[13:54] <Tommeh> Ahoy
[13:55] <Tommeh> I was wondering why, at some point last week, autoremove marked 'gnome-themes-standard' as fit for removal, but not 'gnome-themes-standard-data'. Without the former package, GTK2 support under Adwaita seemingly broke.
[13:55] <Tommeh> Other themes were OK.
[13:56] <Tommeh> It only manifested in one of my applications; hexchat.
[13:56] <Tommeh> (I'm running 17.10 Artful beta, upgrading most days.)
[13:58] <jbicha> Tommeh: yes, I'm going to have gnome-session recommend gnome-themes-standard later this week so I think that will fix that issue
[13:59] <Tommeh> jbicha: ah, glad I'm not the only one. :)
[14:00] <Tommeh> A few more packages went with it, though as far as I can tell haven't caused me any grief (yet)
[14:01] <Tommeh> Well, I should say 'a few more gnome-* packages went with gnome-themes-standard: gnome-photos, gnome-music, gnome-initial-setup, gnome-characters
[14:03] <jbicha> hmm, ok welcome to Ubuntu 17.10
[14:03] <jbicha> do you still have gnome-session installed?
[14:04] <Tommeh> Yes
[14:04] <Tommeh> If the others aren't used any more, that's fine :)
[14:04]  * Tommeh was just aiming to avoid any more brokeneness 
[14:05] <jbicha> those other packages are stuff that Ubuntu GNOME used to install by default but Ubuntu 17.10 doesn't
[14:05] <jbicha> you can still install them if you like them
[14:07] <Tommeh> I must've missed something political - is Ubuntu GNOME now officially just "Ubuntu 17.10 w/ Gnome" in light of the 18.04 shift to gnome-shell?
[14:09] <jbicha> yes, we should probably make an updated announcement
[14:09] <jbicha> https://ubuntugnome.org/ubuntu-gnome-17-04-released/
[14:10] <jbicha> there's a vanilla-gnome-desktop package available now if you want something like the old Ubuntu GNOME but we do not plan to make ISOs for it
[14:12] <Tommeh> Ahh
[14:12] <Tommeh> I had read this, but must've skimmed over the bit about 17.10 being the shift point for non-LTS
[14:13] <Tommeh> My bad. I'm happy to stick with the mainstream - I was really only using Ubuntu Gnome because installing gnome-shell alongside regular Ubuntu was *terrible*
[14:14] <jbicha> we were a bit late with doing the switch this cycle
[14:14] <jbicha> but we figured that most people would rather have the supported Ubuntu now and we made a metapackage for those who don't
[14:14] <jbicha> but even installing gnome-session and logging in to GNOME works well too
[14:19] <Tommeh> I can imagine it does now. Well, unless you use Adwaita & HexChat :D
[14:20] <Tommeh> (Until that recommends bit is fixedup)
[14:36] <Tommeh> Well anyway, keep up the good work, and thanks for all of your efforts - I'll leave you in peace :)
[19:13] <muelli> hrm. I'm running the live CD but I can't do much with it, because /cow is running out of space very quickly. Can I somehow assign more space to /cow?
[20:24] <jbicha> muelli: there's a tool called mkusb that could help you make a live USB have persistent storage so that's there more space available
[20:25] <jbicha> (Ubuntu's live images are designed as a demo and installer, not long-term use)
[20:27] <jbicha> mkusb isn't in Ubuntu, you have to get it from a PPA
[20:40] <muelli> hrm.  yeah, I'm trying to use the live cd as a demo for my app.  But installing it seems to involve too many dependencies to fill the overlayfs :-\