[00:57] <Unit193> sarnold: I'm presuming you aren't around?
[13:22] <jbicha> LocutusOfBorg: would you like to update geary to 0.12.0 (released today)?
[13:22] <jbicha> I intend to NMU it because I don't like leaving it as a git snapshot in Debian but the delay may be too long for artful
[13:23] <LocutusOfBorg> sorry but ENOTIME for some time
[13:23] <LocutusOfBorg> I have 500 packages to look at
[13:25] <jbicha> wow ok
[14:12] <GunnarHj> Laney: Any chance you can look at the FFe at bug #1707929?
[14:15] <Laney> GunnarHj: sorry about that - looks OK to me, feel free to merge the pkg with Debian (that's the only change there)
[14:15] <GunnarHj> Laney: Right; thanks!
[14:17] <jbicha> speaking of Indic, we should discuss LP: #1719934 comment 5, maybe at tomorrow's Desktop meeting?
[14:37] <jibel> jbicha, can you use another bug report instead of repurposing this one ? It's specifically about missing fonts not moving others from one seed to another
[14:38] <jbicha> jibel: sure, but I was pointing out that there were other Indic fonts dropped at 16.04 besides those 2
[14:44] <jbicha> jibel: and if we put fonts-indic in desktop-common than your merge proposal is unnecessary
[14:52] <madigens> hm, is ubuntu using google's noto font family for extended language support or is planning to? noto is among the highest quality families with the widest language coverage out there.
[14:53] <madigens> i often find it cringeworthy to open some wikipedia page and see a mixture of good and bad design in the side panel, even if i speak only two of the listed languages
[14:54] <GunnarHj> Laney: Another thing: Would appreciate your advice re bug #1720250. There is a proposal in this PPA:
[14:54] <GunnarHj> https://launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/+archive/ubuntu/im-config/+packages
[14:54] <GunnarHj> and it's especially the change of debian/user/im-config.service which is over my head. The change seems to solve the issue, but we don't want bad side effects...
[15:00] <Laney> GunnarHj: where did that come from?
[15:01] <Laney> ok, comment 8
[15:01] <GunnarHj> Laney: Right, from Mitsuya Shibata.
[15:03] <Laney> not sure about this
[15:03] <Laney> I think basic.target is too basic - it'll execute with non-graphical logins
[15:04] <Laney> And it probably starts up multiple times (RemainAfterExit=yes)?
[15:04] <Laney> Don't think ripping out PartOf=graphical.target is good, we need that when we go back to user sessions properly in 18.04
[15:06] <GunnarHj> Laney: Any other idea for a solution this cycle? Without the change, im-config is ignored.
[15:08] <jbicha> madigens: Ubuntu installs fonts-noto-cjk, fonts-nanum, fonts-liberation (and of course the Ubuntu fonts) by default
[15:09] <jbicha> madigens: there are more font weights in fonts-noto-cjk-extra but that's a large package so we try to only install that for users of CJK language packs
[15:10] <GunnarHj> jbicha: If you add fonts-indic, as we talked about, the coverage would be rather good.
[15:11] <Laney> GunnarHj: not off the top of my head
[15:11] <Laney> well, ok, maybe you can add an ExecStartPre to check $XDG_SOMETHING and not start if it's not set
[15:12] <GunnarHj> Laney: I'd need handholding to do that. :)
[15:15] <Laney> problem is you want to make it exit when the user logs out
[15:15] <Laney> and ideally clear the environment variables
[15:18] <GunnarHj> Laney: Are you saying that this mechanism would result in user session variables not being cleared at logout?
[15:18] <Laney> looks like it to me
[15:18] <Laney> only if you're logged in somewhere else at the same time
[15:19] <Laney> if it's the last session then the systemd --user instance itself would go away
[15:19] <Laney> I guess we had that bug before though
[15:21] <GunnarHj> Laney: Any chance you could summarize your doubts on the bug report? Mitsuya might be able to address them. (AFAIK we haven't had this bug before.)
[15:24] <madigens> jbicha: are you using the super OTCs for the CJK fonts? they save a lot of space
[15:25] <GunnarHj> madigens: We use the weight specific OTCs, not the "super" one.
[15:27] <madigens> oh well :)
[15:28] <GunnarHj> madigens: The difference is small from a size POV.
[15:34] <Laney> GunnarHj: done, and I thought of something to maybe do
[15:38] <GunnarHj> Laney: Do you mean that we should basically keep the current file, and add something in /etc/profile.d as a workaround for now?
[15:39] <Laney> I think it'd make for a better solution than a unit which might cause problems
[15:40] <Laney> well, give it a go :-)
[15:40] <GunnarHj> Laney: Right, thanks for clarifying. We'll try that route.
[15:41] <Laney> I don't much like stuffing /etc/profile.d/ with desktop things, but it feels like it offers the cleanest solution atm
[15:41] <Laney> until we get the user sessions hooked back up again
[17:59] <soc> hi
[17:59] <soc> can someone help me with an environment variable issue?
[17:59] <soc> some application sets XAUTHIROTY, I beleive it is lightdm, and it seems I can't override it
[18:00] <soc> setting it in .profile is too late, and in .pam_environment it just gets overridden
[23:08] <nacc> chrisccoulson: is there going to be a correspondign 56.0 upload to artful as to the other releases?
[23:08] <nacc> chrisccoulson: re: firefox
[23:09] <chrisccoulson> yes, but tomorrow now
[23:09] <chrisccoulson> well, later
[23:09] <nacc> chrisccoulson: ack, thanks
[23:10] <chrisccoulson> actually, I may as well just do it now
[23:10] <nacc> chrisccoulson: :)
[23:11] <nacc> chrisccoulson: didn't meant to pester you into doing it ASAP, just was curious and was responding to someone asking about it
[23:28] <nacc> thanks chrisccoulson