 gps
 @samitormanen, I've checked with my Nexus 4 in devel, i don't have any probleme with my GPS between app and test_gps. You can try to remove the cache of the app and see: Otherwise can you reflash the phone ?
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 Re: apt repos, they are the official Ubuntu arm repos and work fully when you remount / as rw, but we need to make it install to /data somewhere and have the data partition contain everything outside the ROM... Just my opinion
 Like /data/folder should be a second location for files that would normally be installed relative to / so that the stuff survives and doesn't prevent updates
 Should be fairly easy... Simple mod to the vfs
 I'll look into implenting that in the coming days
 @Xorpad, The reason that wasn't done in the past, I think, was to keep people from breaking things by doing apt-get update
 and upgrade
 Well, another reason was that phones were too slow to do an apt-get upgrade, but that's entirely moot at this point
 Well, I'm gonna code it and you can either use it or not... If not I'll keep it for myself
 The reason is twofold, as the Ubuntu Phone team wasn't able to vet the packages coming into the base repositories... so someone else's bug could become a bug on many peoples' phones, very fast
 Indeed, but if it does mess up rebuilding the tree would be simple
 Now, that would become moot if there were transactional updating, as you could roll back if you detected a failure of any component of the system... snaps snaps
 I do wonder if there's a better way to do it now, with things like OsTree in the wild. Just update the packages on the phone, roll back if any failure is detected, report the failure to the developers.
 Like, if apt is restricted to install outside the ROM and in users storage space, deleting the directory tree and initializing it again could be one click on the recovery mode or even in settings menu
 @UniversalSuperBox What is the relationship between UBports and Purism Librem 5?  Was thinking about pledging $599 but after seeing all the work that has gone into UBports/UT I don't know how much of a chance they have. Thoughts?
 @Crash_Burn, There isn't one yet.
 We've initiated contact very recently, haven't heard back yet.
 @Xorpad, That would have to be completely automatic.
 (Photo, 223x33) https://irc.ubports.com/eCN5MdUf/file_964.jpg **existential crisis**
 Its a nice idea, but look how much work has gone into UBports... how can they possibly make it happen? Are they going to use Intel/AMD chips and move into micro laptops with touch screens?  What am i missing?
 Yes, we would have to modify dpkg to install to the alternate directory tree and anything else related to non-rom based stuff
 @Crash_Burn, Just install yunit ;)
 So that the Rom stays unmodded
 @Crash_Burn, It's an ARM processor with (they claim) upstream kernel support. So it's just as easy as installing any supported deb package.
 This discussion made the initial reason for snaps click, @Xorpad
 Of course that's why they did it. So when shit hits the fan, no one notices.
 @UniversalSuperBox, Well like I said I code it, your free to decline to use it
 Maybe you'd like to look at Libertine a little more before you do
 Thanks for the tip, I'll be sure to do that
 Libertine containerizes non-click apps so that they're still confined with AppArmor.
 So it means that UBports 16.04 = Librem 5 ?
 @Crash_Burn, We have no comment yet. The phone does not exist.
 I think they're running Debian right now, though
 On the development board
 @Xorpad, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Libertine
 @UniversalSuperBox, Roger... Bookmarked for reading in next few days
 Night night ppls
 Night
 So then Android is totally out of the picture? (Yay!) How will the phone makers supply necessary drivers... that has always been the crux of the problem no?
 @Crash_Burn, They're trying to select hardware that does not have any out-of-tree drivers. That is, every driver is inside the linux kernel source
 So no Android, no libhybris, no Halium
 Good luck with that... phone makers will resist as they have in the past.
 Google will make them
 https://puri.sm/posts/the-librem-5-development-roadmap-and-progress/ … Maybe this will clear it up a bit. All of the hardware is in-kernel. They're manufacturing the phone themselves.
 And maybe here's a good time to invite you to discuss this in our offtopic group, @ubports_ot. Simply because I don't want to clutter people's notifications with more talk about the Librem 5. It's getting fatiguing.
 @xorpad, Wow. A fighter and a developer. Noice
 Amature fighter who isn't especially good
 Lol
 Lel
[02:25] <tgBot> KrisJacewicz was added by: KrisJacewicz
 I see that Nexus5  is supported as COre device, but would the image run on Nexus5X as well?
 So far nope
 and welcome @KrisJacewicz
 hi Kevin, and thanks, will try to get Nexus5
 I hv the legacy MX4 though, and will continue with it as well
 Good choice for the N5 not expensive and working well with ubuntu touch
 I will want to continue some software development trends on UT now that I found it is continued
 I originally started creating apps and services for UT with Lazarus IDE< whch is even possible on the phone itself
 You were supporting app before ?
 some highlights:
 http://kriscode.blogspot.tw/2016/10/lazarus-development-for-ubuntu-phone.html
 YES but not the official ways
 nbo clicks/snaps etc
 pure native coding
 with Lazarus IDE which is amazing and can run natively on Linux ARM, so also on the phojne itself
 I also started an alternative software distribution platform
 that now I will want to continue
 that allows for installing non confined apps without sudo
 under user's home directory
 even click apps can be repackaged
 I did that with the official terminal app
 so that it can be installed without click, and unconfined
 Sounds interesting slighty overshooting my competencies ^^
 I can suggest you to create a subject on the forum to inform people and keep a better trace than here
 I just heard about UB ports in an email earleir today and I am super excited that there is still continuation on it
 https://forums.ubports.com/
 I thing Canonical was not true to their own claims
 they claimed the Ubuntu Phone would be primarily targetted at Linux fans and devs/hackers
 not regular endusers
 yet the default phone installation would lack the most basicc the critically essential temrinal app
 so they completely ignored the market that they said was their p[rimary focus before phone would eventually be mainstream ready
 Depends for who ...
 abt the forum, I will consider doing that, thanks
 I don't have facebook neither instagram even less snapchat ^^
 I've to admit missing a native nextcloud and protonmail app on Utouch...
 I mean, UT was perfectly capapble of running multitude of legacy apps, even not tailored at the form factor and input mode, but it all worked, in the hacky way that the fans and dev/hackers would be interested in
 Stats are good for the motivation : http://stats.ubports.com/
 and to install Ubuntu touch https://www.ubports.com/page/get-ubuntu-touch @KrisJacewicz
 thanks!
 I forgot that : https://github.com/ubports/ubports-touch you have everything now, enjoy the ride ^^
 so Kevin, are you the one who maintains the entire project?
 if so, I would like to kindly forward a request to you to include 3 very light packages in the default release images: maliit-inputcontext-gtk3 maliit-inputcontext-gtk2 xauth … The rationale is explained in my blog article that I earlier shared. But in short, UT supports GTK apps, just the onscreen keyboard does not. If you add maliit packages for gtk3 and gtk2 (which are very very light in size, tiny even) the OSK will work. Otherwise users wi
[03:56] <tgBot> manually remount / to rw, install these packages, and remount back to ro. The 3rd package "xauth" is so that you can generate .Xauthority file, so that you can ssh into your phone with X forwarding. That is a BIG deal, because although UT devices run Mir, but if you ssh into it from desktop that has X.org, then you can run X apps off your phone onto your laptop's monitor and it will just work. It is pure magic too. You can carry all your apps in your pocket, an
[03:56] <tgBot> arrive home/office you just login to your PC/laptop, ssh into your phone with -X switch, and you can launch X apps off your phone onto your desktop.
 I personally used plenty of software like that off my MX4 Ubuntu Edition phone: Libre Office, Thnderbird, Geany, Lazarus, Firebox,Chromium,Nautilus, end many more.
 with mallit packages for GTK and xauth, the phone becomes a swiss army knife
 a real deal
 @KrisJacewicz, No I'm not see with these guys @UniversalSuperBox @neothethird  @mariogrip
 thanks again!
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 Welcome Davide
 And wow. The last two nights with @Xorpad and  @KrisJacewicz we got two innovative and commutative developers in addition. Thank you for being here and wanting to contribute!
 I'm super happy to learn that there is this amazing initiative to be joined!
 @Xorpad I see your htop package and one me as a noob can not understand😑. If you don't mind, maybe you can upload them to https://openstore.ubports.com/ so even the mainly users like me are able to install and use it. Open store has also release and update management so updates are possible for you as developer and will land on the phones directly.
 By the way, the uMatriks devs made huge progress. Yesterday they published a pree release in https://matrix.to/#/#uMatriks:matrix.org which allows login with homeserver accounts!
 We have > 10k installations ATM following https://stats.ubports.com/
 So it is good that there is a lively discussion, but hard for me to follow it.
 @bastos777, Not for uMatriks unfortunately but ubports Ubuntu Touch 😎
 Good morning, why is so difficult to flash nexus 5 I cannot type at setting telephone screen is out of synk like and letter do not type properly
 (Photo, 1280x721) https://irc.ubports.com/0PcI3haj/file_966.jpg
[06:33] <tgBot> <howie sidekick> MOrning All.
 morning 😊
 Morning
[06:34] <tgBot> <howie sidekick> I'm new to the project and very much in the honeymoon period it seems.
[06:35] <tgBot> <howie sidekick> because i just made a decent paypal contribution.
 @howie sidekick, 😎
 Thanks!
 @prpleXist, That's a bug that sometimes appears, but not on all devices. My nexus 5 is spared, as it seems. A reboot should fix it, as I heah
 @howie sidekick, Awesome, thank you
[06:37] <tgBot> <howie sidekick> @neothethird, you guys are really doing great work
[06:38] <tgBot> <howie sidekick> it's looking smooth on the Oneplus One for me
[06:39] <tgBot> <howie sidekick> and I've converted another user to UT on their oneplus one
[06:39] <tgBot> <howie sidekick> as daily driver
[06:42] <tgBot> <howie sidekick> Hope I'm not monopolising the conversation suddenly! Is there somewhere I've missed where I can find tutorials on how to get more access to settings on Ubuntu touch? There's a couple of issues I need to resolve on the Oneplus.
 Tutorials and documentation is a pain point... If you wanna do something beyond what the system settings allow, you can use UT tweak tool from the openstore
[06:54] <tgBot> <howie sidekick> Ok, have actually tried that and am looking for deeper access to the system I think. I am having an issue at the moment with the calendar app not saving more than four entries in the agenda view, and an issue with a bad echo on calls using speakerphone. The echo issue is long recognised on this phone and may require editing of system files which I cannot do presently.
[06:58] <tgBot> <howie sidekick> correction: calendar app not saving more than 2 entries in the calendar view.
[07:00] <tgBot> <howie sidekick> should I try hacking with via adb and developer mode? there is no important data on the phone so I can always just reflash if it goes too wrong.
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[07:01] <lotuspsychje> anyone got nexus7 wifi to ota2 yet?
[07:02] <tgBot> <howie sidekick> The echo issue has been around for a couple of years on the Oneplus One in many android versions.
[07:02] <lotuspsychje> i have ota 1 r1 and doesnt want to update?
[07:21] <tgBot> <howie sidekick> @neothethird, I think I want to edit mixer_paths.xml to resolve a speakerphone echo issue on the oneplus, could I do that by enabling developer mode, connecting to ubuntu via adb and then using terminal? Apologies for messaging you directly if you're busy.
 @KrisJacewicz, This sound really great news for convergence! I think @mariogrip will be very interested in this idea.
 (Photo, 633x826) https://irc.ubports.com/HJ756cXr/file_968.jpg also, I really like using UT in windowed mode, and if so, I like to have my OSK partially transparent:
 not sure if your image includes the transparent OSK hack, I wroter about it: http://kriscode.blogspot.tw/2016/12/ubuntu-touch-oosk-qml-hack-for-transparency.html
 would be great if in the system settings the user could set the transparency level with a slider
 I know that back when UT was supported by Canonical some devs actuallyt made it into proposed image
 (Photo, 1200x897) https://irc.ubports.com/gtTwJFiE/file_970.jpg also, I would love to revive my suspended project for alternative sofftware distribution, that does not rely on click/snap, just pure installing into home folder, and without sudo
 with a dedicated store-like app
 some click packages can even be repackaged
 I did it with terminal app
 and so you can install terminal app unconfined which is much better for power users
 the installer supports GTK apps, and it will automatically create launcher in the app scope so that user will not need to care if it is Mir or GTK app
[07:49] <tgBot> <howie sidekick> @KrisJacewicz, very nice, thanks for posting this, wasn#t aware of it.
 well, AFAIK nobody else was exploring GTK apps running natively on the phone back in the days, only Libertine Project was trying to push the idea of conteiners
 but I was really going to push the limits, until Canonical abandoned the platform
 so now I am super excited that I can continue the work
 (Sticker, 512x384) https://irc.ubports.com/TWKnq0mn/file_971.webp
 and abt the keyboard, I actually saw someone's screenshot showing a slider for adjusting the transparency
 but it was not in a stable channel image
 I also always wish that the system partition had more free space for powerusers to apt-install packages
 or an easyway to resizing partitions, because all the tutorials on howto do the resizing seemed outdated and not appliable to the image I had on my MX4
 Libertine for example had an approach that if users want GTK apps they need to install them in a container, but I don't think this is convenient
 not always
 also, sometimes you want to apt-get install a gtk legacy app on the phojne not even to use it on the phone's screen, but over ssh with X forwarding
 ie, thunderbird isn't really usable on the phone with high DPI, touch screen and OSK
 but with ssh X forwarding you just launch your thunderbird on your desktop off your phone
 and it is a great use case
 Wow so many new interested devlopers =)
 But ist starts being hard to follow all that ;)
 UT doesn't have Xorg though
 In case you have ideas that should last longer, please post to the forums
 Hugo, I know, and it doesn't matter
[07:57] <tgBot> <howie sidekick> @Flohack, especially for non power userts lol
 not for the X forwarding part?
 if you ssh into your UT with X forwarding then the xorg of your desktop will provide all the dependencies
 while the app will still run off your phone
 it works, I know, because I am using it
 XMir included in the UT image has parital support for xorg
[07:58] <MCMic> @KrisJacewicz What is the benefit of doing that rather than running thunderbird on the desktop?
 that is why you still can run, say, gtk apps without native mir gtk support (which btw was also being worked on)
[07:59] <tgBot> <howie sidekick> @KrisJacewicz, could you write a quick tutorial for non power users?
 but whne you ssh into the phone with X forwarding it doesn't matter
 @howie sidekick, Yes you can make trhe image writable, then use adb and shell
 I wrote some posts about it
 I propose checking 2 of them:
 http://kriscode.blogspot.tw/2016/10/lazarus-development-for-ubuntu-phone.html
 http://kriscode.blogspot.tw/2016/09/x-applications-on-ubuntu-phone.html
[08:00] <tgBot> <howie sidekick> @Flohack, thank you for the reply, am going to try it
 you will get a good idea and also will be able to replicate
 howie, while you can make image writeble, sometimes the size of the / partition is the limit
[08:01] <tgBot> <howie sidekick> @KrisJacewicz, thanks mate, will investigate
 apart of the way of using the phone that Canonical was trying to promote, there are more generic ways of using it, that turns your phone into an incredible powerful combain
 @MCMic, sorry I just noticed this
 to answer...
 it is a separate use scenario
 you carry your important personalized apps (and user data within them, including custom configurations) in your phone
 so basically in your pockjet
 it goes where you go
 then you move, say, between home and work
 both of which places you have a desktop PC
 with Linux
 so, you also have the convenience of a big screen, and physical keyboard/mouse
 so, you just ssh into your phone
[08:04] <MCMic> Ok I get it
 and you use your apps just like if they were on your desktop
 just that they are not
[08:04] <MCMic> It’s close to the reason behind convergence
 they are running on your big screen but off your phone
 close but from a different perspective
 EVEN if these apps are not adaptable to the mobile form factor and input aspects (tocu screen etc) they still become useful
[08:05] <tgBot> <howie sidekick> @KrisJacewicz, am following you
 and the phone/tablet becomes a medium for moving them with you
 Guys, can I ask one thing: Use the full power of Telegram and write longer messages. This aint Twitter 😆
 @Flohack, will do!
 Here are over 800 people, and longer messages makes it easier to follow your thoughts
[08:06] <tgBot> <howie sidekick> @Flohack, will do in future
[08:07] <MCMic> @Flohack no this is IRC :-P
 @KrisJacewicz, This is your PC monitor directly or is it the phone display redirected via ssh to your ubuntu machine?
 Perfect. About convergence: I think there is an interesting potential of UT, since on the desktop we are miles ahead of Android & iOS, they have no experience with that. So we should leverage this and try to not loose the focus. Otherwise they will close the gap some day
 Sorry for my noob questions...
 @bastos777, no, these are screens from my UT phone, check the indicator area
 (Photo, 640x360) https://irc.ubports.com/0ga4lmqn/file_973.jpg when you switch to windowed mode from staged mode (which is default) you get that look
 also, the widnows are resizable and dragable
 I think that UT failed, because Canonical did not show people how much stuff could work woth these devices out of the box, plenty of things that you thought were not possible, actually were all there provided
 just often with some manual hacks, but all fairly easy ones
 @KrisJacewicz, Would be great if you can publish your ideas in the UBports forum https://forums.ubports.com/
 This tg group is so crowdy that all your important ideas and informations are getting lost very fast.
 And than there is the UBports wiki also, where howtos and tutorials fit best: https://wiki.ubports.com/wiki/Home
 Hi @KrisJacewicz! welcome back :D
 Sebastian, I will try to follow your advice and do that, but will wait until the weekend, for now I will continue posting on my blog
 @TronFourtyTwo, long time!
 Did I understand it right, that running UT with Halium would "enable" running android Apps?
 I just posted article about landscape mode on UT, a video will be added to it in few days: … http://kriscode.blogspot.tw/2016/11/ubuntu-phone-windowed-landscape-mode.html
 *windowed landscape mode (as opposed to the staged landscaped mode)
 in the article I mention few glitches, so perhaps now that can all get solved
 @KrisJacewicz, Wonderful! Thank you very much. For the time being, you could start forum threads with the link to your site and short headlines. Then nothing will get lost.
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 @HenryOne, No thats a complete misunderstanding sorry ;)
 Halium is a hardware abstraction layer improvment that will allow more phones to run UT
 Android apps => for this exists an idea to run them in a container, see here: https://anbox.io/
 But this is a rough proof of concept. But both can live without the other more or less
 But it also includes libhybris doesn't it?
 So what dies "Android container" mean here? … https://halium.org/img/architecture.png
 a lxc container running android binaries
 So these binaries have nothing in common with what is needed to run android apps?
 kinda
 they do contain a basic android framework
 it's only used for hardware compatibility though
 and would be extremely difficult to use it to actually run apps
 that's what anbox.io is for
 Oh ok, thank you. But anbox doesn't seem to work fluently in the near future to me 😔
 (Sticker, 512x494) https://irc.ubports.com/3Sc7gI4P/file_974.webp
 the only seal of approval I trust
 seriously though, it's in early development. give it time! :)
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/edf7ra9H/file_975.webp
 (Sticker, 412x512) https://irc.ubports.com/maMSi0M4/file_976.webp
 @mariogrip
 And does running UT with Halium makes it more smooth/other advantages, or is it all about compatibility ?
 @HenryOne, Yes thats the point, Android binaries are needed to interact with the hardware. And its not new to Halium, already now all these things are in an lxc container. Thats the unique design of Ubuntu Touch: To avoid issues with nonexisting drivers, just take Android kernels, drivers and blobs for getting all hardware enabled. Libhybris then translates between the lxc container and the usual Ubuntu system
 on the wiki apout app develompment: … https://wiki.ubports.com/wiki/Set-up-an-app-development-environment
 I linked a new wiki page about an alternative approach: … https://wiki.ubports.com/wiki/UT-development-with-Lazarus
[09:37] <tgBot> vishnu was added by: vishnu
 some time along the way I can update it more, but for now it contains external links with more detail and instructions
 (Photo, 602x361) https://irc.ubports.com/HQzoz4wy/file_978.jpg Lazarus IDE running on Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition
 (Photo, 602x361) https://irc.ubports.com/xWp0wkJq/file_980.jpg #2
[09:44] <tgBot> ya_not was added by: ya_not
 Lazarus IDE with all dependencies is not somall, but it is the only such full featured IDE that can run natively on the UT device itself, so you can (cuz I did it) attach BT keyboard/mouse ot your UT phone via OTG usb dongle, and the mouse pointer will show up, and you can create UT apps on the UT device!
 @ferry_toth, You can still run Ubuntu Store apps in UT from UBports. They just won't update and if they are not carried over into OpenStore you may lose them at some point
 MX5 Pro phone allowed for wirelessly streaming desktop to a big screen TV, or you can use ssh with X forwarding, to run it off the UT phone onto desktop and work conveniently
 Hi!  … Anybody install Ubuntu Tluch on  Samsung galaxy tab 3?
 @ferry_toth, The default doesn't really matter. What matters is what you can get in OpenStore - which is pretty much everything that is worth having
 @Xorpad, Same bug in M10
 welcome @Ya_Not and @vn
 @UniversalSuperBox could you please tell me again how to edit the wiki navigation bar?
[11:16] <tgBot> <howie sidekick> Hi guys, quick question: I have converted a user to UT on their oneplus one and am supporting them. They prefer a hard protective skin type case. I have just realised that type of case will interfere with edge swipe detection on UT. Can anyone recommend the best style of protective case compatible with UT? ....and for bonus points how to sell this as a feature to my user!!
 @howie sidekick, It's not the direct answer to your question, but with UT tweak tool you can adjust edge settings
[11:21] <tgBot> <howie sidekick> @TronFourtyTwo, thanks for the reply, anyone else have any success using this to solve edge detection issues with cases?
 yes i use case on MX4
 defaulr settings make it sometimes funky bit as suggested u can tweak the edge gesture settings (range/sensitivity) and it may play better. but each case os different, as each deaign has differend bezel with different degree of gesture limitation
[11:26] <tgBot> <howie sidekick> Thanks folks, have quickly tested UT tweak and am happy that this will suffice with a case.
 @bastos777, The _sidebar page
 purism is almost there
 @UniversalSuperBox, Thanks.
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 @rubencarneiro, Yeah and they ignored my email to them so far =)
 probably they've been told not to do it. Well, UBports {Ubuntu, Unity} you know the story...
 @ValkMeister, Well we shall see. But the press department should not ignore me too long ;)
 If a maintainer is looking for an app, we have found the VPN-editor app source : https://github.com/unity8-team/indicator-network/tree/master/src/vpn-editor
 They will leave the decision of running Ubuntu Touch on purism, a decision of yours. Its getting pretty clear. Let them make the port, by default Purism runs KDE or GNOME.
 well .. let them finish the hardware ... the timeline on the web page is a joke..
 @Crash_Burn, yeah this one is a mystery to me (as discussed in previous audiocasts).   I don't see why we can't just put the whole packge together and they can launch the hardware and we can do the software and... yeah.... kind of crazy.  we have 830 people here with blazing progress... how can they do that?  The payroll will be really high.... best model in my opinion, is the system76 model (except they also went and build some odd OS
[14:50] <tgBot> themselves...)  all of this is surprising from a business perspetctive when so much talent is right here.
 @neothethird, hey buddy. PM me on the side.  how do we fix this problem?  it seems with 838 people we can fix this problem and quickly and we should... right?  i just have no idea abotu documentation... has someone in the group done this a lot?
 @KrisJacewicz, dekko is getting pretty awesome.  can we use dekko on the desktop?  :)
[14:58] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @wayneoutthere, This is the right spirit 👍
 @bastos777, the forward feature works well if we know who to forward them too.  maybe we could create a fake member called 'ideas' and we can just forward ideas to it, haha
 @wayneoutthere, Or create channels for this
 channels..... ...  now i have to go figure that out and test. do you have one already made I could try so i could understand? honestly haven't used the channel feature. i know it's a 1 to many feature...
 phone display
 I've tried to install 16.04 devel yesterday but it wouldn't pass the setup screen
 Is 16.04 so unstable right now
 (hammerhead)
 multiwindow i love it really
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/mchtZCeD/file_982.jpg
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/jSvBU0LL/file_984.jpg
 Dekko2 feature i like 👍
 @tsimonq2 sur
 @Flohack, ok me... i feel an audiocast coming out of my bowels on the topic.
 @wayneoutthere, hehe rumble in the bowels
 @wayneoutthere, actually I dont know if dekko os available in any other flavor but in theory if on your desktop you have same version of QT libraries it could work with X forwarding via ssh. The problem may lay with UT specifix API calls, if dekko uses such calls then there might be some glitches, not sure. Definitely could be experimented on.
 @YougoChats, Many thanks. Sir was spot on. I'm using a different mouse and it and the keyboard and working fine. Thanks again! 👍
 @wayneoutthere, Yes there is a snap (not quite up to date. Having build issues) or you can easily build it from source if your on 16.04+.
 @YougoChats, Yeah i like that one. 😊
 It get's a bit wild if you use gmail as you get all the copies that gmail likes to create. You can end up with 3 of the same message if it's in Inbox, Important, All Mail. Proper bizarre!
[17:08] <xorpad> Hi guys
[17:08]  * xorpad slept for like ~20 hours
[17:09] <tgBot> <M D> Hello xorpad. Great. You deserve it
[17:11] <xorpad> @M D: thanks:D I'm well rested now, good to got another 3 days of coding... but i gotta finish being groggy first
 @ubports_bot, back to work!
[17:16] <tgBot> <M D> Haha good to hear that. That's the spirit!
[17:19] <tgBot> <M D> I finally managed to buy the second hand nexus 5 and it's working great tbh. Even the battery looks good. So I plan to join the club tonight finally
[17:19] <tgBot> <M D> A bit nervous about finding issues when flashing but I hope everything will be good
[17:22] <xorpad> @M D Don't be nervous. flashing is safe because we don't flash the bootloader, and the bootloader is also the image flashing tool... so you can always reflash
[17:23] <xorpad> Unless we start using our own bootloader which doesn't make sense at this point for a number of reasons, flashing is safe unless you do it soooo much that your NAND storage on your device fails, but that's the case with any NAND storage device
[17:24] <tgBot> <M D> I understand. Thank you
[17:24] <xorpad> Anyways, don't be scared to flash, you will always be able to reflash or revert to android
[17:24] <tgBot> <M D> Yeah I will stick for good on UBports.
[17:25] <tgBot> <M D> I saw that my phone have the boot loader locked
[17:25] <xorpad> well, you can unlock it easily unless it's carrier locked
[17:25] <tgBot> <M D> I will search for more information
[17:25] <tgBot> <M D> I see
[17:26] <xorpad> you have to enable usb debugging from the hidden developer options in androids settings menu
[17:26] <tgBot> <M D> Xda here we go
[17:27] <tgBot> <M D> Yeah I already enable it
[17:27] <xorpad> Also, you don't need root to flash, using root to flash from userspace is stupid in my opinion
[17:28] <xorpad> @M D, hit us up if you have any issues
 @Flohack, Well they have support by gnome team and kde team
[17:28] <tgBot> <M D> Thank you. I will start working now with the unlocking process
[17:29] <tgBot> Daniator was added by: Daniator
[17:30] <xorpad> @M D unless it's carrier locked so you can't switch cell providers, it will be really fast and easy. If it's carrier locked you will need to find someone with the tools to unlock it, like a sketchy cell phone accessory booth at a mall, they often offer unlocking services
 @Flohack, Dont think ubuntu touch is the thing they want
[17:31] <xorpad> We have a mall in the town next to mine, where every business is illigitmate and they will unloack/repair anything, they have ways to unlock factory reset protection for a fee
[17:31] <xorpad> they can break carrier locks in a short time
[17:31] <xorpad> and you can get cheap repairs with substandard parts
[17:31] <xorpad> no tax cash only
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/imvYuUg5/file_986.png
[17:32] <xorpad> the whole mall gets raided occasionally, because half they stuff they sell/do is illegal
 @wayneoutthere, ahh, the world of linux.  Chaos... what chaos.  What have you created Linus??  LOVE IT!
[17:36] <tgBot> <M D> Haha yeah I am aware about that chance. But I hope everything is good
[17:36] <tgBot> <M D> I am reading now how to do it.
 @Daniator, welcome Daniel!
 @xorpad, what this means ?? they can open android closed source?
[17:44] <tgBot> <howie sidekick> Hi People, there is a recognised issue with mic audio that's affecting both our OPOs running UT here. The speakerphone function echoes to the extent that it's a dealbreaker for my user. Editing build.prop is a suggested solution under android. Could somebody outline for me the basic steps to edit build.prop under UT please, if that's even possible. … Is there a better way to tweak microphone/speaker/audio settings under Ubuntu touch?
[17:44] <tgBot> <M D> Lol
[17:44] <xorpad> andreasimonetti: It means you can't unlock the bootloader or flash non-carrier signed ROMs, without an unlock code that you usually have to pay the carrier for the code, or pay someone who has tools to unlock it without the code
[17:44] <tgBot> <M D> Downloading sdk tools...
[17:45] <xorpad> tgBot: You don't need the whole SDK, what OS are you using?
[17:45] <xorpad> because most linux distro's have adb and fastboot in their repos, and there's a package called "minimal adb and fastboot" for windows users
 i see
[17:46] <tgBot> <M D> Ok I use arch
[17:46] <xorpad> which contains adb, fastboot, and a bunch of DLLs required to use them. You also need the Google USB driver for Windows, but if you're on Windows 10, it will automatically download these drivers when you plug your device into the computer
[17:46] <tgBot> <M D> But I am doing this in a MacBook
[17:46] <xorpad> eww mac
[17:47] <xorpad> I have worked with the Apple security researchers and after that experience I have hated everything they make
[17:47] <tgBot> <M D> I am doing there because the USB ports are more reliable
[17:47] <tgBot> <M D> Ok so I can do this in arch
[17:47] <tgBot> <M D> I will have a look on those repos
[17:48] <xorpad> I'm sure you can get the fastboot/adb tools from either pacman or AUR
[17:48] <xorpad> probably pacman, but if not, AUR surely
[17:49] <tgBot> <M D> Working on it. Thank you so much sir :)
[17:51] <xorpad> @M D no thanks needed, but your welcome
[17:52] <tgBot> <M D> In AUR there is
[17:52] <tgBot> <M D> (Photo, 1280x956) https://irc.ubports.com/QXKDX3u6/file_988.jpg
[17:53] <xorpad> i'd try the first one on the list
[17:54] <tgBot> <M D> Yeah it should be that for sure
[17:54] <xorpad> rather than the ones below which all seem to be forks or third party alternatives
 python-adb oO this is awesome
 no need anymore for the stupid sdk :D
 XD
[17:55] <xorpad> @delijati but chance of messing up your device if it's not 100% compatible
[17:56] <xorpad> @delijata I'd wait unitil people start using in mass because I accepted it as trustable
 Is the info on the main page about Fairphone 2 and Android 6.0 valid or the answer from the forums? … https://forums.ubports.com/post/4446 … What about the new screen?
[17:56] <xorpad> *because=before
[17:56] <xorpad> sorry, my abilities to use language are bad
[17:58] <xorpad> when they tested my IQ the report had a note from the person who tested me saying all the questions I didn't score high on inolved language skills and if you discount those tests and score based on the non-language questions, I would be 10 or more points higher
[17:58] <xorpad> which is an example of why IQ tests aren't very good
[17:59] <xorpad> sorry that's off topic
[17:59] <xorpad> i just wanted to explain why my language sucks
[18:00] <tgBot> <howie sidekick> @xorpad, seems like it's all family here so it's fine!
[18:00] <tgBot> <M D> My English sucks
 @xorpad, What was your IQ then if you don't mind
[18:02] <xorpad> @j 133
 @J, Then you also have to ask which test. Otherwise its moot. You cannot compare one IQ test with another
[18:03] <xorpad> It was the mensa test
[18:04] <xorpad> but when I started hanging out with the mensa crowd I felt like I was an idiot compared to everyone else
 @xorpad, Wow that's great.
[18:06] <xorpad> @j it kinda sucks sometimes, I can't stand when my mom tries to do stupid things, and she's family, so imagine the rest of the average population
 @xorpad, Basically everyone is an idiot compared to that one guy who has the most brain power on earth at a point of time.
 @xorpad, Trust me I sort of understand what you might be feeling. I don't even have that kind of brain you have
[18:08] <xorpad> @j another downside is the with higher functioning people mental illness is much more prominant and the side of my family that is all higher functioning, inlcuding myself, all have many mental health issues
 @xorpad, Yes. I know and it is sad.
[18:10] <xorpad> I've traced it back 4 generations before the evidence trail is lost. comes from my fathers mothers father
[18:11] <xorpad> he disappeared leaving his wife and 7 children to live in poverty without his support, when my grandmother was too young to have learned about his parents or grandparents, so that's why the trail goes cold
[18:12] <xorpad> when my grandmother was dieing, one of the things she said was that she wished her mother could see her now, having risen from severe poverty to millionaire status
[18:13] <xorpad> anyways, we're still off topic... I should joint ubports-ot on telegram
 @xorpad, Hey man, wanna chat in private.? I will be happy to talk to you. I don't think most people will appreciate all these messages about your personal life. Or maybe if you don't want to chat private come to @ubports_ot .
 @xorpad, Yup that's what I was typing
 😁
 Most people here are mostly abt ubports
[18:15] <xorpad> can someone send me an invite, I think i'm @Will O and don't know how to join a channel without an invite
 What's your username?
 @Xorpad ?
 I will add you
[18:16] <xorpad> thanks @j
[18:16] <xorpad> yes @xorpad / Will O
[18:17] <tgBot> smetanalife was added by: smetanalife
[18:20] <tgBot> <M D> @xorpad, Unblocked. Now I think it's time to run the UBports installer and that's it. I hope!
[18:21] <xorpad> @M D, I use magic-device-tool for flashing... for some unkown reason I have issues with the other 2 methods
[18:26] <tgBot> <M D> Ok. Yeah I read something about it. But I don't know what to try first
[18:27] <xorpad> I'd try the recommended method first, and if that fails, try magic-device-tool (the recommended way being the snap method)
[18:28] <tgBot> <M D> Thanks
[18:28] <tgBot> <M D> Let's see
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/FXV0N0X3/file_990.png
 (Sticker, 512x384) https://irc.ubports.com/sKMJ2p04/file_971.webp
 @Flohack, Packet.net?
 @bhushanshah, yes yes yes
 We are invited to load this beauty
 Awesome
 with our daily builds
 And guess what it costs no money at all. We found a new sponsor I guess
 If I find that my vision can be fulfilled in this project, I may sponsor too in some way. Perhaps a budget for devices or something. But I need to get a better feel for everyone's intentions plans and desire to accept my ideas and plans
[18:44] <tgBot> <howie sidekick> @Flohack, Very interesting.
 @howie sidekick, i used to have this issue as well.  i remember it on my N4.  it was like the speakerphone was the regular phone mode and vice versa, yes?  The good news is that this was fixed once and likely can be fixed again!  I remember how much this one sucked.
 I think this went under due to the OT chat :) … Is the info on the main page about Fairphone 2 and Android 6.0 valid or the answer from the forums? … https://forums.ubports.com/post/4446 … What about the new screen?
 there is probably a proper way to log the bug.... i'm a bad bug logger but there should be a link on the device page which takes you to the bug page....
 Hu smth disappeared here?
 (Photo, 1280x778) https://irc.ubports.com/y6L0rZYY/file_992.jpg Here is a bit nicer picture with a real os :)
 lel
 there *Should* be a direct link here... but there isn't it seems.  Also forgive the slow page loads.We know about the issue and are working on improving it. … https://ubports.com/page/ubuntu-oneplus-one
 (Photo, 1280x819) https://irc.ubports.com/nsgJ5ziq/file_994.jpg should be this red button on each device which takes you to github but... apparently not on each page yet
[18:55] <tgBot> <howie sidekick> @wayneoutthere, Hmm, not sure. Not quite vice versa like you say. It's an echo when using speakerphone mainly, also with low microphone volume. I'm just now trying to tweak audio settings by editing build.prop.............This issue is widely recognised on this phone running Android since it was released. I wonder does it have something to do with slight differences between chinese and international versions of the phone, because not all phones
[18:55] <tgBot> have the problem.
 @howie sidekick, the good news is it seems very similar to my problem so maybe @mariogrip will quickly recognize the situation?
 So we were walking down the road when suddenly.... … BOOM! … Audiocast Episode 11 happened! … https://ubports.com/blog/ubports-blog-1/post/ubuntu-touch-audiocast-011-driving-miss-daily-82
 :/
[18:58] <tgBot> <howie sidekick> @wayneoutthere, I made a post in the support forum. I will be investigating further.......
 👍
 openssl speed rsa  -multi 64
 @wayneoutthere 👏 👍
[19:20] <tgBot> <howie sidekick> appears to be two ubports podcast feeds thru gpodder, one with three episodes and one with all episodes, just fyi
[19:35] <tgBot> Ben_Thijssen was added by: Ben_Thijssen
[20:07] <tgBot> <M D> @xorpad, Finally installed. This was the most straightforward and easiest procedure ever
[20:08] <tgBot> <M D> Everything working great in stable release. Is there is any kind if list of essentials apps to have it? I am looking in the forum now
 @M D, Well... Dekko, Telegram, Facebook basic (if you use FB), image viewer, imaginario, timer, UT Tweak tool, uadblock, Unav, document viewer, file manager, uwriter, loqui... And surely a lot more :)
[20:19] <tgBot> <M D> You rocks. Thank you. Yeah I am a bit aware on the essentials. But I think there is not any kind of list for newcomers
 @Alexander, Look at uappexplorer which has a section on the most popular apps
[20:20] <tgBot> <M D> Good idea Lionel
[20:20] <tgBot> <M D> I am exploring it
 Check uMatriks and Dekko2. You can install Dekko2 alongside 'ordinary' Dekko. If you do developing try OnTheRoad
[20:25] <tgBot> <M D> Yeah I've heard a lot from dekko. It was in my wish list. Thank you
[20:27] <tgBot> <M D> I can live with open store and almost leave the Ubuntu store alone right?
 @M D, I do....
 I think the 'advised plan' is to try to avoid the ubuntu store because it will disappear end of year.
 @wayneoutthere, That will make users to not have most of scopes like tiday scope news etc
[20:42] <tgBot> <M D> Yes I understand. But I wanted to know if there is any essential app only available in UB store that I should give It a try. For example the gmail one
 Facebook app and scope twitter also
 @rubencarneiro, But the problem is, the store will close sooner or later. And we cannot take over all scopes ourselves. People have been encouraged to get into the role of a maintainer, and try to find the sources for the app or scope they want to move. As soon as they can build the click we can move the stuff. Just moving clicks without having source is difficult
 @Flohack, Maybe we can convince canonical to provide sth like an archive. Or we could host it by ourselves only wit unmaintained apps...
 @bastos777, Yeah copying the clicks is not the problem I think. We can grab the whole store. But if we cannot maintain things then its not worth that much. Especially as we want to work on the scopes concept one day
 ∆ #idea
[20:51] <ubports_bot> Project daily-bacon build #291: ABORTED in 51 sec: http://ci.ubports.com/job/daily-bacon/291/
 @Flohack, yeah let's not kick a dead horse or a dog or even a guinea pig.   … What we need to do is assume *no one* will help us. … Assume that the whole world wants to shut us down because we are damaging their spy agencies.  … Now in this context, what is the smart move? … The open store is the smart move. … Us helping, maintaining, etc.   … Are we Ubuntu Touch, or .... Ubuntu Slouch???   … Can I get an amen??
 Amen!
 booya~!
 can i get another amen??
 oh well.
 haha
 Are we ... Ubuntu Touch?? … Or Ubuntu Not-Much????
 where's my krew???
 Amen!
 booooooya!!
 where's my coffee...
[20:56] <thrrgilag> ☕
 @wayneoutthere, sudo make coffee
 ^^
 Community! The founder is here ^^
 haha
[20:57] <thrrgilag> So making coffee requires root privs?
 ^^
 maybe
 @thrrgilag, depends on the coffee maker, expresso do requre root
[20:58] <thrrgilag> ah suppose it does, lol
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/t5wZnQ9b/file_996.jpg
 (Photo, 500x333) https://irc.ubports.com/rSzjvs6n/file_998.jpg you decide!
 rofl
 @wayneoutthere, uuu-bun-too :)
 @mariogrip, i wish i had my mic on but my 8 year old daughter said why are you laughing and I said 'because Marius (She knows you from the QA shows) says 'you-BUN-tu'.  She then fell over laughing running around the house saying 'You-BUN-too!!!!""
 @wayneoutthere, hahaha :P I got fans
 you do!  she knows Dalton's name too though
 she told my wife who you are when she asked "Who is Marius?"
 Ubports, mom!
 (Photo, 2209x2274) https://irc.ubports.com/hiscrE2i/file_999.jpg
 @wayneoutthere, THAT.IS.CUTE!
 yeah she made a TV with 'news' on it
 hehe
 Excellent ! @wayneoutthere
 Nice!
 @Narugawa, what is?
 @wayneoutthere, +1
 haha. yeah. I'll tell her you liked it.  I was surprised because I didn't even tell her to do this or give her the idea.  She just hears about it.
 She also said "Mommy is bad because she was using google"
 Is that an accomplishment? O_o
[23:43] <tgBot> Russ B was added by: Russ B
 welcome Russ
 @Russ B, Russ is in the house!
 Hi Russ how are you?