[00:27] gps [00:28] @samitormanen, I've checked with my Nexus 4 in devel, i don't have any probleme with my GPS between app and test_gps. You can try to remove the cache of the app and see: Otherwise can you reflash the phone ? [00:36] Project daily-hammerhead build #341: SUCCESS in 22 min: http://ci.ubports.com/job/daily-hammerhead/341/ [00:38] Project ota-push build #1116: SUCCESS in 2 min 3 sec: http://ci.ubports.com/job/ota-push/1116/ [00:39] Re: apt repos, they are the official Ubuntu arm repos and work fully when you remount / as rw, but we need to make it install to /data somewhere and have the data partition contain everything outside the ROM... Just my opinion [00:40] Like /data/folder should be a second location for files that would normally be installed relative to / so that the stuff survives and doesn't prevent updates [00:41] Should be fairly easy... Simple mod to the vfs [00:41] I'll look into implenting that in the coming days [00:43] @Xorpad, The reason that wasn't done in the past, I think, was to keep people from breaking things by doing apt-get update [00:43] and upgrade [00:44] Well, another reason was that phones were too slow to do an apt-get upgrade, but that's entirely moot at this point [00:44] Well, I'm gonna code it and you can either use it or not... If not I'll keep it for myself [00:45] The reason is twofold, as the Ubuntu Phone team wasn't able to vet the packages coming into the base repositories... so someone else's bug could become a bug on many peoples' phones, very fast [00:46] Indeed, but if it does mess up rebuilding the tree would be simple [00:46] Now, that would become moot if there were transactional updating, as you could roll back if you detected a failure of any component of the system... snaps snaps [00:48] I do wonder if there's a better way to do it now, with things like OsTree in the wild. Just update the packages on the phone, roll back if any failure is detected, report the failure to the developers. [00:48] Like, if apt is restricted to install outside the ROM and in users storage space, deleting the directory tree and initializing it again could be one click on the recovery mode or even in settings menu [00:48] @UniversalSuperBox What is the relationship between UBports and Purism Librem 5? Was thinking about pledging $599 but after seeing all the work that has gone into UBports/UT I don't know how much of a chance they have. Thoughts? [00:48] @Crash_Burn, There isn't one yet. [00:48] We've initiated contact very recently, haven't heard back yet. [00:48] @Xorpad, That would have to be completely automatic. [00:49] (Photo, 223x33) https://irc.ubports.com/eCN5MdUf/file_964.jpg **existential crisis** [00:50] Its a nice idea, but look how much work has gone into UBports... how can they possibly make it happen? Are they going to use Intel/AMD chips and move into micro laptops with touch screens? What am i missing? [00:50] Yes, we would have to modify dpkg to install to the alternate directory tree and anything else related to non-rom based stuff [00:50] @Crash_Burn, Just install yunit ;) [00:50] So that the Rom stays unmodded [00:51] @Crash_Burn, It's an ARM processor with (they claim) upstream kernel support. So it's just as easy as installing any supported deb package. [00:51] This discussion made the initial reason for snaps click, @Xorpad [00:52] Of course that's why they did it. So when shit hits the fan, no one notices. [00:52] @UniversalSuperBox, Well like I said I code it, your free to decline to use it [00:53] Maybe you'd like to look at Libertine a little more before you do [00:53] Thanks for the tip, I'll be sure to do that [00:53] Libertine containerizes non-click apps so that they're still confined with AppArmor. [00:54] So it means that UBports 16.04 = Librem 5 ? [00:54] @Crash_Burn, We have no comment yet. The phone does not exist. [00:54] I think they're running Debian right now, though [00:54] On the development board [00:55] @Xorpad, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Libertine [00:56] @UniversalSuperBox, Roger... Bookmarked for reading in next few days [00:56] Night night ppls [00:56] Night [00:56] So then Android is totally out of the picture? (Yay!) How will the phone makers supply necessary drivers... that has always been the crux of the problem no? [00:57] @Crash_Burn, They're trying to select hardware that does not have any out-of-tree drivers. That is, every driver is inside the linux kernel source [00:57] So no Android, no libhybris, no Halium [00:58] Good luck with that... phone makers will resist as they have in the past. [00:58] Google will make them [00:59] https://puri.sm/posts/the-librem-5-development-roadmap-and-progress/ … Maybe this will clear it up a bit. All of the hardware is in-kernel. They're manufacturing the phone themselves. [01:00] And maybe here's a good time to invite you to discuss this in our offtopic group, @ubports_ot. Simply because I don't want to clutter people's notifications with more talk about the Librem 5. It's getting fatiguing. [01:01] @xorpad, Wow. A fighter and a developer. Noice [01:01] Amature fighter who isn't especially good [01:01] Lol [01:02] Lel [02:25] KrisJacewicz was added by: KrisJacewicz === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === Piece_Maker is now known as Acou_Bass [02:54] I see that Nexus5 is supported as COre device, but would the image run on Nexus5X as well? [03:16] So far nope [03:16] and welcome @KrisJacewicz [03:17] hi Kevin, and thanks, will try to get Nexus5 [03:17] I hv the legacy MX4 though, and will continue with it as well [03:17] Good choice for the N5 not expensive and working well with ubuntu touch [03:18] I will want to continue some software development trends on UT now that I found it is continued [03:18] I originally started creating apps and services for UT with Lazarus IDE< whch is even possible on the phone itself [03:18] You were supporting app before ? [03:18] some highlights: [03:18] http://kriscode.blogspot.tw/2016/10/lazarus-development-for-ubuntu-phone.html [03:18] YES but not the official ways [03:19] nbo clicks/snaps etc [03:19] pure native coding [03:19] with Lazarus IDE which is amazing and can run natively on Linux ARM, so also on the phojne itself [03:19] I also started an alternative software distribution platform [03:19] that now I will want to continue [03:20] that allows for installing non confined apps without sudo [03:20] under user's home directory [03:20] even click apps can be repackaged [03:20] I did that with the official terminal app [03:20] so that it can be installed without click, and unconfined [03:20] Sounds interesting slighty overshooting my competencies ^^ [03:21] I can suggest you to create a subject on the forum to inform people and keep a better trace than here [03:21] I just heard about UB ports in an email earleir today and I am super excited that there is still continuation on it [03:21] https://forums.ubports.com/ [03:21] I thing Canonical was not true to their own claims [03:22] they claimed the Ubuntu Phone would be primarily targetted at Linux fans and devs/hackers [03:22] not regular endusers [03:22] yet the default phone installation would lack the most basicc the critically essential temrinal app [03:22] so they completely ignored the market that they said was their p[rimary focus before phone would eventually be mainstream ready [03:23] Depends for who ... [03:23] abt the forum, I will consider doing that, thanks [03:23] I don't have facebook neither instagram even less snapchat ^^ [03:23] I've to admit missing a native nextcloud and protonmail app on Utouch... [03:24] I mean, UT was perfectly capapble of running multitude of legacy apps, even not tailored at the form factor and input mode, but it all worked, in the hacky way that the fans and dev/hackers would be interested in [03:25] Stats are good for the motivation : http://stats.ubports.com/ [03:26] and to install Ubuntu touch https://www.ubports.com/page/get-ubuntu-touch @KrisJacewicz [03:26] thanks! [03:28] I forgot that : https://github.com/ubports/ubports-touch you have everything now, enjoy the ride ^^ [03:50] so Kevin, are you the one who maintains the entire project? [03:56] if so, I would like to kindly forward a request to you to include 3 very light packages in the default release images: maliit-inputcontext-gtk3 maliit-inputcontext-gtk2 xauth … The rationale is explained in my blog article that I earlier shared. But in short, UT supports GTK apps, just the onscreen keyboard does not. If you add maliit packages for gtk3 and gtk2 (which are very very light in size, tiny even) the OSK will work. Otherwise users wi [03:56] manually remount / to rw, install these packages, and remount back to ro. The 3rd package "xauth" is so that you can generate .Xauthority file, so that you can ssh into your phone with X forwarding. That is a BIG deal, because although UT devices run Mir, but if you ssh into it from desktop that has X.org, then you can run X apps off your phone onto your laptop's monitor and it will just work. It is pure magic too. You can carry all your apps in your pocket, an [03:56] arrive home/office you just login to your PC/laptop, ssh into your phone with -X switch, and you can launch X apps off your phone onto your desktop. [03:58] I personally used plenty of software like that off my MX4 Ubuntu Edition phone: Libre Office, Thnderbird, Geany, Lazarus, Firebox,Chromium,Nautilus, end many more. [03:58] with mallit packages for GTK and xauth, the phone becomes a swiss army knife [03:58] a real deal [04:10] @KrisJacewicz, No I'm not see with these guys @UniversalSuperBox @neothethird @mariogrip [04:10] thanks again! [05:31] Davide Barretta was added by: Davide Barretta === JanC is now known as Guest53841 === JanC_ is now known as JanC [05:45] Welcome Davide [05:49] And wow. The last two nights with @Xorpad and @KrisJacewicz we got two innovative and commutative developers in addition. Thank you for being here and wanting to contribute! [05:49] I'm super happy to learn that there is this amazing initiative to be joined! [05:55] @Xorpad I see your htop package and one me as a noob can not understand😑. If you don't mind, maybe you can upload them to https://openstore.ubports.com/ so even the mainly users like me are able to install and use it. Open store has also release and update management so updates are possible for you as developer and will land on the phones directly. [05:59] By the way, the uMatriks devs made huge progress. Yesterday they published a pree release in https://matrix.to/#/#uMatriks:matrix.org which allows login with homeserver accounts! [06:03] We have > 10k installations ATM following https://stats.ubports.com/ [06:04] So it is good that there is a lively discussion, but hard for me to follow it. [06:07] @bastos777, Not for uMatriks unfortunately but ubports Ubuntu Touch 😎 [06:11] Good morning, why is so difficult to flash nexus 5 I cannot type at setting telephone screen is out of synk like and letter do not type properly [06:11] (Photo, 1280x721) https://irc.ubports.com/0PcI3haj/file_966.jpg [06:33] MOrning All. [06:33] morning 😊 [06:34] Morning [06:34] I'm new to the project and very much in the honeymoon period it seems. [06:35] because i just made a decent paypal contribution. [06:35] @howie sidekick, 😎 [06:35] Thanks! [06:36] @prpleXist, That's a bug that sometimes appears, but not on all devices. My nexus 5 is spared, as it seems. A reboot should fix it, as I heah [06:36] @howie sidekick, Awesome, thank you [06:37] @neothethird, you guys are really doing great work [06:38] it's looking smooth on the Oneplus One for me [06:39] and I've converted another user to UT on their oneplus one [06:39] as daily driver [06:42] Hope I'm not monopolising the conversation suddenly! Is there somewhere I've missed where I can find tutorials on how to get more access to settings on Ubuntu touch? There's a couple of issues I need to resolve on the Oneplus. [06:48] Tutorials and documentation is a pain point... If you wanna do something beyond what the system settings allow, you can use UT tweak tool from the openstore [06:54] Ok, have actually tried that and am looking for deeper access to the system I think. I am having an issue at the moment with the calendar app not saving more than four entries in the agenda view, and an issue with a bad echo on calls using speakerphone. The echo issue is long recognised on this phone and may require editing of system files which I cannot do presently. [06:58] correction: calendar app not saving more than 2 entries in the calendar view. [07:00] should I try hacking with via adb and developer mode? there is no important data on the phone so I can always just reflash if it goes too wrong. [07:01] Project click-import build #15: SUCCESS in 5.4 sec: http://ci.ubports.com/job/click-import/15/ [07:01] Project vivid-rootfs-armhf build #150: SUCCESS in 12 sec: http://ci.ubports.com/job/vivid-rootfs-armhf/150/ [07:01] Project ota-push build #1117: SUCCESS in 7.1 sec: http://ci.ubports.com/job/ota-push/1117/ [07:01] anyone got nexus7 wifi to ota2 yet? [07:02] The echo issue has been around for a couple of years on the Oneplus One in many android versions. [07:02] i have ota 1 r1 and doesnt want to update? [07:21] @neothethird, I think I want to edit mixer_paths.xml to resolve a speakerphone echo issue on the oneplus, could I do that by enabling developer mode, connecting to ubuntu via adb and then using terminal? Apologies for messaging you directly if you're busy. [07:35] @KrisJacewicz, This sound really great news for convergence! I think @mariogrip will be very interested in this idea. [07:38] (Photo, 633x826) https://irc.ubports.com/HJ756cXr/file_968.jpg also, I really like using UT in windowed mode, and if so, I like to have my OSK partially transparent: [07:39] not sure if your image includes the transparent OSK hack, I wroter about it: http://kriscode.blogspot.tw/2016/12/ubuntu-touch-oosk-qml-hack-for-transparency.html [07:39] would be great if in the system settings the user could set the transparency level with a slider [07:40] I know that back when UT was supported by Canonical some devs actuallyt made it into proposed image [07:43] (Photo, 1200x897) https://irc.ubports.com/gtTwJFiE/file_970.jpg also, I would love to revive my suspended project for alternative sofftware distribution, that does not rely on click/snap, just pure installing into home folder, and without sudo [07:43] with a dedicated store-like app [07:43] some click packages can even be repackaged [07:43] I did it with terminal app [07:44] and so you can install terminal app unconfined which is much better for power users [07:45] the installer supports GTK apps, and it will automatically create launcher in the app scope so that user will not need to care if it is Mir or GTK app [07:49] @KrisJacewicz, very nice, thanks for posting this, wasn#t aware of it. [07:50] well, AFAIK nobody else was exploring GTK apps running natively on the phone back in the days, only Libertine Project was trying to push the idea of conteiners [07:51] but I was really going to push the limits, until Canonical abandoned the platform [07:51] so now I am super excited that I can continue the work [07:52] (Sticker, 512x384) https://irc.ubports.com/TWKnq0mn/file_971.webp [07:52] and abt the keyboard, I actually saw someone's screenshot showing a slider for adjusting the transparency [07:52] but it was not in a stable channel image [07:53] I also always wish that the system partition had more free space for powerusers to apt-install packages [07:53] or an easyway to resizing partitions, because all the tutorials on howto do the resizing seemed outdated and not appliable to the image I had on my MX4 [07:54] Libertine for example had an approach that if users want GTK apps they need to install them in a container, but I don't think this is convenient [07:54] not always [07:54] also, sometimes you want to apt-get install a gtk legacy app on the phojne not even to use it on the phone's screen, but over ssh with X forwarding [07:55] ie, thunderbird isn't really usable on the phone with high DPI, touch screen and OSK [07:55] but with ssh X forwarding you just launch your thunderbird on your desktop off your phone [07:55] and it is a great use case [07:56] Wow so many new interested devlopers =) [07:56] But ist starts being hard to follow all that ;) [07:56] UT doesn't have Xorg though [07:57] In case you have ideas that should last longer, please post to the forums [07:57] Hugo, I know, and it doesn't matter [07:57] @Flohack, especially for non power userts lol [07:57] not for the X forwarding part? [07:57] if you ssh into your UT with X forwarding then the xorg of your desktop will provide all the dependencies [07:57] while the app will still run off your phone [07:57] it works, I know, because I am using it [07:58] XMir included in the UT image has parital support for xorg [07:58] @KrisJacewicz What is the benefit of doing that rather than running thunderbird on the desktop? [07:59] that is why you still can run, say, gtk apps without native mir gtk support (which btw was also being worked on) [07:59] @KrisJacewicz, could you write a quick tutorial for non power users? [07:59] but whne you ssh into the phone with X forwarding it doesn't matter [07:59] @howie sidekick, Yes you can make trhe image writable, then use adb and shell [07:59] I wrote some posts about it [08:00] I propose checking 2 of them: [08:00] http://kriscode.blogspot.tw/2016/10/lazarus-development-for-ubuntu-phone.html [08:00] http://kriscode.blogspot.tw/2016/09/x-applications-on-ubuntu-phone.html [08:00] @Flohack, thank you for the reply, am going to try it [08:00] you will get a good idea and also will be able to replicate [08:01] howie, while you can make image writeble, sometimes the size of the / partition is the limit [08:01] @KrisJacewicz, thanks mate, will investigate [08:02] apart of the way of using the phone that Canonical was trying to promote, there are more generic ways of using it, that turns your phone into an incredible powerful combain [08:03] @MCMic, sorry I just noticed this [08:03] to answer... [08:03] it is a separate use scenario [08:03] you carry your important personalized apps (and user data within them, including custom configurations) in your phone [08:03] so basically in your pockjet [08:03] it goes where you go [08:03] then you move, say, between home and work [08:04] both of which places you have a desktop PC [08:04] with Linux [08:04] so, you also have the convenience of a big screen, and physical keyboard/mouse [08:04] so, you just ssh into your phone [08:04] Ok I get it [08:04] and you use your apps just like if they were on your desktop [08:04] just that they are not [08:04] It’s close to the reason behind convergence [08:04] they are running on your big screen but off your phone [08:05] close but from a different perspective [08:05] EVEN if these apps are not adaptable to the mobile form factor and input aspects (tocu screen etc) they still become useful [08:05]