[11:16] <popey> ahoneybun: some cc meetings are private, but usually public in #ubuntu-meeting.
[13:19] <ahoneybun> Alright thanks popey and jose
[16:09] <ahoneybun> popey: do we have a UCC meeting this thursday?
[16:09] <popey> I am not on the CC :)
[16:10] <ahoneybun> mm well the meeting logs are kinda light lately so no idea if someone is planning a meeting soon or what
[16:10] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda has the details
[16:10] <popey> so yeah, 1st thursday looks good
[16:10] <ahoneybun> depends who is going to come tho lol
[16:11] <popey> well, the new cc should :)
[16:11] <ahoneybun> *should*
[16:12] <popey> maybe you could fire a mail at the cc and ensure they do :)
[16:13] <ahoneybun> good idea lol
[16:18] <popey> <- ideas man
[16:32] <tsimonq2> (or as Chris Fisher likes to put it, "Canonical's Secret Weapon" :P)
[19:41] <knome> popey, where have you imagined flavors would appear at the new https://community.ubuntu.com/ ?
[20:19] <popey> knome: great question. how do you think flavours would want to use it? I anticipated that some already have their own tools.
[20:20] <knome> i was thinking from xubuntu's point of view and i think we would at least want to show up there
[20:20] <knome> probably not use it very actively
[20:20] <knome> or at least - not as the main platform for anything
[20:21] <popey> Right, that's what I thought. I figured some might want to use it but the branding might put people off, because it's not flavour specific branding
[20:22] <popey> but, as a project resource, I'm super keen to have anyone in the wider Ubuntu family use it in whatever way they want, within the overall remit of the site
[20:22] <popey> (i.e. not tech support)
[20:22] <knome> of course
[20:22] <knome> did discourse support subcategories again?
[20:22] <popey> yes
[20:22] <popey> look in the documentation category
[20:22] <popey> there are two (hidden from the main page) sub-categories in there
[20:23] <knome> so maybe a "Flavors" category and subcategories for each
[20:23] <popey> Yeah, maybe opt in, I wouldn't want to create a bunch of categories which end up with zero content
[20:23] <knome> absolutely
[20:23] <popey> But if you have some ideas for what might be posted there, I ca
[20:24] <popey> *can set them up
[20:24] <popey> happy to set you guys as moderators of the area etc
[20:24] <knome> i'll take this to the team devel list, but i think we could use it for some testing calls and other (probably more one-off) calls/announcements we want to spread as much as possible
[20:25] <knome> like a call for submissions to a wallpaper contest for the next LTS
[20:26] <popey> Yeah, we're gonna do a similar wallpaper thing for ubuntu i think
[20:26] <popey> we have an "announcements" category, we could put flavour announcements in there too?
[20:26] <popey> up to you, let me know what you guys/girls want and we'll accomodate it
[20:27] <knome> yeah, i'm not sure
[20:27] <popey> The good thing is it's super flexible so we can move posts around later
[20:27] <knome> if the flavors have their own (sub)categories, it might just be confusing to have the announcements elsewhere
[20:27] <popey> agreed
[20:28] <popey> the flipside being it's nice having one place for all announcements
[20:28] <popey> (although it's a complete lie that it's one place, of course, there's the social networks, ubuntu-announce mailing list, fridge, etc)
[20:29] <knome> yep
[20:31] <tsimonq2> Really like how it looks so far popey :D
[20:31] <popey> <3
[20:31] <popey> Suggestions for improvements always welcome.
[20:33] <tsimonq2> popey: So it seems like on the Ubuntu MATE one at least I am part of "teams" which show up as badges when I post something
[20:33] <tsimonq2> For example, I'm in an Ubuntu Members team (I think).
[20:34] <tsimonq2> Could we maybe try something like that out?
[20:34] <tsimonq2> (maybe have it authenticate with Launchpad teams or something to ease maintenance)
[20:34] <popey> We did discuss this with IS, and it's certainly an interesting thing that we could potentially do
[20:34] <tsimonq2> popey: One more thing, is it ready enough to link in the topic here? :))
[20:35] <tsimonq2> Cool cool
[20:35] <popey> but we had to get the site up quickly, so didn't have time during the initial deployment
[20:35] <popey> totally! :D
[20:35] <popey> GO GO TOPIC!
[20:35] <tsimonq2> Bam
[20:36] <tsimonq2> Lil' marketing bit there :3
[20:39] <tsimonq2> popey: One thing I've been working on is helping reduce the number of exploitable CVEs in Universe packages
[20:40] <tsimonq2> I've always just said something on my Twitter when an update is released
[20:40] <tsimonq2> popey: Would that be something I can put under Announcements?
[20:41] <popey> If it's tweet sized, then maybe it's ideal for twitter :)
[20:41] <popey> Not sure we want to replicate things like artful-changes
[20:42] <tsimonq2> Well the community CVE updates are somewhat low volume
[20:42] <tsimonq2> A couple a week, maybe
[20:42] <tsimonq2> But the point is to let people know that updates have been done to keep their systems secure.
[20:42]  * tsimonq2 shrugs
[20:42] <popey> Yeah, they have value, totally
[20:42] <popey> Wondering where the best place for that is, and in what form.
[20:43] <tsimonq2> Because ideally the goal is to help onboard more contributors to help.
[20:44] <tsimonq2> It's a good (and easy) way to get involved with packaging, it's nothing complex (usually), just patch the upstream source and test it in a PPA to make sure it works. :)
[20:44] <tsimonq2> Here's the list that I've (sort of) been following: https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/universe.html
[20:45] <popey> You know what would be cool. Is a piece by piece guide to getting started helping fix these things
[20:45] <popey> not a 22 page packaging guide ;D
[20:46] <tsimonq2> heh well the packaging guide has its uses ;)
[20:46] <tsimonq2> But I agree.
[20:46] <tsimonq2> Something super easy and quick someone can do.
[20:46]  * acheronuk nods
[20:47] <popey> I'd love to see a simple guide for SRUs too - I mean, testing them
[20:47] <popey> that's a super simple way to help. Install this package - make sure the thing reported no longer happens - mark it fixed
[20:47] <tsimonq2> And maybe once they've done the simple packaging tasks over and over and over again, they'll want to move on to something more complex. ;)
[20:47] <tsimonq2> popey: Hm, I thought we already had one of those?
[20:47] <popey> We do?
[20:48] <tsimonq2> Bam: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/PerformingSRUVerification
[20:48] <tsimonq2> Maybe a bit outdated, though.
[20:48] <popey> I reckon most people don't know that page exists (as with much of the wiki)
[20:49] <tsimonq2> popey: ooh that's something else I've been thinking about
[20:49] <tsimonq2> Once the outstanding MediaWiki CVEs are dealt with... I think we actually need to focus on having a good, working wiki...
[20:49] <tsimonq2> (imho)
[20:49] <popey> That would be fun. I'd love to help migrate.
[20:50] <tsimonq2> Here's the thing, we had this discussion at one point, did we not?
[20:50] <tsimonq2> And then (I think) Jorge Castro offered to give people a tarball of all the data to run through a conversion script.
[20:50] <popey> Yup, but it fell on the floor due to lack of time
[20:50] <popey> I have it
[20:50] <tsimonq2> Nobody stepped up to make that happen.
[20:50] <popey> yeah. it's a big job
[20:51] <popey> Now, the next question is, do we *really* want to move to moin
[20:51] <popey> discourse has the concept of wiki posts :)
[20:51] <popey> (all the documentation category are wiki posts)
[20:51] <popey> (the content I copy/pasta'ed over from the old static site is all there and editable)
[20:52] <tsimonq2> Ooh, that might be workable... would be nice to have that integrated with the new Community Hub :D
[20:52] <popey> Be interesting to build a list of most visited and most edited pages
[20:52] <popey> to see what coverage we need
[20:52] <popey> I imagine converting moin to markdown wouldn't be _that_ hard
[20:52] <popey> famous last words :D
[20:52] <tsimonq2> Exactly, famous last words... :P
[20:54] <tsimonq2> popey: Small(ish) nitpick, the Ubuntu logo used in the favicon isn't transparent, I've just Telegramed you what I mean by that
[20:54] <tsimonq2> It would certainly bug someone with a dark browser theme...
[20:55] <popey> yeah, lemme see how to fix that
[20:55] <tsimonq2> usn.ubuntu.com does that as well, I just need to figure out who/what to poke to fix it :P
[20:56] <tsimonq2> AaaaaHA, nvm, found the GitHub page :P
[21:01] <knome> the favicon doesn't have a transparent bg either.
[21:01] <knome> oh
[21:01] <knome> wait
[21:01] <tsimonq2> yeah :)
[21:02] <knome> going to bed, good night
[21:02] <popey> o/
[21:03] <tsimonq2> o/ knome
[21:04] <popey> https://assets.ubuntu.com/v1/49a1a858-favicon-32x32.png
[21:04] <popey> is that transparent for you?
[21:05] <popey> because that's the currently set favicon
[21:05] <tsimonq2> No
[21:06] <popey> it is in eog
[21:07] <tsimonq2> Hmmmm, interesting...
[21:09] <popey> and that's the same one that's on ubuntu.com
[21:09] <tsimonq2> O__o
[21:09] <tsimonq2> Ahh
[21:09] <tsimonq2> Except, ubuntu.com's favicon isn't transparent either
[21:09] <popey> hah, okay
[21:10] <popey> get me the url of another one that is good
[21:12] <tsimonq2> popey: Every one of these on here ;) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IconsPage
[21:13] <popey> wow, there's some crusty old icons on there!
[21:13] <tsimonq2> But the Ubuntu one on there is actually good
[21:13] <tsimonq2> :P
[21:13] <popey> iconCircle32.png ?
[21:13] <tsimonq2> This one, specifically: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IconsPage?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=iconCircle48.png
[21:13] <tsimonq2> Or that too :)
[21:14] <popey> ok, set that as favicon, look right now?
[21:14] <popey> (I see no favicon in my browser)
[21:15] <popey> looks good in my bookmarks..
[21:16] <tsimonq2> First load takes a bit... (cleared my cache)
[21:16] <tsimonq2> Hmm, still not good...
[21:17] <tsimonq2> But wait a minute it's better in Qupzilla
[21:17]  * tsimonq2 blames Firefox for this one :P
[21:17] <tsimonq2> popey: All better :D
[21:17] <popey> hehe
[21:17] <popey> \o/
[21:17] <popey> thanks!
[21:17] <tsimonq2> :D
[21:19] <tsimonq2> popey: I have to go get some stuff done, but this is looking great so far!
[21:19] <popey> o/