there that shows a commented config file showing you how to deal with the specific qualities
[16:35] <n-iCe> wxl: awesome
[16:35] <n-iCe> brb
[16:35] <n-iCe> booting in lubutnu minimal
[16:35] <wxl> > pablo_: one option is to make the app maximized via openbox http://openbox.org/wiki/Help:Applications
[16:35] <n-iCe> Im in my phone
[16:36] <n-iCe> Wow detected my wireless with no problem
[16:37] <n-iCe> I have internet so fast
[16:37] <n-iCe> Damnit
[16:37] <n-iCe> wxl so debian are really old packages?
[16:38] <n-iCe> It working fine
[16:38] <wxl> n-iCe: the whole point behind *buntu is providing the LATEST packages from debian. in other words, their stable lags behind our stable.
[16:38] <n-iCe> https://photos.app.goo.gl/JCLZ1AP2PffyxD0a2
[16:39] <n-iCe> By the way
[16:39] <n-iCe> Im installing ubuntu right?
[16:40] <n-iCe> Im using defaults partitions is it ok?
[16:40] <wxl> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1336/how-is-ubuntu-different-from-debian
[16:40] <wxl> of course it's ok. but you have the option to change it if you want
[16:43] <n-iCe> Awesome installing base system
[16:43] <n-iCe> Thanks again wxl
[16:44] <n-iCe> https://l3net.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/cmp-all4.png
[16:45] <n-iCe> Have you seen that
[17:02] <n-iCe> Done, booting into minimal
[17:02] <n-iCe> Uhm, is taking more time than usual
[17:03] <n-iCe> And is not booting
[17:04] <n-iCe> It is stuck here
[17:04] <n-iCe> https://photos.app.goo.gl/orF4IFEsS9f9VlMp2
[17:04] <n-iCe> Any idea wxl
[17:27] <alex___> hello
[17:28] <n-iCe> Hi
[17:29] <alex___> heeelp my
[17:33] <n-iCe> ask
[17:41] <pablo_> Thanks wxl, will try later.
[17:59] <n-iCe> wxl: is using more ram
[17:59] <n-iCe> o.O
[19:00] <n-iCe> wxl: ?
[21:01] <wxl> n-iCe: did you do the mini.iso or the alternate? if the former, which packages did you install?
[21:03] <n-iCe> mini
[21:04] <n-iCe> installed alsa, pavucontrol, xorg, i3, irssi and firefox nightly build
[21:04] <n-iCe> also gparted
[21:04] <wxl> but you started with ubuntu-base or lubuntu-desktop, or what?
[21:05] <n-iCe> ubunu base
[21:05] <n-iCe> mini.iso
[21:05] <wxl> did you compare the ram usage of the individual components to your debian set up?
[21:05] <n-iCe> just compared at boot
[21:05] <n-iCe> and normal use
[21:06] <n-iCe> ubuntu reaching the 800MB
[21:06] <wxl> > individual components
[21:06] <n-iCe> easily
[21:10] <n-iCe> wxl: might be because de ubuntu core is bigger than the debian core?
[21:16] <wxl> n-iCe: don't jump to assumptions until you've looked at the individual components
[21:17] <n-iCe> how
[21:17] <n-iCe> I'm checking the general memory
[21:17] <wxl> `ps`, `top`, etc.
[21:18] <n-iCe> I check top says 900MB ram in use
[21:18] <wxl> `top`, just like `ps` can give you a total but it's primary purpose is to breakdown how all that memory is allocated
[21:18] <n-iCe> htop is what I used
[21:21] <n-iCe> wxl: and all feels slower
[21:22] <wxl> but you can't draw conclusions until you look at the reality of it
[21:22] <wxl> for example, maybe firefox is slower? i don't know. you have to look rather than using conjecture
[21:22] <n-iCe> I take my conclusion of what I'm experiencing
[21:22] <n-iCe> well I'm doing the same, exactly the same that I used to do with debian
[21:22] <n-iCe> firefox, irssi
[21:22] <n-iCe> nothing much more
[21:23] <wxl> and what is the memory usage of each application compared to one another?
[21:23] <n-iCe> no idea
[21:23] <wxl> that's what i've been suggesting you look at
[21:23] <n-iCe> I don't have the other os installed anymore
[21:23] <n-iCe> I removed debian of course
[21:24] <wxl> then it's hard to draw conclusions, except to say that something is different.