[05:36] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:32] <ducasse> good morning everyone
[06:34] <lordievader> o/
[06:34] <Bashing-om> ducasse: :) \o
[06:35] <ducasse> morning/evening Bashing-om - how has your day been? :)
[06:37] <Bashing-om> ducasse: Good in most respects / winding down now .. Your day to be a good one ?
[06:37] <lotuspsychje> morning guys
[06:38] <lotuspsychje> what does it mean when a bug watch removed?
[06:38] <Bashing-om> \o lotuspsychje
[06:39] <ducasse> good morning, lotus! unsure what you mean there?
[06:39] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: ^ Ants are no longer attacking the kitchen ?
[06:39] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse & Bashing-om
[06:39] <lotuspsychje> lemme show you the bug holdon
[06:41] <lotuspsychje> hmm doesnt show un my bug, only in email
[06:41] <lotuspsychje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1718653
[06:42] <lotuspsychje> this is what email says: ** Bug watch removed: GNOME Bug Tracker #745032
[06:42] <lotuspsychje>    https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=745032
[06:43] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: aiui that bug requires a major rewrite
[06:43] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: in wich way?
[06:44] <lotuspsychje> morning BobbyJr
[06:44] <BobbyJr> good morning :)
[06:45] <ducasse> the mouse tracking is part of the 'normal' gnome rendering loop, so if that is busy mouse tracking starts to lag. it needs to be taken out into it's own loop.
[06:45] <lotuspsychje> right
[06:46] <lotuspsychje> but my original bug was about the windows buttons and i presume all other things are a bit related to wayland, as for xorg i havent had those issues
[06:47] <lotuspsychje> so if the bug watch means he sees the other bug as a duplicate, what about the windows buttons?
[06:48] <ducasse> hang on, let me read it
[06:48] <lotuspsychje> kk
[06:49]  * lotuspsychje flows a fresh coffee in a bowl for ducasse 
[06:50] <lotuspsychje> this is a real weird bug, as some programs Do have windows buttons properly
[06:51] <ducasse> afaict here you are the one that says the two are related?
[06:54] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: well im not real sure of course, but all 3 symptons have come on 1 update from the switch of xorg to wayland
[06:55] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: and 3 symptons are graphics related thats why i presume it
[06:55] <ducasse> yes, but that one update can cause more than one problem in different parts of the code
[06:57] <lotuspsychje> thats true
[06:58] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: well tnx for the think along, ill test more things on that box
[06:58] <ducasse> i think until the devs say "these two bugs have the same root cause" we should assume they are different
[06:58] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: ah kk
[06:58] <lotuspsychje> that sounds logical
[06:59] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: you tested wayland on artful?
[06:59] <ducasse> just my opinion, though :)
[06:59] <ducasse> yes, i've been testing wayland for over a year now
[06:59] <lotuspsychje> no issues lately?
[07:00] <ducasse> runs fine for me, but it's on arch and not running gnome :)
[07:00] <lotuspsychje> ah didnt know arch played the wayland game also?
[07:01] <lotuspsychje> oerheks_ said fedora was pretty smooth
[07:02] <ducasse> !info weston vivid
[07:02] <ducasse> wayland has been in ubuntu also for a while, not just very prominent
[07:02] <lotuspsychje> i see
[07:04] <ducasse> dunno how runnable it was back then, i think the first time i tested it was wily or xenial (and then i built a lot of stuff and pulled some from ppas)
[07:05] <lotuspsychje> lets hope they get final straight
[07:05] <lotuspsychje> to be continued...
[07:05] <lotuspsychje> older kernel test didnt help
[07:06] <ducasse> thinking of doing a fresh install on my desktop, to file a report
[07:06] <lotuspsychje> hmm i could test the guest account and install daily on other laptop
[07:06] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: that would be nice ducasse
[07:07] <ducasse> damn, history swipe :)
[07:07] <lotuspsychje> tons of users will transfer into gnome at 18.04 right, so its important we get it straight
[07:07] <lotuspsychje> lol
[07:07] <ducasse> are you trying to fix the window buttons? what did you try to fix with older kernel?
[07:08] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: whats your opinion on wayland, installing on older machines? will it be leightweight linux feeling like xorg?
[07:08] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: booting into older kernel was sugestion from a dev in #ubuntu-devel 4.12 specific
[07:09] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: buttonbs fix, dunno where to start as its only on specific program: vlc,hexchat,firefox etc
[07:11] <ducasse> that is odd, can you mention a few programs that _don't_ have the problem?
[07:12] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: sure, nautilus,calculator,most of them have
[07:12] <lotuspsychje> the few others have black bar with nothing
[07:12] <ducasse> those are gnome apps that use csd
[07:12] <lotuspsychje> but i can still click it to close
[07:13] <ducasse> firefox etc don't, they use normal decorations
[07:13] <lotuspsychje> changing themes didnt work either
[07:15] <ducasse> do you have a screenshot?
[07:17] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: bug 1718653 @ #4
[07:18] <lotuspsychje> !info gnome-shell artful
[07:18] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/10/gnome-3-26-1-bug-fixes
[07:18] <lotuspsychje> ill update in a bit :p
[07:19] <ducasse> did you see tj's comment?
[07:20] <Bashing-om> lots of updates for xenial .
[07:21] <lotuspsychje> omg read those comments on that gnome url lol, its all about sluggishness
[07:21] <lotuspsychje> grrr
[07:21] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: yeah readed that
[07:24] <lotuspsychje> if devs dont fix that on final, were gonna have users flooding on main lol
[07:25] <Bashing-om> eyes are crossing and can not hold focus . time to switch 0ff :)
[07:28] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: cool news here: https://puri.sm/posts/the-librem-5-development-roadmap-and-progress/
[07:30] <ducasse> interesting, hope they'll make it
[07:31] <lotuspsychje> a long way to go
[07:31] <lotuspsychje> and if they make it..they wont drop project after a year Oo
[07:33] <ducasse> personally i think they're mad, but...
[07:34] <lotuspsychje> lol
[07:34] <lotuspsychje> its a hard (mobile) world
[07:34] <lotuspsychje> but we already discussed this :p
[07:35] <ducasse> still, i wish them the best :)
[07:36] <lotuspsychje> hehe
[07:36] <lotuspsychje> tnx for the think along, got a few new ideas on artful to test ducasse
[07:37] <ducasse> try tj's suggestion, that sounded logical
[07:37] <ducasse> to me at least
[07:38] <lotuspsychje> kk
[07:39] <ducasse> and if that doesn't work...
[07:39] <ducasse> "nuke it from orbit. it's the only way to be sure."
[07:39] <ducasse> :)
[07:39] <lotuspsychje> updating would have same effect as fresh install no?
[07:41] <ducasse> updating what?
[07:41] <lotuspsychje> system
[07:45] <ducasse> you mean if updating what you have will be the same as a fresh install of the latest daily?
[07:47] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[07:47] <ducasse> in theory at least, yes
[07:48] <lotuspsychje> ill do a few tests first and await final
[07:48] <ducasse> not long to wait now :)
[07:49] <lordievader> When is the release day?
[07:49] <ducasse> we'll soon be swamped with wayland questions in main, won't that be fun? :)
[07:49] <ducasse> 19th, i think
[07:49] <lordievader> The new one will have wayland? O.o
[07:49] <lotuspsychje> yes by default already lordievader
[07:49] <lordievader> Bold move.
[07:50] <ducasse> silly in my eyes
[07:50] <lordievader> Perhaps I'm just outdated. I guess I need to try it again.
[07:50] <ducasse> it's just not ready for the masses yet
[07:51] <lordievader> Thats what I thought.
[07:52] <lotuspsychje> breakfast
[07:52] <ducasse> mmm... :)
[07:52] <ducasse> enjoy!
[08:26] <lotuspsychje> tnx ducasse was tasty :p
[08:29] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: preparing to make egg & bacon etc for lunch here :)
[08:30] <lotuspsychje> mmmm
[08:39] <lotuspsychje> working guys, have a nice day all
[11:25] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[14:04] <leftyfb> ugh
[14:04] <leftyfb> can anyone fix my silence in #ubuntu?
[14:28] <BluesKaj> leftyfb, silence?
[14:28] <leftyfb> BluesKaj: it was fixed. I was dumb and typed too many things and got silenced :)
[14:29] <BluesKaj> leftyfb, do you mean your audio
[14:29] <BluesKaj> ?
[14:29] <leftyfb> nope, ability to type in the channel
[14:29] <leftyfb> it's ok, though, all resolved
[14:30] <BluesKaj> ok
[14:31] <nicomachus> leftyfb: #ubuntu-ops
[14:31] <leftyfb> nicomachus: thanks. I'll note that for future reference
[14:39] <oerheks> #letsdohomeworkday
[14:40] <leftyfb> gotta make them come up with the answers on their own
[14:49] <oerheks> at least he tries
[14:50] <oerheks> touch disaster; mv -R /Solar/ /dev/zero; print class,name
[14:50] <leftyfb> heh
[15:05] <BluesKaj> tried manjaro for a couple weeks after archlinux network manager would not install in arch-chroot after several tries, manajaro was ok with "interesting package management" with AUR/yaourt and pacman.
[15:07] <BluesKaj> but it's not as easy to configure as the debian based OSs
[15:15] <BluesKaj> so now the search begins again for another interesting OS for the spare hdd
[15:25] <nicomachus> LFS
[15:26] <daftykins> ;D
[15:26] <daftykins> i've always heard it's an educational experience
[15:26] <oerheks> hmmm https://opensource.apple.com/
[15:27] <leftyfb> lol
[15:27] <leftyfb> start with a mostly-functional kernel, then you're on your own :)
[15:27] <daftykins> its' kernel has been available for yonks
[15:30] <BluesKaj> heh, apple open source seems like an oxymoron to me :-)
[15:31] <nicomachus> yea...
[15:32] <leftyfb> still waiting for that facetime to show up on other platforms that they promised when it was first announced
[15:32] <nicomachus> I had someone try to convince me that facetime not showing up on other devices/platforms is an argument for net neutrality
[15:32] <nicomachus> i just... what?
[15:32] <leftyfb> lol
[15:33] <nicomachus> I get net neutrality and the arguments for it and all that. THAT is not even close to being near having anything to do with net neutrality.
[15:33] <leftyfb> well, didn't AT&T not charge for data for it originally or something?
[15:33] <nicomachus> idfk
[15:33] <leftyfb> that would be a case for it ... but it's definitely not a thing now
[15:33] <nicomachus> why would I use a proprietary vid chat app that's sending callbacks to Apple?
[15:35] <leftyfb> I didn't ask that
[15:35] <leftyfb> just saying, if AT&T or any provider were favoring a particular protocol over another, that's a case for net neutrality
[15:36] <nicomachus> meh. that's up to them and their customers.
[15:37] <leftyfb> "Net Neutrality means an internet that enables and protects free speech. It means that ISPs should provide us with open networks — and shouldn’t block or discriminate against any applications or content that ride over those networks."
[15:38] <leftyfb> that's one of the lighter points of NN. It's traffic discrimination.
[15:39] <leftyfb> It's not a thing currently, but just an example
[15:39] <leftyfb> maybe something your friend heard at one point and was getting confused
[22:06] <Bashing-om> restarting back soonest .