[02:17] <louvetvicente> does anyone else get this error when attempting to click on a harddrive from the 'computer' section of caja?
[02:18] <louvetvicente> https://imgur.com/a/1952d
[02:21] <sarnold> that looks terrifying
[02:22] <louvetvicente> the odd thing is I can access the drive via the mount folder in the file system
[02:23] <louvetvicente> and the drive isn't damaged in the least, just that reference to the drive is broken, but I don't know where to update it to fix it
[05:23] <Trevinho> duflu: hey, can you still reproduce that issue with the border on maximized windows?
[05:23] <Trevinho> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-themes/+bug/1720431
[05:23] <Trevinho> changing the font, I can't..
[05:35] <jibel> Trevinho, I can reproduce
[05:35] <jibel> I have it currently
[05:37] <Trevinho> jibel: ok, and you're full upgraded...
[05:37] <Trevinho> try to change your gtk-widgets.css with
[05:39] <Trevinho> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/25677769/
[05:39] <Trevinho>  /usr/share/themes/Ambiance/gtk-3.20/gtk-widgets.css
[05:39] <Trevinho> it changes things a bit, but...
[05:41] <Trevinho> let me know if it still has troubles
[05:41] <Trevinho> jibel: ^
[05:53] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:00] <duflu> Trevinho, hello. Good travels? That bug was on my laptop... let me check
[06:00] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[06:01] <duflu> Morning os
[06:01] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN
[06:03] <duflu> Trevinho, yes reproducible but I haven't updated in a while. Let me see if Didier's titlebar height fix resolved it
[06:06] <duflu> ... the internets are slower down here ...
[06:13] <koza> o/
[06:16] <duflu> Hi koza
[06:18] <duflu> Trevinho, yeah seems to be fixed now (by Didier's change I think)
[06:19] <duflu> Trevinho, in other news (bug 1717023), have you considered inverting the panel's gradient instead?
[06:45] <jibel> Trevinho, I didn't have latest version of the theme. Let me do that first
[06:46] <Trevinho> duflu: yes, so in fact it's not the same issue
[06:46] <duflu> Umm, correct. But I can't tell which bugs you're comparing now :)
[06:47] <Trevinho> duflu: I'm not saying that there's too much vertical space used (as the first bug asserts, and that I agree with), but that visually is wrong
[06:47] <Trevinho> having two panels
[06:47] <Trevinho> duflu: the one I reported and the one you marked mine duplicate of
[06:47] <duflu> Trevinho, oh I don't care about the space used
[06:48] <Trevinho> duflu: I think this is way more pleasent
[06:48] <Trevinho> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/ZVXOcNCr/
[06:48] <Trevinho> than...
[06:49] <Trevinho> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/d8myqGjL/
[06:53] <duflu> Trevinho, I agree with that. But do you have a screenshot of inverting the panel gradient?
[06:53] <Trevinho> duflu: nope, but that would be bad imho
[06:53] <duflu> Trevinho, also how do thinner titlebars look inverted?
[06:54] <Trevinho> duflu: there's one pixel less for the border in this mode
[06:57] <duflu> Trevinho, your solution sounds fine... I think with just about every part of Ambiance we all disagree on design aspects
[06:57] <duflu> But you seem to have fixed the bug
[06:59] <Trevinho> duflu: we did the same in unity, so at this point that we have a top-bar like this in the shell too, I think we should use the same rules
[06:59] <Trevinho> so we keep the consistency on what we did so far
[06:59] <duflu> Trevinho, I vote for the old black panel :)
[07:00] <Trevinho> eh, kinda agree with that, but once you got used a bit, it's not so bad this one too :)
[07:01] <duflu> It's all fine. We need to be careful to avoid confusing "I don't like the appearance of..." with actual objective bugs
[07:09] <duflu> Hmm, gnome-sushi isn't installed by default? I thought it was going to be
[07:17] <didrocks> good morning
[07:17] <duflu> Morning didrocks
[07:18] <didrocks> hey duflu!
[07:18] <didrocks> duflu: just a precision from yesterday's. If you want people to look at bugs, subscribing is enough. If you assign it to something, you make the promess to the reporter that it's going to be fixed
[07:19] <duflu> didrocks, good point. I forget that option exists. But do they get a message immediately on subscription or not till a later change happens?
[07:21] <didrocks> duflu: you get a "you have been subscribed to…"
[07:21] <duflu> Cool
[07:21] <didrocks> which, through my personal filter thing put that in the correct folder :)
[07:23] <duflu> Ah, new Mesa. Better test things
[07:51] <pitti> bonjour mes amis !
[07:52] <pitti> bien rentré de New York ?
[07:52] <pitti> j'ai vu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1laxZ2F-Zg ce matin :)
[07:56] <didrocks> bonjour pitti ! Bien rentré, mais un peu malade (comme toute la famille) ;)
[07:56]  * didrocks watches the video
[07:57] <pitti> didrocks: argh, after all these years one would think that we'd all be immune against ubuflu :)
[07:57] <didrocks> TBH, it's due to Martin! :)
[07:57] <pitti> ah, haha!
[07:58] <pitti> comment était New York? Je n'ai jamais été là
[08:00] <didrocks> pitti: j'y étais déjà allé avec Julie il y a 2 ans quand on était chez Rick (pas très loin de Washington DC). C'est assez bruyant, les poubelles sont dans la rue donc ça sent pas mal, et pas mal de bouchons
[08:00] <didrocks> pitti: mais en tant que touriste, c'est à voir :)
[08:00] <didrocks> (pas à y vivre, je pense)
[08:00] <Laney> moin
[08:00] <didrocks> hey hey Laney
[08:03] <pitti> hey Laney, how are you?
[08:04] <Trevinho> didrocks: hey...
[08:04] <Trevinho> didrocks: as per the email you sent, I guess you just have to try to republish from https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2967
[08:04] <Trevinho> then the new packages will be put in the queue instead
[08:04] <pitti> didrocks: aah, je suppose tu n'avait assez de temps pour la tourisme
[08:04] <Trevinho> can you try that?
[08:04] <pitti> "avais"
[08:05] <pitti> didrocks: mes parents aiment cette ville, mais ils n'avaient pas une conference :)
[08:06] <didrocks> pitti: on n'a pas mal visité en fait, le soir et samedi :)
[08:06] <didrocks> pitti: j'aime bien la ville, je n'y vivrais pas par contre
[08:06] <didrocks> Trevinho: trying, it will be YOUR fault (all yours!!!! ;))
[08:06] <pitti> didrocks: oui, moi non plus :)
[08:06] <Trevinho> didrocks: I can take this responsability :)
[08:07] <Trevinho> I think Laney already did that in the past sometimes
[08:07] <didrocks> Trevinho: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNY6ZstdUdY
[08:08] <Trevinho> :-D
[08:08] <didrocks> Trevinho: done!
[08:08] <Trevinho> yeah I'm following the log
[08:08] <Trevinho> thanks
[08:08] <didrocks> yw!
[08:10] <Laney> hey pitti hey didrocks hey Trevinho
[08:10] <Trevinho> hey :)
[08:10] <Laney> pitti: good, thanks!
[08:10] <Laney> it looks like a nice autumn day
[08:10] <Laney> going out for a meal tonight
[08:10] <Laney> can't complain
[08:10] <Laney> what did I do in the past?
[08:12] <willcooke> oops. Morning all
[08:12] <didrocks> oops to you too willcooke :)
[08:13] <Laney> pitti: and you?
[08:13] <Laney> oof, wait, got an appointment, back in abit
[08:14] <pitti> Laney: I'm fine too, thanks! Spent a nice 4-day weekend with family and friends, and we celebrated our 10th wedding anniversary
[08:14] <didrocks> pitti: waow, congrats :-)
[08:15] <pitti> merci :)
[08:16] <didrocks> have you travelled back to Dresden for some days thus? or it was in some other city?
[08:17] <pitti> didrocks: yes, in Dresden
[08:21] <willcooke> jamesh, afternoon!  If I wanted to test the polkit stuff - is that possible?  Can I install 2.28 on to Artful easily?
[08:32] <GregKNicholson[m> Hi all! Firefox 57 is coming out just a few weeks after Ubuntu 17.10, and it's a major user-visible update which ends compatibility with legacy add-ons. Has there been any discussion about potentially shipping the beta of Firefox 57 instead of Fx 56?
[08:33] <Trevinho> didrocks: there are other theme changes in https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2978,  please focus on https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu-themes/suggested-action-states-fix/+merge/331842 where I fixed some aspects of the suggested-action button you did... I would have appreciated if you requested for review first of landing it though :)
[08:34]  * Trevinho can sleep now :)
[08:37] <jamesh> willcooke: I think you can get the new snapd with "snap refresh --channel=candidate core", but it is probably also necessary to install the polkit policy files too
[08:38] <jamesh> let me give it a try
[08:38] <willcooke> jamesh, thanks!
[08:39] <willcooke> GregKNicholson[m, no discussion that I can recall.  As a rule we wont ship a beta version in a release.  I will just get updated when we have the new packages ready.  There is a PPA that people can use though
[08:39] <willcooke> s/I will/It will
[08:43] <didrocks> Trevinho: hum, we agreed on the gradient during the sprint, no?
[08:44] <didrocks> Trevinho: maybe get someone else to review it, it sounds as well you are changing some colors for success and warning
[08:44] <didrocks> Trevinho: which is an UIFe
[08:44] <didrocks> Trevinho: speaking of reviews, I think you saw I fixed some of regression from your last landing :p
[08:45] <Trevinho> didrocks: check the colors diff is really not-visible change... not really anything that needs an UIfe
[08:46] <Trevinho> didrocks: i only agree on the color at the sprint, but i didn't check the final result :), but the problem was mostly with some states not being covered
[08:49] <Trevinho> didrocks: I saw the change, but again I would have preferred to see it before, also because it's a quite fragile code as you saw... But it seems is acting at some level that was probably already not valid since before, but the change I did made it visible in some scenarios (i.e. when size was causing the .bg to be painted)
[08:50] <didrocks> Trevinho: sure, I thus did it quite throughly, what you didn't do I guess in the previous landing as the issue was quite obvious with, for instance, a maximized terminal
[08:51] <Trevinho> only with some text size I think, since I had not visible since I set the big text on
[08:51] <didrocks> "some text size == default text site" :)
[08:51] <didrocks> size*
[08:52] <didrocks> ok, so you are adding one state :backdrop (without hovering)
[08:52] <Trevinho> really not here... I showed also to duflu at the sprint
[08:52] <didrocks> the rest is different gradeitn?
[08:52] <didrocks> because you like them more?
[08:52] <jamesh> willcooke: just sent some instructions in email.  In addition to the "snap refresh" command, you'll need to copy the default policy file out of the core snap.
[08:52] <Trevinho> didrocks: I made them matching more what we have
[08:52] <willcooke> jamesh, merci!
[08:52] <Trevinho> didrocks: so a two step gradient that are darker the more you interact with it
[08:53] <didrocks> Trevinho: hum, weird, I took the values from other parts of the css
[08:53] <Trevinho> so a little darker on hover, a even more on press
[08:53] <didrocks> so I guess we have a real consistency issue in the theme
[08:53] <willcooke> jamesh, that manual copying step.. I expect that wont be necessary when it's released proper?
[08:53] <Trevinho> didrocks: the fact is that headerbar buttons by default have no bg
[08:53] <didrocks> yep
[08:53] <Trevinho> didrocks: so they use the headerbar bg
[08:53] <jamesh> willcooke: right.  When 2.28 is provided as a .deb package, it will include the policy file
[08:53] <Trevinho> and that's just a 2 steps
[08:53] <didrocks> that's what I got when working on it :)
[08:54] <didrocks> ok, and the action button were 3
[08:54] <didrocks> that's why I choose 3
[08:54] <didrocks> good enough, i'm not as picky on you as you are, so let me review those
[08:54] <didrocks> the notebook one, it's like terminal notebook or gedit one?
[08:56] <didrocks> Trevinho: hum, inverted gradient
[08:57] <didrocks> Trevinho: we tried to invert the top panel one with willcooke and weren't convinced
[08:57] <didrocks> is that way of invertion is safe enough?
[08:57] <didrocks> sounds risky with headerbar buttons
[08:57] <Trevinho> didrocks: it's what we had so far in unity7
[08:58] <Trevinho> it worked ok till now with headerbar windows
[08:58] <Trevinho> there's no news in this
[08:58] <duflu> I think headerbar buttons only exist when the bar is taller, so the inverted gradient looks kind of flat. It's OK
[08:58] <didrocks> Trevinho: and with traditional decoration?
[08:58] <Trevinho> let me showit
[08:58] <didrocks> which is smaller than headerbar
[08:59] <Trevinho> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/OCY3V6mN/
[08:59] <willcooke> jamesh, got it installed.  But hitting problems straight away.  GNOME Software problems I think.  Will report a bug
[08:59] <Trevinho> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/nRdMOfJq/
[09:00] <Trevinho> THis is not the nicest because of the menus, but still better compared to the double panel
[09:00] <Trevinho> unfortunately it's a lot of vertical space, but we can't do much
[09:01] <duflu> Trevinho, try flatter? (less dark at the top)
[09:02] <duflu> Or even better, if you were working all night then sleep
[09:02] <didrocks> yeah, I find it before a big bar
[09:02] <Trevinho> duflu: you mean in both cases?
[09:02] <duflu> Trevinho, I meant in the small case, but may would work in both?
[09:02] <Trevinho> duflu: but it's flatter in backdrop mode, I wouldn't use that in any case
[09:03] <didrocks> I really find https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/OCY3V6mN/ jarring
[09:05] <duflu> Not ideal but I think it is an improvement
[09:05]  * duflu still votes for a black panel
[09:06] <didrocks> flat design mixing with gradient? hum :/
[09:06] <didrocks> let's see if Trevinho can come with something better
[09:06] <didrocks> but I really dislike the inverted gradient
[09:06] <duflu> I think the real problem is the panel
[09:09] <duflu> This whole problem exists because of the gradient in the panel
[09:10] <didrocks> at the fit and finish sprint hackfest, we were in favor of the gradient. You can check as well what popey and willcooke thinks about it now (I think it's not reasonable to change this now so close to release IMHO)
[09:10] <Trevinho> Yeah... I agree, so one of the two. However the inverted gradient to me fixes the problem if we want to keep the top panel.
[09:10]  * duflu would also accept always-transparent if not black
[09:10]  * Trevinho would just open a vote in between us... I had to do it during the sprint I knew :P
[09:11] <duflu> I think the inverted gradient is better... but also think it will generate bug reports still
[09:11] <Trevinho> It's still something we did in the past and nobody coplained so far
[09:11] <duflu> Maybe leave the bug open and do something more dramatic in 18.04
[09:11] <Trevinho> it's even true that it was just for headerbars
[09:11] <Trevinho> but, stil...
[09:11] <Trevinho> as they become basically toolbars in unity, loosing their window buttons
[09:11] <duflu> Yeah to be fair the inverted gradient looks good in the wider headerbar
[09:13] <didrocks> wider headerbar is fine to me as well
[09:13] <didrocks> maybe Trevinho, you can change the gradient for the thin bar?
[09:14] <Trevinho> I can, you mean you'd like it to be  less strong?
[09:15] <duflu> Good news everybody... this is at least the only visual quality theme bug significance, apparently :)  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-themes/+bugs?field.tag=visual-quality
[09:15] <didrocks> Trevinho: if possible, yes
[09:15] <duflu> of significance
[09:16] <Trevinho> it should be, need to check since we end up in the world of causalities (need to cover ssd, csd, wayland and x are different here)
[09:16] <Trevinho> but it's possible
[09:16] <didrocks> duflu:     if ( Main.sessionMode.currentMode != 'user' ) {
[09:16] <didrocks>         return;
[09:16] <Trevinho> just not usre what the result
[09:16] <didrocks>     }
[09:16] <didrocks> this is why some extensions don't work
[09:16] <didrocks> we are in a mode inheriting user mode
[09:16] <didrocks> but not the "user" mode itself
[09:17] <duflu> didrocks, interesting. But I don't really know what that means and also don't use the affected extensions. Was only triaging the bug
[09:17] <didrocks> Trevinho: give it a try maybe and we can revisit?
[09:17] <didrocks> duflu: yeah, it needs to be fixed in upstream extensions
[09:17] <didrocks> but that's also why it's "failing silently"
[09:19] <oSoMoN> didrocks, Laney : your comments appreciated on https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/gdm/ubuntu-xorg-fallback-session/+merge/331824
[09:21] <Laney> oSoMoN: thanks for working on the fix, please could you file it in bz and get a review from halfline?
[09:23] <didrocks> oSoMoN: at least, confirming that I don't see any leaks or double unwanted free :)
[09:23] <Trevinho> didrocks:  https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/PNZ7CuJK/
[09:23] <Trevinho> duflu: ?
[09:24] <Laney> we're still working on theme changes for artful?
[09:25] <duflu> Trevinho, I would approve. But I also want 18.04 to be better :)
[09:25] <Trevinho> that's another thing
[09:25] <Trevinho> Laney: you know... little things are big thing
[09:25] <Trevinho> s*
[09:27] <didrocks> Trevinho: looks better to me
[09:28] <oSoMoN> Laney, doing
[09:28] <duflu> "theme changes" isn't quite right. Saying that just implies casual design changes whereas this is a bug that's been reported by multiple people.
[09:29] <duflu> It's graduated a bit
[09:29] <Trevinho> didrocks: ok tomorrow I'll check if all the rules are respected
[09:30] <Trevinho> time for sleep again
[09:31] <didrocks> Trevinho: have a good night!
[09:33] <didrocks> duflu: FYI, only 2 of the 4 extensions you set on the bug are broken on the ubuntu session only
[09:33] <didrocks> the other is due to Shell 3.26 API changes, and are broken everyone
[09:33] <duflu> didrocks, not my bug. I didn't list them :)
[09:34] <didrocks> duflu: you assigned me though :p
[09:34] <didrocks> duflu: more info on bug #1721117 if you are interested
[09:42] <jibel> Laney, can you remove i386 images from cdimage? for the build 20171005 i386 images are from the 3rd which is confusing
[09:43] <Laney> yes I know, I asked in #ubuntu-release yesterday and I need to find out whether to manually delete them or if they will rotate off, I don't want to break things
[09:44] <jibel> okay, thanks
[09:44] <Laney> like they're referenced in the md5sums file and others
[09:44] <Laney> so it's not a matter of rm *i386*
[09:47] <chrisccoulson> oSoMoN, can we delete the vivid/wily/precise/yakkey builds from the chromium PPA please? :)
[09:47] <oSoMoN> chrisccoulson, sure, I’ll do that in a sec
[09:47] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[09:48] <chrisccoulson> it makes my life slightly easier, because our tool wants to copy all of the old binaries too so I have to keep specifying the list of releases
[09:55] <oSoMoN> Laney, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=788552
[09:57] <oSoMoN> chrisccoulson, deletion requested
[10:12] <chrisccoulson> oSoMoN, thanks
[10:41] <tseliot> Laney: hey, the new nvidia has landed in artful proposed. Can you drop my workaround for gdm, please?
[10:43] <Laney> ok
[10:44] <Laney> tseliot: do you get 384 in all circumstances?
[10:44] <tseliot> Laney: what do you mean?
[10:44] <Laney> I mean
[10:44] <Laney> that if you're on an older version then your workaround is still necessary
[10:45] <Laney> so can that happen?
[10:47] <tseliot> Laney: the 375 is going to be migrated to the new driver. Transitional packages will take care of that
[10:47] <tseliot> so, no, you can't use the old series
[10:48] <Laney> alright, that's what I wanted to know
[10:48] <Laney> thanks
[10:57] <oSoMoN> Laney, the latest changes in the gdm3 source package are not in lp:~ubuntu-desktop/gdm/ubuntu, is that an oversight?
[10:59] <Laney> oSoMoN: I think mdeslaur did that upload - maybe he didn't use the VCS, happens sometimes
[11:04] <oSoMoN> willcooke, FYI https://webengineshackfest.org/slides/the-chromium-wayland-project-by-antonio-gomes-and-maksim-sisov.pdf (slides from the presentation, video will be made available later)
[11:07] <willcooke> thanks oSoMoN, reading now
[11:13] <mdeslaur> oSoMoN, Laney: whoops, sorry about that
[11:27] <Laney> mdeslaur: np, do you have it or should I import the dsc?
[11:31] <mdeslaur> Laney: I don't have it anymore, could you import it please?
[11:31] <Laney> fo sho
[11:32] <mdeslaur> thx
[11:33] <Laney> done
[11:34] <oSoMoN> thanks!
[11:34]  * Laney is reviewing that patch ;-)
[11:34] <Lowas> Are there any light-themes for gnome-shell, gnome-shell-extensions, and ubuntu-session?
[11:34] <Lowas> GTK 3.24-GTK 3.26
[11:35] <Lowas> in ubuntu themes for gnome shell user-themes is not present
[11:41] <oSoMoN> chrisccoulson, would you mind also copying chromium-browser 61.0.3163.100-0ubuntu1.1378 to artful-proposed?
[11:42] <chrisccoulson> oSoMoN, I can't copy it, but I uploaded the source this morning
[11:42] <chrisccoulson> it's sat in the queue waiting for approval
[11:42] <oSoMoN> right, I didn't think of checking the queue
[11:42] <oSoMoN> thanks!
[11:43] <chrisccoulson> 11:26 according to #ubuntu-release :)
[11:43] <chrisccoulson> well, 11:26 in my timezone
[11:44] <chrisccoulson> oSoMoN, you should probably get permissions to upload stuff from the desktop package set (chromium is in that)
[11:44] <chrisccoulson> I can't remember what the process for that is. Laney?
[11:45] <Laney> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Developers
[11:45] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[11:46] <Laney> np
[11:46] <Laney> basically have enough sponsored uploads, write on the list and get +3
[11:46] <Laney> if it's for just one package then PPU might be more appropriate, that's via the DMB
[11:46] <chrisccoulson> I've sponsored quite a few chromium uploads already
[11:46] <chrisccoulson> I don't know who does the LO ones, but there's probably enough there
[11:47] <chrisccoulson> heh, I'm still in ~ubuntu-desktop :)
[11:49] <oSoMoN> yeah, I was waiting to get a few more sponsored uploads before applying, Laney should I apply for PPU for chromium and libreoffice, or ubuntu-desktop membership?
[11:49] <Lowas> #ubuntu-themes or other channer where IS?
[11:54] <oSoMoN> Laney, thanks for the review, I’ll work on an update after lunch
[11:55] <Lowas> #ubuntu-design
[12:10] <Laney> oSoMoN: not sure, ubuntu-desktop is a bit more general than what you tend to focus on but maybe it's OK
[12:10] <Laney> I think we'd normally expect wider contributions
[12:10] <Laney> but dunno, should ask others
[12:10] <Laney> and np on the review!
[12:11] <oSoMoN> yeah, that's what I thought so too, in any case I guess I can start with PPU applications
[12:22] <jbicha> hi, I think we can postpone LP: #1702894 to bb, right?
[12:32] <GunnarHj> Laney: I have an idea (rather horrible, actually) re bug #1662031. Since seb128 seems to not be here today, do you possibly have time to consider the latest comment in the bug report?
[13:07] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Hi Jeremy, any chance you can sponsor bug #1707929?
[13:26] <oSoMoN> didrocks, Laney : https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=788552#c2 is a very good point, is there a good reason why we don't rename the fallback sessions to remove the "-xorg" suffixes?
[13:27] <didrocks> oSoMoN: if people have a wayland capable device and want to use the X session (for instance, to use gparted, synaptic, or because they have bad experiences on wayland), that will prevent them to use it
[13:27] <didrocks> like, no choice in the selection picker dialog
[13:29] <oSoMoN> didrocks, do you mean that the basename of the session file is used as unique key, instead of the full path, and thus two "ubuntu.desktop" in two different locations would not show up as two separate sessions?
[13:30] <didrocks> oSoMoN: exactly
[13:30] <oSoMoN> I can actually test that easily in a VM
[13:31] <didrocks> please retest
[13:31] <oSoMoN> that would be unfortunate
[13:31] <oSoMoN> testing now
[13:31] <didrocks> but I'm pretty sure I did try this
[13:31] <didrocks> and that was the result
[13:31] <didrocks> (hence I went to the -xorg path)
[13:31] <didrocks> well, first -wayland
[13:31] <didrocks> then we put wayland by default
[13:31] <didrocks> hence inverting
[13:33] <oSoMoN> indeed
[13:34] <oSoMoN> I can confirm that the wayland sessions shadow the xorg ones
[13:35] <didrocks> I still think it's important to give the xorg option to the user
[13:35] <didrocks> (at least until LTS included)
[13:38] <oSoMoN> didrocks, I answered halfline's suggestion on the bug report
[14:17] <mhall119> kenvandine: hey man, any update on the GNOME migration docs?
[14:17] <didrocks> jbicha: not sure if you noticed, but you may be interested: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=877761
[14:18] <didrocks> jbicha: it's a fix against the debian patch to support gettext in .desktop files
[14:27] <kenvandine> mhall119, i worked on them a bit this week, still working on them
[14:27] <kenvandine> davidcalle, ^^  have you made any progress?
[14:34] <andyrock> good morning!
[14:37] <ricotz> oSoMoN, hi, fyi https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=112590
[14:44] <mhall119> kenvandine: where is the work being done? Somewhere we can share with the engagement team?
[14:44] <kenvandine> https://wiki.gnome.org/UbuntuMigrationToGNOME
[16:48] <oSoMoN> good evening everyone
[16:49] <Laney> night osTAB TABT ABTABTAB
[16:49] <Laney> quiet day
[16:49] <qengho> HI LANEY
[16:50] <Laney> much better, I knew I could rely on qengho
[16:50] <Laney> Alanis is also keeping me company
[16:51] <qengho> Did flipping Z->A expose many distro ordering assumptions in scripts, around the shop?
[16:52] <Laney> I fixed a few
[16:53] <Laney> e.g. https://git.launchpad.net/autopkgtest-cloud/commit/?id=49e6e401daff792c65880a3454a83096232aeb3c
[16:53] <Laney> sorted(list, key=distro_info.UbuntuDistroInfo().all.index) is a fun way of doing it that I found
[16:54] <qengho> "key=ALL_UBUNTU_RELEASES.index" nice
[16:58] <jbicha> Laney: I think I'll just wait for 18.04 for LP: #1714866 but I'll try to get some kind of testing for you for LP: #1717216 this weekend
[17:02] <Laney> alright!
[17:02] <Laney> thanks
[17:02]  * Laney is off, laters pals
[17:02]  * qengho waves.
[17:09] <willcooke> hey qengho!  How are you?
[17:28] <qengho> willcooke: Great. You? De-jetlagged?
[17:28] <willcooke> Just in time to head back to NY for another week on Saturday :/
[17:58] <willcooke> right, calling it a night
[17:58] <willcooke> l8r d00dz