[00:00] <palmdk> I am not that strong in unix but will see what i can come up with
[00:00] <palmdk> "ls -l" is that the best way to list owner/group?
[00:01] <nacc> palmdk: probably?
[00:08] <palmdk> Okay - i will get to it then. Thank you for the help
[00:09] <Geo> Hi, when clicking in the scroll bar on a window, is there a way to set it to just scroll up a page, rather than jump to the position that matches where in the scroll bar I clicked?
[00:50] <aloo_shu> Geo I think there is (and it may depend on your window manager), but I do not know exactly where to look for the setting. candidates: window appearance, mouse. if you know how to search your desktop environment , try 'scrollbar' or simply ask every 10-20 min until somebody really can help
[00:51] <Geo> I found some related settings in gtk3, but nothing that prevents the 'jump to' feature
[00:51] <Geo> nothing obvious, at least
[01:30] <fishcooker> anyone have the same problem when switching from mysql-server to mariadb-server like this http://vpaste.net/xT4x4?
[01:37] <aloo_shu> Geo what is the flavor/Desktop environment of your ubuntu? I remember I once *could* change this, another one I couldn't .
[01:40] <Vysty> Anyone have a software recommendation for best backing up of files to an external HD? I will be using the external HD simply to back up my files and nothing.
[01:42] <[n0mad]> i just use Backups/deja dup in ubuntu
[01:44] <Geo> aloo_shu, 16.04 / whatever is default
[01:44] <Geo> GNOME, i guess?
[01:45] <Vysty> Yea I'm running 16.04
[01:45] <Vysty> Oh, you were responding to him, oops.
[01:46] <Vysty> I just typed "backup" into my Ubuntu search bar and it popped up with an application called "Backups". I'm guessing this will work just fine?
[01:46] <Vysty> Also, is it worth it to back up the WHOLE system, or just focus on my own particular files?
[01:47] <[n0mad]> i just backup my home directory
[01:47] <[n0mad]> minus some things that i backup elsewhere like music/videos
[01:48] <Vysty> word
[01:56] <aloo_shu> Geo, GNOME/Unity, probably, have only used Xfce and KDE myself lately. just re-ask from beginning
[02:04] <buggaboosanchez> I just installed Open Broadcast Studio ( https://obsproject.com )_  and it is not showing up in my search ( when you hit the widow key on the keyboard and you can search for applications ). What do I do now?
[02:04] <buggaboosanchez> https://askubuntu.com/questions/789857/how-to-install-open-broadcaster-software-obs-on-ubuntu-15-10
[02:06] <buggaboosanchez> It ^ is legitamately installed because I can type "obs" on the command line and get it to launch - just the install does not seem complete ( ie: no icon to click and not showitn up in a seach for the application ).
[02:10] <buggaboosanchez> A google search " open broadcast studio desktop icon " does not include relevant soln that I can find ( there is one soln for windoze but I am not using windoze ).
[02:12] <[n0mad]> I believe you would need to create a .desktop file for the application in /usr/share/applications
[02:13] <[n0mad]> might be able to google 'how to create desktop file ubuntu' to find how that file can be built
[02:13] <aloo_shu> or look at the .desktop files in gedit/text editor
[02:14] <aloo_shu> sudo gedit to be able to later save your 'obs.desktop' in that directory
[02:18] <aloo_shu> boggaboosanchez previous 4 lines were for you, and maybe your menu config (right click on menu icon?) allows adding menu entries by hand, with 'custom command' and optionally icon
[02:20] <aloo_shu> buggaboosanchez you can locate obs pkg in synaptic (if you have it) , select, properties -> installed files, maybe there is a .desktop file, but in the wrong place
[02:22] <stochastix> Is there any reason pertaining to generating locale, that anyone would put LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 and LANG=en_US.UTF-8  inside /etc/environment  ?
[02:22] <buggaboosanchez> aloo_shu: ty. sorry for the delay - I was digging. I see there is a obs.desktop in /usr/share/applications/ and this is the content of mine: https://pastebin.com/S38FwWpE   <---   Is that the right content and is /usr/share/applicatoins/ the right place?
[02:22] <stochastix> Or any reason at all for that matter?
[02:23] <buggaboosanchez> aloo_shu: typing " obs " in terminal proves to be the correct command to launch but I'm not sure about the rest
[02:23] <buggaboosanchez> The comment line is in russian or something
[02:24] <buggaboosanchez> aloo_shu: Is it just the " Icon " line that could make it not show up in an applicatoin search?
[02:26] <aloo_shu> buggaboosanchez let n0mand look at it . have you rebooted/ logged out and in since the install? There is a command that should run automatically, but maybe hasn't, xdg-update something, to make the desktop 'see' new app entries. but still the obs.desktop could be malformed, ask around, I can not say more (on android tablet, me)
[02:27] <aloo_shu> buggaboosanchez let n0mad look at it
[02:27] <kevc45> I'm trying to upgrade my server from 12.04 to 16. I ran apt-get install dist-upgrade and it had some sorta conflict (if someone could find this screen that'd be great) I hit enter. Now lsb_release doesn't work. And I'm still on 12.04
[02:28] <buggaboosanchez> aloo_shu: Ok but I don't think he is online here anymore ( I can not tab complete his name ). I wish I could use the command instead of actually rebooting bc I lose my connection in irc when I do that
[02:28] <buggaboosanchez> thx
[02:29] <Bashing-om> !eol | kevc45
[02:31] <aloo_shu> buggaboosanchez by using tab completion on 'xdg' in a terminal, and by using the man command (man man to learn) , you can figure it out
[02:31] <buggaboosanchez> I'll be back I'm gonna reboot
[02:31] <buggaboosanchez> thx
[02:35] <Jonno_FTW> is it possible to install a .deb file with aptitude?
[02:35] <Jonno_FTW> I have sudo access for make and aptitude only
[02:38] <kevc45> @ubottu : sudo: do-release-upgrade: command not found
[02:39] <buggaboosanchez> Where does the ubuntu application search get its' search terms? I installed Open Broadcast Studio and it does show up in the search ( with icon ) but only under two terms ( and their variants ( eg: " obs " and " open " <-- and variants ). It will not come up with anything beyond " open " in the search ( ie: " open broadcast " or " open broadcast studio " <--  or variants ).
[02:39] <buggaboosanchez> How can I correct that?
[02:40] <buggaboosanchez> I may also be something to do with there being multiple words with spaces?
[02:40] <Bashing-om> kevc45: ' dpkg -l update-manager-core ' . is it installed ?
[02:41] <kevc45> @Bashing-om No packages found matching update-manager-core.
[02:41] <kevc45> cli only server
[02:42] <kevc45> And can't install them
[02:42] <kevc45> https://hastebin.com/herexixamo
[03:02] <aloo_shu> buggaboosanchez again the way the search index is built for desktop search may vary from DE to DE, and even with plugins to search function. You could have a look at the obs.desktop file again and see what the app gives as it's own name. Dunno if .desktop files foresee optional secondary app names. There are fields that influence where an app will show, e.g in multimedia or utilities
[03:03] <aloo_shu> buggaboosanchez but once you have your app with icon, be it in the menu, be it from search, you may be able to just drag it onto the desktop or into the bar at the left or any panel and thus create a 'launcher'
[03:15] <aloo_shu> been logged out 10 min
[05:14] <bemo> newly installed Ubuntu Mate on a VirtualBox VM under Windows, and seeing an odd problem... some of the popular https:// sites I try to go to in firefox are complaining "Your connection is not secure" -- how best to debug?
[05:16] <bemo> note: not all sites complain -- but two big examples: google.com and youtube.com
[05:16] <alkisg> bemo: wrong date?
[05:16] <bemo> date is correct on the VM, and didn't see the same problem in Ubuntu 16.04
[05:17] <alkisg> Did you run `apt update` etc recently?
[05:17] <bemo> mate install was from 17.04-desktop iso
[05:17] <alkisg> There were some certificate updates
[05:18] <bemo> good point... no... let me try that!
[05:18] <bemo> (I did tell it to download updates during install, but I haven't tried updating afterward)
[05:18] <bemo> (I installed it about an hour ago)
[05:21] <bemo> looks like it's updating something... should know soon enough.
[05:21] <bemo> (including a Firefox update)
[05:23] <bemo> I'm also new to Ubuntu Mate, so I'm assuming the "System" -> "Administration" -> "Software Updater" is the same as trying to use the cli "apt update" (which I'm unfamiliar with)
[05:23] <bemo> (new to Ubuntu, in general)
[05:24] <alkisg> bemo: there's also an #ubuntu-mate channel for questions specific to mate
[05:26] <bemo> thank you!
[05:29] <lotuspsychje> bemo: what are you updating?
[05:30] <bemo> everything... just installed a fresh (first time) Ubuntu Mate install, and was having issues with certificate failures for sites like google and youtube
[05:31] <lotuspsychje> bemo: wich ubuntu version are you on exactly?
[05:31] <bemo> ubuntu-mate-17.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[05:33] <lotuspsychje> bemo: can you hastebin the output of sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade ?
[05:33] <alkisg> lotuspsychje: he doesn't have any issues currently, he's just updating...
[05:33] <bemo> was doing it from the GUI, and about to reboot
[05:34] <lotuspsychje> oh
[05:34] <tenemu1> Using Ubuntu16.04:  Can I have two terminal windows open?  I had a django server running in one, opened another terminal and played with some things then everything kinda froze up.
[05:35] <alkisg> tenemu1: sure, you can have as many as you like
[05:35] <tenemu1> Thanks.  With virtual environments, can I run the same one in two terminals?
[05:36] <lotuspsychje> tenemu1: perhaps htop can help find whats cpu high/lagging?
[05:36] <alkisg> tenemu1: whats does "the same one in two terminals" mean?
[05:37] <bemo> tenemu1: probably entirely unrelated, but I've noticed periodic (temporary) freezes when running in VirtualBox, but I suspect it has little to do with Ubuntu, and more to do with my host/Virtualbox.  are you running natively on the hardware?
[05:38] <tenemu1> Note:  I'm a complete newb to linux.  I made a virtual environment for my django project.  I had that activated in one terminal, and ran a local web server.  I opened another terminal and activated that same environment again.  I'm don't completely understand the virtual environments, other than just separating commands to be for that venv only, not my ubuntu OS.
[05:39] <tenemu1> I am running virtual box in windows OS
[05:39] <alkisg> tenemu1: virtual environment is a very generic term
[05:39] <alkisg> Do you mean lxc?
[05:39] <tenemu1> I don't know
[05:39] <tenemu1> python3.6 venv
[05:39] <alkisg> Do you mean apache virtual host?
[05:39] <tenemu1> I don't know.
[05:39] <alkisg> How did you make that environment?
[05:40] <alkisg> How did you "activate" it?
[05:40] <alkisg> Tell us some commands to understand what you mean...
[05:40] <tenemu1> source myenv/bin/activate
[05:40] <tenemu1> myenv is the name i gave it
[05:40] <tenemu1> i made it by:  python3 -m venv myenv
[05:41] <bemo> tenemu1: and do you have a second python virtual environment as well?
[05:41] <gt8ost4l> does anybody here know how to enable openvpn?
[05:41] <lotuspsychje> !vpn | gt8ost4l
[05:42] <tenemu1> bemo,  I have 'myenv' in a folder.  I activated it in one terminal window, then I activated that same 'myenv' in another terminal window.
[05:42] <tenemu1> beyond that I don't know what I'm doing.
[05:42] <alkisg> tenemu1: sounds like your question is about python virtual environments, you could ask in #python about those
[05:42] <glitsj16> tenemu1: why not create and use a second python virtual env
[05:42] <tenemu1> alright. thanks anyways
[05:43] <tenemu1> glitsj16, that's what I was asking originally.  Does running the same one cause issues.
[05:43] <glitsj16> apparently it did
[05:43] <glitsj16> :)
[05:43] <tenemu1> haha
[05:44] <bemo> tenemu1: having two terminals using the same virtual python environment should be fine.
[05:45] <bemo> alkisg: interestingly, I'm still seeing the issue after a reboot... now to try it manually at the cli.
[05:46] <bemo> seems to be up-to-date
[05:47] <alkisg> bemo: what's the exact message that firefox displays there?
[05:48] <alkisg> (and btw why 17.04... :D MATE 16.04 works fine here)
[05:48] <bemo> alkisg: "Your connection is not secure"
[05:48] <alkisg> Doesn't it respond to double clicks or right clicks etc, to show certificate details?
[05:49] <bemo> alkisg: I had some issues with Ubuntu 16.04 where when I tried hiding the panel on the left, I couldn't get it back... found an obscure cli command to fix it, but figured I'd see if mate has similar issues, and figured I'd go with the latest (stable) just in case
[05:50] <alkisg> 17.04 is supported till January, while 16.04 until 2021...
[05:50] <bemo> okay, maybe I should just go back to 16.04 and start over -- might not have this issue, since Ubuntu 16.04 didn't seem to have it either.
[05:51] <alkisg> I wonder if the new certificates were not pushed to 17.04 yet
[05:51] <bemo> unsure. :)
[05:51] <bemo> (I can't imagine I'm the first one to try to go to Google with it though)
[05:52] <alkisg> https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=ca-certificates says all have updated certificates
[05:53] <bemo> alkisg: and yes, to answer your question, there are additional "Advanced" buttons 'n such to try to debug... just not sure how to figure out why google fails and ssllabs doesn't (for example)
[05:53] <lotuspsychje> !info firefox zesty
[05:54] <bemo> (I'm new to this room as well -- but that's cool)  :)
[05:54] <lotuspsychje> bemo: can you try a guest account and a previous kernel perhaps?
[05:55] <bemo> maybe a difference is part of the "This site uses HTTP Strict Transport Security (HSTS) to specify that Firefox may only connect securely. As a result it is not possible to add an exception for this certificate."
[05:56] <bemo> lotuspsychje: guest account had the same problem, and I just installed this today, and it failed... and it failed again after upgrading/rebooting... is there a specific kernel I should be aiming for?  (could the kernel version affect Firefox and it's tls connections?)
[05:57] <lotuspsychje> bemo: not sure, just trying to widen your options
[05:57] <bemo> :)
[05:57] <bemo> thanks!
[05:58] <bemo> I've seen messages about firewalls that do https scanning causing issues, but I don't *think* I have one of those... and as I said earlier... when I tried Ubuntu 16.04, I didn't see this problem -- same Host machine for the two VMs.
[05:58] <lotuspsychje> bemo: got same issues on other browsers?
[05:58] <glitsj16> bemo: have you checked via "apt-cache policy ca-certificates" yet to confirm you actually have the latest security update for that package?
[05:59] <bemo> easiest solution *feels* like going back to the 16.04 version of Mate.
[05:59] <bemo> glitsj16: let me look (unfamiliar with the command, but I'll type it anyway)  :)
[06:00] <glitsj16> bemo: it shows you what versions of a package are available on your system and whether it's installed
[06:00] <bemo> Installed: 20170717~17.04.1
[06:00] <glitsj16> yep, that's the correct version
[06:01] <bemo> glitsj16: thanks
[06:01] <bemo> lotuspsychje: thanks
[06:01] <bemo> alkisg: thanks
[06:01] <bemo> :)
[06:01] <bemo> looks like I have some stuff to go try
[06:01] <alkisg> bemo: np :)
[06:01] <bemo> will come back and bother ya'll another day.
[06:03] <bemo> lotuspsychje: haven't tried other browsers yet, but will probably do that after going to 16.04.  :)
[06:03] <bemo> (if needed)
[06:57] <flux242> do I understand correct that there won't be wayland by default in 17.10?
[07:07] <boblamont> I just right clicked on a directory in Lubuntu to do "open in terminal." It wasn't set, so it popped up a window where, among other things, I could enter the terminal of choice. I typed in LXTerminal. Now when I do "open in terminal" I get the error "Failed to execute child process "LXTerminal" (No such file or directory). Where do I find that window with the choices again (it isn't LXSession configuration)?
[07:07] <glitsj16> flux242: #ubuntu+1 might know
[07:10] <awoserra> someone wanna assist me setting up a persistent liveOS usb key with ubuntu 17.04?
[07:12] <awoserra> i'm trying to do it on an openbsd machine, which is not helping me create ext fs...
[07:17] <Triffid_Hunter> awoserra: got two usb keys? use one for linux liveusb and set the other one up as you desire :P
[07:17] <Triffid_Hunter> awoserra: doing anything interesting under an OS that doesn't understand the filesystems will be problematic
[07:17] <boblamont> ah, PCManFM preferences, go figure
[07:17] <Triffid_Hunter> awoserra: VM would work too I suppose
[07:17] <awoserra> ugh
[07:18] <awoserra> umm, i have to use two usb keys?
[07:18] <awoserra> i can't just make a single usb key with ubuntu on it into a persistent liveos?
[07:18] <Triffid_Hunter> awoserra: well you can dump an image to a disk in any OS, but if you want to move files around within the image, you need something that understands the filesystem
[07:18] <awoserra> yah
[07:19] <awoserra> might there be a way to boot into the liveos on the usb key and then transform it to accommodate persistence from within the live os?
[07:20] <Triffid_Hunter> awoserra: well most of the live key images I've encountered are basically squashfs on iso9660, both of which are write-once filesystems.. you'd need to put an ext4 in free space then unionfs-mount it over root, and somehow insert that into the usb key's canned boot cycle
[07:20] <Triffid_Hunter> or remember to do it manually every boot.. or generate/download a persistent image somehow
[07:21] <awoserra> i wonder why the distro doesn't make an alternate download of an image with memory space for persistence...
[07:21] <awoserra> .would be too convenient i guess :S
[07:23] <alkisg> awoserra: what file system do you have in your hard disk? You can copy the .iso there, and then tell the ubuntu usb stick loader (syslinux) to boot from the .iso on the disk, so that the stick is free to write it with persistence
[07:23] <awoserra> openbsd...
[07:24] <alkisg> That's not a file system
[07:24] <awoserra> it kinda is...
[07:24] <awoserra> openbsd has it's own fs type
[07:24] <alkisg> Can the linux kernel read it?
[07:24] <awoserra> it is not ufs
[07:24] <awoserra> i dunno
[07:24] <awoserra> doubt it
[07:24] <alkisg> OK, start with creating a stick and booting from it
[07:24] <alkisg> Check if you can see any of the disks you have
[07:25] <alkisg> If you can, then you can put the iso there
[07:25] <alkisg> If not, you'll temporarily need a second stick or disk
[07:25] <awoserra> gotcha, i run FDE on my openbsd disks too - might be very hard to read/write anything from another OS
[07:25] <awoserra> openbsd FDE is also not very standard
[07:26] <awoserra> i'll be back with two sticks ;)
[07:26] <awoserra> tyvm ^ ^
[08:16] <_ikke_> We are trying installing a (3rd-party) package, which depends on apache2|httpd on 16.04. We have installed nginx, which should provide httpd, but when we install the package, it still pulls in apache2. Any idea why / how we can prevent it?
[08:17] <_ikke_> On 14.04, it does not install apache2, only on 16.04
[08:53] <alkisg> Isn't everyone affected by https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/1720908 ?
[09:03] <glitsj16> _ikke_: have you tried running apt-get with the --no-install-recommends flag yet?
[09:13] <sigurdson> Anyone know how to install the best codecs pack so i can play files in VLC, or another player?
[09:18] <georgemp> Hi. I had a Ubuntu VM running in VirtualBox. I was using ferm to control my firewall, and it was working just fine. There is a line in my ferm.conf that opens a port for incoming connections and it changes (depending on the port my VPN host assigns me). So, I'd just go into the ferm.conf file, change the port and restart ferm with "sudo service ferm restart"
[09:18] <bazhang> sigurdson, smplayer, mpv, x264 for starters
[09:19] <bazhang> sigurdson, do you already have ubuntu-restricted-extras
[09:19] <georgemp> However, recently I migrated the VPN to VMWare. Now, when I do "sudo service ferm restart", it no longer uses the new port value in ferm.conf, but, keeps the old one. any idea why this would be?
[09:19] <bazhang> georgemp, isnt that a better question for #vmware
[09:20] <georgemp> I've tried "sudo iptables -F" and also "rm /var/cache/ferm/*"
[09:20] <georgemp> bazhang: i'm not sure it's vmware that's causing this
[09:20] <georgemp> perhaps i've messed something else up in the ubunutu config
[09:20] <georgemp> and not realized it..dunno
[09:21] <georgemp> migrated VPN to VMWare, should be migrated VM to VMWare
[10:13] <rory> With sed or similar, how can I add a / character to the end of each line of a file, if there is not already one there
[10:13] <rory> if there is already one there, it shouldn't add a second one
[10:14] <alkisg> try `sed 's/[^\]$/\/' -i file`
[10:14] <alkisg>  `sed 's/[^/]$/\/' -i file`
[10:14] <alkisg> ^/ means not slash, and $ is the end of line
[10:18] <jink> You're not required to use / as separator.  's,[^/]$,&/,'  is easier on the eyes.
[10:21] <jink> rory: ^^^
[10:23] <jink> It doesn't add slashes to empty lines, though.
[10:25] <jink> rory: sed -e 's,^\(.*[^/]\|\)$,&/,'
[10:26] <_ikke_> glitsj16: yes, we have, but it's not a recommends in this package, but an actual dependency
[10:31] <gabboman> Hi, I have a problem with libreoffice in ubuntu. It's an exclusive problem from ubuntu: when I open a document it seems to be with other fonts. In fedora, or windows or even mac it does not happends
[10:31] <gabboman> It's exclusive to ubuntu, because if I open the same file in fedora/windows using libreoffice I get the same problem
[10:34] <_ikke_> gabboman: can it be that you are missing the font being used?
[10:34] <gabboman> It's the default font
[10:35] <gabboman> the funny thing is that in fedora/winbugs/macOS, it works out of the box
[10:35] <gabboman> but not in ubuntu, in fact I see the document different there
[10:36] <glitsj16> _ikke_: odd, I can't see why it acts like that.. there's a crude workaround though: edit the .deb file's control info manually and take out the apache2 stuff
[11:33] <nsap> Hello, any idea why Ctrl+Alt+Arrows doesn't switch workspaces anymore? It used to work until yesterday. I have tried with a guest session and it works fine, so I guess there is a problem in my config files but I can't find it. Workspaces are enabled, keyboard works, keyboard layout is the right one. How can I restore normal behavior without blindly
[11:33] <nsap>  erasing all of .config?
[11:41] <seven-eleven> hi
[11:41] <seven-eleven> should i use /etc/network/interfaces or /etc/network/if-up.d/custom_routes to add my persisten routes
[11:43] <Ben64> if you're using a network manager, use that
[11:44] <Ben64> otherwise, i'd use interfaces file
[11:44] <seven-eleven> i use interfaces to configure my network, not NetworkManager
[11:44] <Ben64> there you go
[11:45] <seven-eleven> i tried interfaces, rebooted but `ip rules` and `ip routes` weren't applied :|
[11:45] <Ben64> probably didn't do it properly then
[11:46] <seven-eleven> Ben64, that's how i did it http://dpaste.com/21SSRAY
[11:46] <seven-eleven> below the # custom comment, is what i added myself
[11:47] <Ben64> that syntax is unknown to me
[11:48] <Toba> Man... ever since I started plugging in an external 4k display my applications have been acting really weird
[11:49] <Toba> they actually scattered themselves over multiple workspaces, when I never did that with them
[11:49] <Toba> I started them all in workspace 1 and didn't move them
[11:49] <Ben64> seven-eleven: this is what i've got... https://hastebin.com/ifajiqonat.bash
[11:50] <Toba> Unplug monitor because I can't find my apps (they keep getting "placed" outside of the non-rectangular actual display area and unplugging the monitor used to put them all within the pixels of my laptop screen. But today they got put all over the 4 virtual workspaces
[11:50] <oerheks> sure it is eth0, not the new interface naming?
[11:50] <Toba> and some of them wouldn't go back to workspace one
[11:50] <Toba> I'd do alt+space, select the workspace moving option, and nothing would happen
[11:51] <seven-eleven> Ben64, ah that looks better, let me substitutes up with post-up, :-)
[11:55] <seven-eleven> Ben64, now it worked, thanks!
[11:58] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:05] <seven-eleven> o/ BluesKaj
[12:05] <BluesKaj> seven-eleven, o/
[12:17] <DavidFromBE> hi, where do i find apt sources for wily (even if eol) ?
[12:18] <Sicnus> Having a bit of an issue getting wireless to work on 17.04.  How can I ascertain the wireless adapter I have?   I've tried to check dmesg but can't grok what is the actual adapter.
[12:23] <DavidFromBE> http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/ ok found it
[12:26] <Sicnus> Google knew...  https://askubuntu.com/questions/902992/ubuntu-gnome-17-04-wi-fi-not-working-mac-address-keeps-changing/905019#905019  ;)
[12:30] <shyamsk> So I had successfully dual booted Win10 and Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS, after which, I decided to update and upgrade. Then I'd shut down the system, but now it won't boot anymore. Its similar to https://askubuntu.com/questions/948386/acpi-error-while-installing-ubuntu-16-04-on-dual-boot-with-windows-10 issue (I ask as I see this is unanswered). I tried chrooting and installing couple of linux-images (a few from
[12:30] <shyamsk> 4.8, 4.10 and even 4.11) but while I was able to boot into Ubuntu, I no longer had any hardware drivers (no ethernet/Wifi, display was glitched, and the mouse pointer was just jumping from point to point, rather than tracing the path). So how would I go about fixing this issue? What should I be tinkering with to fix this?
[12:37] <shyamsk_mobile> So does anyone have an idea about my previous query? (asking again since I've switched nicks)
[12:39] <BluesKaj> shyamsk_mobile, perhaps if you ask again you might get an answer
[12:43] <linuxlove> hi
[12:43] <linuxlove> i have ubuntu installed on my system
[12:43] <linuxlove> how can i install windows ?
[12:44] <linuxlove> i need to have dual boot
[12:44] <linuxlove> how can i do it ?
[12:46] <n35xdxb0> i'm genuinely interested as to why this happens. my dpkg/apt is locked. i've done   pgrep -f 'dpkg|apt'  and i get two PIDs returned (one for the command, one for process).  i've done   top -b -n 1 | grep 'dpkg|apt'   and i can clearly see 'apt-get' is running.  now i've done    sudo kill PID    aswell as  sudo pkill apt-get; sudo killall apt-get     i kow i can resolve the issue by deleting the lock file. i
[12:46] <n35xdxb0> just don't understand why i can't kill the process?
[12:48] <shyamsk_mobile> Blu
[12:52] <BluesKaj> n35xdxb0, open system monitor to see which apt pid is running and see if you can terminate it there
[12:53] <n35xdxb0> BluesKaj: thanks! will try
[12:53] <BluesKaj> n35xdxb0, unless you have the package manager open
[12:55] <hateball> !fixapt | n35xdxb0
[12:56] <n35xdxb0> BluesKaj: this is actually the first time it's happened. my first thought is always to close package manager. i know i could reboot, but just interested to find out what's happening
[12:56] <n35xdxb0> ubottu: didn't know about tht command thanks, trying now
[12:57] <n35xdxb0> BlackDex: tht bot command worked! great. thanks hateball ! (and ubottu :)
[12:59] <hateball> n35xdxb0: :)
[13:01] <haymi> i have hp laptoop with ubuntu 16.04.1 and  my blooth device is not working any help
[13:01] <haymi> ?
[13:05] <hateball> haymi: first, update so you are on 16.04.3
[13:05] <hateball> haymi: What bluetooth device is this? Run "lsusb" in a terminal and it should show
[13:05] <nsap> Hello, any idea why Ctrl+Alt+Arrows doesn't switch workspaces anymore? It used to work until yesterday. I have tried with a guest session and it works fine, so I guess there is a problem in my config files but I can't find it. Workspaces are enabled, keyboard works, keyboard layout is the right one. How can I restore normal behavior without blindly
[13:05] <nsap>  erasing all of .config? (I asked before but then my connection was reset, sorry for asking again)
[13:09] <haymi> hateball:i already update and f for lsbusb http://paste.ubuntu.com/25666851/
[13:10] <hateball> haymi: There's no physical BT switch on the laptop? As I cannot see the device there
[13:10] <hateball> haymi: check with "lspci" also but usually it is connected over usb
[13:11] <hateball> haymi: and how did you update? If you are fully updated it should show .3 if you run "cat /etc/issue"
[13:12] <haymi> hateball:sudo apt-get update
[13:13] <haymi> hateball: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25666875/
[13:17] <hateball> haymi: update will only look for updates, not do any
[13:18] <hateball> haymi: you will want to run "sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade"
[13:19] <haymi> hateball: does it deletes file and program if i  did upgrade
[13:19] <hateball> haymi: No :D
[13:19] <oaulakh> how to kill some port process? in ubuntu
[13:20] <hateball> haymi: and it wont upgrade to Ubuntu 17.04 or anything, it will just make sure what you have installed has security updates applied
[13:20] <hateball> haymi: Also, since you have Ralink chipset... There may be some need to sacrifice a small animal to get things working
[13:20] <hateball> haymi: I kid. But they can be iffy.
[13:20] <haymi> hateball: :D
[13:21] <hateball> haymi: What you can also try, after first making sure you are fully up-to-date, is use !hwe to get a later kernel which might have better support
[13:21] <hateball> !hwe | haymi
[13:28] <haymi> hateball: i did update  but at the end i get  this kind of error am sory iam new to ubuntu  i am not expert http://paste.ubuntu.com/25666936/ , but when i chek  cat /etc/issue i get " Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS \n \l"
[13:32] <kevc45> After I upgraded my server from 12->14->16.04 I lost ssh access. When I try and connect with Putty I get: "server protocol violation unexpected ssh2_msg_unimplemented packet". However I can still access my server using my host's web console.
[13:32] <alexac> I messed up my iptables and now some software have difficulties to connect to servers, how can I reconfigure it do default system settings, Ubuntu 17
[13:40] <n35xdxb0> hi,  i know that    dpkg -l searchterm   and   apt list --installed    exit. when i search for packages i tend to do    apt-cache search mysearchterm     what i'd like to do, is to be able to colour-code (link inxi) the results, to see which i've already installed
[13:40] <n35xdxb0> if anyone can point me in the direction of writing a script for that, would be great
[13:41] <n35xdxb0> exist*
[13:41] <n35xdxb0> like inxi*
[13:45] <hateball> haymi: did you reboot after upgrading?
[13:57] <n35xdxb0> ignore my question before, found a hacky way of doing more or less what i wanted    apt list | grep -v installed | grep mysearchterm    which basically allows me to search only the packages i haven't installed yet
[14:00] <leftyfb> n35xdxb0: apt list --installed
[14:00] <leftyfb> oh, grep -v
[14:00] <leftyfb> ignore me ;)
[14:02] <n35xdxb0> leftyfb: ye, turns out that the options for  apt list  are --upgradeable --installed and --all-versions, there's no  --notinstalled ... :) hence the reverse grep. should do the trick.
[14:03] <leftyfb> n35xdxb0: I don't think that's going to do what you think
[14:18] <n35xdxb0> leftyfb: just saved a function for it.  i'm just happy with being to grep through a list of the packages i haven't installed. when searching with apt-cache show packagename, i would found it a little annoying tht there was no option to only search through packages i hadn't installed
[14:18] <leftyfb> n35xdxb0: care to share you function on pastebin?
[14:19] <n35xdxb0> leftyfb: ye
[14:19] <n35xdxb0> http://dpaste.com/2ZN2HH9
[14:19] <n35xdxb0> now i just type   mani bluetooth   for instance
[14:19] <n35xdxb0> leftyfb: i welcome any suggestions, of course
[14:20] <leftyfb> it doesn't colorize anything
[14:24] <n35xdxb0> leftyfb: oh no, haha, tht was the ambitious plan. i was thinking of doing a loop through the lines of two separate outputs, then use comp to compare which lines were similar or not, then colourising according to if statements etc. but then i thought 'ah whatever, this is good enough' :D
[14:25] <n35xdxb0> leftyfb: if your script-fu is better than mine, and you have a few tips, i'd definitely like to do it
[14:25] <leftyfb> n35xdxb0: I'd probably do the same thing as you suggested
[14:27] <n35xdxb0> leftyfb: it must be doable. when i send inxi -fxz with the -c0 option to the pastebin, i can can see the colour codes etc. only issue was how to set the match between two lines
[14:28] <n35xdxb0> and sorting
[14:28] <n35xdxb0> *inxi -Fxz
[14:29] <n35xdxb0> ok, i've gotta do it now don't it. brb
[14:31] <n35xdxb0> leftyfb: other issue is i get a warning everytime when combining apt and grep. about apt not being stable for CLI. i.e. i shouldn't be using apt in a script
[14:36] <Mehrzad> Hi. browser sound streaming works in one browser firefox, but not in another one, opera. what can be the reason?
[14:38] <kevc45> After I upgraded my server from 14->16.04 I lost ssh access. When I try and connect with Putty I get: "server protocol violation unexpected ssh2_msg_unimplemented packet". However I can still access my server using my host's web console.
[14:40] <SwedeMike> kevc45: https://superuser.com/questions/1013015/i-keep-on-getting-a-error-when-i-connect-to-a-ssh-tunnel-on-putty
[14:41] <SwedeMike> kevc45: "I got a similar error on 0.63 ... upgrading to 0.67 made it go away."  what version of putty are you using?
[14:55] <kevc45> @SwedeMike Thanks. I was using a Putty version from 2014...
[15:08] <egelor> hi i got a problem with jacktrip and i need help
[15:08] <egelor> https://pastebin.com/aVGb61bX
[15:10] <egelor> uname -a
[15:10] <egelor> Linux NeuroN 4.4.0-96-lowlatency #119-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT Tue Sep 12 16:24:26 UTC 2017 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[15:10] <Tempus2> Hi, I am trying to run Ubuntu off a usb-stick. It works fine, and Ubuntu connects to the wired network connection automatically, but Firefox doesn't want to connect to any urls.
[15:10] <Tempus2> Where should I start looking for what's wrong?
[15:10] <egelor> Tempus2: check the file /etc/resolvconf
[15:10] <tgm4883> Tempus2: can you run 'nslookup google.com'
[15:11] <egelor> insert nameserver 8.8.8.8
[15:11] <Tempus2> I would have to reboot into Ubuntu to try that.
[15:12] <tgm4883> egelor: that's  bandaid solution
[15:27] <Tempus2> nslookup google.com timed out.
[15:28] <leftyfb> Tempus2: can you ping your gateway?
[15:29] <Tempus2> I haven't tried. How do I find the IP of my gateway?
[15:30] <leftyfb> Tempus2: it's your router.
[15:31] <leftyfb> Tempus2: maybe try: route -n|grep ^0.0.0.0 |awk '{print $2}'
[15:31] <Tempus2> It's IP v6
[15:31] <Tempus2> Do I just replace the Ipv4 with v6?
[15:32] <leftyfb> Tempus2: your home router is giving out ipv6 ip's?
[15:32] <Tempus2> Yes
[15:33] <Tempus2> I see that I am IP v4 here on IRC though.
[15:33] <n35xdxb0> leftyfb: this works for me, now i just type     aptsearch  pkgname   and i see what i want    there are actually many ways of doing this. only issue is that i can't suppress the warning message
[15:33] <n35xdxb0> leftyfb: https://pastebin.com/dS6PVwQ2
[15:33] <n35xdxb0> for the function
[15:33] <Tempus2> If I do ipconfig in Windows, it states: Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : fe80::cad7:19ff:fee9:33f0%2
[15:34] <n35xdxb0> leftyfb: here's an image of the command output  https://i.imgur.com/wSxD7W6.png
[15:35] <leftyfb> Tempus2: nmcli d show |grep -i gateway
[15:35] <leftyfb> Tempus2: then that is your gateway ... see if you can ping it. I'm not sure how ping works with ipv6. I have yet to play with ipv6 at all
[15:36] <Tempus2> Let me boot back into Ubuntu. Once i get the connection up, I won't have to reboot back and forth.
[15:36] <leftyfb> n35xdxb0: nice
[15:36] <n35xdxb0> leftyfb: ;)  (the function is pretty messy though. and those warning messages are ugly. will improve it as i go along)
[15:37] <nacc> n35xdxb0: probably the warning goes to stderr
[15:37] <nacc> n35xdxb0: but it's a legit warning from apt proper (you might use apt-cache instead, which does have a stable cli API)
[15:37] <n35xdxb0> nacc: ye. i was just reading up about tht. any chance you could give me a quick tip? the warning is because of using grep and apt, and i use it twice. so i get two warnings
[15:38] <nacc> n35xdxb0: apt ... 2>/dev/null | grep
[15:38] <nacc> n35xdxb0: although that means if apt throws an error you will also get no message
[15:38] <nacc> n35xdxb0: so it's not recommended
[15:38] <n35xdxb0> nacc: great, i definitely know tht this shouldn't be used for scripting. but this is just for personal use and learning purposes. thanks ;)
[15:39] <nacc> n35xdxb0: you could do, somethign like apt ... 2>&1 | grep -v <message> -e -v <message> ...
[15:39] <leftyfb> nacc: ah, that warning is stderr?
[15:39] <n35xdxb0> nacc: i tried that! haha, adding another inverse grep. not only did it make it messier, also didn't work :(
[15:40] <nacc> leftyfb: well, funnily enough in 17.10 it's no longer emits that message :)
[15:40] <nacc> leftyfb: i'm guessing because it's officially stable in 1.5?
[15:40] <leftyfb> hoping it's got some more features too
[15:40] <nacc> probably
[15:41] <nacc> n35xdxb0: did you redirect stderr to stdout first?
[15:42] <Cooler> how do you get rid of the permanent black bar on top?
[15:42] <Cooler> and change the taskbar to be on the bottom?
[15:42] <Cooler> basically more like a windows setup
[15:42] <Cooler> 16.04 lts
[15:43] <leftyfb> Cooler: http://bfy.tw/EGhd
[15:46] <rond_> Hi! My wifi on ubuntu isn't working. lshw -C network returns: "-network UNCLAIMED             description: Network controller        product: BCM4352 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter (...)". How could I fix it? I tried sudo apt-get install bcmwl-kernel-source && sudo modprobe wl, but it returned: modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'wl': Required key not available
[15:46] <rond_> (Ubuntu 16.04)
[15:48] <n35xdxb0> nacc: warning messages are gone! perfect. thank you so much nacc. i can see myself using this quite a bit. i've wanting to do this for a while, and just never bothred to
[15:48] <n35xdxb0> https://pastebin.com/tJDtGPW8
[15:49] <nacc> n35xdxb0: np
[15:49] <nacc> n35xdxb0: although, i'm a bit confused why you have a single & in the middel
[15:50] <Tempus2> Okay, I used both last commands and the route-command didn't do anything. The nmcli showed an IP-address.
[15:50] <nacc> n35xdxb0: that backgrounds the grep, afaict
[15:50] <bubbely> can i ask about PDFTK here?
[15:50] <n35xdxb0> nacc: ye, that's a hack. :)  i just wanted the colouring from grep. not the actual elimination. there's another way of doing it by setting a color variable but it just wasn't giving me what i wanted
[15:51] <n35xdxb0> nacc: i'll def be looking to improve it
[15:51] <Hans-Martin> since this channel supports only up to 17.04, where do I go to talk about 17.10?
[15:51] <nacc> !ubuntu+1 | Hans-Martin
[15:51] <Hans-Martin> thx!
[15:51] <nacc> n35xdxb0: ok
[15:52] <tomeaton17> I am using the work around to set the title on gnome-terminal. https://pastebin.com/xD3G0kAg is the code for the set title command. Is it possible to use this command in a bash script? My attempts so far have errored saying command not found.
[15:52] <n35xdxb0> nacc: and when i use dpkg and aptitude, the output wasn't the same. i.e. dpkg doesn't provide full list of repository packages, with [installed] stated next to each line. and aptitude provides a loong list. for all architectures
[15:53] <nacc> n35xdxb0: dpkg doesn't know what a repository is
[15:54] <Cooler> leftyfb, you guys still on windows 7?
[15:54] <Cooler> that is so old
[15:54] <leftyfb> Cooler: who is "you guys"?
[15:54] <n35xdxb0> nacc: well i've definitely learn a lot about the diff between dpkg, apt, apt-get, apt-cache, aptitude, there's even apt-mark. worthwhile couple of hours
[15:54] <n35xdxb0> learned*
[15:54] <nacc> n35xdxb0: yep, it is good to understand them all
[15:57] <leftyfb> Cooler: to clarify, I typed "Ubuntu 16.04 look like Windows" into google and it added 7 at the end. I debated removing it and giving you those results but I figured anyone looking to take a step back and make their linux desktop look like Windows, isn't usually on the cutting edge of things because they don't know how to adapt to change. So I left it there. Also, they would probably google for these types of things on their own.
[15:58] <n35xdxb0> leftyfb: loool
[15:58] <kostkon> n35xdxb0, man is your friend
[15:58] <n35xdxb0> kostkon: thanks :)
[15:59] <nacc> Cooler: to be honest, unless you have a really strong reason to do so, it's easier/better/simpler to just learn to use whatever DE you chooose rather than tweaking it to look like somethig else
[16:00] <Cooler> leftyfb, i don't call a permanent black bar on top of your screen a step forward
[16:01] <n35xdxb0> Cooler: there's not need to be flippant. if you feel like going back to windows, you're free to pay to do so
[16:01] <leftyfb> Cooler: you mean the menu bar?
[16:01] <leftyfb> it's more a dark gray :)
[16:01] <kostkon> Cooler, as opposed to a blue one on the bottom?
[16:02] <leftyfb> sorry, "panel bar"
[16:02] <sud0x3> Cooler: oppose to the permentant task bar windows has had since 95, is your problme with the colour
[16:02] <Cooler> sud0x3, its not permanent, you can remove it
[16:02] <Cooler> in ubuntu you have 2 instead of one, a taskbar and a black bar on top
[16:02] <leftyfb> Cooler: not without installing 3rd party tools
[16:03] <Cooler> leftyfb, no 3rd party tools necessary
[16:03] <leftyfb> or messing with the registry
[16:03] <sud0x3> Cooler: what is your problem, if you want to make linux look like windows yor going to have a hard time, keeping up, besides which windows will you choose xp style, windows7, window 8, 10
[16:03] <Cooler> nope
[16:03] <Cooler> easy menu option
[16:03] <leftyfb> great
[16:03] <Michalis> Hello, everyone.
[16:03] <sud0x3> Cooler: you can hide it from view
[16:03] <leftyfb> Cooler: Is there anything else we can help you with?
[16:04] <nsap> Hello everybody, any idea on why woudln't (all of a sudden) Ctrl Alt Arrow swap workspace? (workspaces are enabled, keyboard works, other hotkeys work, this same hotkey works to other users)
[16:04] <leftyfb> Cooler: the link I gave you (or some slightly modified version it) should have plenty of instructions on making Ubuntu look infer.... like Windows
[16:07] <sud0x3> nsap: Did you install any applications that make use of global hotkeys / keybindings. If so they may be hooking the key before gnome gets a hold of them.
[16:08] <Michalis> Hello, I installed ubuntu 14 on a laptop and I accidentally didn't noticed the autofilled Username bracket. Instead I just filled the 'Your name' field and now I can't log in. Can anyone help me with that? Thanks in advance.
[16:09] <tgm4883> Michalis: what did you try for your username? I think it just defaults to your firstname
[16:09] <nsap> sud0x3: no, it has happened without any intervention I can think of. The only thing that I think may be related is a "killall compiz" that I used at some point earlier today to resolve a frozen desktop
[16:09] <tgm4883> Michalis: if you don't know, you can boot into recovery and look at the directory names in /home
[16:09] <nsap> sud0x3: actually, I would even just like to know what's the minimum amount of .config files I can remove to see if it reverts to normal
[16:09] <tgm4883> !recovery | Michalis
[16:09] <Michalis> It stills requires username and pass
[16:10] <tgm4883> Michalis: recovery mode does not require username and pass
[16:10] <leftyfb> Michalis: out of curiosity, why did you install 14.04 and not 16.04?
[16:10] <Michalis> Because I already had that on an old DVD
[16:10] <Michalis> I think you can update thourgh the OS, don't you?
[16:11] <leftyfb> Michalis: sure, but it would be a lot easier to just download the iso and image a cd or usb key
[16:11] <tgm4883> Michalis: so either boot into recovery and look or since this is a fresh install you could just reinstall
[16:11] <Michalis> Oh and about my previous question, I typed my name and the username was autofilled
[16:12] <sud0x3> nsap: I dont think killing compix would have mad any difference, im not sure gnome used plain .config files for configuration i may be wrong though. Have you tried a fresh session/login
[16:12] <tgm4883> Michalis: boot into recovery and look at the home directories
[16:12] <Michalis> Okay, thanks.
[16:12] <tgm4883> Michalis: they will be named the same as your user
[16:13] <nsap> sud0x3: I have rebooted, logged off and on, with no luck. However, if I start a guest session it's not affected.
[16:13] <nsap> sud0x3: also I've got this strange behaviour of ctrl+Alt+←↓→↑ in Gnome Terminal: they basically type out "ABCD"
[16:14] <nsap> sud0x3: and in Eclipse Ctrl+Alt+↓↑ results in line duplication
[16:14] <tgm4883> nsap: is one of your other keys "stuck down"
[16:15] <tgm4883> contrary to popular belief, things don't "just happen" randomly on computers unless it's environmental
[16:15] <nsap> tgm4883: no, I've also tried with a different keyboard. Also, Ctrl+Alt+T summons the terminal as expected, and arrows work fine as well.
[16:16] <nsap> tgm4883: I know things don't happen randomly, I'm saying that there is no obvious reason and the actual reason may be hidden
[16:16] <adrian_1908> On vanilla Ubuntu, If I uninstall ufw, can I assume that no iptables rules will be executed at bootup?
[16:16] <nacc> adrian_1908: no?
[16:16] <nacc> adrian_1908: not sure why that would be a valid assumptio
[16:17] <tgm4883> adrian_1908: I don't believe that to be true. Removing ufw doesn't install iptables. You could just disable ufw
[16:17] <tgm4883> doesn't uninstall*
[16:17] <nsap> tgm4883: here you can see what investigation have I done so far https://askubuntu.com/questions/961565/ctrlaltarrow-switch-workspace-stopped-working-even-if-workspaces-are-enabled
[16:19] <adrian_1908> nacc, tgm4883: What might be a source of iptables rules in that case, NetworkManager? From what I understand, the default ruleset when not touching anything is to "allow everything" basically.
[16:19] <nacc> adrian_1908: LXD does some stuff
[16:19] <tgm4883> nsap: FWIW, I can reproduce your issue if I hold ctrl+alt+super+ arrow keys to get ABCD printed to terminal
[16:19] <sud0x3> nsap: Very strange, have you checked you keyboad settings
[16:19] <nacc> adrian_1908: but there could be many things, it feels like a bad assumptionn
[16:19] <tgm4883> adrian_1908: what are you trying to fix...
[16:20] <nsap> tgm4883: that's interesting... however it doesn't appear that I've my Super key held down because it also works as  expected
[16:21] <nsap> sud0x3: yup, it was English (UK) and it stayed the same. My physical keyboard setting matches the system one.
[16:21] <adrian_1908> nacc: yeah, I asked in the LXC forum a few minutes ago. I know that "ufw disable" gets rid of any rules (maybe flushes them on startup?), but was wondering if removing ufw is fine, since I never use it. I don't see any rules beyond what LXC might have caused, but was wondering in general.
[16:21] <tgm4883> nsap: maybe someone else will have some idea. I'd ask what changed since it worked
[16:22]  * tgm4883 still thinks disabling the FW is a bad practice
[16:22] <adrian_1908> I'd like to no have rules written if possible, instead of clearing them. But from what I understand, privileged processes may execute its own, right?
[16:23] <sud0x3> nsap: Okay im stumped. Why did you kill compiz?
[16:23] <adrian_1908> tgm4883: I've been using nftables for a while now. I had set "ufw disable" so far to not have any duplicate rules or similar.
[16:24] <nsap> sud0x3: system was unresponsive at startup for unknown reason, I usually do that to "revamp" the UI
[16:25] <adrian_1908> Or differently put: Do I need to have ufw installed to "disable" the firewall, or can I just not have ufw installed in the first place?
[16:25] <nsap> tgm4883: I have tried Ctrl+Alt+→ with the on screen keyboard, it didn't work but I'm not sure wheter it's supposed to work
[16:26] <nacc> adrian_1908: you can have ufw installed or not, enabled or not, and that doesnt' tell you if you have a firewall running
[16:26] <tgm4883> nsap: yes it should work
[16:26] <nacc> adrian_1908: it feels like you're assuming there is only one tool to do somethig
[16:26] <nacc> adrian_1908: and Linux is almost always the polar opposite :)
[16:26] <tgm4883> ufw isn't a firewall...
[16:26] <nacc> tgm4883: well, using the term generally, as the pkg description itself does
[16:27] <adrian_1908> nacc: yeah that's my problem. I don't want iptables rules to be created by processes if I use nftables.
[16:27] <nsap> tgm4883: do you know in what folder user pref are stored for unity?
[16:27] <nacc> adrian_1908: i think you would have to disable iptables itself then
[16:27] <tgm4883> nacc: sorry, I wasn't disagreeing with you. I was just adding that if you removing a configuration tool for the firewall, that doesn't also remove the firewall
[16:28] <tgm4883> adrian_1908: then remove iptables?
[16:28] <tgm4883> nsap: That's actually a good test. If you fire up a guest session does it work?
[16:29] <nsap> tgm4883: yes it does work, that's why I'm looking for solutions in the user space
[16:29] <tgm4883> nsap: ah, interesting
[16:29] <cristian_c> hello
[16:29] <tgm4883> nsap: it's going to be either .local or .config (or maybe both
[16:30] <cristian_c> I've a ite 9135 dvb chip (with remote control), it uses dvb-afatech9035 driver, and i've typed sudo ir-keytable
[16:30] <adrian_1908> nacc, tgm4883: Ok. I'll try removing it and see if anything breaks.
[16:30] <cristian_c> ir-keytable and evtest perform successfully keypresses on the remote control. Unfortunately, enabled protocol field is empty and if I try to configure shortcuts in kaffeine, many keys don't work
[16:30] <cristian_c> I've tried to modprobe some nec modules, because the remote control support the nec protocol, but I don't know how to solve the issue
[16:30] <cristian_c> any ideas?
[16:32] <nacc> tgm4883: ah yeah :)
[16:41] <sud0x3> nacc: id backup your ~/.config and ~/.local if your abot to delete them
[16:41] <nacc> sud0x3: ?
[16:43] <sud0x3> nacc: Ignore me i  misread
[16:44] <nacc> sud0x3: np
[16:44] <sud0x3> /
[16:45] <sud0x3> oh no wait tgm4883 did advise you that config files are held under .config and .local folders
[16:45] <tgm4883> sud0x3: you're looking for nsap  not nacc
[16:45] <nacc> sud0x3: yes, sorry, i just meant i think you had the wrong person
[16:46] <sud0x3> nsap: ^
[16:46] <sud0x3> cheers nacc tgm4883 i didnt notice was using autocomplete.
[16:51] <nsap> tgm4883: sud0x3: yes I'll backup those folder and restart the session later
[17:02] <SlowRichard> quit
[17:14] <saml> without rebuilding a package, libogg (which has a conflicting file with libogg0),   how can I replace libogg0 with libogg?
[17:16] <wtalleghany> Greetings folks
[17:16] <crypto420> Hey everyone i got a problem
[17:17] <crypto420> Hi
[17:19] <alkisg> !ask | crypto420
[17:23] <crypto_> hello everyone
[17:26] <crypto_> Hi\
[17:37] <tgm4883> saml: you seem to ask the same question every day. If you just rebuilt the package you'd be done by now
[17:45] <saml> tgm4883, rebuilding would be crazy
[17:45] <saml> apt-get install -y --force-yes -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-overwrite"     this seems to work
[17:46] <tgm4883> saml: yes that would work, just don't come back with broken stuff now
[17:46] <saml> rebuilding is a bit of work with current build system. i'm trying easy way out
[17:46] <saml> yeah. it leaves a broken system
[17:48] <nacc> saml: everything you are trying to do is unsupported, so it feels like it's offtopic for the support channel
[17:48] <saml> ah i see. sorry
[17:49] <saml> actual problem is getting up to date ffmpeg (with all security patches applied) on trusty
[17:50] <nacc> saml: given that ffmpeg is nnot available in trusty, that's all offtopic\
[17:50] <saml> ah i see.  i guess that's why ffmpeg is private package
[17:51] <nacc> saml: you mean a PPA?
[17:51] <nacc> saml: or use 16.04, which does have ffmpeg
[17:51] <saml> no, inside our enterprise
[17:52] <nacc> well even more important than, it's not the community's job to support your private pacakges
[17:52] <nacc> *then
[18:01] <eelstrebor> i don't know if these ppa's for video are causing problems but it seems that my 2 gigabyte z97-hd3 boards are having major problems when switching from full screen to normal
[18:02] <eelstrebor> my laptops don't seem to have any problems like this
[18:11] <crypto_> hi
[19:00] <chotaz> hello everyone, I've decided to give 17.10b2 a spin and my laptop keeps freezing at the plymouth splash whenever I try to restart or shutdown the machine. I tried switching to texhere are X jobs pending. How can I find out what's causing this?
[19:01] <chrisml> how can i get a list of file names only with `ls`?
[19:01] <chotaz>  chrisml not sure I understand the question, `ls` by itself only returns the names of the files and folders
[19:02] <chrisml> nevermind i'm dumb :D
[19:02] <chrisml> ls -a
[19:11] <Bashing-om> !17.10 | chotaz
[19:11] <chotaz> Bashing-om: thanks for pointing it out, I noticed i was in the wrong channel too and fw'd my question to +1
[19:12] <Bashing-om> chotaz: Good man :)
[19:16] <cristian_c> Bashing-om: I've looked at /sys/class/thermal
[19:18] <cristian_c> Bashing-om: inside thermal directory, no thermal_zone* sub-directories
[19:19] <cristian_c> but cooling_device* directories from 0 to 4
[19:20] <ioria> cristian_c, ls -l /sys/class/thermal   ; they are sym link to dirs
[19:21] <cristian_c> with all the directories including cur_state file having always '0' value and max_state file having always '10' value
[19:24] <masterasia> Why does cd - return me to my previous directory
[19:24] <masterasia> what exactly is '-'
[19:24] <masterasia> I have checked the manpages - nothing mentions this
[19:25] <ioria> masterasia, https://askubuntu.com/questions/409121/what-does-cd-cd-hyphen-do
[19:26] <masterasia> interesting thank you
[19:26] <ioria> np
[19:26] <cristian_c> Bashing-om: and  'type' file having 'Processor' value, except the cooling_device4 that has got 'cur_state' value of always 48, 'max_state' of always value '50' and 'type' file having value 'LCD'
[19:28] <heywood> i have a watchdog script running on a remote machine (Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS) that is supposed email me under certain conditions. the relevant line in the script: 'tail logfile.log | mail -s "(subject line)" my_email_address@foo.com' (without the single quotes). this used to work on 12.04 LTS, but now i get "mail: cannot send message: Process exited with a non-zero status." what am i (now) doing wrong?
[19:28] <ioria> heywood, check postfix (or what you have) log ?
[19:31] <heywood> ioria: in /var/log/mail.log i see "Oct  3 15:21:38 intel-nuc postfix/sendmail[7374]: fatal: open /etc/postfix/main.cf: No such file or directory" — but i would have thought postfix should be able to create this file as needed, no? apt list —installed | grep -i postfix gives "postfix/xenial,now 3.1.0-3 amd64 [installed,automatic]".
[19:32] <Bashing-om> cristian_c: My reference is my AMD box : " cat /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/temp >> 30000 " . Cool as a cucumber.
[19:33] <ioria> heywood, already tried to reinstall postfix ?
[19:33] <cristian_c> yeah, ypu shpukd divide the value, the usually increase the number of eros
[19:33] <cristian_c> zeros
[19:34] <cristian_c> Bashing-om: anyhow, I mean, I've only cooling_device dirrctories inside thermal
[19:36] <cristian_c> Bashing-om: I've also tried s-tui software
[19:37] <cristian_c> Bashing-om: the major issue is that temp graphs show a value of 6°C continuosly
[19:38] <heywood> ioria: i did before, but apparently wrongly. just did apt-get remove / apt-get install, then "cp /usr/share/postfix/main.cf.debian /etc/postfix/main.cf" as instructed by the post-install messages. however "sudo /etc/init.d/postfix reload" fails with "[....] Reloading postfix configuration (via systemctl): postfix.servicepostfix.service is not active, cannot reload."
[19:38] <heywood> i assumed the apt post-install script should have started the service; i'm not sure how to do so manually.
[19:39] <ioria> heywood, te cmd usually is apt install --reinstall postfix ; no nedd to remove
[19:39] <cristian_c> if I select the temp sensors menu, I get a list with k10temp.0, it8620e.0, it08620e.1, it8620e.2, it8620e.3, it8620e.4, it8620e.5
[19:40] <cristian_c> but none of these are checked, and if I try to check onemof theee , for example k10temp, I remember the temp is 4*C
[19:40] <ioria> heywood, and sudo service postifix restart  is enough
[19:40] <zamba> i'm looking for a simple tool to monitor if hosts are up or not
[19:41] <ioria> nmap ?
[19:42] <cristian_c> but some ootiin in this list seem have no effects, and 'regular operation' results always uncheked
[19:43] <cristian_c> Bashing-om: I also say: some options remain unchecked ifI cme bwck into the menu, after checking one of those
[19:43] <cristian_c> (one of these shows always 17°C celsius)
[19:44] <heywood> ioria: bingo! —reinstall proceeded without errors, and now i was able to restart the service. just tested the command from the commandline and it's now working as before. thanks so much for your help!
[19:44] <cristian_c> Bashing-om: so, it looks like there are no essential differences with vslues in lm-sensor
[19:44] <ioria> heywood, vey good job
[19:44] <ioria> *very
[19:45] <heywood> cheers :)
[19:46] <Bashing-om> cristian_c: Can not say . The experience I have is with lm-sensors : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SensorInstallHowto .
[19:48] <cristian_c> Bashing-om: then, I've also made further tests with hwinfo, and I've noticed crazy results. the cpu displayed average vslues of over 70°C, and then in suspension it touched 94*C, without network. After susension, it ststed continuosly on temperatures of 80°C with peaks of 85-86 every some seconds
[19:49] <cristian_c> Bashing-om: ok, but the graph in s-tui was always plain, with a constant vslue of 6°C celcius
[19:50] <cristian_c> I think s-tui could be useful, in my case, f0r monitoring frrquencies, they should be reliable
[19:50] <Bashing-om> cristian_c: If it is a consistent value, you will now need to figure out a conversion factor , and put it into a config file .
[19:50] <cristian_c> *frequencies
[19:51] <cristian_c> but temperatures, absolutely not, due to buggy it87 driver
[19:51] <vioner> Hey guys. Can you please check this out? https://stackoverflow.com/questions/46552284/writing-to-vdi-is-delayed-instead-of-immediate-why-vdfuse
[19:52] <cristian_c> I don0t know which exactly is the factor
[19:53] <Bashing-om> cristian_c: Mine: w83627ehf module . I gave up on any utility to read . There are work-a-rounds - but the side effects dis-swade me :(
[20:04] <jvelasquez> I've got Ubuntu 14.04, lightdm, and openbox, but wanted to change the arguments that lightdm uses when starting openbox.  Any ideas where that might be found or controlled?
[20:04] <aariz> Hey
[20:05] <aariz> anyone able to explain something on virtual addresses?
[20:05] <aariz> (memory management basically)
[20:05] <nacc> aariz: probably better asked in a different channel, but you can ask (it doesn't really have to do with ubuntu support)
[20:05] <nacc> i'd recommend ##linux or #kernelnewbies, if you are asking about the kernnel
[20:05] <aariz> Alright, thanks.
[20:07] <duckgoose> I have issues!
[20:07] <duckgoose> I use ifconfig to shut down wifi, but it comes back up periodically
[20:07] <nacc> duckgoose: are you using ubuntu desktop? and do you have Network Manager?
[20:08] <duckgoose> only ssh access
[20:08] <nacc> duckgoose: is the target a desktop or server?
[20:08] <duckgoose> server
[20:09] <nacc> duckgoose: anything in syslog as to why it comes back up?
[20:10] <jvelasquez> duckgoose,  is the interface mentioned in /etc/network/interfaces ?
[20:10] <jvelasquez> duckgoose,  cause if it is, then network manager will leave it alone,  and if it's "auto" you change change it to allow-hotplug
[20:12] <duckgoose> hmm I don't see it
[20:13] <duckgoose> how would I clear the saved wifi password
[20:14] <leftyfb> duckgoose: if you're running ubuntu server, then there's no saved password other than what you wrote to /etc/network/interfaces or /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
[20:15] <duckgoose> so I should add "allow-hotplug wlp4s0" to /etc/network/interfaces?
[20:16] <jvelasquez> duckgoose, and then network manager will leave it alone untill you say so
[20:16] <leftyfb> duckgoose: where did you setup your wireless network settings?
[20:16] <leftyfb> with ubuntu server, there is no network manager
[20:16] <jvelasquez> according to the documentation in network manager, the man page
[20:17] <duckgoose> well I shall give it a shot
[20:17] <leftyfb> give what a shot?
[20:17] <leftyfb> duckgoose: where did you setup your wireless network settings originally?
[20:17] <duckgoose> leftyfb I selected the option to add kubuntu desktop to it, thats probably why it has network manager
[20:18] <duckgoose> but I don't have desktop access anymore
[20:18] <leftyfb> then that's not ubuntu server, that's kubuntu
[20:18] <duckgoose> I downloaded and installed the ubuntu server iso
[20:19] <leftyfb> when you install a desktop, it becomes a desktop machine ... which makes all the difference when dealing with network configs, among other things
[20:19] <duckgoose> ok I'll make a note of that in the future
[20:23] <stochastix> In ubuntu. system gid are from 0 to 99 right?
[20:25] <genii> stochastix: http://people.canonical.com/~cjwatson/ubuntu-policy/policy.html/ch-opersys.html#s9.2.2
[20:25] <stochastix> I just looked in adduser.conf and it says system GUID is from 100 to 999
[20:27] <stochastix> genii: Oh, nice, thanks!
[20:41] <stochastix> Is it normal in ubuntu for the root user to not be in any groups other than root?
[20:43] <nacc> stochastix: yes
[20:43] <stochastix> k, was just looking for a sane group to put him in so my Ansible file doesnt error out, since I had none
[20:45] <stochastix> secondary group that is.
[20:46] <nacc> stochastix: sounds like a bug in your ansible file?
[20:48] <stochastix> maybe.  I got "Unexpected templating type error occurred on ({{ item.value.groups | join(',') }}): 'NoneType' object is not iterable"}   because there was nothing in the list for the root user when setting up groups and Users(with their -G and -g)
[20:48] <nacc> stochastix: right, so your template is buggy
[20:48] <nacc> stochastix: it doesn't handle empty values correctly, afaict (but that's not an ubuntu issue)
[20:48] <stochastix> I cant just try removing groups: and see if it ignores it for that user
[20:49] <stochastix> No, it is not a ubuntu issue.
[20:50] <stochastix> That is why I was just wondering if it will be normal to not ever need to add a secondary group to root in Ubuntu, so i can work around this the correct way.
[20:50] <nacc> groups don't really mean anything to root
[20:51] <stochastix> I know. I find it odd to see root a member of so many in Arch. Their must be a reason for it in Arch i assume.
[20:52] <stochastix> K, I need to maybe just do a check to see if groups: is empty and skip over it in the Ansible command somehow
[21:04] <RonaldsMazitis> I need sound applet for ubuntu 16.04 running openbox
[21:04] <RonaldsMazitis> I need sound applet for ubuntu 16.04 running openbox
[21:17] <CarlFK> What's the difference between xubuntu and lubuntu?
[21:19] <Mathisen> CarlFK, mainly the default desktop enviroment
[21:19] <leftyfb> CarlFK: XFCE and LXDE Desktop Environments
[21:20] <CarlFK> thanks - I was wondering if xubuntu got a name change.
[21:23] <Toadisattva> lubuntu is a bit lighter weight isn't it?
[21:26] <CarlFK> I was wondering if the were both still active.  I doubt trying to compare them will do anyone any good ;)
[21:43] <varaindemian> when is the ubuntu lts release date?
[21:44] <genii> There isn't a release schedule for 18.04 yet
[21:45] <genii> But traditionally, third Thursday in the month
[21:47] <varaindemian> I am on Arch now and I wonder if I should continue with it or switch to ubuntu 16.04 gnome
[21:48] <varaindemian> and then upgrade to 18.04
[21:48] <tgm4883> varaindemian: probably April 18th, 2018
[21:48] <genii> varaindemian: Artful Aardvark will be released October 19th, but it is not an LTS edition
[21:48] <varaindemian> will this be a safe upgrade?
[21:48] <varaindemian> 16 -> 18 ?
[21:48] <tgm4883> yes
[21:48] <tgm4883> I mean, there's always things you can do to break it
[21:49] <genii> varaindemian: LTS are the first release on even numbered years. Releases are in April and October
[21:49] <varaindemian> tgm4883, like what?
[21:51] <baxx> how do
[21:51] <baxx> when updating from 14 -> 16 a lot of guides say that you have to back up etc... I'm just wondering what a rough probability of things going wrong is?
[21:51] <baxx> is this something that happens regularly, or is it generally pretty safe?
[21:52] <baxx> https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-upgrade-to-ubuntu-16-04-lts
[21:52] <baxx> i was going to follow this
[21:52] <glitsj16> backups are never a bad idea
[21:52] <baxx> no i get that
[21:52] <tgm4883> varaindemian: baxx really depends on how far from a default install you go. Things that would get you into unsupported territory are things more likely to break a distro upgrade
[21:53] <tgm4883> varaindemian: baxx eg. lots of PPA installs, compiling core components, etc
[21:53] <baxx> tgm4883: hrm - so If i have PPA's currently then that's going to make things more risky or what not?
[21:53] <baxx> the idea of wiping and starting from scratch sounds painful
[21:54] <tgm4883> baxx: will it break? Probably not. If I tell you it won't break will it break? Definitely
[21:55] <baxx> tgm4883: ha, i'm not superstitious :)
[21:55] <tgm4883> I generally recommend a reinstall for no other reason than it makes me actively get the software that I need. Meaning I won't have some piece of software that I installed 9 years ago and haven't used in 7 years still on my system
[21:56] <tgm4883> And I always recommend backups
[21:56] <tgm4883> well, backups of important data, which I know is kinda redundant
[21:56] <baxx> tgm4883: mhm... that's one reason i'm tempted ( in spite of the apparent pain ) to do that... as this is the first install i did ( this system ) and there are probably loads of bodged things
[21:57] <baxx> partitions are pretty messy for a start
[21:57] <baxx> https://image.ibb.co/idcsbG/image.png < ? seems messy at least
[21:58] <tgm4883> baxx: that's a good reason to redo it then. I generally recommend 1-2 partitions (depending if it's UEFI based or not)
[21:58] <baxx> tgm4883: i can't even remember tbh... I think so ( think it had windows 8 originally )
[21:58] <tgm4883> baxx: that's not that bad. You've got Windows on there so that makes a bunch of partitions
[21:59] <tgm4883> but your linux partitions aren't out of the norm
[21:59] <baxx> cool... yeah i should have wiped windows tbh, i can't recall the last time i opened it , and that was accidentally. Would the back up be dd'ing to an external drive?
[22:00] <tgm4883> baxx: no, I'd just copy the stuff I wanted to save
[22:01] <baxx> ah ok... i mean, could just copy the whole of ~/ , ?
[22:02] <tgm4883> yea that would work
[22:05] <baxx> ok cool... i think I'll do this at the week end... so dist-upgrade doesn't do the wipe that you were referring to ?
[22:05] <tgm4883> correct
[22:05] <baxx> so what would be the steps for you from this position ?
[22:05] <baxx> ( after backing up ... )
[22:05] <baxx> boot off USB, wipe and install?
[22:06] <tgm4883> boot off usb and install. Wipe during install
[22:07] <baxx> ok... what's the compatability like between mint and ubuntu? I get mint it a fork or whatever, but are there any clangs?
[22:07] <tgm4883> yea, don't use mint
[22:07] <baxx> how come?
[22:07] <elricsfate> Hello all
[22:07] <elricsfate> On Ubuntu 14.04 LTS
[22:07] <baxx> tgm4883: it's lighter than ubuntu isn't it?
[22:08] <elricsfate> Despite having a number of outstanding security updates, running unattended upgrades reports the following "No packages found that can be upgraded unattended and no pending auto-removals"
[22:08] <elricsfate> Anything I should look at that might be causing this?
[22:09] <tgm4883> baxx: for starters, IMO there isn't any need to anymore. secondly, you can't get support for mint in here, thirdly, you can't get any support in the mint channel because there just isn't many people there fourthly, contrary to popular believe, the lack of people in the mint channel doesn't mean you can get mint support here. Lastly, did I mention you can't get support for mint in this channel?
[22:09] <tgm4883> baxx: as for "lighter", there are many flavors of Ubuntu you can use. I myself use Ubuntu Mate
[22:10] <baxx> tgm4883: the support arg is valid - but i was wondering about whether there were clangs between the two, but if no one uses it i guess no one would know ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[22:11] <baxx> tgm4883: ah ok - yeah i have heard of mint mate... ubuntu mate is lighter ok, i might go with that
[22:11] <tgm4883> baxx: oh a bunch of people use mint, they just don't bother to support it ;)
[22:12] <elricsfate> baxx: If you're on Mint I'd suggest going elsewhere
[22:13] <elricsfate> Unfortunately, the Ubuntu community is incredibly hostile towards Mint users when it comes to support
[22:13] <baxx> elricsfate: i'd suggest geting up to date then jumping in
[22:13] <tgm4883> elricsfate: he's not on mint
[22:13] <tgm4883> elricsfate: and we aren't hostile, we just don't support it
[22:13] <elricsfate> Ah, apologies
[22:13] <elricsfate> Anyhoo, anyone happen to know what might be causing the unattended-upgrades issue I'm seeing :P
[22:13] <baxx> elricsfate: think before you type next time
[22:14] <tgm4883> baxx: he came in after most of that conversation
[22:14] <elricsfate> baxx: Yeh man, I haven't been following your conversation most of the time. Calm yourself
[22:14] <baxx> should have thought " maybe i dont' know what i'm talking about " then , i guess
[22:14] <tgm4883> ok everyone, let's all just chill
[22:15] <elricsfate> baxx: If you're this angry, maybe it's time for a walk
[22:15] <tgm4883> elricsfate: what is this report you're talking about
[22:15] <elricsfate> tgm4883: unattended upgrades reports this "No packages found that can be upgraded unattended and no pending auto-removals"
[22:15] <elricsfate> This is despite having over 100 packages that require security updates
[22:17] <elricsfate> https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/rJGmjugmQl9VuZxvX5l7uw
[22:17] <tgm4883> elricsfate: hmm, not sure as I don't use unattended upgrades. Is there any debug/verbose options that says why each package can't be auto-upgraded?
[22:17] <tgm4883> If not, that would be a good feature to have
[22:17] <elricsfate> I'm already on debug but it doesn't seem to provide much info on why it isn't being matched
[22:18] <elricsfate> Maybe it does but these longs are the size of a small nation
[22:18] <elricsfate> *logs
[22:18] <elricsfate> The config file for the the unattended seems to be in it's proper
[22:18] <elricsfate> (seen at the above paste)
[22:19] <maddawg2> http://money.cnn.com/2017/10/03/technology/business/yahoo-breach-3-billion-accounts/index.html
[22:20] <nacc> elricsfate: well, only allowing security is buggy (security can depend on non-security updates, afaict)
[22:20] <alive876> regarding a free VPS (Ubuntu 16) i recently was loaned, I am trying to grok this statement: "The (ie "my") VPS is behind a NAT and xx.xx.xx.xx is not a publicly routable address so you need some proxy setup through Lydia to get to any ports that aren't explicitly forwarded..."   where "Lydia" is our shared publicly routable Debian system. Does that mean I need to set up a proxy server on "Lydia" that would accept http requests and 
[22:20] <elricsfate> It appears to be supported nacc https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/automatic-updates.html
[22:20] <alive876> address of the VPS?
[22:20] <nacc> elricsfate: see how the release pocket is neabled too?
[22:21] <elricsfate> nacc: sorry, neabled?
[22:21] <elricsfate> alive876: You can likely get away with SSH forwarding
[22:21] <nacc> elricsfate: enabled, sorry
[22:21] <nacc> elricsfate: also, are you sure on your syntax? that doesn't match what's in my connf file or the webpage you pointed to
[22:21] <elricsfate> On the paste?
[22:21] <elricsfate> nacc:
[22:22] <nacc> elricsfate: right
[22:22] <elricsfate> It appears to be the same syntax as in the documentation I linked
[22:23] <nacc> elricsfate: you are using "Origins-Pattern" while that literally doesn't appear on that wiki page
[22:23] <elricsfate> Herpity derp
[22:23] <elricsfate> I see what you're saying now
[22:23] <nacc> elricsfate: I'm not sure it will make a difference, but u-u works here, and I am using the stock config basically
[22:24] <elricsfate> It's worked before for me as well
[22:24] <elricsfate> Though I tested on 16.04 and not 14.04
[22:26] <elricsfate> Even changing to the exact syntax used here
[22:26] <elricsfate> https://help.ubuntu.com/14.04/serverguide/automatic-updates.html
[22:26] <elricsfate> I still get the same error
[22:27] <nacc> elricsfate: the error being no packages are installed?
[22:27] <nacc> elricsfate: what does /var/log/unattended-upgrades say?
[22:27] <elricsfate> Correct
[22:27] <elricsfate> One moment and I'll paste bin it
[22:29] <elricsfate> Herp
[22:30] <elricsfate> It looks like per this they actually WERE upgraded
[22:30] <elricsfate> When does the MOTD update?
[22:30] <elricsfate> What threw me off was that the MOTD still said their were outstanding security updates
[22:31] <elricsfate> I believe on 16.04 that updates regularly because if I see packages, upgrade, logout, log back in it will show no outstanding updates (Maybe I'm remember incorrectly or perhaps the MOTD functions differently on 14.04?)
[22:31] <elricsfate> nacc:
[22:32] <elricsfate> https://askubuntu.com/questions/105689/how-is-etc-motd-updated#105691
[22:32] <elricsfate> Yep this indicates it should be updated on login
[22:32] <elricsfate> Not sure if that was a thing in 14.04 or perhaps it is broken on these boxes
[22:37] <nacc> elricsfate: oh ok
[22:38] <elricsfate> Yeh it looks like it's broken
[22:38] <elricsfate> It now isn't showing the update script at all on the MOTD
[22:38] <elricsfate> Anyway, at least we're secure :P
[22:38] <elricsfate> Thanks!
[22:38] <zamba> i'm looking for a simple solution to monitor hosts
[22:39] <zamba> just something that will alert if a host doesn't reply to icmp ping requests, for instance
[22:39] <elricsfate> zamba: Does it have to be FOSS?
[22:39] <elricsfate> and does it have to be free
[22:40] <elricsfate> zamba: https://www.pingdom.com
[22:40] <elricsfate> This will likely fit the bill if you want very basic monitoring and I believe it has a free tier
[23:01] <bcowan> there a simple way to have grub-update to find my ubuntu-budgie install instead of ubuntu taking over?
[23:01] <bcowan> seems like a bug to me
[23:07] <tgm4883> bcowan: um, what
[23:12] <bcowan> tgm4883, i have lots of distros installed on this box, but ubuntu regular keeps removing ubuntu budgie from grub menu and visa versa
[23:19] <TJ-> bcowan: is os-prober enabled and finding other distros ?
[23:21] <bcowan> TJ-, yes..just one ubuntu shows up each time, sanity would think the "flavors" would add ubuntu-budgie etc to the menu not just generic ubuntu
[23:22] <TJ-> bcowan: are either of them in encrypted file-systems or on external devices? usually that happens because os-prober cannot locate their root file-systems (os-prober is called by update-grub to find other OSes for adding to the GRUB menu)
[23:23] <TJ-> bcowan: or, is one installed for UEFI boot and the others for BIOS boot - or the other way around?
[23:24] <bcowan> TJ-, they are both efi boot no encryption
[23:24] <TJ-> bcowan: each distro in a separate partition, or in LVM LVs?
[23:24] <bcowan> os-prober finds win10 and gentoo etc etc
[23:24] <TJ-> bcowan: there are some debug options and you can run os-prober manually to see what it is (not) doing
[23:25] <jvelasquez> leftyfb,
[23:25] <bcowan> TJ-, yeah separate partitions
[23:25] <jvelasquez> leftyfb, what does the fb stand for?
[23:26] <TJ-> bcowan: try "sudo sh -x /usr/bin/os-prober"
[23:27] <TJ-> bcowan: that'll let you see every command being executed, you might need to capture the output to a log file by adding "... | tee os-prober.log" to the end so we can check it
[23:29] <bcowan> ehttps://pastebin.com/p5LGW2un
[23:29] <bcowan> err https://pastebin.com/p5LGW2un
[23:31] <leftyfb> jvelasquez: what does that have to do with ubuntu?
[23:32] <jvelasquez> I've got a ubuntu 16.04 server, with some desktop stuff on it, including network manager, slaves: eno1 and eno2, and bond0 are in /etc/network/interfaces, https://pastebin.com/raw/B3QQu16p , and for some reason, dhcp discovery packets don't leave the machine until about 8 minutes after boot.  Any ideas?
[23:34] <jvelasquez> my techie friend told me to check the RAM
[23:34] <TJ-> bcowan: are Windows and gentoo the ones (beside Budgie) you expected to see, or are others missing?
[23:35] <bcowan> TJ-, yes
[23:36] <TJ-> bcowan: so, where is 'budgie' and what's different about it? I've heard of it but never looked. If it does something different in its rootfs then os-prober might not know how to locate it
[23:39] <bcowan> TJ-, nothing should be different...default install with a root btrfs on sda5 and boot on ext4 sda7
[23:39] <TJ-> bcowan: also, to help you understand how os-prober works take a look at all the probe script files it has. it'll give you some context on how it searches/finds other OSes. do "dpkg -L os-prober | grep probe"
[23:40] <bcowan> TJ-, ubuntu regular is on sda11 and 12
[23:41] <TJ-> bcowan: I'm wondering if it's because it's another 'ubuntu' - it isn't looking for it's own distro... it is expected GRUB will put ubuntu in itself, but GRUB won't look for anything other than the running OS
[23:41] <bcowan> TJ-, ill chroot into budgie and see what os-prober shows from there
[23:42] <bcowan> TJ-, exactly what im thinking and why i think it maybe a bug/oversight
[23:42] <TJ-> bcowan: maybe write a small probe script of your own so it does recognise budgie. possibly reading /etc/issue if that is unique in Budgie.
[23:44] <TJ-> I'm pretty sure I've had update-grub list multiple Ubuntu installs in the past. But not seen it recently and now I think about it I do have several LVM LVs with various versions. So, it may be this was 'by design' - previously the entries would get mixed up (wrong name/rootfs in grub.cfg)
[23:44] <TJ-> bcowan: On 16.04 here, I only get Ubuntu with the various kernel versions, I don't get the other versions I have in those LVs. Same thing as you I'm guessing
[23:46] <jvelasquez> How would somebody configure ubuntu to request an IP off the network using DHCP?
[23:47] <bcowan> TJ-, ahh i might check the different kernels under advanced and see if one points to a different root
[23:49] <jvelasquez> sary, what's the pw?
[23:50] <moss> why on earth is the screensaver broken in 17.04
[23:50] <TJ-> bcowan: that was my issue, the 'name' was the same as the primary ubuntu, but the rootfs pointed to a different version so i had no way of knowing which was which. I wrote a custom script for /etc/grub.d/ to fix that
[23:50] <moss> i try to lock my screen
[23:50] <moss> and it doesnt work
[23:51] <jvelasquez> moss, I had that problem!
[23:51] <moss> jvelasquez: ya
[23:51] <moss> jvelasquez: did you fix it
[23:51] <jvelasquez> moss, yah!
[23:51] <moss> how
[23:51] <moss> installing gentoo?
[23:52] <jvelasquez> moss, but I think maybe I only had the problem after changing my desktop to Gnome,  or maybe I only discovered the problem after switching to gnome.
[23:52] <moss> heh
[23:52] <jvelasquez> moss, in any case, it's pretty funny huh.  I fixed it by changing to gdm3 as my display manager.
[23:52] <jvelasquez> works great now.
[23:53] <moss> heh
[23:54] <jvelasquez> moss, but let's confirm the issue,  is the issue where you can switch around between tty7, tty8 to evade the pw prompt and return to desktop right?
[23:54] <bazhang> jvelasquez, he left
[23:56] <TJ-> jvelasquez: sounds like that's because of running the greet on tty8 and the user session ont tty7 now. Was supposed to make things smoother but I've seen a lot of regressions and bugs due to it