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tgBot<vanyasem> @Xuyznaet, welcome01:05
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xorpadokay so the kernel boots but I had to disable an if check that is there for optimzation to get it to compile with gcc 6, and I haven't tested to make sure everything works yet01:07
tgBot<vanyasem> @Xuyznaet, this supergroup is English only, would like to point out01:08
xorpadbuilt out-of-tree using gcc 601:08
tgBot<vanyasem> you can get exclusive support from me на русском, but for that you will need to PM me (@vanyasem)01:08
xorpadNow to add in the freqeuncy and voltage scaling modules01:09
xorpadstill don't know if it's stable though, just know it boots and seems to run no worse than the version i downloaded from official source01:10
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> "It's not obviously worse" is good enough01:11
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> :P01:11
xorpadlol, not by my standards01:12
xorpadbut if bugs are there they will show up eventually01:13
xorpadmoving from gcc 4 to 6 might cause some issues, as 4 has more undefined behaviour that could be used in ways that cause errors in 601:14
xorpadbut moving to 6, means we'll be ready to more to 7 when it gets mature in 6-8 months without issues, and 7.2 currently outperforms all previous versions(for arm archs especailly) in terms of efficient output01:15
xorpadright now 7.2 works pretty well but they need to add more unit tests for better code coverage01:15
xorpadI fixed all the unit test fails, but they need more unit tests01:16
xorpadLike i can't fix errors I don't know are there01:17
xorpadand I don't know gcc internals enough to write unit tests for all the stuff I think needs it01:17
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Oh, you're talking about the tests for 7.201:17
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Not the tests for the kernel under 7.201:17
xorpadI'm talking about gcc itself01:17
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> As a coding noob, I respect and fear what you're talking about01:18
xorpadlol, give it another 20 years, you'll get there01:18
xorpadGetting to where i'm at, takes a long time, but it's not as hard as it seems, just a lot of stuff to learn and practice01:19
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> I just learned how to downcast in Java.01:20
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> I got a long ways to go01:20
xorpadI've been studying asm/os dev for 14 years, and compiler theory for 4-6 years01:20
xorpadcoding for 25 years total01:20
xorpadso it took me 11 years before I even thought about learning this stuff01:20
xorpadI always dreamed when I was first learning to code of making my own OS01:21
xorpadso eventually when I felt ready... i devoted a LOT of time to learning it01:23
xorpadthere's many areas of computer science I am not good at though, I just have niche skills that are rare because they are rarely needed01:25
xorpadLike, not many asm coders with compiler theory and os dev experience are needed, compared to normal software devs01:25
xorpadYou only need a few hundreds in the world really... and then there's the 200-300 of us who have our own os projects we do as a hobby01:26
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> No one wants to hire you for embedded devices?01:27
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> You'd think that'd be pretty killer for this new IoT thing.01:27
xorpadthey might if I had credentials01:27
xorpadbut I don't have any01:27
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Damn. Pieces of paper are killers.01:28
xorpadyeah... I also never wanted a job in the field until recently so I never kept anything I made for a portfolio01:29
xorpadso I have no piece of paper and very little work to show my skills to employers01:29
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> oh...01:29
xorpadMS interviewed me over skype.. made it to the second interview, then they asked me about my education... they lost interest when i told them I left school in the middle of grade 5 so I have a grade 4 education01:30
xorpadSad, seeing as not being in school just meant that I spend all day every day coding and learning more about code01:30
xorpadbut whatever, they won't be getting any more vuln research from me01:31
xorpadI reported 8 0 days in 2 months and they didn't give me anything01:31
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Okay, depending on severity that's ridiculous01:32
xorpadI should have sold them as exploits on the black market01:32
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> But that's unethical and gets you disappeared by the FBI. :/01:32
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Oh, I guess we're off topic.01:32
xorpadlol I wouldn't actually do that, but I wish i was the kind of person that would01:32
xorpadyeah true01:33
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Normally I'm the one who tells people to move to the off topic group. :P01:33
xorpadhaha, i'm always getting off topic because I'm using to being on a small network where off-topic is allowed unless topic is actively being discussed01:34
xorpadold habits die hard01:34
xorpadif you wanna chat more pm me, otherwise I'll go back to coding01:34
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> On Telegram we have our offtopic group, @ubports_ot. It's a neat place.01:36
thrrgilag@UniversalSuperBox Keeping that one Telegram only?01:37
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> I guess if there was enough demand I could convince the bot's keeper to put it in another group01:38
thrrgilagNo worries, if I'm that curious I could just fire up the Telegram client.01:38
xorpadI have telegram but I prefer IRC... old habits i guess01:45
xorpadI use telegram when I'm on the phone away from computer01:45
xorpadotherwise I'd rather all my chats be in the same window01:45
thrrgilagI'm one of those matrix weirdos, which also means I'm on IRC too.  Oh wait I'm offtopic still. :p01:46
xorpadmatrix weirdos?01:46
xorpadahh, I'm on i2p myself01:47
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> #ubports:matrix.org01:53
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tgBot<bastos777> @wayneoutthere, +1! Exactly my point even if I am not in a Christ church.04:31
tgBot<bastos777> @xorpad, Wow! 5 days battery life would be really great. Hopefully those hammerhead improvements would also be able to use on other devices like my fp 2 😁04:38
xorpadbastos777 every chip is different in terms of how you code it for non-ARM-standard stuff such as controlling volatage and frequency, but it should certainly be a feature in all kernels04:39
xorpadlike, ARM is just a standard made by ARM Holdings, the chips are not related. unless an architecture/driver programming documentation is available we can only do things android already does by reverse engineering what they have04:41
xorpadI can reverse engineer stuff but it's very time consuming04:41
xorpadand I don't think voltage scaling is normal in android kernels so we'd have to either fuzz around for it, likely bricking a lot of devices, or give sexual favors to someone at the manufacturers organization in exchange for their docs04:42
xorpadthe docs do exist, we may be able to get them under an NDA if we ask nicely and make ourselves look really official and professional, but no guarentees04:43
xorpadLike, if the chip maker publishes the programming/architecture docs, it will be easy04:43
xorpadif they don't... it will be next to impossible without bricking a lot of devices trying to figure out what opcodes change the voltage04:44
xorpadI've fuzzed a driver before on a netbook gpu, killed my own netbook, then killed 20 other peoples netbooks, then got it narrowed down enough I stopped bricking them and just had to find the right options from the ones I had in the pool04:45
xorpadWe can steal code from other custom kernels if they have the features though04:47
xorpadbut if they have the features, the docs are probably public and we should make our own code04:47
xorpadif you want a job done right you gotta do it yourself04:47
tgBot<bastos777> @xorpad, This is quite a good rule. Would vote for practicing it like this. Anyway we have the @ubports_of groups.04:52
xorpadwhat si ubports_of ?04:54
tgBot<bastos777> @xorpad, 😂04:55
tgBot<bastos777> @xorpad, Sorry. @ubports_ot . autocorrect bug.04:57
xorpadot is what/04:58
tgBot<bastos777> This is the off topics group from our community in telegram.04:58
tgBot<bastos777> Try it out...04:58
xorpadoh, well I'm talking on topic, about kernel dev04:58
xorpadand whats required to add that to all kernels04:58
tgBot<bastos777> I know.04:58
xorpadbut I will join it...04:58
xorpadgimmie a min to get onto telegram04:59
tgBot<bastos777> I replied to your previous post04:59
tgBot<bastos777> I am far away from being a coder, but I like your comments a lot @Xorpad !05:00
tgBot<bastos777> Thank you for contributing.05:01
xorpadbastos777: https://zerorax.imgur.com/all/   <--- I'm the second one05:01
xorpadoops https://imgur.com/E17yO5H05:01
tgBot<bastos777> That one? ' I code and practice martial arts and play guitar and that's pretty much my whole life.'05:07
tgBot<DanChapman> @UniversalSuperBox, There's this amazing UI kit that you can open up in inkscape https://github.com/halfsail/Ubuntu-UI-Toolkit05:08
xorpadbastos777 yeah, that's a very brief desc of my life05:10
xorpadbut I meant the image.. the one with the coder memes05:10
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xorpadhmmm... it seems when you remove tasks via swiping from the active task slide-out menu, the memory they are using doesn't get freed06:15
xorpadand, the latest devel release update soft-bricked my phone06:22
xorpadso there's that06:23
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xorpadWe need to work on multirom so people don't have to give up android to use ubuntu touch07:39
xorpadit makes it easy to install ubuntu touch from inside a rooted phone to a place in /data/media that can be mounted instead of the normal partitions and booted as if they were flashed to the device normally07:40
xorpadDownload MultiROM app - > install ubuntu touch -> have dual-boot android + ubport -> ??? -> profit!!!07:41
xorpadIf we work on multirom, we can increase user base significantly and make the level of skill/comfort required to install it much less07:44
tgBot<YougoChats> @xorpad, you completely skip the part where UT needs to be ported to each and every phone first. even if UT supports Multirom, it doesn't mean it would automatically run on everything07:45
xorpadYougoChats: I'm aware... lets go one step at a time here07:46
tgBot<Milan Korecky> In very past I had windows together with Ubuntu, and it was some how stressing, so I have made the choice: ubuntu! and since that times I did not switched back07:46
tgBot<Milan Korecky> I had the courage, they can find it also07:47
xorpadYougoChats I  can port multirom to some devices, but only ones i have or can get cheaply for testing on07:47
tgBot<YougoChats> and UBPorts is swamped as it is. adding demand for multirom, and by extension all devices that run multirom doesn't help07:47
xorpadwell, I'm not saying someone else should do it07:48
tgBot<YougoChats> UT is still at a stage where it needs to prove it can run well on a limited set of devices07:48
xorpadi'm saying I should do it07:48
xorpadand yeah, just a limited set of devices,07:48
xorpadthe ones officially supported for now, we can add to that list later07:48
xorpadeven if we just get it working on one popular device, I have a nexus 5 and plan to get all the devices supported by ubports when I can afford to07:50
xorpadso for now I can start with the nexus 507:50
xorpadeven if it only works for nexus 5, it's good to have it working and maintained07:50
xorpadofc when I get those other devices i can port it to them too07:50
xorpadand I would like to make some more kernels for more devices too07:51
xorpadright now i'm working on adding voltage scaling to the nexus 5 kernel07:51
tgBot<Milan Korecky> @xorpad, Of course I do not want you to stop it is your decision. Any help and effort is welcome.07:53
xorpadWell you can expect a lot of effort07:53
tgBot<YougoChats> well, if you can make Multirom sit in between without UT noticing, or submit patches to UT that don't otherwise affect UT's functioning, i'd say go for it.07:55
xorpadI am pretty sure I can... and if I can't, I'll research how and then I'll be able to07:55
xorpadI mean... MultiROM working should be easy07:56
xorpadporting ubports to new devices will be hard, but i'm up for it in the semi-near future... For now I'm just gonna work on the nexus 5 kernel though and multirom07:58
xorpadthe hard stuff is the fun stuff:D07:58
xorpadthinking of making a replacement for the android bootloader though... and having the bootloader as something we load and branch over to if we need it, and then have a proper linux bootloader, and we can repartition the device with the bootloader so that we don't have to deal with androids partition layouts07:59
xorpadI dunno, I got a lot of plans, we'll see what you guys accept out of what I make i guess08:00
tgBot<Milan Korecky> we like pioneers and dreamers08:01
xorpadAnd whatever you don't accept, I'll put into a fork and you can merge it back if you ever want to08:02
xorpadMostly I'm interested in working on the kernels really, but I also want to have a light-weight alternative to unity 808:03
xorpadAlso, porting to other devices, and making the system not dependant on anything from android other than the android linux kernel and drivers08:04
xorpadBasically I'll do whatever I feel is a good idea to do, from app dev to kernel modding08:05
xorpadI'd like to make a new keyboard... the camera needs some algorithms to increase the contrast and sharpen the image because it doesn't look as nice as when I had android on the same phone...08:06
tgBot<Milan Korecky> Bellow the list of core https://ubports.com/page/website.aboutus08:06
xorpadmaybe I'll earn a spot on that developers list eventually:D08:07
xorpadbut that's not really important, i just like OS development08:08
xorpadI don't care if I'm an official dev or not tbh, I just want to write code08:08
tgBot<Milan Korecky> They are also here, but not now08:09
tgBot<Milan Korecky> 👍08:09
xorpadI know:D I hope they are interested in all my ideas:D08:09
xorpaddoes ubports have a repository for apt?08:10
xorpadwhenever i try to use apt it errors on me08:10
xorpadsaying nothing found08:10
xorpadI could maybe host a repository if there isn't one08:11
xorpadall I know is I want this project to be awesome and I want to help make it awesome08:12
tgBot<YougoChats> as UBorts plans to move UT onto Halium, perhaps it is wise to get Halium running on Multirom?08:14
xorpadYougoChats... Probably a good idea... but that's trivial08:15
tgBot<YougoChats> you'd upen up a whole range of mobile distros to Multirom08:15
xorpadMultirom is just a kernel used as a bootloader which mounts the partitions from the images in the filesystem and calls kexec to boot the boot the kernel and begin the rom booting08:16
xorpadso multirom already basically supports halium08:16
xorpadHalium might need some mods, but multirom will work as is08:16
tgBot<YougoChats> well, then you're almost there 😊08:17
xorpadYep... this is easy peasy for me,  just time consuming08:17
xorpadbut I enjoy it08:17
xorpadit's taken me 14 years to learn os dev and compiler dev and how to write secure code and how to reverse engineer stuff so I can use it for my own projects... but i feel like I'm finally ready to stop with the hobby projects and work on a serious one08:18
tgBot<Milan Korecky> I am driving08:18
xorpadI am sitting on the couch08:18
xorpadi don't drive... Don't have one of those car things08:19
xorpadmy family bought me one once, but I totaled it the first day I had it drifting around a parking lot08:19
xorpadso they said never again08:19
tgBot<Flohack> Morning08:19
xorpadHi Flohack!08:19
tgBot<Flohack> xorpad are you never asleep 😆08:19
tgBot<Flohack> Just catching up with the night08:20
tgBot<Flohack> I skipped now 300+ messages or so08:20
xorpadFlohack, not usually... I got brain damage in a muay thai fight that makes me never get tired08:20
xorpadthe part of my brain that should trigger sleep has 0 activity on FMRI08:20
xorpadso I have a cocktail of meds for the occasional time I decide to sleep, but mostly i'm just coding all day and night08:21
tgBot<Milan Korecky> @Flohack thanks for coming08:21
xorpadUsually my days last 60-80 hours, followed by 10 hours of sleep08:21
xorpadit makes me really productive08:21
xorpadI got the nexus 5 kernel building with gcc 7.2 without the android build tree08:22
xorpadstill need to fully test everything08:22
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xorpadthat should alone give like 20% or more performance boost, because 7.2 has so much optimzing compared to 4/5/608:23
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xorpad20% is conservative, I've seen 40% boosts on certain perfomrance aspects when I build AOSP with 7.208:24
xorpadit's insane how much 7.2 optimizes compared to anything before it... well 7 and up do it, but 7.2 is the first 7.x that's reliable enough to use08:25
tgBot<Flohack> @xorpad, Hmm on my N5 I have a really bad experience with the battery. I dont expect that 900% will work with Ubuntu Touch but if you can double or triple it, would be fine ;)08:25
xorpadFlohack, have you tried franco kernel on your nexus 5?08:26
xorpadit literally gives you 9x the standby time, although screen time can't be fixed with anything in the kernel and will still only be 4-5 hours08:27
xorpadbut franco kernel just isn't very effective without the control app that costs $5... We will have the settings menu as our control app... if you accept my code that is08:28
tgBot<Flohack> @xorpad, No I did not use any Android on this phone08:29
tgBot<Flohack> I will wait patiently for your version then ;)08:29
xorpadFlohack cool:D08:29
xorpadExpect it in a couple weeks i'm guessing08:29
xorpador at least a small preview of whats to come08:29
xorpadI do hope my work meets your standards... I'm even commenting everything, and i never write comments08:30
xorpadbut i figure if I'm working on a project others also work on, they will need comments08:30
xorpadso I'm making an effort to comment everything so it's more likely to get accepted08:30
xorpadmy last linux kernel contribution got rejected because it was pure assembly with no comments and they said they couldn't understand it08:31
tgBot<Flohack> Well for commenting, if a line of modification is clear from the code it does not need a comment. Just give a line of intention or reasoning, its easier for merging the pull request, to understand whats going on. But dont overcomment it ;)08:31
tgBot<Flohack> yes this what you said 😆08:31
xorpadanyways I gotta reboot back into my other linux install to get back to work on the kernel... I had to boot into this one to reflash ubuntu touch because the update soft-bricked my phone(developemnt branch)08:33
tgBot<Flohack> Im in my office now so dont expect too much following the next hours ;)08:35
xorpadFlohack, cool08:35
tgBot<andreasimonetti> To use apt you need libertine or to put your filesystem in r/w mode..you will lose your changes at every upgrade..08:52
xorpadI see...08:53
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tgBot<vanyasem> @Davy, welcome09:46
tgBot<Davy> Hi there, thank you! It took a while, but now even I know, that Cannonical doesn't support Touch anymore. That's why I am here09:49
xorpadCannonical aint got nothing on ubports09:52
xorpadanyone who would abandon a new phone OS with ELF binaries instead of highly abstracted runtimes and vms with optimzing routines to make them seem less bloated, is insane09:54
xorpadthis OS is awesome09:56
tgBot<Davy> I do count on that ;)09:56
xorpadman i made a big mess of the kernel lol09:57
xorpadDavy, you a user or a coder?10:01
tgBot<Davy> Just a user. No help for the kernel from me ;)10:01
xorpadhaha, I don't expect help, I just wondering10:02
xorpadhave you got it working yet?10:02
tgBot<Davy> It is rebooting just yet. Gotta tell you in a minute10:03
xorpadwhich device you got?10:03
tgBot<Davy> Aquaris m1010:03
xorpadOh, cool10:05
xorpadI've got a Nexus 5 with Ubports on it10:05
xorpadI love it10:06
xorpadit's my new favorite toy10:07
tgBot<Davy> You know, the last few months I was wondering, why there weren't any updates. Didn't had the time to get informed. Today I read: no support anymore. Still like it so i am glad, that there is a comunityproject10:08
tgBot<Stereofont> Davy, you can choose between stable, RC and devel after initial install10:08
tgBot<Stereofont> In system settings. It is hidden down the bottom. Not obvious10:10
xorpadokay I fixed the mess10:10
xorpadnow I have resulting mess related to the new code10:11
tgBot<Stereofont> That equals progress10:11
tgBot<Davy> Thanks for the hin, lionelb. Do I get that right? The ubuntustore is still the old unsupported one, right? so I should get a hang of the open store?10:11
tgBot<Stereofont> One mess at a time10:12
tgBot<Stereofont> Ubuntu Store is closing and not maintained. Check out Dekko2 and uMatriks on OpenStore10:13
tgBot<Davy> Alright, thanks! So far it looks pretty good!10:13
tgBot<Stereofont> Note pull down flashlight10:14
tgBot<Stereofont> Not that you have a flashlight on M10 haha10:15
tgBot<Davy> Well no use for that ;)10:18
tgBot<Stereofont> There are memory leak issues on M10 so may be performance deterioration over time. Dialler will go in OTA 3 I think10:21
tgBot<Davy> A alright, good to know. So far it still looking great! So much better than before.10:23
xorpadIt's awesome to the max yo10:25
xorpadyay, another bug squashed... i wonder how many more pop up before i end this hunt10:26
xorpadfixed, on, got 7 more once that one worked10:26
tgBot<Davy> Good luck to you! gotta go do some working. Bye!10:29
tgBot<Jaume81> is there a generic carddav? Like calendars, or only by owncloud.10:39
tgBot<Jaume81> and it will be great if can sync contacts and task by nextcloud.10:53
tgBot<BrisPete> @Davy, Yes, it's great. Like you I am just a user. Run Touch on my M10 and my Nexus 5. Couldn't be happier. Can't imagine going back to Android now. It doesn't suit everybody but is ideal for me. Knowing that people who are cleverer than me are improving it all the time is very encouraging.11:13
tgBot<demokrit atomos> Is anyone also having issues conn3cting to the forum?12:08
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> @demokrit atomos, Looks OK from here12:10
tgBot<demokrit atomos> Hm ok i'll check again12:10
tgBot<demokrit atomos> Nice, works again, thx for checking Dalton!12:11
tgBot<TomasOqvist> It seems that every other update (devel) to my OPO crashes or disables the indicator-rotation-lock. Does anybody know the terminal command to restart it?12:38
tgBot<TomasOqvist> (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/GVRHiZgx/file_960.jpg12:42
tgBot<TomasOqvist> Doesn't look right and the screen doesn't rotate.12:44
xorpaddevel version is the in development not even fully tested release12:48
xorpadif you want stable don't go devel12:49
xorpadI had devel and the last update soft-bricked my phone12:49
xorpadI had to re-flash it12:49
xorpadyou gotta expect that from non-stable releases with RC updates12:49
tgBot<YougoChats> sometimes (often but not every time) my install is wonky after an update. no rotation, wifi is funny, no screen dimming etc. usually a reboot will fix it. life on th eedge is fun12:50
tgBot<TomasOqvist> I am aware of that and is taking the calculated risk. I switched to rc a few days ago, but it also had the problem with rotation, etc. Agreed, living on the edge is fun. Especially when eagerly awaiting fixes...12:51
tgBot<TomasOqvist> I haven't tried stable yet because so far (fingers crossed) had no soft brick with devel. Maybe odds are not in my favor...12:52
tgBot<TomasOqvist> I have been thinking rc sometimes, but I want to see that weekly updates are coming first.12:53
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tgBot<TheOriginalSaiyajin> Does Ubuntu Touch comes with terminal. (Jk) 🙈🙈🙈12:58
tgBot<erickt_23> Yes. The terminal is installed by default12:59
tgBot<TomasOqvist> @TomasOqvist, It rotates now after a restart. This seems somehow connected to the issue that the screen doesn't turn on with the power button. In those cases. power on followed by touching the screen turns it on.13:03
tgBot<Ern_st> @Jaume81, Only through syncevolution in cli so far, there is a script link somewhere in the wiki or forum13:17
tgBot<Jaume81> since OTA2 it can sync a generic caldav, it could be for contacts and task, too. In future. By nextcloud, I tried by owncloud and it don't sync but I will try again.13:34
tgBot<Ern_st> For Nextcloud/owncloud there is a bug on the login, it's has been fixed and will be released.14:30
tgBot<bastos777> @xorpad, +1 Thank you for this attitude !14:41
xorpadbastos777, I'm just doing what I love to do, but glad you appreciate it14:41
xorpadI've been merging in code from latest stable mainline linux kernel all night getting it to compile with gcc 6.4.0, which will make way for 7.x when it gets a little more mature and reliable14:42
xorpad7.x has way more performance than 4.8 which this code is meant for and 5/6 which this code doesn't work under because of stricter enforcment of behaviour and restrictions on undefined compiler behaviour14:43
xorpadSo when 7.3 hits, and we're ready to use it, we can get that 25-30% performance boost easily14:43
xorpad7.1 was hella buggy, 7.2 fixed 99% of the problems, and the next release, as x.3.0 always is, will be a stable reliable version we can use without worrying about certain things not working under certain circumstances14:44
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Okay, you're going to think I'm stupid but I'm going to ask anyway14:45
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Would using a kernel built with 6/7 cause problems when the rest of the system was built with an earlier version14:45
tgBot<bhushanshah> Yes14:45
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> yay14:46
xorpadIt actually wouldn't, but in theory it could14:47
xorpadI've done it so I know it works, but in theory there is no reason why it must work14:47
tgBot<bastos777> @Ern_st, Wow! Thats what I am respectfully waiting for. Than I will be able to sync my folders again! Thanks! Will it land in OpenStore as OwnCloud app?14:55
bshahxorpad: one thing I learned about android low level development is, never assume anything14:57
xorpadbshah, I was speaking of linux not android specifically, Android I compile with the included toolchains usually14:58
xorpadAndroid isn't meant to be as versatile and modular as a linux installation14:58
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> xorpad, have you dealt with a libhybris system before?15:17
tgBot<wayneoutthere> Stop the Press!  … Here's the Latest News You need from the Ubuntu Touch News Desk. … https://soundcloud.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch-news-desk-17100515:17
xorpadUniversalSuperBox, nope, but what I don't know is just an excuse to learn more15:18
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> We run Android in a container to use the drivers.15:19
xorpadI see15:19
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> That's the tl;dr at least15:19
xorpadWe should make a tool to extract the blobs from ROMs15:19
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Cyanogen did that15:19
xorpadand a linker to prepare the for the platform15:19
tgBot<TheOriginalSaiyajin> @UniversalSuperBox, But they rip now.15:19
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> @TheOriginalSaiyajin, Lineage uses it.15:20
tgBot<TheOriginalSaiyajin> It's LineageOS now.15:20
tgBot<TheOriginalSaiyajin> @UniversalSuperBox, Yus. ;_;15:20
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> The code for libhybris can be found at https://github.com/libhybris/libhybris15:20
xorpadthanks UniversalSuperBox :D15:20
xorpadI think i already have it bookmarked15:20
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> And Android's userspace runs inside lxc@android on an Ubuntu Touch system15:21
xorpadI got so much stuff to deal with, i figure I should work on kernel now... I should switch to working on the next planned kernel though not the soon to be depricated one i'm working on right now15:21
xorpadI need to sleep, i haven't for a couple days15:22
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> The lxc@android service, that is. The container is named android.15:22
xorpadbut i'm having a good time coding15:22
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> That's a lot of no sleep15:22
xorpadlol, I typically code obsessively without sleep until I feel sick15:22
xorpadAt least now I have an awesome cool project instead of lame messing around with toy OS's not intended for the real world to adopt15:23
tgBot<Stereofont> @UniversalSuperBox, SevenOfNine15:23
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> @Stereofont, what15:24
tgBot<Stereofont> @UniversalSuperBox, StarTrek …15:25
xorpadmaybe he just likes highlight people to be annoying... You'll find I do that to people i like15:25
xorpadwhen i start highlighting you for no reason repeatedly you know you're on my good side15:26
xorpadand maybe curse my annoyingness at same time15:26
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Oh, tip. If you're trying to highlight people in Telegram use @username instead of just username. The bridge figures out the rest.15:26
xorpadthanks for the pit15:26
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> That actually causes notifications15:26
xorpadyeah I noticed, since I'm on both15:26
xorpad@xorpad : when you read this go shove it up your arse!15:27
xorpadlulz, i'm gonna see that later when I look at my phone15:27
tgBot<Gartral> *passes a ban hammer to the admins*15:30
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> I'm an admin and don't see a problem15:30
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Also he's in IRC and I don't really feeeel like joining Freenode today15:30
xorpadI'm also just trying to be social/playful so it's not all srs bsns15:31
tgBot<Gartral> Ah, I miss read the situation, my bad!15:31
xorpad@Gartral no offence taken man15:31
xorpadIf i ever become an issue just tell me to shut up until i have something useful to say... I do get annoying sometimes but i don't realize it till I've already been at it a while15:32
tgBot<Gartral> I'm fighting with s3cmd and trying to get "work" done with it's cranky arse15:32
xorpadI'm fighting with myself... The art of you-jitsu. The trick is to anticipate your own attacks before you make them, because when you're as dangerous as me, the only thing you have to worry about is yourself15:34
tgBot<M D> Hello guys. It's a big pleasure to form a part of this development as an user. I have a question if everything is ok. I have a Nexus 5 32gb with hammerhead 6.0.1 but the phone speaker is not working well anymore it sounds thin and low in volume. This with Android. So I have the chance to buy a 16gb version of Nexus 5 with the same characteristics. 16gb is enough for basic stuff or is too Short for ubports? Thank you15:35
xorpadhow much is the nexus 5 price?15:35
xorpadI love the nexus 5, I think it's an amazing device and besides ubports, it has franco kernel and lineageos available15:36
tgBot<neothethird> xorpad: you can find used ones on ebay for about 70 euros15:36
tgBot<neothethird> my telegram notifications just started working again and i have no idea what i did :D15:36
tgBot<neothethird> nobody touch anything lol15:37
xorpadbuy how much is @M D got the chance to buy it for is my question15:37
xorpadneothethird: black magic and a sprinkle of hello world15:37
tgBot<Gartral> Neo, you probably were out of side on your device and the finally so cleared the cache15:38
tgBot<neothethird> xorpad: i suspected star maths and wishy thinking, but your explanation seems to make more sense15:38
tgBot<M D> The price is 65€15:38
xorpadis it used?15:38
tgBot<M D> I just hope I don't have to change the battery15:38
tgBot<M D> Yes it is used15:38
xorpaddownload a battery heath reporting app onto it to make sure it's at least 80% health remaining15:39
xorpadotherwise make a lower offer15:39
tgBot<M D> The one I have it's draining the battery badly and the speaker sounding low15:39
tgBotMoleculeCollection was added by: MoleculeCollection15:39
tgBot<M D> I will do that15:39
tgBot<M D> Thank you15:39
xorpadIve got my main nexus 5 from when they first were released and it's still at 90%, but I stopped using it for 1 year then started again15:39
tgBot<M D> What about the 16gb of space ?15:40
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Should be fine.15:40
xorpadwell, I don't know about you, but I can fit all my favorite albums on there and still have room for recording some video15:40
tgBot<M D> My battery doesn't go further than 80% anymore15:40
xorpadbut there is no sd card slot, so you can't expand it15:40
tgBot<M D> But I need to keep it with Android on this15:40
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Oh. Well, we don't support Multirom so you're just buying an Android phone.15:41
tgBot<M D> At least for now15:41
xorpadI am considering reviving MultiROM15:41
tgBot<M D> Yes I know. I have a Nexus 5 now as my main device15:41
xorpadand porting it to all the phones I have15:41
xorpadI have a lot of phones15:41
tgBot<M D> But I have the chance to buy another but only with 16gb15:41
tgBot<Gartral> I have a nextbit Robin, I love this phone15:42
tgBot<M D> Yeah I know about your hard work xorpad15:43
xorpadM D: hard work?15:43
tgBot<M D> Amazing :)15:43
xorpadmore like hardly working!15:43
tgBot<M D> Well your plans15:43
tgBot<M D> Haha15:43
xorpadMy plans have shifted towards putting all my effort into this project for now15:44
tgBot<M D> Great. I appreciate. I am trying to contribute of the dev of yunit15:46
xorpadmy friend just got here so i'll be afk probably till i sleep15:47
tgBot<M D> So xorpad. You are the expert for me. 16gb worth it or should I keep looking for a 32gb version?15:47
xorpadM D: depends how much music you have and how much video/images you take with the camera and if you want to keep videos on it or not15:48
xorpadi have 16gb and i've never run out15:48
xorpadanyways, afk for semi-long period of time, highlight me on telegram if anyone needs me15:49
xorpadthat will make my phone buzz and I'll probably hear it15:49
tgBot<M D> Thank you man15:49
tgBot<M D> Have a good day15:49
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tgBot<TheOriginalSaiyajin> Xorpad saar16:34
tgBot<wayneoutthere> @xorpad, dr. wayne says "9 out of 10 doctors recommend a balance of sleepless to sleepful nights for optimum health"16:37
tgBotgijstimmers was added by: gijstimmers16:38
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> @TheOriginalSaiyajin, Are you here to do something useful, or just post memes?16:38
tgBot<TheOriginalSaiyajin> @UniversalSuperBox, ;-;16:46
tgBot<TheOriginalSaiyajin> Simon sur invited :v16:47
tgBot<gijstimmers> Hi, I'm new here. Ubuntu has abandoned Ubuntu Phone. What should I expect from this page?16:49
tgBot<Xorpad> @UniversalSuperBox, Well... I've not posted any memes that I recall. And I just spent 40 hours working on the hammerhead kernel so is I'd say I'm being useful... If you wanna rag on me for not uploading code give me a way to upload it. I also posted htop and ccrypt binaries that run on ubports hammerhead, and I've been contributing ideas and trying to work on getting more well acquainted with the system... If you don't want my help though I can fork yo17:01
tgBotproject and leave17:01
tgBot<Xorpad> I've only been obsessively trying to contribute, sorry for liking CS and coding17:02
tgBot<TheOriginalSaiyajin> I guess you're wrong17:03
tgBot<TheOriginalSaiyajin> He was replying me17:03
tgBot<TheOriginalSaiyajin> @UniversalSuperBox, Look @Xorpad17:03
tgBot<Xorpad> Oh... My bad.. Been a long time since I slept, I saw it as me being highlighted... Lack of sleep plays tricks on the mind17:05
tgBot<Flohack> @gijstimmers, You should expect that we continue to develop it =)17:05
tgBot<Davy> It has developed much since April, as Touch was kicked. Try it out, it's worth it (I am new aswell)17:06
tgBot<Xorpad> And expect lots of cool kernel stuff now that I'm here17:06
tgBot<Flohack> (Sticker, 512x461) https://irc.ubports.com/NU5XYZjk/file_961.webp17:07
tgBot<TheOriginalSaiyajin> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/6aQ8j9eE/file_962.mp417:07
tgBot<Xorpad> lulz17:07
tgBot<prpleXist> Hi anybody else having probs with nexus 5  RC channel very buggy restart ahngs whne strting screen not reognizing number and at times wifi not working.17:23
tgBot<Xorpad> I'm on devel but I can reflash and see if the issues are reproducible17:24
tgBot<wayneoutthere> @TheOriginalSaiyajin, so much lol for one day17:24
tgBot<Xorpad> Gonna check now but I gotta reflash and upgrade to rc so gimmie 20 minutes17:25
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> @Xorpad, I see that this misunderstanding has been cleared up now, but you really scared me with that one.17:26
xorpadscared you how?17:27
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> The entire message. I was wondering what I said17:27
xorpaddon't mind me17:28
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> @xorpad, If I use Telegram replies like this, does it highlight you?17:28
xorpadI'm mentally ill, I have brain damage from comptetive MMA fighting for the last 2 years, and I almost always meet the medical definition of sleep deprived to the point of halucinating17:29
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Oh17:29
xorpadso if I acted out of normal I appoligise but it's because my head is not right17:30
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> No problem17:30
xorpadIf you were worried about me leaving, unless the official dev team says the don't want me, I'm gonna be here and contribute as much as I can17:31
xorpadand I don't need them to want me, just consider accecpting my code17:32
xorpadI just want to write code17:32
xorpadand right now I need to try ad reproduce these problems17:33
xorpadbecause it bothers me that rc may be less stable than devel17:34
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> RC and stable are the same image right now17:40
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> And I haven't heard a report like that on the Nexus 5 Stable. So...17:41
xorpadthe one last nick killed my install, had to reflash17:43
tgBot<Ern_st> @prpleXist, I'm on N5 devel, without these problems17:43
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> But it started working again with all of your old apps after the upgrade?17:43
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> (that was for xorpad)17:44
tgBot<Ern_st> @Xorpad, you mean we will have htop by default in the image ?17:44
tgBot<prpleXist> Kevin thanks it happens now and then not sure what is going on17:44
xorpadno, I mean I posted a link to it in the channel today17:44
xorpadI bought and arm systemv7a-neon with thumb 2 to use as a compatible box that I can easily set anything up on and move over to the device17:47
xorpadso I can make binaries that are dynamically linked and put them into the device and use them from the shell17:48
xorpadbecause the system I set up is completely compatible with ubuports anythign I make on it will work dropped into the device17:49
xorpadIt's a lot easier than trying to deal with setting up a cross compiler for everything, because all the dependencies are already there if they are available on ubuntu touch17:50
xorpadand I can update them with the package manager, use package manager to get sources and dependencies for anything I need... It's just a nice solution to the problem with having to set up an entire system so that you can link against stuff when cross compiling17:51
tgBot<TronFourtyTwo> Xorpad, I use the same method,  I use a containers directly on the device so I don't have to mess up with cross-compilers17:52
xorpadTronFourtyTwo, cool now I feel less self-consious about wether it was stupid to do or not17:53
xorpadI was kinda wonder if people were gonna think i'm dumb when I said I did that17:53
xorpadI also got 2 cheap arm based mini-servers, one arm64 and with aarch6417:56
xorpadso I can make binaires for all three17:56
xorpadbut I didn't set up those servers17:57
xorpadthey are liek $4 a month each and you only pay when they are booted and running so it's costs me almost nothing17:57
xorpadLike if I use them actively it may add up to $3 a month17:57
xorpad$0.08 per hour17:57
tgBot<vanyasem> @xorpad, xorpad, sir, is that some kind of a provider? If so, could you please give me the name?17:59
xorpadhttps://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-mfTuH1QCVhd2gxa1VCU0VlUFE is the htop binary... my arm board is turned off and I can't use the ethernet cable right now to pull the ccrypt binary, I accidently deleted it from my google drive17:59
tgBot<vanyasem> @vanyasem, as I need something for my cheap build server and I hate paying the full price as If it was running 24/717:59
xorpadhttps://www.scaleway.com/ @vanyasem18:00
tgBot<vanyasem> thank you18:00
xorpadnp, hope it serves you well18:00
xorpadanyeah, just upgrades to latest rc channel image, and I'm boot looping18:06
xorpadso... probably should backtrack and push the previous version until a new release replaces this one18:07
xorpadbecause v7 of the rc channel is definitely not stable18:07
xorpadthe devel channel build I had worked fine18:07
xorpadanyeah, just upgrades to latest rc channel image, and I'm boot looping... so... probably should backtrack and push the previous version until a new release replaces this one - because v7 of the rc channel is definitely not stable; the devel channel build I had worked fine, i was on the latest version, confirmed it before I reflashes and tried the other channel18:09
tgBot<nfsprodriver> https://www.ubucon.de/2017/ 😢 Didn't know that I should register there.19:06
tgBot<neothethird> yeah, me too19:07
tgBot<neothethird> and i wouldn't have known if i would have had time to go until a couple of days before19:07
tgBot<neothethird> a pity it doesn't happen now19:08
tgBot<nfsprodriver> I fear only few ones knew that they should register. A pitty this hasn't been published in a wider area. That's typical for Northern Germany 🙈19:09
tgBot<gijstimmers> @Flohack, Alright, that's nice19:13
tgBot<gijstimmers> I don't have a supported phone nor can I do any porting19:13
tgBot<gijstimmers> I will watch this project for a while though. Might become really interesting19:13
tgBot<jakko> Question, whats the maximum resolution  of the wireless display setting?19:17
tgBotCrash_Burn was added by: Crash_Burn19:41
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Now, why's the bot gone and done that. Well, guess it disconnected at some point.19:49
tgBot<Crash_Burn> Hey everyone!  I finally made it to the telegram group.  btw... telegram app on N5 and M10 do not work.. only white screen.  Joined using ubuntu desktop app. Working on this of/on for weeks...19:50
thrrgilag@UniversalSuperBox maybe the bot needed a snack?19:50
tgBot<Crash_Burn> Happy to be here and be a part of the UBports project.  Using my N5 as a dailiy driver now and very excited.19:50
tgBot<Stereofont> @Crash_Burn, I think works but not for supergroups?19:51
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> No, a white screen is a separate issue19:51
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Possibly related to https://github.com/ubports/telegram-app/issues/3319:52
tgBot<Crash_Burn> I can get is signed up.. but after that I does nothing.  I finally got a notification when I signed up the M10 and a message finally appeared on my N5... thats all it has ever done.19:52
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> @Flohack, any logs you'd like him to grab?19:52
tgBot<Flohack> @UniversalSuperBox, No its a known bug19:53
tgBot<Flohack> Can help to wipe config folder19:53
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Alright, @Crash_Burn the easiest way to do that is to install the UT Tweak Tool from the OpenStore19:54
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Then select the Telegram app and clear its data19:54
tgBot<Crash_Burn> OK great!  I'll give that a shot.  Thanks.19:54
tgBot<Crash_Burn> My big issue that is the most painful...the phone keeps silently dropping 4g connection... any ideas?  My vpn connection is helping but not fool proof.19:55
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Nexus 5?19:55
tgBot<Crash_Burn> I have ping running consantly in terminal to let me know.19:55
tgBot<Crash_Burn> yep. with ATT connection.19:56
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Very interesting indeed... My FP2 seems to drop my Consumer Cellular (on the AT&T network) connection fairly often too19:56
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Problem is, the issue might actually be due to low signal. That's why I've never reported it.19:57
tgBot<Crash_Burn> Only way to re-establish is to go to flight mode and then back19:57
tgBot<Crash_Burn> Around here I have solid connection everywhere I go... even still.. it should connect back when in range... or at least drop the 4g icon.19:59
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> a-ha.19:59
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Another nice app to use for reporting issues like that is Log Viewer in the OpenStore. Gives you the ability to post to paste.ubuntu.com on demand so you can take logs from the device whenever that happens20:00
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> I haven't had the FP2 out for a spin recently since AT&T is very spotty in my area as it is.20:01
tgBot<Crash_Burn> Cool... getting apps now... looks like OpenStore has an update.20:01
tgBot<Crash_Burn> I love logs! tail -f /var/log/syslog is my favorite20:03
tgBot<Crash_Burn> Just sitting here playing around with UT Tweak tool (awesome app)... 4g connection dropped (browsing and ping have stopped) any logs I can look at to see what is happening?20:18
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Well... dmesg, logcat if available20:18
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Guest19028i need to know if ubuntu touch work in samsung cour20:19
Guest19028ubuntu touch20:20
bp_is ubuntu touch still mantained from the community? is it stable?20:33
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> bp_, yes, that's why we're here.20:34
bp_wow, wonderfull. does it use the same kernel of ubuntu desktop?20:35
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> No, it uses the kernel of the Android device it is running on for hardware compatibility20:36
bp_so, under the hood, it runs the same code of android phones? what are the main differences with android os?20:36
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Well, it only runs Android in a container so that we can use the drivers. Otherwise, it's a GNU/Linux system.20:37
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> That Android in a container is only the hardware compatibility parts of Android. No Java. Ever.20:38
bp_I can develop 'desktop' applications in the same manner i do with gnome/kde? is gtk+ supported?20:40
bp_wonderfull, i will try to install it soon20:41
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> You can run off-the-shelf apps, provided they're compiled, inside of a Libertine container.20:41
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> compiled for ARM / Ubuntu 15.04, that is20:41
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Unity 8 was based on Qt and the Ubuntu UI Toolkit, it's used to develop apps.20:42
tgBot<Flohack> @bp_, We are Ubuntu, what do you want with Gnome or KDE? 😆20:42
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> And you can install Ubuntu Touch on any of the supported devices on https://ubports.com/page/get-ubuntu-touch20:42
bp_i know that ubuntu usually supports this desktop environments! >.< so the best-practice library is qt right?20:44
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> For developing Ubuntu Touch apps, it's the only supported one.20:44
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> There's an app development guide on our forum, would you like me to pull it up for you?20:44
bp_don't worry, i still need to fill in touch with the os, the development time is still so far xD20:45
bp_it will probably take a while to install this os, even because i have not practiced with mobile linux osses yet20:46
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> If you have one of our supported devices, it's as easy as using the UBports Installer, available as a Snap, AppImage, dmg, or exe.20:47
bp_wow, nice. there is place in the development community? what is 'on the edge' right now?20:48
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> There's always a place for developers.20:50
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> @mariogrip, what's exciting to work on right now?20:50
tgBot<mariogrip> @UniversalSuperBox, I would say for apps, chat apps are things in dire need for some love, like telegram and umatriks20:52
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> There are also discussions going on regarding interface changes for the home screen (/scopes) and the content-hub, which you use to send data back and forth between apps (because apps are confined via AppArmor)20:54
bp_very nice, i will install it and come back soon to play with you guys. thank you for the introduction :)20:55
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> No problem!20:56
tgBot<PhoenixLandPirate> @mariogrip, uMatriks is quite a bit behind telegram right now :(20:59
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tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Good job, bot.21:03
thrrgilag@PhoenixLandPirate something that hopefully will change over time. 😁21:05
xorpadso Halium is still using forks mostly merged with the other forks of cyanogenmod right now?21:05
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Depends on which one, but #halium on Freenode is the best place to talk with them!21:06
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> (See you there. :P)21:06
xorpadthanks UniversalSuperBox21:06
tgBot<Stereofont> @Guest19028, That is not one of the supported phones and Samsung phones would be particularly challenging. Maybe try to find a used Nexus 5 as those are quite inexpensive?21:12
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> He's left already21:13
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> You'll notice that pattern a lot. That person is a troll who likes to hit Android-related things fairly often. He'll always start by saying "hi" with a nick, then he'll get booted from the nick because it's registered. He might say 'hi' or 'hello' a few more times, then he'll ask about some old and obscure Samsung phone that nobody wants.21:15
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> If you say the phone isn't supported, he'll drag you along for a bit before leaving.21:15
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> shrug people baffle me.21:16
tgBot<Stereofont> Yes indeed. How is that an entertainment? Hadn't even occurred to me that someone would do that21:20
tgBot<Stereofont> I can see why people genuinely want to breathe life into an old phone. Sad for them that it isn't generally possible - other than Lineage of course21:23
tgBot<PhoenixLandPirate> @Stereofont, Completely agree, I really hoped Ubuntu would solve that problem, but due to kernal versions and needing more hardware to function decently then android at the moment, it looks like we can't be the saviour of old phones, with that being said, I do think all devices that get 16.04, will have support for longer then any android phone released the same year.21:38
tgBot<twinkybot> @all Moving to matrix 😃 cu there21:42
tgBot<twinkybot> or at least hope so :D21:44
tgBot<samzn> Gonna install ubports again and use it as my main device for a while22:10
tgBot<samzn> I'm liking the new aesthetic changes22:10
tgBotferry_toth was added by: ferry_toth22:20
xorpadhttp://zerorax.guru/htop and http://zerorax.guru/ccrypt22:21
xorpadarmv7a binaries22:22
xorpadgonna make a page and post more binaries soon, but not today22:22
xorpadbecause need sleep22:22
tgBot<ferry_toth> Question: I have a Meizu MX4. What can I do to keep it more or less up-to-date? F.i. make the partition r/w and use apt-get? Has anybody tried this? What are the negatives?22:30
tgBot<ferry_toth> Right now I have the original OTA 15.22:35
tgBot<Milan Korecky> @ferry_toth please follow this link with info for your device: https://ubports.com/page/get-ubuntu-touch22:49
tgBot<Xorpad> I haven't been able to get apt working. It can't find any repos. Was thinking of making an unofficial one22:51
tgBot<Xorpad> I've already got myself set up to build and install packages for armv7, so it seems like a logical thing to do22:52
tgBot<Xorpad> But that's a job for another day... Possibly tomorrow22:53
tgBot<ferry_toth> Milan Yes I found this. I also found the list of things Working. But I really want to know what I will loose. F.i. which of the apps? I don't use many, but I would hate to loose openvpn, and syncing calendar and contact with owncloud (caldav, carddav). And of course if things that don't work now would magically work (connecting to my TomTom carkit to play a bit of music would be nice)22:56
tgBotJerome Martignago was added by: Jerome Martignago22:58
tgBot<ferry_toth> @Xorpad Yes, I just noted. Run apt (with / ro) and got a lot of not founds. But that may be just sources.list needing some edits (i hoped)22:58
tgBot<Xorpad> @ferry_toth well, I'll look into that before I go actually making one22:59
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tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> If apt is read-only, it just won't work. Needs to write to places that can't be written to.23:00
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Er, if / is read-only23:01
tgBot<Xorpad> @UniversalSuperBox, Is there actively maintained packages?23:01
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> I'm fairly sure the base repos are still around. Otherwise I have no idea how the rootfs makes it out of the process alive.23:02
tgBot<Milan Korecky> @wayneoutthere, Amazing, many thanks Wayne. Have a nice day in Vancouver. My best regards. me going to sleep.23:02
tgBot<ferry_toth> @UniversalSuperBox I just wanted to dry run23:03
tgBot<Xorpad> Well I'll try and use the repos and if I can I'll check to see if packages are recently updated because of not than an unofficial repo might be worth making23:04
tgBot<Xorpad> I just want to add to the experience anything and everything I am capable of23:06
tgBot<Xorpad> But only if it's a relevant addition23:07
tgBot<ferry_toth> @Xorpad I don't see arm packages in the usual place (i.e. archive.ubuntu.com) but maybe they are somewhere else. Or not. An unofficial repo would be much appreciated.Maybe a ppa?23:07
tgBot<wayneoutthere> @Milan Korecky, haha. no prob!23:08
tgBot<Xorpad> Of course a ppa, it's the Ubuntu way to do it23:08
tgBot<ferry_toth> But what would be the consequence. Loosing OTA? There are no OTA's right? Or am I missing something?23:09
tgBot<Xorpad> I'm not sure the stuff you install will be preserved post update23:09
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> It won't. And updates may fail.23:10
tgBot<Xorpad> @UniversalSuperBox, Thanks for the info... Maybe we should have a PATH entry for a bin for in the /data partition to stop that?23:11
tgBot<ferry_toth> Which post update? I am really in doubt (for the less supported devices like MX7) if the way to go is install UB or just work on a ppa with backported packages?23:11
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> @Xorpad, A what?23:11
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> @ferry_toth, The image based upgrade method doesn't mean you don't get package updates. It just means you get them all at once, in an image.23:12
tgBot<Xorpad> Sorry, typing on my phone... A bin directory in that /data partition that is in the $PATH23:12
tgBot<Xorpad> It would be a trivial feature to add unless I'm missing something23:13
tgBot<ferry_toth> Yes I know how the image is updated. But there are no updates anymore (from Canonical). So, if you don't do image updates, nothing will be broken or undone from the apt updates right?23:13
tgBot<Xorpad> apt is not useful for upgrading when there is system image updates regularly that erase everything apt installs, and as @UniversalSuperBox said, it may break updates23:15
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> There are image upgrades. We ship them.23:15
tgBot<Xorpad> @UniversalSuperBox, Yes that's what i was trying to say23:15
tgBot<ferry_toth> For the MX7?23:16
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> MX... 7?23:16
tgBot<ferry_toth> Meizu MX7 (aka Arale)23:16
tgBot<ferry_toth> err MX4 sorry23:16
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Oh. Yes.23:16
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> https://ubports.com/page/get-ubuntu-touch23:17
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> That is a supported device23:17
tgBot<ferry_toth> It gets security updates and bug fixes, no backports. So I need to install that first to get any system updates. As it is now, I don;t get any updates (still on UT not UB)23:19
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Well, yes23:19
tgBot<ferry_toth> And I still don't know what I will loose by installing UB? WHich apps disappear?23:19
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Well, maybe you'd lose things that were in Meizu's customization `.tar`. A ringtone or two, possibly?23:20
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Did that phone have Cut the Rope?23:20
tgBot<Xorpad> The last few attempts I made to flash the legacy branch failed to boot... Is there any reason it would have worked yesterday but not today?23:20
tgBot<Xorpad> Devel channel works23:21
tgBot<Xorpad> Legacy worked 3 times yesterday but today it failed 3 times23:21
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Legacy is redirected to stable23:22
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> How are you installing?23:23
tgBot<ferry_toth> I'm looking for just the basic stuff. (You know you can install Plasma Mobile, and all that stuff is supported, blah blah, except the phone app is not working, had similar with Cyanomod). So, if you install UB, which apps are there by default? Is there a list?23:23
tgBot<Xorpad> Magic-device-tool. For some reason it's the only one of the 3 methods that detects my phone and flashes it23:24
tgBot<Xorpad> Not sure why other than that I may have messed something up in the Rom that's not in any partitions that get flashed23:24
tgBot<Xorpad> I've messed with this device so much in so many  ways over the time I've had it23:25
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Does it work on one of the other phones in your box?23:25
tgBot<Xorpad> Yes23:25
tgBot<Xorpad> But this one is my baby... It was the one I got when nexus 5 was new... I'm attached to it23:26
tgBot<Xorpad> Was my second smartphone ever23:27
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> What did you do before it started failing? It'd be something outside of the read-only image.23:27
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> And what happens?23:27
tgBot<ferry_toth> (good night)23:27
tgBot<Xorpad> I updated to the rc channel to try and see if the image being pushed Was buggy to investigate a bug report, and when I did the device started boot looping23:28
tgBot<Xorpad> But I got devel installed no problems23:28
tgBot<Xorpad> I wanted to see if the update the guy just flashed was bad or if it was his phone... Then I posted here that you should downgrade until a new image is made to replace it23:30
tgBot<Xorpad> And by you I mean whoever has control of the update channels23:30
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> So, devel works and rc doesn't23:31
tgBot<Xorpad> According to the single attempt I made to use it23:31
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> Does Stable work?23:32
tgBot<Xorpad> Not exactly conclusive proof23:32
tgBot<Xorpad> Not sure... Haven't tried stable23:32
tgBot<Xorpad> Id rather find bugs I can submit fixes for23:32
tgBot<Xorpad> So I use devel23:32
tgBot<Xorpad> Just found one lol... The screen telling me I can swipe from the side won't swipe or do anything and I have to lock and unlock the device to get rid of it... But it keeps coming back23:39
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> https://github.com/ubports/ubports-touch/issues/25623:42
tgBot<UniversalSuperBox> wheeeelp23:42
tgBot<Xorpad> Mine was on hammerhead and it happened every time I opened the update settings... Should i file a report?23:45
tgBot<Xorpad> Or is it known/same issue?23:47
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tgBot<Xorpad> Also when I reboot to try and correct it, my channel is changed from devel to rc, and I have to switch it back to devel to get it working again after the reboot23:56
tgBot<Xorpad> Lots of stuff to fix :D23:56
tgBot<Xorpad> Workaround... Pause download before wifi to cellular handoff then resume... Could automate the pause and resume to squash this23:59
tgBot<Xorpad> Wi-Fi to cellular handoff is tricky because you can't predict it23:59

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