[04:43] good morning to all [06:21] Good morning [06:25] 'sup, kids. [06:25] Happy World Animal Day. You all get an extra treat today. :P [06:29] o/ [07:08] morning all [07:39] Hey ducasse, how are you? [07:40] good thanks, lordievader - and you? [07:42] Doing good here :) [08:37] bbl work [11:41] Hiyas all [14:27] Hi everyone [14:29] hey pauljw [14:30] hi BluesKaj, how's it going? [14:31] just fine thanks, pauljw, and you ? [14:32] good here [14:45] it's playoff time for American baseball. :D [14:48] :) [14:50] well it's called the "World Series" ...never undesrstood why, because no other leagues other than the American and National Leagues are allowed to participate :-) [14:51] we all know what that implies , but it's rather presumptuous [14:52] just funnin' btw ... i always liked baseball, even played it a bit as a kid [14:52] how many other viable leagues were in existence when it was so named? it is an American sport [14:53] yup, so it should be called the US series or some such [14:55] some such as World Series?? if they were the only leagues in the world at the time, it's not wrong. [14:59] ...but maybe the rug we're sweeping the rest of history under is big enough for baseball, too. [15:05] this site debunks internet myths and it seems derive from world championship series from the 1880s or so http://www.snopes.com/business/names/worldseries.asp [15:06] but it's still presumptuous :-) [15:06] there are canadian teams :) [15:07] there were lots of baseball teams in Canada, especially in 1903 [15:07] yeah [15:08] was just saying the "us series" would also be wrong [15:08] but they didn't have money to challenge the American pros [15:10] Canada invented hockey but it took American money, arenas and fans to make it a pro league [15:29] pauljw: there are a lot of asian and south american leagues [15:29] japan and korea in particular are noteworthy [15:29] But also, yes, Canadian teams. [15:30] well, not just "team". Used to be "teams" [15:30] s/not/now/ === kostkon_ is now known as kostkon [15:53] there's also a baseball world cup plus the olympics [15:54] nicomachus: so i guess the Royals as we knew them are now gone, who knows how many players will leave! [15:54] at least 3 key players. and we already let 5 coaches go. [15:55] what's happening with the Royals? [15:55] well they didn't make it to postseason this year, most likely due to getting rid of too many good players for this season [15:55] doubt it was really the coaches fault, but they got the axe anyway [15:56] ehh... our pitching was pretty sub-standard. And the pitching coach was the big one they let go. [15:57] BluesKaj: 3 key players are now free agents (contracts were up), and we just don't have the money to renew their contracts. [15:57] not good , guess they got rid of some big salaries [15:57] weirdly it's still Alex Gordon who earns the most versus anyone else [15:58] we're paying him WAY too much [17:00] good evening guys [17:03] hey BluesKaj [17:03] hey lotuspsychje [17:03] hi oerheks [17:04] wayland isnt going well for me on artful [17:04] buggy mouse lags over animations/icons start [17:05] i read alot of those kind of bugs on wayland, both fedora & ubuntu [17:05] heya lotus :-D [17:05] i haven't even bothered trying wayland since i'm on kde/plasma with nvidia gpu [17:07] kk [17:09] fedora 25 with wayland and gnome 3 was very smooth and silkywith intel i915 driver but it was still gnome so it didn't last long on my laptop [17:10] BluesKaj: remember wich gnome version that was? [17:10] fedora is much smoother, for ages, smoother bootscreen, and such [17:12] I think most of that is to do with using gdm rather than lightdm/sddm, and this stupid split where the greeter runs on a different tty at times [17:14] the weird thing overall smoothnes is okay, just when i click icons to launch programs its laggy [17:15] htop shows gnome-shell and wayland ontop [17:15] lotuspsychje,well that makes sense, ..must be something else eating resourcers [17:16] on xorg, everything runned like rocket [17:17] you think wayland will not be a light thing to install on older systems? [17:17] time to dump the single core athlon XP, lotus :) [17:17] * daftykins ducks [17:17] lolll [17:17] hehe [17:17] its a 64bit amd 3200!!! [17:17] w00t [17:18] 2gig ram & 120gig ssd [17:18] i still boot faster then w10 [17:18] oh i could've sworn you said it was still an Athlon XP :) [17:19] lol [17:19] I'm on an old amd 5200+ dual core , maybe wayland will run ok if I replace the nvidia with an amd gpu, or will it ? [17:19] it might legacy boot something faster than 10, but modern hardware can boot 10 faster than old kit can boot legacy OSs [17:19] with an ati X800 [17:19] daftykins: thats true, cant compare with intel i... [17:19] don't dump nvidia D: [17:20] BluesKaj: tested artful on that machine? [17:21] lotuspsychje, yup, speaking to you from Artful kde/plasma [17:21] cool [17:22] I read about wayland devel co-operation between nvida and fedora devs [17:23] they've formed a team, but i use the word loosely [17:23] still smells to me like AMD's drivers are in a state of flux [17:24] daftykins: hmm that could be it right [17:25] i really wonder artful final [17:25] if they well make it with wayland [17:26] yeah, things will reamain so for a while until OS devels and the mfgs firm up their positions on wayland so to speak [17:28] but I do think wayland is the future, no going back now [17:28] indeed [17:41] lol [17:42] https://www.thetrackr.com/bravo [17:45] bbl [17:49] hmm apparently the nouveau driver woks with wayland for nvidia gpus..nouvea has usually worked well with my semi-legacy Geforce 210 gpu [17:56] !info nvidia-384 [17:56] Package nvidia-384 does not exist in xenial [17:57] !info nvidia-384 artful [17:57] Package nvidia-384 does not exist in artful [18:32] hmm, the kwin-wayland deb package has unmet dependencies, oh well , maybe next time [18:35] awaiting nvidia-384 to hit the artful repo : https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/artful-changes/2017-October/011550.html . [18:38] what i meant was the kwin package has unmet dependencies with the nouveau driver. wayland is supposed to work on the nouveau according to the article i just read [18:40] * Bashing-om afk for bout an hour :( [18:41] not the lawn again?!