[04:43] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[06:21] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:25] <jink> 'sup, kids.
[06:25] <jink> Happy World Animal Day.  You all get an extra treat today. :P
[06:29] <lordievader> o/
[07:08] <ducasse> morning all
[07:39] <lordievader> Hey ducasse, how are you?
[07:40] <ducasse> good thanks, lordievader - and you?
[07:42] <lordievader> Doing good here :)
[08:37] <lotuspsychje> bbl work
[11:41] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:27] <pauljw> Hi everyone
[14:29] <BluesKaj> hey pauljw
[14:30] <pauljw> hi BluesKaj, how's it going?
[14:31] <BluesKaj> just fine thanks, pauljw, and you ?
[14:32] <pauljw> good here
[14:45] <nicomachus> it's playoff time for American baseball. :D
[14:48] <pauljw> :)
[14:50] <BluesKaj> well it's called the "World Series" ...never undesrstood why, because no other leagues other than the American and National Leagues are allowed to participate :-)
[14:51] <BluesKaj> we all know what that implies , but it's rather presumptuous
[14:52] <BluesKaj> just funnin' btw ... i always liked baseball, even played it a bit as a kid
[14:52] <pauljw> how many other viable leagues were in existence when it was so named?  it is an American sport
[14:53] <BluesKaj> yup, so it should be called the US series or some such
[14:55] <pauljw> some such as World Series??  if they were the only leagues in the world at the time, it's not wrong.
[14:59] <pauljw> ...but maybe the rug we're sweeping the rest of history under is big enough for baseball, too.
[15:05] <BluesKaj>  this site debunks internet myths and it seems derive from world championship series from the 1880s or so http://www.snopes.com/business/names/worldseries.asp
[15:06] <BluesKaj> but it's still presumptuous :-)
[15:06] <nacc> there are canadian teams :)
[15:07] <BluesKaj> there were lots of baseball teams in Canada, especially in 1903
[15:07] <nacc> yeah
[15:08] <nacc> was just saying the "us series" would also be wrong
[15:08] <BluesKaj> but they didn't have money to challenge the American pros
[15:10] <BluesKaj> Canada invented hockey but it took American money, arenas and fans to make it a pro league
[15:29] <nicomachus> pauljw: there are a lot of asian and south american leagues
[15:29] <nicomachus> japan and korea in particular are noteworthy
[15:29] <nicomachus> But also, yes, Canadian teams.
[15:30] <nicomachus> well, not just "team". Used to be "teams"
[15:30] <nicomachus> s/not/now/
[15:53] <BluesKaj> there's also a  baseball world cup plus the olympics
[15:54] <daftykins> nicomachus: so i guess the Royals as we knew them are now gone, who knows how many players will leave!
[15:54] <nicomachus> at least 3 key players. and we already let 5 coaches go.
[15:55] <BluesKaj> what's happening with the Royals?
[15:55] <daftykins> well they didn't make it to postseason this year, most likely due to getting rid of too many good players for this season
[15:55] <daftykins> doubt it was really the coaches fault, but they got the axe anyway
[15:56] <nicomachus> ehh... our pitching was pretty sub-standard. And the pitching coach was the big one they let go.
[15:57] <nicomachus> BluesKaj: 3 key players are now free agents (contracts were up), and we just don't have the money to renew their contracts.
[15:57] <BluesKaj> not good , guess they got rid of some big salaries
[15:57] <daftykins> weirdly it's still Alex Gordon who earns the most versus anyone else
[15:58] <nicomachus> we're paying him WAY too much
[17:00] <lotuspsychje> good evening guys
[17:03] <lotuspsychje> hey BluesKaj
[17:03] <BluesKaj> hey lotuspsychje
[17:03] <lotuspsychje> hi oerheks
[17:04] <lotuspsychje> wayland isnt going well for me on artful
[17:04] <lotuspsychje> buggy mouse lags over animations/icons start
[17:05] <lotuspsychje> i read alot of those kind of bugs on wayland, both fedora & ubuntu
[17:05] <oerheks> heya lotus :-D
[17:05] <BluesKaj> i haven't even bothered trying wayland since i'm on kde/plasma with nvidia gpu
[17:07] <lotuspsychje> kk
[17:09] <BluesKaj> fedora 25 with wayland and gnome 3 was very smooth and silkywith intel i915 driver but it was still gnome so it didn't last long on my laptop
[17:10] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: remember wich gnome version that was?
[17:10] <oerheks> fedora is much smoother, for ages, smoother bootscreen, and such
[17:12] <TJ-> I think most of that is to do with using gdm rather than lightdm/sddm, and this stupid split where the greeter runs on a different tty at times
[17:14] <lotuspsychje> the weird thing overall smoothnes is okay, just when i click icons to launch programs its laggy
[17:15] <lotuspsychje> htop shows gnome-shell and wayland ontop
[17:15] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje,well that makes sense, ..must be something else eating resourcers
[17:16] <lotuspsychje> on xorg, everything runned like rocket
[17:17] <lotuspsychje> you think wayland will not be a light thing to install on older systems?
[17:17] <daftykins> time to dump the single core athlon XP, lotus :)
[17:17]  * daftykins ducks
[17:17] <lotuspsychje> lolll
[17:17] <BluesKaj> hehe
[17:17] <lotuspsychje> its a 64bit amd 3200!!!
[17:17] <lotuspsychje> w00t
[17:18] <lotuspsychje> 2gig ram & 120gig ssd
[17:18] <lotuspsychje> i still boot faster then w10
[17:18] <daftykins> oh i could've sworn you said it was still an Athlon XP :)
[17:19] <lotuspsychje> lol
[17:19] <BluesKaj> I'm on an old amd 5200+ dual core , maybe wayland will run ok if I replace the nvidia with an amd gpu, or will it ?
[17:19] <daftykins> it might legacy boot something faster than 10, but modern hardware can boot 10 faster than old kit can boot legacy OSs
[17:19] <lotuspsychje> with an ati X800
[17:19] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: thats true, cant compare with intel i...
[17:19] <daftykins> don't dump nvidia D:
[17:20] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: tested artful on that machine?
[17:21] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje, yup, speaking to you from Artful kde/plasma
[17:21] <lotuspsychje> cool
[17:22] <BluesKaj> I read about wayland devel co-operation between nvida and fedora devs
[17:23] <BluesKaj> they've formed a team, but i  use the word loosely
[17:23] <daftykins> still smells to me like AMD's drivers are in a state of flux
[17:24] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: hmm that could be it right
[17:25] <lotuspsychje> i really wonder artful final
[17:25] <lotuspsychje> if they well make it with wayland
[17:26] <BluesKaj> yeah, things will reamain so for a while until OS devels and the mfgs firm up their positions on wayland so to speak
[17:28] <BluesKaj> but I do think wayland is the future, no going back now
[17:28] <lotuspsychje> indeed
[17:41] <lotuspsychje> lol
[17:42] <lotuspsychje> https://www.thetrackr.com/bravo
[17:45] <lotuspsychje> bbl
[17:49] <BluesKaj> hmm apparently the nouveau driver woks with wayland for nvidia gpus..nouvea has usually worked well with my semi-legacy Geforce 210 gpu
[17:56] <Bashing-om> !info nvidia-384
[17:57] <Bashing-om> !info nvidia-384 artful
[18:32] <BluesKaj> hmm, the kwin-wayland deb package has unmet dependencies, oh well , maybe next time
[18:35] <Bashing-om> awaiting nvidia-384 to hit the artful repo : https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/artful-changes/2017-October/011550.html .
[18:38] <BluesKaj> what i meant was the kwin package has unmet dependencies with the nouveau driver. wayland is supposed to work on the nouveau according to the article i just read
[18:40]  * Bashing-om afk for bout an hour :(
[18:41] <daftykins> not the lawn again?!