dufluFinally back... (I forgot to take my freenode password to the sprint, or that I had one :)01:24
* duflu wonders if it's a good idea for Ubuntu's openness to leave the channel restricted01:45
jameshit'll probably need to wait for a channel operator to wake up02:20
jbichaspeaking of late feature changes: https://feaneron.com/2017/10/03/improved-half-tiling-available-in-mutter-3-26-1/02:23
jbicharesizable half-tiling02:24
duflujbicha, late features in general are a bad idea. But I think this cycle there's a greater good in getting Ubuntu on 3.26. Certainly seems like upstream is benfiting from the larger user base02:48
duflualso benefiting02:49
jibelgood morning06:03
dufluMorning koza, jibel06:03
dufluIt is actually afternoon here but my bodyclock still has no idea06:15
ricotzhey desktopers06:26
dufluHi ricotz, seb12806:26
ricotzdid someone already tested thunderbird 52.4.0 in artful/proposed?06:26
ricotzI kind of expect problems which I has seen with firefox 52.4 while building it with gcc-706:27
ricotzchrisccoulson, hi, ^06:27
jibelricotz, I'm running it. I've big issue with the redrawing of the UI. But not sure if it's wayland or TB06:36
ricotzjibel, yeah, that is the problem I saw with firefox too06:36
ricotzbuilding it with gcc-6 fixes it06:36
jibelricotz, ah okay, I'll try under X and will downgrade06:37
jibeldid anyone notice any hang when playing a video in fullscreen mode with VLC under wayland?06:37
ricotzchrisccoulson, note that I gave you the diff yesterday which included the gcc-6 changes06:39
jibelTB in proposed is definitely broken06:41
didrocksgood morning07:17
jibelseb128, Laney morning. What was the thing we discussed last week I needed to test on upgrade? if libinput was installed and synaptics removed?07:48
didrocksjibel: I think that's what you discussed, yes07:49
jibelok, great. Doing that now07:49
jibeldidrocks, BTW I still cannot reproduce the crash of the migration script during upgrade. I think it depends on the order of the upgrade.07:50
didrocksjibel: could be, or a package missing for X reasons (but apart from glib and gobject-introspection…)07:50
didrocksmorning Laney08:09
dufluMorning didrocks, Laney, willcooke08:19
didrockshey duflu08:19
willcookehi duflu!08:19
didrocks& willcooke08:20
willcookeHow goes didrocks?08:22
didrocksgoing well! After a short night (Martin is sick since last Friday :/), debugging gnome-shell with my own glib with debug message is an interesting "Am I really awake" experience :p08:24
didrocksand you?08:24
* didrocks already ctrl+c once in the wrong terminal08:25
willcookeI had a similar night08:26
didrockswe should have telegramed it seems :p08:27
didrocksthe debugs are hard to read in addition to this, when you right-click on any appli, the Shell reloads all desktop files08:30
didrocksand I found the bug \o/ (well, I guess)08:32
didrocksI think we did it in a different way in unity for action groups, like loading the keyfile ourself08:32
didrocks(the bug is in the debian patch)08:33
didrocks(unsure how to fix it properly yet)08:34
willcookejibel, thanks for sorting out the KPI site so quickly08:35
Laneythat shizzle is probably over by now08:37
* Laney nods to all08:38
oSoMoNhey Laney, hey desktoppers!08:39
Laneyhey oSoMoN08:39
Laneyyou good?08:39
dufluHi oSoMoN08:40
didrockshey oSoMoN!08:42
willcookekoza, duflu - you guys want to meet today?08:52
dufluwillcooke, I guess only if koza has new things08:52
dufluto discuss08:53
kozawillcooke, we agreed on Mon that we sync today :)08:55
oSoMoNyeah, all good and jet lag seemingly over :08:57
Laneyxnox: it's probably be best to not strip the systemd-tests anyway09:02
Laneybut maybe they should pick a number smaller than 32000 if the file can be that small ;-)09:02
jibelwillcooke, yw, I'll reorganize the dashboards a little bit09:09
oSoMoNhow do you decrement that counter?09:27
didrocksI guess it's a global memory leak09:29
didrocksyou need to wait for midnight :p09:30
duflukoza, in other news I believe Pulse 11 also allows you to use the PC as a BT speaker/headset09:40
duflu... to another device09:40
kozaduflu, i think it can be a speaker even today. if i remember rightly i have been able to pair my phone and play some music (but to be 100% would have to checka again)09:42
duflukoza, yeah the release notes say HSP role was added actually09:42
kozaoh, headset profile09:42
kozanow i understand what the have meant09:43
duflukoza, yeah it's non-obvious what it meant. Sounded like what Pulse already does. You don't expect it to be offering to make your PC into a headset09:44
kozaduflu, yeah, probably something to look into as well as right now the pc can be everyting...09:53
dufluBecause cool people take calls holding their laptop like a phone09:54
dufluMaybe not like that09:54
oSoMoNchrisccoulson, hey, just a reminder that chromium 61.0.3163.100 is ready for publication in the stage PPA09:59
chrisccoulsonoSoMoN, yeah, I've not forgotten ;)10:08
oSoMoNcool, thanks :)10:10
dufludidrocks, is this recursive attachment intentional? :)  https://trello.com/c/dwFl5Rc9/142-fix-the-immediately-obvious-visual-bugs-in-1710s-gnome-desktop10:17
jibelxnox, do you know if i386 desktop images have officially stopped being built? (just to confirm it's okay there is none today)10:27
xnoxjibel, yes they have.10:28
xnoxjibel, thanks to you, we synced all the right people, and Laney dropped it from the manifest and stopped building dailies.10:29
jibelgreat, thanks!10:29
xnoxjibel, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2017-September/004213.html for reference10:30
Laneyguess I should remove the symlinks from pending and current10:35
dufluHa. I thought iso download selection got a bit easier10:35
dufluAlthough i386 is only gone from the beta2 page, and only for desktop (not server)10:37
popeyIs it just me or does Rhthmbox in 17.10 no longer have a volume control?10:44
willcookepopey, we switched to the "alternative" layout as it fits in a bit nicer.  If you really want it back, go in to Plugins and turn off "Alternative Toolbar"10:46
popeyah, so it's not me going mad, phew! :D10:47
popeyI stared at that window for far too long looking for it :)10:47
Laneydidrocks: yo,  https://launchpadlibrarian.net/339594419/ubuntu-themes_16.10+17.10.20170930-0ubuntu1_16.10+17.10.20171003-0ubuntu1.diff.gz <- misses the fix for Radiance?13:00
Laneydidn't go via bileto for this?13:06
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LaneyTrevinho: what's up with resetting the gnome values of those keys you're migrating?13:36
Laneydoesn't that change peoples configuration?13:36
didrocksLaney: indeed, misses the fix for Radiance, no bileto for this, I can reupload with the fix13:39
didrocksLaney: reuploaded13:42
didrocksthanks for spotting it!13:43
jbichaLaney: what do you think about comment 8 on LP: #1717951 ?13:58
ubot5Launchpad bug 1717951 in imagemagick (Ubuntu) "UIFe: Drop imagemagick-display from the default install" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/171795113:58
Laneynot a huge amount I'm afraid14:03
didrocksoSoMoN: ahah, I knew it! :)14:03
Laneyprobably would wontfix that as it leads down the road of adding NoDisplay to the desktop file14:03
didrocksoSoMoN: thanks for testing (did you try without gnome-session installed but unity?)14:04
didrocksI wonder if it's just the ascii order14:04
oSoMoNdidrocks, I didn't, but since I can reliably reproduce I'm already working on a fix14:04
jbichaLaney: ok, people could install vanilla-gnome-desktop/-default-settings if they really want. And I'll try begging the Debian maintainer a bit harder next release cycle :|14:05
seb128it's somewhat difficult to get context in this channel :p14:08
seb128didrocks, oSoMoN, I guess that's about the random fallback session bug?14:08
* seb128 read the day logs 3 times before coming to the conclusion it had to be that :p14:09
oSoMoNseb128, yup14:09
didrocksseb128: yes ;)14:10
oSoMoNblame didrocks, he reacted here to a comment on the bug report ;)14:10
didrocksyou can just ask if you are interested :)14:10
seb128I had enough context to reconstruct :p14:10
oSoMoNthe fallback is not random, it's just taking available sessions in a given order, and using the first one in the list that works14:11
didrocksyeah, so it sounds like ascii14:11
oSoMoNand it turns out that gnome-xorg comes before ubuntu-xorg14:11
* didrocks should have written undetermined fallback rather than random14:13
didrocksin the way "not debugged yet"14:13
seb128jbicha, didrocks, good, somebody confirmed that gnome-screenshot/list-action/gnome-shell bug on arch on the upstream report, not ubuntu specific :-)14:13
didrocksnot surprised TBH :p14:13
seb128me neither14:13
seb128but still good!14:13
didrocksonce upon a time, glib tests were running, lalala14:15
seb128andyrock, Trevinho, good morning U.S :-)14:20
jbichaspeaking of late feature freeze exceptions, GNOME devs intend to land resiable half-tiling this week in 3.26.1 https://feaneron.com/2017/10/03/improved-half-tiling-available-in-mutter-3-26-1/14:25
Laney"freeze, what freeze?"14:27
seb128GNOME :-/14:29
Laneyhaha, yeah, only they would do that14:30
Laneyhey seb128 ;-)14:30
Laneythought you were off today14:30
seb128hey Laney, just in the morning14:31
seb128I'm off tomorrow though14:31
Laneyoh right14:31
Laneyhope it was for something fun :P14:31
seb128"sort of"? visiting a school... :p14:32
oSoMoNhow annoying, get_fallback_session_name is called before the saved session name is read14:32
seb128some having waiting lists years in advance here so I suggest looking early14:32
seb128they suggest*14:33
TrevinhoLaney: hey, they should be reset as unity were using them causing troubles to gnome session. didrocks script was already doing it14:33
oSoMoNyears in advance, that's crazy14:33
seb128well apparently everybody register their kids to a stack of school14:33
seb128and drop the ones they don't care about later14:33
TrevinhoHowever... I've just remembered that for font scaling, we should do something else14:33
didrocks(my script was doing that on Trevinho's request, as it needed to reset it for the GNOME Shell sessions)14:34
seb128didrocks, Laney, jbicha: andyrock mentioned bug #1721125 ... sounds like something we should fix for artful, do you have any idea how we could fix it?14:39
ubot5bug 1721125 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "Enabling OSK enable both legacy osk and gnome-shell osk." [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172112514:39
seb128basically g-c-c writes org.gnome.desktop.a11y.applications screen-reader-enabled14:39
seb128which gnome-session/xdg-autostart pick as an condition to enable the respective osks14:40
Trevinhodidrocks: only way not to break gnome session. However the only setting that the user might have really changes was text scaling that I will change to preserve14:40
seb128one way would be to exclude GNOME for the orca list of desktops but enabling orca under GNOME/xorg is a valid usecase, especially since it's still superior to caribou14:40
jbichayou're confusing onboard with orca, right?14:41
seb128yes :-)14:42
seb128thanks for pointing that out14:43
didrocksseb128: hum, I would go for the same tech on wayland/xorg session. Any reason we want to support both? (I agree that caribou isn't as great, but it means we already have to support it on wayland)14:43
didrocksand I guess it's confusing to have different techs based on session (also, between live and installed version)14:43
didrockslike someone enabling osk on live, and then getting a different osk once installed because running wayland14:44
seb128didrocks, well I expect that somebody using gnome-xorg and wanting to install onboard instead of caribou because it's a better osk is a valid usecase14:44
seb128or ubuntu-xorg14:45
didrocksah right, and you prevent that with the NotShowIn14:45
seb128I don't think there is a good way around though14:45
seb128out of having a mechanism to pick your favorite osk and an UI selector somewhere14:45
jbichamy understanding is that onboard is supposed to take over the screen keyboard functions from caribou (it's ok to have both installed) but that requires gnome-shell-extension-onboard to be installed and enabled14:45
seb128which we are not going to do now14:45
jbichaI haven't looked at screen keyboards in a few months though14:46
didrocksyeah, that's what I was getting at, if we had a picker, yes, otherwise…14:46
seb128so I think the best is just to make onboard NotShowIn=Ubuntu/GNOME in artful?14:46
jbichathere's a packaging problem where there isn't an easy way for a .deb to enable a GNOME Shell extension when it's installed14:46
didrocksseb128: I'm afraid, yes. NotShowIn=GNOME14:47
seb128jbicha, does the extension makes caribou not load?14:47
didrocksas ubuntu is for unity7 and ubuntu session14:47
seb128right, thinko14:47
jbichaseb128: I don't know the details but it allows onboard to work fine except that caribou is still used for PolicyKit prompts & the Activities Overview because of difficulty with how GNOME works14:48
seb128jbicha, well that bug is that when toggle osk to on in g-c-c both keyboard get activated, would the extension fix that?14:48
seb128when you toggle*14:48
jbichayes I believe it would fix that bug (but I haven't tried recently)14:49
seb128anyway seems out of scope for artful now14:49
didrocksensure not both loads after upgrade on ubuntu-xorg session is a good enough fix for now IMHO14:50
jbichaI think we should also check with the onboard devs about the issue14:50
seb128jbicha, I think they are subscribed to the launchpad package, I added it to the list of affected component14:51
jbichayes, let's see if they respond (they usually do) :)14:52
seb128 jbicha, didrocks; thanks for the input14:52
* oSoMoN -> chiropractor15:04
andyrockseb128: so you guys deal with it?15:05
seb128andyrock, well, feel free to do the diff if you want but basically we agree the solution is to remove GNOME from the .desktop OnlyShowIn list15:06
andyrockseb128: if you guys are busy I can do that15:06
jbichaseb128: are you with ok with me adding the alternate recommends/dependencies on gnome-terminal to try to complete LP: #172048215:07
ubot5Launchpad bug 1720482 in xterm (Ubuntu) "Demote xterm to universe" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172048215:07
seb128jbicha, yes15:08
seb128andyrock, thanks15:08
seb128ricotz, thanks for pointing the tb issue earlier, we are looking at resolving it (but by disabling optimizations rather than changing gcc version, it has no issue when building with O2)15:16
jbichayou can use LP: #1721189 to track the thunderbird issue15:36
ubot5Launchpad bug 1721189 in thunderbird (Ubuntu) "Thunderbird 1:52.4.0+build1-0ubuntu1 broken user interface" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172118915:37
ricotzseb128, hi, alright, sounds good15:40
andyrockseb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/1721125/comments/415:47
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1721125 in onboard (Ubuntu) "Enabling OSK enable both legacy osk and gnome-shell osk." [High,In progress]15:47
GunnarHjseb128: Can you please take a look at my latest comment on bug #1662031. Thoughts?16:02
ubot5bug 1662031 in gdm3 (Ubuntu Artful) "Switching language and format broken" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/166203116:02
seb128GunnarHj, hey, I can do that after dinner yes17:07
seb128andyrock, thanks17:07
GunnarHjseb128: Ok, great. Enjoy your dinner! :)17:08
willcookenight all19:06
seb128jbicha, gnome-calendar not being translated is fixed in .1, see https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-calendar/commit/?h=gnome-3-26&id=a1abf4c619:52
jbichaseb128: yes, thanks. I was thinking of waiting for 3.26.2 which should be out by the end of the week19:52
seb128why? is there any issue with .1?19:53
seb128what more is coming in .2?19:53
jbichajust a lot of translation updates is all19:53
seb128do they plan to roll a new tarball only for that?19:53
seb128weird but ok19:54
seb128I would still land the .1 update so the fix can be confirmed19:54
seb128that's more important than updated translations19:54
seb128but that can wait friday I guess19:55
seb128just saw your comments on the bug saying that, we looked at the issue at the same time it seems19:55
seb128sorry for making you repeat yourself on IRC19:55
jbichahmm, ok I'll upload 3.26.1 with urgency=high so it will fix for Debian Testing too then19:56
jbichamaybe you can re-kick the version tracker?19:57
seb128it got stucked again? sure19:57
seb128I need to spend more time to figure out why it's getting regularly stucked19:57
seb128jbicha, k, that one was a local workaround in the checkout dir that created a conflict with a commit change so it needed to be fixed, not a random glitch20:02
seb128it was done for some weeks though :-/20:03
seb128thanks for pointing it out!20:03

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