[01:24] <duflu> Finally back... (I forgot to take my freenode password to the sprint, or that I had one :)
[01:45]  * duflu wonders if it's a good idea for Ubuntu's openness to leave the channel restricted
[02:20] <jamesh> it'll probably need to wait for a channel operator to wake up
[02:23] <jbicha> speaking of late feature changes: https://feaneron.com/2017/10/03/improved-half-tiling-available-in-mutter-3-26-1/
[02:24] <jbicha> resizable half-tiling
[02:48] <duflu> jbicha, late features in general are a bad idea. But I think this cycle there's a greater good in getting Ubuntu on 3.26. Certainly seems like upstream is benfiting from the larger user base
[02:49] <duflu> also benefiting
[06:03] <koza> morning
[06:03] <jibel> good morning
[06:03] <duflu> Morning koza, jibel
[06:15] <duflu> It is actually afternoon here but my bodyclock still has no idea
[06:26] <ricotz> hey desktopers
[06:26] <duflu> Hi ricotz, seb128
[06:26] <ricotz> did someone already tested thunderbird 52.4.0 in artful/proposed?
[06:27] <ricotz> I kind of expect problems which I has seen with firefox 52.4 while building it with gcc-7
[06:27] <ricotz> chrisccoulson, hi, ^
[06:36] <jibel> ricotz, I'm running it. I've big issue with the redrawing of the UI. But not sure if it's wayland or TB
[06:36] <ricotz> jibel, yeah, that is the problem I saw with firefox too
[06:36] <ricotz> building it with gcc-6 fixes it
[06:37] <jibel> ricotz, ah okay, I'll try under X and will downgrade
[06:37] <jibel> did anyone notice any hang when playing a video in fullscreen mode with VLC under wayland?
[06:39] <ricotz> chrisccoulson, note that I gave you the diff yesterday which included the gcc-6 changes
[06:41] <jibel> TB in proposed is definitely broken
[07:17] <didrocks> good morning
[07:48] <jibel> seb128, Laney morning. What was the thing we discussed last week I needed to test on upgrade? if libinput was installed and synaptics removed?
[07:49] <didrocks> jibel: I think that's what you discussed, yes
[07:49] <jibel> ok, great. Doing that now
[07:50] <jibel> didrocks, BTW I still cannot reproduce the crash of the migration script during upgrade. I think it depends on the order of the upgrade.
[07:50] <didrocks> jibel: could be, or a package missing for X reasons (but apart from glib and gobject-introspection…)
[08:03] <Laney> morning
[08:09] <didrocks> morning Laney
[08:19] <duflu> Morning didrocks, Laney, willcooke
[08:19] <didrocks> hey duflu
[08:19] <willcooke> hi duflu!
[08:20] <didrocks> & willcooke
[08:22] <willcooke> How goes didrocks?
[08:24] <didrocks> going well! After a short night (Martin is sick since last Friday :/), debugging gnome-shell with my own glib with debug message is an interesting "Am I really awake" experience :p
[08:24] <didrocks> and you?
[08:25]  * didrocks already ctrl+c once in the wrong terminal
[08:26] <willcooke> ha
[08:26] <willcooke> I had a similar night
[08:27] <didrocks> we should have telegramed it seems :p
[08:27] <willcooke> :D
[08:30] <didrocks> the debugs are hard to read in addition to this, when you right-click on any appli, the Shell reloads all desktop files
[08:31] <willcooke> ?!
[08:32] <didrocks> and I found the bug \o/ (well, I guess)
[08:32] <didrocks> I think we did it in a different way in unity for action groups, like loading the keyfile ourself
[08:33] <didrocks> (the bug is in the debian patch)
[08:34] <didrocks> (unsure how to fix it properly yet)
[08:35] <willcooke> jibel, thanks for sorting out the KPI site so quickly
[08:37] <Laney> that shizzle is probably over by now
[08:38]  * Laney nods to all
[08:39] <oSoMoN> hey Laney, hey desktoppers!
[08:39] <Laney> hey oSoMoN
[08:39] <Laney> you good?
[08:40] <duflu> Hi oSoMoN
[08:42] <didrocks> hey oSoMoN!
[08:52] <willcooke> koza, duflu - you guys want to meet today?
[08:52] <duflu> willcooke, I guess only if koza has new things
[08:53] <duflu> to discuss
[08:55] <koza> willcooke, we agreed on Mon that we sync today :)
[08:57] <oSoMoN> yeah, all good and jet lag seemingly over :
[08:57] <oSoMoN> :)
[09:02] <Laney> xnox: it's probably be best to not strip the systemd-tests anyway
[09:02] <Laney> but maybe they should pick a number smaller than 32000 if the file can be that small ;-)
[09:09] <jibel> willcooke, yw, I'll reorganize the dashboards a little bit
[09:22] <didrocks> number_of_ctrl_c_in_wrong_terminal++
[09:27] <oSoMoN> how do you decrement that counter?
[09:29] <didrocks> I guess it's a global memory leak
[09:30] <didrocks> you need to wait for midnight :p
[09:30] <oSoMoN> heh
[09:40] <duflu> koza, in other news I believe Pulse 11 also allows you to use the PC as a BT speaker/headset
[09:40] <duflu> ... to another device
[09:42] <koza> duflu, i think it can be a speaker even today. if i remember rightly i have been able to pair my phone and play some music (but to be 100% would have to checka again)
[09:42] <duflu> koza, yeah the release notes say HSP role was added actually
[09:42] <koza> oh, headset profile
[09:43] <koza> now i understand what the have meant
[09:44] <duflu> koza, yeah it's non-obvious what it meant. Sounded like what Pulse already does. You don't expect it to be offering to make your PC into a headset
[09:53] <koza> duflu, yeah, probably something to look into as well as right now the pc can be everyting...
[09:54] <duflu> Because cool people take calls holding their laptop like a phone
[09:54] <duflu> Maybe not like that
[09:59] <oSoMoN> chrisccoulson, hey, just a reminder that chromium 61.0.3163.100 is ready for publication in the stage PPA
[10:08] <chrisccoulson> oSoMoN, yeah, I've not forgotten ;)
[10:10] <oSoMoN> cool, thanks :)
[10:17] <duflu> didrocks, is this recursive attachment intentional? :)  https://trello.com/c/dwFl5Rc9/142-fix-the-immediately-obvious-visual-bugs-in-1710s-gnome-desktop
[10:27] <jibel> xnox, do you know if i386 desktop images have officially stopped being built? (just to confirm it's okay there is none today)
[10:28] <xnox> jibel, yes they have.
[10:29] <xnox> jibel, thanks to you, we synced all the right people, and Laney dropped it from the manifest and stopped building dailies.
[10:29] <jibel> great, thanks!
[10:30] <xnox> jibel, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2017-September/004213.html for reference
[10:35] <Laney> guess I should remove the symlinks from pending and current
[10:35] <duflu> Ha. I thought iso download selection got a bit easier
[10:37] <duflu> Although i386 is only gone from the beta2 page, and only for desktop (not server)
[10:44] <popey> Is it just me or does Rhthmbox in 17.10 no longer have a volume control?
[10:46] <willcooke> popey, we switched to the "alternative" layout as it fits in a bit nicer.  If you really want it back, go in to Plugins and turn off "Alternative Toolbar"
[10:47] <popey> ah, so it's not me going mad, phew! :D
[10:47] <popey> I stared at that window for far too long looking for it :)
[10:48] <willcooke> :)
[13:00] <Laney> didrocks: yo,  https://launchpadlibrarian.net/339594419/ubuntu-themes_16.10+17.10.20170930-0ubuntu1_16.10+17.10.20171003-0ubuntu1.diff.gz <- misses the fix for Radiance?
[13:06] <Laney> didn't go via bileto for this?
[13:36] <Laney> Trevinho: what's up with resetting the gnome values of those keys you're migrating?
[13:36] <Laney> doesn't that change peoples configuration?
[13:39] <didrocks> Laney: indeed, misses the fix for Radiance, no bileto for this, I can reupload with the fix
[13:39] <Laney> thanks!
[13:42] <didrocks> Laney: reuploaded
[13:43] <Laney> ♥♥
[13:43] <didrocks> thanks for spotting it!
[13:58] <jbicha> Laney: what do you think about comment 8 on LP: #1717951 ?
[14:03] <Laney> not a huge amount I'm afraid
[14:03] <didrocks> oSoMoN: ahah, I knew it! :)
[14:03] <Laney> probably would wontfix that as it leads down the road of adding NoDisplay to the desktop file
[14:04] <didrocks> oSoMoN: thanks for testing (did you try without gnome-session installed but unity?)
[14:04] <didrocks> I wonder if it's just the ascii order
[14:04] <oSoMoN> didrocks, I didn't, but since I can reliably reproduce I'm already working on a fix
[14:04] <didrocks> yeah
[14:05] <jbicha> Laney: ok, people could install vanilla-gnome-desktop/-default-settings if they really want. And I'll try begging the Debian maintainer a bit harder next release cycle :|
[14:08] <seb128> it's somewhat difficult to get context in this channel :p
[14:08] <seb128> didrocks, oSoMoN, I guess that's about the random fallback session bug?
[14:09]  * seb128 read the day logs 3 times before coming to the conclusion it had to be that :p
[14:09] <oSoMoN> seb128, yup
[14:10] <seb128> :-)
[14:10] <didrocks> seb128: yes ;)
[14:10] <oSoMoN> blame didrocks, he reacted here to a comment on the bug report ;)
[14:10] <seb128> right
[14:10] <didrocks> you can just ask if you are interested :)
[14:10] <seb128> I had enough context to reconstruct :p
[14:11] <oSoMoN> the fallback is not random, it's just taking available sessions in a given order, and using the first one in the list that works
[14:11] <didrocks> yeah, so it sounds like ascii
[14:11] <oSoMoN> and it turns out that gnome-xorg comes before ubuntu-xorg
[14:13]  * didrocks should have written undetermined fallback rather than random
[14:13] <didrocks> in the way "not debugged yet"
[14:13] <seb128> jbicha, didrocks, good, somebody confirmed that gnome-screenshot/list-action/gnome-shell bug on arch on the upstream report, not ubuntu specific :-)
[14:13] <didrocks> not surprised TBH :p
[14:13] <seb128> me neither
[14:13] <seb128> but still good!
[14:13] <didrocks> yeah
[14:15] <didrocks> once upon a time, glib tests were running, lalala
[14:20] <seb128> andyrock, Trevinho, good morning U.S :-)
[14:25] <jbicha> speaking of late feature freeze exceptions, GNOME devs intend to land resiable half-tiling this week in 3.26.1 https://feaneron.com/2017/10/03/improved-half-tiling-available-in-mutter-3-26-1/
[14:27] <Laney> aye
[14:27] <Laney> "freeze, what freeze?"
[14:29] <seb128> GNOME :-/
[14:30] <Laney> haha, yeah, only they would do that
[14:30] <Laney> hey seb128 ;-)
[14:30] <Laney> thought you were off today
[14:31] <seb128> hey Laney, just in the morning
[14:31] <seb128> I'm off tomorrow though
[14:31] <Laney> oh right
[14:31] <Laney> hope it was for something fun :P
[14:32] <seb128> "sort of"? visiting a school... :p
[14:32] <oSoMoN> how annoying, get_fallback_session_name is called before the saved session name is read
[14:32] <seb128> some having waiting lists years in advance here so I suggest looking early
[14:33] <seb128> they suggest*
[14:33] <Trevinho> Laney: hey, they should be reset as unity were using them causing troubles to gnome session. didrocks script was already doing it
[14:33] <oSoMoN> years in advance, that's crazy
[14:33] <seb128> indeed
[14:33] <seb128> well apparently everybody register their kids to a stack of school
[14:33] <seb128> and drop the ones they don't care about later
[14:33] <Trevinho> However... I've just remembered that for font scaling, we should do something else
[14:34] <didrocks> (my script was doing that on Trevinho's request, as it needed to reset it for the GNOME Shell sessions)
[14:39] <seb128> didrocks, Laney, jbicha: andyrock mentioned bug #1721125 ... sounds like something we should fix for artful, do you have any idea how we could fix it?
[14:39] <seb128> basically g-c-c writes org.gnome.desktop.a11y.applications screen-reader-enabled
[14:40] <seb128> which gnome-session/xdg-autostart pick as an condition to enable the respective osks
[14:40] <Trevinho> didrocks: only way not to break gnome session. However the only setting that the user might have really changes was text scaling that I will change to preserve
[14:40] <seb128> one way would be to exclude GNOME for the orca list of desktops but enabling orca under GNOME/xorg is a valid usecase, especially since it's still superior to caribou
[14:41] <jbicha> you're confusing onboard with orca, right?
[14:42] <seb128> yes :-)
[14:43] <seb128> thanks for pointing that out
[14:43] <didrocks> seb128: hum, I would go for the same tech on wayland/xorg session. Any reason we want to support both? (I agree that caribou isn't as great, but it means we already have to support it on wayland)
[14:43] <didrocks> and I guess it's confusing to have different techs based on session (also, between live and installed version)
[14:44] <didrocks> like someone enabling osk on live, and then getting a different osk once installed because running wayland
[14:44] <seb128> didrocks, well I expect that somebody using gnome-xorg and wanting to install onboard instead of caribou because it's a better osk is a valid usecase
[14:45] <seb128> or ubuntu-xorg
[14:45] <didrocks> ah right, and you prevent that with the NotShowIn
[14:45] <didrocks> hum
[14:45] <seb128> I don't think there is a good way around though
[14:45] <seb128> out of having a mechanism to pick your favorite osk and an UI selector somewhere
[14:45] <jbicha> my understanding is that onboard is supposed to take over the screen keyboard functions from caribou (it's ok to have both installed) but that requires gnome-shell-extension-onboard to be installed and enabled
[14:45] <seb128> which we are not going to do now
[14:46] <jbicha> I haven't looked at screen keyboards in a few months though
[14:46] <didrocks> yeah, that's what I was getting at, if we had a picker, yes, otherwise…
[14:46] <seb128> so I think the best is just to make onboard NotShowIn=Ubuntu/GNOME in artful?
[14:46] <jbicha> there's a packaging problem where there isn't an easy way for a .deb to enable a GNOME Shell extension when it's installed
[14:47] <seb128> +1/0/-1?
[14:47] <didrocks> seb128: I'm afraid, yes. NotShowIn=GNOME
[14:47] <seb128> jbicha, does the extension makes caribou not load?
[14:47] <didrocks> as ubuntu is for unity7 and ubuntu session
[14:47] <seb128> right, thinko
[14:48] <jbicha> seb128: I don't know the details but it allows onboard to work fine except that caribou is still used for PolicyKit prompts & the Activities Overview because of difficulty with how GNOME works
[14:48] <seb128> jbicha, well that bug is that when toggle osk to on in g-c-c both keyboard get activated, would the extension fix that?
[14:48] <seb128> when you toggle*
[14:49] <jbicha> yes I believe it would fix that bug (but I haven't tried recently)
[14:49] <seb128> k
[14:49] <seb128> anyway seems out of scope for artful now
[14:49] <seb128> agreed?
[14:49] <didrocks> +1
[14:50] <didrocks> ensure not both loads after upgrade on ubuntu-xorg session is a good enough fix for now IMHO
[14:50] <jbicha> I think we should also check with the onboard devs about the issue
[14:51] <seb128> jbicha, I think they are subscribed to the launchpad package, I added it to the list of affected component
[14:52] <jbicha> yes, let's see if they respond (they usually do) :)
[14:52] <seb128>  jbicha, didrocks; thanks for the input
[14:52] <didrocks> yw!
[15:04]  * oSoMoN -> chiropractor
[15:05] <andyrock> seb128: so you guys deal with it?
[15:06] <seb128> andyrock, well, feel free to do the diff if you want but basically we agree the solution is to remove GNOME from the .desktop OnlyShowIn list
[15:06] <andyrock> seb128: if you guys are busy I can do that
[15:07] <jbicha> seb128: are you with ok with me adding the alternate recommends/dependencies on gnome-terminal to try to complete LP: #1720482
[15:08] <seb128> jbicha, yes
[15:08] <seb128> andyrock, thanks
[15:16] <seb128> ricotz, thanks for pointing the tb issue earlier, we are looking at resolving it (but by disabling optimizations rather than changing gcc version, it has no issue when building with O2)
[15:36] <jbicha> you can use LP: #1721189 to track the thunderbird issue
[15:40] <ricotz> seb128, hi, alright, sounds good
[15:47] <andyrock> seb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/1721125/comments/4
[16:02] <GunnarHj> seb128: Can you please take a look at my latest comment on bug #1662031. Thoughts?
[17:07] <seb128> GunnarHj, hey, I can do that after dinner yes
[17:07] <seb128> andyrock, thanks
[17:08] <GunnarHj> seb128: Ok, great. Enjoy your dinner! :)
[17:08] <seb128> thanks
[19:06] <willcooke> night all
[19:52] <seb128> jbicha, gnome-calendar not being translated is fixed in .1, see https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-calendar/commit/?h=gnome-3-26&id=a1abf4c6
[19:52] <jbicha> seb128: yes, thanks. I was thinking of waiting for 3.26.2 which should be out by the end of the week
[19:53] <seb128> why? is there any issue with .1?
[19:53] <seb128> what more is coming in .2?
[19:53] <jbicha> just a lot of translation updates is all
[19:53] <seb128> do they plan to roll a new tarball only for that?
[19:54] <jbicha> yes
[19:54] <seb128> weird but ok
[19:54] <seb128> I would still land the .1 update so the fix can be confirmed
[19:54] <seb128> that's more important than updated translations
[19:55] <seb128> but that can wait friday I guess
[19:55] <seb128> just saw your comments on the bug saying that, we looked at the issue at the same time it seems
[19:55] <seb128> sorry for making you repeat yourself on IRC
[19:56] <jbicha> hmm, ok I'll upload 3.26.1 with urgency=high so it will fix for Debian Testing too then
[19:56] <seb128> thanks
[19:57] <jbicha> maybe you can re-kick the version tracker?
[19:57] <seb128> it got stucked again? sure
[19:57] <seb128> I need to spend more time to figure out why it's getting regularly stucked
[20:02] <seb128> jbicha, k, that one was a local workaround in the checkout dir that created a conflict with a commit change so it needed to be fixed, not a random glitch
[20:03] <seb128> it was done for some weeks though :-/
[20:03] <seb128> thanks for pointing it out!