| duflu | Finally back... (I forgot to take my freenode password to the sprint, or that I had one :) | 01:24 |
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| * duflu wonders if it's a good idea for Ubuntu's openness to leave the channel restricted | 01:45 | |
| jamesh | it'll probably need to wait for a channel operator to wake up | 02:20 |
| jbicha | speaking of late feature changes: https://feaneron.com/2017/10/03/improved-half-tiling-available-in-mutter-3-26-1/ | 02:23 |
| jbicha | resizable half-tiling | 02:24 |
| duflu | jbicha, late features in general are a bad idea. But I think this cycle there's a greater good in getting Ubuntu on 3.26. Certainly seems like upstream is benfiting from the larger user base | 02:48 |
| duflu | also benefiting | 02:49 |
| koza | morning | 06:03 |
| jibel | good morning | 06:03 |
| duflu | Morning koza, jibel | 06:03 |
| duflu | It is actually afternoon here but my bodyclock still has no idea | 06:15 |
| ricotz | hey desktopers | 06:26 |
| duflu | Hi ricotz, seb128 | 06:26 |
| ricotz | did someone already tested thunderbird 52.4.0 in artful/proposed? | 06:26 |
| ricotz | I kind of expect problems which I has seen with firefox 52.4 while building it with gcc-7 | 06:27 |
| ricotz | chrisccoulson, hi, ^ | 06:27 |
| jibel | ricotz, I'm running it. I've big issue with the redrawing of the UI. But not sure if it's wayland or TB | 06:36 |
| ricotz | jibel, yeah, that is the problem I saw with firefox too | 06:36 |
| ricotz | building it with gcc-6 fixes it | 06:36 |
| jibel | ricotz, ah okay, I'll try under X and will downgrade | 06:37 |
| jibel | did anyone notice any hang when playing a video in fullscreen mode with VLC under wayland? | 06:37 |
| ricotz | chrisccoulson, note that I gave you the diff yesterday which included the gcc-6 changes | 06:39 |
| jibel | TB in proposed is definitely broken | 06:41 |
| didrocks | good morning | 07:17 |
| jibel | seb128, Laney morning. What was the thing we discussed last week I needed to test on upgrade? if libinput was installed and synaptics removed? | 07:48 |
| didrocks | jibel: I think that's what you discussed, yes | 07:49 |
| jibel | ok, great. Doing that now | 07:49 |
| jibel | didrocks, BTW I still cannot reproduce the crash of the migration script during upgrade. I think it depends on the order of the upgrade. | 07:50 |
| didrocks | jibel: could be, or a package missing for X reasons (but apart from glib and gobject-introspection…) | 07:50 |
| Laney | morning | 08:03 |
| didrocks | morning Laney | 08:09 |
| duflu | Morning didrocks, Laney, willcooke | 08:19 |
| didrocks | hey duflu | 08:19 |
| willcooke | hi duflu! | 08:19 |
| didrocks | & willcooke | 08:20 |
| willcooke | How goes didrocks? | 08:22 |
| didrocks | going well! After a short night (Martin is sick since last Friday :/), debugging gnome-shell with my own glib with debug message is an interesting "Am I really awake" experience :p | 08:24 |
| didrocks | and you? | 08:24 |
| * didrocks already ctrl+c once in the wrong terminal | 08:25 | |
| willcooke | ha | 08:26 |
| willcooke | I had a similar night | 08:26 |
| didrocks | we should have telegramed it seems :p | 08:27 |
| willcooke | :D | 08:27 |
| didrocks | the debugs are hard to read in addition to this, when you right-click on any appli, the Shell reloads all desktop files | 08:30 |
| willcooke | ?! | 08:31 |
| didrocks | and I found the bug \o/ (well, I guess) | 08:32 |
| didrocks | I think we did it in a different way in unity for action groups, like loading the keyfile ourself | 08:32 |
| didrocks | (the bug is in the debian patch) | 08:33 |
| didrocks | (unsure how to fix it properly yet) | 08:34 |
| willcooke | jibel, thanks for sorting out the KPI site so quickly | 08:35 |
| Laney | that shizzle is probably over by now | 08:37 |
| * Laney nods to all | 08:38 | |
| oSoMoN | hey Laney, hey desktoppers! | 08:39 |
| Laney | hey oSoMoN | 08:39 |
| Laney | you good? | 08:39 |
| duflu | Hi oSoMoN | 08:40 |
| didrocks | hey oSoMoN! | 08:42 |
| willcooke | koza, duflu - you guys want to meet today? | 08:52 |
| duflu | willcooke, I guess only if koza has new things | 08:52 |
| duflu | to discuss | 08:53 |
| koza | willcooke, we agreed on Mon that we sync today :) | 08:55 |
| oSoMoN | yeah, all good and jet lag seemingly over : | 08:57 |
| oSoMoN | :) | 08:57 |
| Laney | xnox: it's probably be best to not strip the systemd-tests anyway | 09:02 |
| Laney | but maybe they should pick a number smaller than 32000 if the file can be that small ;-) | 09:02 |
| jibel | willcooke, yw, I'll reorganize the dashboards a little bit | 09:09 |
| didrocks | number_of_ctrl_c_in_wrong_terminal++ | 09:22 |
| oSoMoN | how do you decrement that counter? | 09:27 |
| didrocks | I guess it's a global memory leak | 09:29 |
| didrocks | you need to wait for midnight :p | 09:30 |
| oSoMoN | heh | 09:30 |
| duflu | koza, in other news I believe Pulse 11 also allows you to use the PC as a BT speaker/headset | 09:40 |
| duflu | ... to another device | 09:40 |
| koza | duflu, i think it can be a speaker even today. if i remember rightly i have been able to pair my phone and play some music (but to be 100% would have to checka again) | 09:42 |
| duflu | koza, yeah the release notes say HSP role was added actually | 09:42 |
| koza | oh, headset profile | 09:42 |
| koza | now i understand what the have meant | 09:43 |
| duflu | koza, yeah it's non-obvious what it meant. Sounded like what Pulse already does. You don't expect it to be offering to make your PC into a headset | 09:44 |
| koza | duflu, yeah, probably something to look into as well as right now the pc can be everyting... | 09:53 |
| duflu | Because cool people take calls holding their laptop like a phone | 09:54 |
| duflu | Maybe not like that | 09:54 |
| oSoMoN | chrisccoulson, hey, just a reminder that chromium 61.0.3163.100 is ready for publication in the stage PPA | 09:59 |
| chrisccoulson | oSoMoN, yeah, I've not forgotten ;) | 10:08 |
| oSoMoN | cool, thanks :) | 10:10 |
| duflu | didrocks, is this recursive attachment intentional? :) https://trello.com/c/dwFl5Rc9/142-fix-the-immediately-obvious-visual-bugs-in-1710s-gnome-desktop | 10:17 |
| jibel | xnox, do you know if i386 desktop images have officially stopped being built? (just to confirm it's okay there is none today) | 10:27 |
| xnox | jibel, yes they have. | 10:28 |
| xnox | jibel, thanks to you, we synced all the right people, and Laney dropped it from the manifest and stopped building dailies. | 10:29 |
| jibel | great, thanks! | 10:29 |
| xnox | jibel, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2017-September/004213.html for reference | 10:30 |
| Laney | guess I should remove the symlinks from pending and current | 10:35 |
| duflu | Ha. I thought iso download selection got a bit easier | 10:35 |
| duflu | Although i386 is only gone from the beta2 page, and only for desktop (not server) | 10:37 |
| popey | Is it just me or does Rhthmbox in 17.10 no longer have a volume control? | 10:44 |
| willcooke | popey, we switched to the "alternative" layout as it fits in a bit nicer. If you really want it back, go in to Plugins and turn off "Alternative Toolbar" | 10:46 |
| popey | ah, so it's not me going mad, phew! :D | 10:47 |
| popey | I stared at that window for far too long looking for it :) | 10:47 |
| willcooke | :) | 10:48 |
| Laney | didrocks: yo, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/339594419/ubuntu-themes_16.10+17.10.20170930-0ubuntu1_16.10+17.10.20171003-0ubuntu1.diff.gz <- misses the fix for Radiance? | 13:00 |
| Laney | didn't go via bileto for this? | 13:06 |
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| Laney | Trevinho: what's up with resetting the gnome values of those keys you're migrating? | 13:36 |
| Laney | doesn't that change peoples configuration? | 13:36 |
| didrocks | Laney: indeed, misses the fix for Radiance, no bileto for this, I can reupload with the fix | 13:39 |
| Laney | thanks! | 13:39 |
| didrocks | Laney: reuploaded | 13:42 |
| Laney | ♥♥ | 13:43 |
| didrocks | thanks for spotting it! | 13:43 |
| jbicha | Laney: what do you think about comment 8 on LP: #1717951 ? | 13:58 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1717951 in imagemagick (Ubuntu) "UIFe: Drop imagemagick-display from the default install" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1717951 | 13:58 |
| Laney | not a huge amount I'm afraid | 14:03 |
| didrocks | oSoMoN: ahah, I knew it! :) | 14:03 |
| Laney | probably would wontfix that as it leads down the road of adding NoDisplay to the desktop file | 14:03 |
| didrocks | oSoMoN: thanks for testing (did you try without gnome-session installed but unity?) | 14:04 |
| didrocks | I wonder if it's just the ascii order | 14:04 |
| oSoMoN | didrocks, I didn't, but since I can reliably reproduce I'm already working on a fix | 14:04 |
| didrocks | yeah | 14:04 |
| jbicha | Laney: ok, people could install vanilla-gnome-desktop/-default-settings if they really want. And I'll try begging the Debian maintainer a bit harder next release cycle :| | 14:05 |
| seb128 | it's somewhat difficult to get context in this channel :p | 14:08 |
| seb128 | didrocks, oSoMoN, I guess that's about the random fallback session bug? | 14:08 |
| * seb128 read the day logs 3 times before coming to the conclusion it had to be that :p | 14:09 | |
| oSoMoN | seb128, yup | 14:09 |
| seb128 | :-) | 14:10 |
| didrocks | seb128: yes ;) | 14:10 |
| oSoMoN | blame didrocks, he reacted here to a comment on the bug report ;) | 14:10 |
| seb128 | right | 14:10 |
| didrocks | you can just ask if you are interested :) | 14:10 |
| seb128 | I had enough context to reconstruct :p | 14:10 |
| oSoMoN | the fallback is not random, it's just taking available sessions in a given order, and using the first one in the list that works | 14:11 |
| didrocks | yeah, so it sounds like ascii | 14:11 |
| oSoMoN | and it turns out that gnome-xorg comes before ubuntu-xorg | 14:11 |
| * didrocks should have written undetermined fallback rather than random | 14:13 | |
| didrocks | in the way "not debugged yet" | 14:13 |
| seb128 | jbicha, didrocks, good, somebody confirmed that gnome-screenshot/list-action/gnome-shell bug on arch on the upstream report, not ubuntu specific :-) | 14:13 |
| didrocks | not surprised TBH :p | 14:13 |
| seb128 | me neither | 14:13 |
| seb128 | but still good! | 14:13 |
| didrocks | yeah | 14:13 |
| didrocks | once upon a time, glib tests were running, lalala | 14:15 |
| seb128 | andyrock, Trevinho, good morning U.S :-) | 14:20 |
| jbicha | speaking of late feature freeze exceptions, GNOME devs intend to land resiable half-tiling this week in 3.26.1 https://feaneron.com/2017/10/03/improved-half-tiling-available-in-mutter-3-26-1/ | 14:25 |
| Laney | aye | 14:27 |
| Laney | "freeze, what freeze?" | 14:27 |
| seb128 | GNOME :-/ | 14:29 |
| Laney | haha, yeah, only they would do that | 14:30 |
| Laney | hey seb128 ;-) | 14:30 |
| Laney | thought you were off today | 14:30 |
| seb128 | hey Laney, just in the morning | 14:31 |
| seb128 | I'm off tomorrow though | 14:31 |
| Laney | oh right | 14:31 |
| Laney | hope it was for something fun :P | 14:31 |
| seb128 | "sort of"? visiting a school... :p | 14:32 |
| oSoMoN | how annoying, get_fallback_session_name is called before the saved session name is read | 14:32 |
| seb128 | some having waiting lists years in advance here so I suggest looking early | 14:32 |
| seb128 | they suggest* | 14:33 |
| Trevinho | Laney: hey, they should be reset as unity were using them causing troubles to gnome session. didrocks script was already doing it | 14:33 |
| oSoMoN | years in advance, that's crazy | 14:33 |
| seb128 | indeed | 14:33 |
| seb128 | well apparently everybody register their kids to a stack of school | 14:33 |
| seb128 | and drop the ones they don't care about later | 14:33 |
| Trevinho | However... I've just remembered that for font scaling, we should do something else | 14:33 |
| didrocks | (my script was doing that on Trevinho's request, as it needed to reset it for the GNOME Shell sessions) | 14:34 |
| seb128 | didrocks, Laney, jbicha: andyrock mentioned bug #1721125 ... sounds like something we should fix for artful, do you have any idea how we could fix it? | 14:39 |
| ubot5 | bug 1721125 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "Enabling OSK enable both legacy osk and gnome-shell osk." [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1721125 | 14:39 |
| seb128 | basically g-c-c writes org.gnome.desktop.a11y.applications screen-reader-enabled | 14:39 |
| seb128 | which gnome-session/xdg-autostart pick as an condition to enable the respective osks | 14:40 |
| Trevinho | didrocks: only way not to break gnome session. However the only setting that the user might have really changes was text scaling that I will change to preserve | 14:40 |
| seb128 | one way would be to exclude GNOME for the orca list of desktops but enabling orca under GNOME/xorg is a valid usecase, especially since it's still superior to caribou | 14:40 |
| jbicha | you're confusing onboard with orca, right? | 14:41 |
| seb128 | yes :-) | 14:42 |
| seb128 | thanks for pointing that out | 14:43 |
| didrocks | seb128: hum, I would go for the same tech on wayland/xorg session. Any reason we want to support both? (I agree that caribou isn't as great, but it means we already have to support it on wayland) | 14:43 |
| didrocks | and I guess it's confusing to have different techs based on session (also, between live and installed version) | 14:43 |
| didrocks | like someone enabling osk on live, and then getting a different osk once installed because running wayland | 14:44 |
| seb128 | didrocks, well I expect that somebody using gnome-xorg and wanting to install onboard instead of caribou because it's a better osk is a valid usecase | 14:44 |
| seb128 | or ubuntu-xorg | 14:45 |
| didrocks | ah right, and you prevent that with the NotShowIn | 14:45 |
| didrocks | hum | 14:45 |
| seb128 | I don't think there is a good way around though | 14:45 |
| seb128 | out of having a mechanism to pick your favorite osk and an UI selector somewhere | 14:45 |
| jbicha | my understanding is that onboard is supposed to take over the screen keyboard functions from caribou (it's ok to have both installed) but that requires gnome-shell-extension-onboard to be installed and enabled | 14:45 |
| seb128 | which we are not going to do now | 14:45 |
| jbicha | I haven't looked at screen keyboards in a few months though | 14:46 |
| didrocks | yeah, that's what I was getting at, if we had a picker, yes, otherwise… | 14:46 |
| seb128 | so I think the best is just to make onboard NotShowIn=Ubuntu/GNOME in artful? | 14:46 |
| jbicha | there's a packaging problem where there isn't an easy way for a .deb to enable a GNOME Shell extension when it's installed | 14:46 |
| seb128 | +1/0/-1? | 14:47 |
| didrocks | seb128: I'm afraid, yes. NotShowIn=GNOME | 14:47 |
| seb128 | jbicha, does the extension makes caribou not load? | 14:47 |
| didrocks | as ubuntu is for unity7 and ubuntu session | 14:47 |
| seb128 | right, thinko | 14:47 |
| jbicha | seb128: I don't know the details but it allows onboard to work fine except that caribou is still used for PolicyKit prompts & the Activities Overview because of difficulty with how GNOME works | 14:48 |
| seb128 | jbicha, well that bug is that when toggle osk to on in g-c-c both keyboard get activated, would the extension fix that? | 14:48 |
| seb128 | when you toggle* | 14:48 |
| jbicha | yes I believe it would fix that bug (but I haven't tried recently) | 14:49 |
| seb128 | k | 14:49 |
| seb128 | anyway seems out of scope for artful now | 14:49 |
| seb128 | agreed? | 14:49 |
| didrocks | +1 | 14:49 |
| didrocks | ensure not both loads after upgrade on ubuntu-xorg session is a good enough fix for now IMHO | 14:50 |
| jbicha | I think we should also check with the onboard devs about the issue | 14:50 |
| seb128 | jbicha, I think they are subscribed to the launchpad package, I added it to the list of affected component | 14:51 |
| jbicha | yes, let's see if they respond (they usually do) :) | 14:52 |
| seb128 | jbicha, didrocks; thanks for the input | 14:52 |
| didrocks | yw! | 14:52 |
| * oSoMoN -> chiropractor | 15:04 | |
| andyrock | seb128: so you guys deal with it? | 15:05 |
| seb128 | andyrock, well, feel free to do the diff if you want but basically we agree the solution is to remove GNOME from the .desktop OnlyShowIn list | 15:06 |
| andyrock | seb128: if you guys are busy I can do that | 15:06 |
| jbicha | seb128: are you with ok with me adding the alternate recommends/dependencies on gnome-terminal to try to complete LP: #1720482 | 15:07 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1720482 in xterm (Ubuntu) "Demote xterm to universe" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1720482 | 15:07 |
| seb128 | jbicha, yes | 15:08 |
| seb128 | andyrock, thanks | 15:08 |
| seb128 | ricotz, thanks for pointing the tb issue earlier, we are looking at resolving it (but by disabling optimizations rather than changing gcc version, it has no issue when building with O2) | 15:16 |
| jbicha | you can use LP: #1721189 to track the thunderbird issue | 15:36 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1721189 in thunderbird (Ubuntu) "Thunderbird 1:52.4.0+build1-0ubuntu1 broken user interface" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1721189 | 15:37 |
| ricotz | seb128, hi, alright, sounds good | 15:40 |
| andyrock | seb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/1721125/comments/4 | 15:47 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1721125 in onboard (Ubuntu) "Enabling OSK enable both legacy osk and gnome-shell osk." [High,In progress] | 15:47 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: Can you please take a look at my latest comment on bug #1662031. Thoughts? | 16:02 |
| ubot5 | bug 1662031 in gdm3 (Ubuntu Artful) "Switching language and format broken" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1662031 | 16:02 |
| seb128 | GunnarHj, hey, I can do that after dinner yes | 17:07 |
| seb128 | andyrock, thanks | 17:07 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: Ok, great. Enjoy your dinner! :) | 17:08 |
| seb128 | thanks | 17:08 |
| willcooke | night all | 19:06 |
| seb128 | jbicha, gnome-calendar not being translated is fixed in .1, see https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-calendar/commit/?h=gnome-3-26&id=a1abf4c6 | 19:52 |
| jbicha | seb128: yes, thanks. I was thinking of waiting for 3.26.2 which should be out by the end of the week | 19:52 |
| seb128 | why? is there any issue with .1? | 19:53 |
| seb128 | what more is coming in .2? | 19:53 |
| jbicha | just a lot of translation updates is all | 19:53 |
| seb128 | do they plan to roll a new tarball only for that? | 19:53 |
| jbicha | yes | 19:54 |
| seb128 | weird but ok | 19:54 |
| seb128 | I would still land the .1 update so the fix can be confirmed | 19:54 |
| seb128 | that's more important than updated translations | 19:54 |
| seb128 | but that can wait friday I guess | 19:55 |
| seb128 | just saw your comments on the bug saying that, we looked at the issue at the same time it seems | 19:55 |
| seb128 | sorry for making you repeat yourself on IRC | 19:55 |
| jbicha | hmm, ok I'll upload 3.26.1 with urgency=high so it will fix for Debian Testing too then | 19:56 |
| seb128 | thanks | 19:56 |
| jbicha | maybe you can re-kick the version tracker? | 19:57 |
| seb128 | it got stucked again? sure | 19:57 |
| seb128 | I need to spend more time to figure out why it's getting regularly stucked | 19:57 |
| seb128 | jbicha, k, that one was a local workaround in the checkout dir that created a conflict with a commit change so it needed to be fixed, not a random glitch | 20:02 |
| seb128 | it was done for some weeks though :-/ | 20:03 |
| seb128 | thanks for pointing it out! | 20:03 |
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