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meetingologyMeeting started Thu Oct  5 15:01:26 2017 UTC.  The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.15:01
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slangasek[TOPIC] Lightning round15:01
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slangasek$ echo $(shuf -e slangasek bdmurray xnox tdaitx doko sil2100 rbalint infinity cyphermox mwhudson rcj philroche Odd_Bloke tribaal fginther)15:01
slangasekfginther bdmurray rcj xnox tribaal rbalint tdaitx philroche doko infinity cyphermox Odd_Bloke slangasek mwhudson sil210015:01
rbalinto/15:01
sil2100o/15:01
sil2100Wow, dead-last15:02
fginthergoodness, one moment15:02
fginther* Continued library development to facilitate automated publication15:03
fginther* provided an automation script to IS to improve deployment of cloud-image jenkaas slaves15:03
fginther* Enabled launchpad <-> trello automation15:04
fginther(done)15:04
bdmurrayResearch into LP: #1515513 re: dkms leftovers in /boot15:04
bdmurrayUploaded X and Z SRUs for LP: #151551315:04
bdmurrayTested LP: #1720331 re whoopsie restarting constantly15:04
bdmurrayInvestigation into gdebi python3.6 issue LP: #170894715:04
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1515513 in initramfs-tools (Ubuntu) "/boot/initrd.img-*.old-dkms files left behind" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/151551315:04
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1720331 in whoopsie (Ubuntu) "Whoopsie continually relaunching" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172033115:04
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1708947 in gdebi (Ubuntu) "gdebi-kde crashed with ModuleNotFoundError in /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/PyKDE4/__init__.py: No module named 'DLFCN'" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/170894715:04
bdmurrayHIGHLIGHT(?): Wrote blog post re free-ing space in /boot - http://www.murraytwins.com/blog/?p=15615:04
bdmurrayreported LP: #1721364 re apt autoremove and Never-MarkAuto-Sections15:04
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1721364 in apt (Ubuntu) "Never-MarkAuto-Sections not working" [High,Opinion] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172136415:04
bdmurraytested LP: #1715490 again, looked for similar bugs15:04
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1715490 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "pretty version of plymouth won't accept passphrase" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/171549015:05
TribaalSCHWEET15:05
bdmurray✔ done15:05
bdmurraySCHWEET?15:05
TribaalSwiss-German for "Sweet"15:05
TribaalJIT meeting :)15:06
slangasekskip rcj for the moment15:06
rcj* sprinted15:06
slangasekheh15:06
rcj* got sick after sprint15:06
Odd_Bloke* failed to read lists of people15:06
rcj* automated cloud-image build work15:06
rcjdone15:06
xnoxartful ntp vs systemd: systemd is in -proposed, ntp is the unapproved queue - please review15:07
xnoxzesty: systemd failed verification, fixup and more fixes are in the unapproved queue - please review15:07
xnoxxenial: systemd passed verification, there are adt regressions. Filed bugs for linux-* and open-iscsi, these appear to be broken tests. nplan seems to fail for a testcase in NetworkManager, and nplan/autostart test case appears to have regressed under lxc on xenial. However, creating autopkgtest lxc container does not work for me on artful15:07
bdmurrayxnox:15:07
xnoxopenssl-ibmca libica et.al. landed thus we have full accelerated z14 encryption landed15:07
xnoxmdadm/systemd shutdown - still in progress15:07
xnoxfixed s390-dasd for final beta (failing to format DASD drives)15:07
xnoxzfcpdump-kernel - failing to upgrade for GA, to be escalated to IBM15:07
xnoxcloud-init leases merge in progress (started, and handed over to cloud-init team)15:07
xnox...15:07
slangasekTribaal:15:07
Tribaal* Some of the memory issues investigated previously were due to transparent huge pages being set to "enabled". That led to memory fragmentation.15:07
Tribaal* Vaguard duties for the build system this week.15:07
Tribaal* Helping partners kick the tires on the final 17.10 beta to make sure everything is ok for the final release.15:07
Tribaal* OoO tomorrow and beginning of next week15:07
Tribaaldone.15:07
rbalint* GCE new upstream LP: #171892215:07
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1718922 in gce-compute-image-packages (Ubuntu Zesty) "Update google compute-image-packages to 20170921 " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/171892215:07
rbalint* UBuntu Rally15:07
rbalint* image minimization15:07
rbalint* updating runc to 1.0.0~rc4 and creating docker-runc with the version needed by docker.io in Debian15:07
rbalint* unattended-upgrades 0.98 for Debian15:07
rbalint(done)15:07
tdaitx* Trying to figure out OpenJDK 8 build failure in i386 (error: "unsupported size for integer register")15:08
tdaitx* +1 maint15:08
tdaitx* Checked and (re)setup jenkaas slaves for jck after the lgw01 scalingstack redeploy (zeroed slaves)15:08
tdaitx(done)15:08
philroche- Cloud image build system vanguard15:08
philroche- Ubuntu rally (via hangouts)15:08
philroche- Cloud image build system development15:08
philroche- Cloud partner calls15:09
philroche(done)15:09
philrochedoko:15:09
bdmurrayno infinity either15:10
bdmurraycyphermox:15:11
cyphermoxyay15:11
cyphermoxshim:15:11
cyphermox- preparing shim for signing15:11
cyphermox- Microsoft and shim-review submissions15:11
cyphermoxartful:15:11
cyphermox- unbroke keyboard selection/translations in ubiquity due to console-setup15:11
cyphermox- reword partman-efi non_efi_system template again15:11
cyphermox- testing subiquity image15:11
cyphermoxSRUs:15:11
cyphermox- [xenial] preparing ubiquity SRU for WPA2 Enterprise support (LP: #1107935)15:11
cyphermox- [xenial] investigating search domains issue in klibc.15:11
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1107935 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Xenial) "Support for WPA Enterprise wireless networks" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/110793515:11
cyphermox- [zesty] isc-dhcp DNS search domains handling15:11
cyphermoxother:15:11
cyphermox- catching up on cloud image minimization work15:11
cyphermox- netplan 0.29 backport to 16.04 is waiting in the unapproved queue15:11
cyphermox(done)15:11
Odd_Bloke* Ubuntu Rally last week15:11
Odd_Bloke* Finalising new GCE publication flow in preparation for bb opening15:11
Odd_Bloke* Preparing for product sprint next week15:11
Odd_Bloke(done)15:12
Odd_Blokeslangasek:15:12
slangasek * at the Ubuntu Rally last week in New York, lots of great discussions and development work15:12
slangasek  * first in-person meetings for a while with quorum of the archive, SRU, and release teams15:12
slangasek  * worked with the foundations team to fix papercuts around netplan, systemd-network migration15:12
slangasek  * worked with the kernel team to design solution for extra initramfs generation on package removal15:12
slangasek * HIGHLIGHT (if sil2100 doesn't do it) Artful Final Beta released last week15:13
slangasek * working on livecd-rootfs changes for artful and xenial:15:13
slangasek  * landing support for preinstallation of snaps in images15:13
slangasek  * adding support for minimizing cloud images15:13
slangasek * next week, at the Product Roadmap Sprint, again in NYC15:13
slangasek(done)15:13
slangaseksil2100:15:13
sil2100- Sprinting, then swap day, then partially away due to sickness (not really productive yet)15:13
sil2100- Setting up e-mail for release-bits15:13
sil2100- SRU reviews, cleanup and releases15:13
sil2100- ubuntu-image work on coverage, refactoring the builder classes15:13
sil2100- Reading up on preparations for final release15:13
sil2100- Last week: Final Beta :O15:13
sil2100Ah, indeed, that was a good highlight!15:13
sil2100(done)15:13
slangasekany questions on status?15:14
bdmurrayNope15:14
slangasek[TOPIC] Bugs15:15
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slangasekprobably late in the cycle to be committing to anything non-critical for the 17.10 release :)15:15
slangasek[LINK] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-aa-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs15:15
slangasekthere are a couple of 'high' bugs here15:15
bdmurrayI mentioned bug 1721364 but would like to discuss it15:15
ubottubug 1721364 in apt (Ubuntu) "Never-MarkAuto-Sections not working" [High,Opinion] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172136415:15
slangasekbdmurray: fwiw I have it in my inbox to review the commit jak pointed to15:16
slangasekbdmurray: but I guess we should discuss what the path forward is if that doesn't get reverted?15:16
bdmurrayslangasek: Yeah, autoremove could have surprising results.15:17
slangasekfrustrating15:17
slangasekbdmurray: so your position is that it's too high-risk?15:17
bdmurrayWell, I'm guessing people remove metapackages like ubuntu-desktop but could be wrong.15:18
slangasekI don't know; they might because they wanted to remove one of the packages it pulled in15:18
bdmurrayI mean if they've used autoremove in recent history then they would have hit an issue.15:19
bdmurrays/hit an issue/ran into this/15:19
slangasekbdmurray: yeah.  I think we should revisit with upstream the decision to change how markauto is handled, but that won't change the fact that systems already installed will have their package database in a state that makes autoremove dangerous15:20
slangasekbdmurray: which I guess leaves only the remove-newly-autoremovable path, which rbalint has mentioned?15:21
bdmurrayslangasek: Yeah, I think so15:22
slangasekok15:22
slangasekannoying, that's going to take more work to implement15:22
slangasekbut +1 for this on the path forward15:23
bdmurrayWell the newly-autoremovable only works if you are install the kernel update with u-u15:23
slangasekcouldn't we make it work with update-manager?15:23
slangasekby implementing the same logic as in u-u15:24
bdmurrayOh, I see15:24
slangasekthis isn't something we need to magically solve for users running apt from the commandline15:24
slangasekthey will run apt autoremove or not15:24
slangasekbdmurray: agreed?15:25
bdmurrayslangasek: Yes15:25
slangasekok15:25
slangasekanything else on bugs?15:25
slangasekwe have two 'high' in incoming15:25
bdmurraybug 1720331 - I'm not sure if its whoopsie or the control panel15:25
ubottubug 1720331 in whoopsie (Ubuntu) "Whoopsie continually relaunching" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172033115:25
rbalintslangasek, bdmurray: the remove-newly-autoremovable path is already released in u-u which is why i'm hesitant to revert it, but special handling for kernel packages seem to be a safer bet15:26
bdmurrayrbalint: We weren't talking about reverting it but using the same code in update-manager15:27
bdmurraycyphermox: Is not being able to use 'videoinfo' in grub relevant with bug 1715490?15:29
ubottubug 1715490 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "pretty version of plymouth won't accept passphrase" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/171549015:29
slangasekbdmurray: AIUI videoinfo is specific to VESA, and if you're using the qemu vga driver you don't even have VESA15:29
cyphermoxbdmurray: I don't think so15:29
slangasekso you don't have videoinfo because it's literally not configurable15:30
rbalintbdmurray: yes, i mentioned that because https://launchpad.net/linux-purge is a valid safer alternative imo15:30
bdmurrayOkay, well I couldn't find any more bugs like 1715490 so lets punt it then15:30
rbalintbdmurray: and i think it is worth a separate discussion15:30
cyphermoxsounds like it's "just" broken video in VM, "as usual"15:30
sil2100heh15:31
slangasekok; anything else on bugs?15:31
cyphermoxoh, also15:31
cyphermoxbdmurray: you on artful and running in wayland?15:32
bdmurraycyphermox: the host or the guest?15:32
cyphermoxbecause that breaks arrow keys, so it wouldn't be overly surprising if it broke video too somehow15:32
rbalintbdmurray: but adding remove-newly-autoremovable option to update-manager is also valuable for the sake of consistency IMO, it may or may not be the default15:32
cyphermoxon the host15:32
slangasekrbalint: this is only interesting to do if we make it the default15:34
bdmurraycyphermox: not wayland15:34
cyphermoxaok15:34
bdmurrayI did get the arrow key issue though15:34
cyphermoxok15:34
rbalintslangasek: ok15:35
slangasek[TOPIC] AOB15:37
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slangasekanything else?15:37
bdmurraynope15:38
slangasek#endmeeting15:38
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meetingologyMeeting ended Thu Oct  5 15:38:55 2017 UTC.15:38
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slangasekthanks, all!15:38
bdmurrayMonday is a US holiday though15:38
slangasektrue15:39
cyphermoxyep, Thanksgiving!15:39
bdmurrayDoh, Canada too15:39
bdmurrayMy bad15:39
elopioRadioZen: this is not the best place. You can try askubuntu.com16:40
ahoneybunHere everyone16:52
elopiohere o/16:57
flexiondotorgPresent o/16:59
ahoneybunis it 4/6 that we need for a meeting in general16:59
ahoneybun?17:00
flexiondotorgIs quorum required to meet? Isn't that just if there is a vote?17:00
ahoneybunI think just for votes17:00
ahoneybunjust checking17:00
flexiondotorgmarcoceppi: Will you be joining us?17:01
flexiondotorg#startmeeting Community Council17:01
meetingologyMeeting started Thu Oct  5 17:01:31 2017 UTC.  The chair is flexiondotorg. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.17:01
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flexiondotorgLet's assume we are meeting :-)17:01
flexiondotorgwxl: Will you be joining?17:02
wxlo/17:03
ahoneybuno/17:03
flexiondotorgWell, we have 4 of us so far. Let's see if we are joined by any others. If not, we'll get started in a few mins.17:03
flexiondotorgSo we know jose can't make it. Possibly17:05
wxlwhat about marcoceppi ?17:05
flexiondotorgIt is possible the elacheche is also travelling.17:05
wxlis sabdfl joining us?17:05
flexiondotorgwxl: sabdfl is in NYC. Not sure if he will be joining.17:06
wxlah ok17:06
flexiondotorgI think we should assume it's just us for now.17:06
wxlok17:06
flexiondotorgI think we are all aqauinted, but introductions are probably a good idea.17:07
flexiondotorgI am Martin Wimpress. I work for Canonical as a Developer Advocate. I'm also the lead for Ubuntu MATE, which is a personal project.17:08
flexiondotorgWho's next.17:08
* elacheche loves MATE :D17:08
flexiondotorgelacheche: Hello, and thank you :-)17:09
wxlI'm Walter Lapchynski. I work for a small bicycle manufacturer in the US, which I help manage an array of Kubuntu desktops and FreeBSD/Ubuntu servers. I contribute mostly to Kubuntu and Lubuntu.17:09
flexiondotorgahoneybun: You next?17:09
elopioI am Leo Arias, from Costa Rica. I work on the snapcraft team at canonical. I have contributed with LoCo events, translations, bug triaging and a few other things.17:09
elachecheHey there! I am Anis, I work as a SysAdmin, I lead the Tunisian LoCo Team and try to contribute to any Tunisian FOSS projects whenever I have spare time..17:10
ahoneybunI'm Aaron Honeycutt from Denver CO, I work support at system7617:10
wxlOh, I guess I should also mention I'm still on the LoCo Council and the Ubuntu Membership Board and I'm also the Ubuntu Oregon Team Lead.17:10
flexiondotorgwxl Busy then!17:10
wxlflexiondotorg: yeah, especially given i have a wife, a daughter, a house, a full time job, etc. XD17:11
flexiondotorgGiven that we're all new here, does anyone have anything they want to discuss regarding the Community Council?17:11
wxlp.s. should we be using meetingology?17:11
flexiondotorgwxl I start it17:11
flexiondotorg*started17:12
elopioI have a few points I would like to propose. Should I go ahead?17:12
flexiondotorgYep17:12
wxlactually i have something, too, when elopio is done.17:13
flexiondotorgGreat. So do I17:13
elopioFirst, it worries me that we are an all-male panel, and would like to work to improve that for the next election in two years. Second, I think it these meetings would be awesome as youtube on air.17:14
elopioor maybe we could have a text meeting, and a video meeting.17:14
ahoneybunvideo meetings are nice17:14
elopio(and as a side note, there's a bad storm here, I might lose electricity, internet and water any time during the meeting. If I'm gone, please continue and I'll check back later)17:15
wxlelopio: do you think there are examples of non-inclusiveness within the community that we can address?17:15
flexiondotorgI agree with your first point. I think that points to a large issue of Ubuntu Member drop off which I feel we should try and turn around.17:15
wxlafaik we had no nominations for anyone female17:15
elopiowxl: I think we need to investigate that first, and use the reset on community.ubuntu.com to our advantage to make sure it is inclusive from the begining.17:15
flexiondotorgI also agree that video meetings would be a great way to communicate more effortlessly.17:16
wxli think video meetings would possibly be a good way to invite the community to participate with us17:16
flexiondotorgAnd are more accessible for the wider community to access.17:16
wxli think we should be responding to the needs of the community and unless we invite them in to speak with us and make us accessibility, we'll be hard pressed to do that17:16
elopiofor the video, maybe we can use 45 minutes to go through our agenda, and leave 15 minutes in the end to answer questions from the community, or listen to their input.17:17
flexiondotorgComplete agree wxl.17:17
flexiondotorgelopio: I also think we should leverage the new Ubuntu Community Hub.17:17
wxlas an alternate, perhaps we should create a new thing that is like a Q&A session17:17
elachecheAbout the 1st point, we should investigate the roots, we need to find ways to get people around to world to contribute more, then apply for a membership, and encourage them to keep contributing and apply for boards!17:17
wxllike a town hall meeting17:17
flexiondotorgIf we are to reach a new generation of Ubuntu users, and help onboard them to the community, we should use technologies they will embrace.17:17
ahoneybun+100 to the video meetings17:18
wxli don't think that membership or locos are a very visible part of what we do, but the cc is17:18
flexiondotorgWhile I'm happy using IRC and mailing lists, they are not a great way to attract new users and contributors.17:18
wxl(to the outside)17:18
popeyNote: Text is translatable, easily logged, easily read very quickly. videos less so.17:18
wxli think we can transcribe it17:18
wxli can work on finding solutions for that17:19
popeyYou won't :)17:19
popeyEveryone who makes videos says "we'll transcribe it" but they don't :)17:19
wxli meant algorithmically17:19
wxli've been looking at it recently anyways17:19
wxlbecause i HATE videos, personally17:19
elachecheAbout the video meeting, it'll be good, and have already the video chat plateform for the other private meeting, we should not drop IRC..17:19
elopiopopey: hum, it's not terribly hard to translate subtitles for a video. Not a lot harder than for an irc meeting. But we would need help to do both, that's for sure. And that might be a good way to encourage new people to join.17:19
flexiondotorgI see that we are all agreed on growing the Ubuntu community membership though :-D17:19
popeyVideos are actually more intimidating for new people than text17:20
popeyAnd harder to join when you're at work.17:20
wxli disagree given the current culture, popey17:20
wxlbut do agree with how distracting they are17:20
ahoneybunyoutube has some translations17:20
elachecheflexiondotorg: Yeah, but that's the result of helping locos being more active!17:20
elopioflexiondotorg: with the note for: not just growing it, making it less male-centric by making it more welcoming to other genders.17:20
ahoneybunnot great but they are there17:20
popeyWe had tremendous difficulty getting people to join hangouts because they don't want to be seen, don't have the right hardware or are travelling/working17:20
popeyJust my 2p based on past experience.17:21
wxli suspect that is, in part, due to it being a google product17:21
flexiondotorgpopey: Thanks for the insight.17:21
wxl*ahem* matrix *ahem*17:21
popeyNo, that wasn't the issue, but okay.17:21
flexiondotorgelopio: What thoughts did you have of using the Community Hub?17:22
ahoneybunyea google was the issue with some17:22
ahoneybunmaybe look at BigBlueButton?17:22
elopioflexiondotorg: I love it!17:22
flexiondotorgYeah, there is a reason Discourse has become the go to community building tool.17:22
elopioI hate google hangouts because they are google. However, I live in a place with terrible bandwith, and it's the only thing that really works here. No bbb, no talky, no jitsi, we tried everything.17:23
elachecheahoneybun: We have rocket.ubuntu.com.. Why looking for BBB?17:23
elachechex)17:23
flexiondotorgWhat do you guys think about moving Community Council "docs" off the Ubuntu Wiki to the Community Hub?17:23
ahoneybunrocket does video?17:23
elopioflexiondotorg: +117:23
wxlyes, ahoneybun17:23
elopioahoneybun: it uses jitsi for video.17:24
flexiondotorgPerhaps we should take an action to review available voice/video chat services?17:24
wxli think we should do regular talks on how to get involved with ubuntu17:24
flexiondotorgDiscus again in the next meeting?17:24
popey+117:24
flexiondotorgwxl Agree.17:25
elachecheflexiondotorg: this will kill the wiki more and more, LoCo already having issues keeping they're wiki updated, people will ask why CC is using the HUB and we (locos) are forced to use Wiki!17:25
flexiondotorgelacheche: Perhaps the Community Hub is a better place for LoCos too.17:25
elachechewxl: I'm planning to prepare a talk about that for the next SFD x)17:25
flexiondotorgSFD?17:25
elachecheSoftware Freedom Day17:25
flexiondotorgty17:26
elachecheflexiondotorg: Why not, we shold get the LC involved in this..17:26
elopioelacheche: why is the loco forced to use the wiki? aren't they free to use what they like?17:26
flexiondotorgYes, we should work with the LC on this.17:26
* wxl puts on his LC hat :)17:27
popeyNice hat!17:27
elachecheelopio: Locos should report to the wiki17:27
flexiondotorgSo wxl, is there push back about the LoCos using the Wiki?17:27
wxlthere's push back in general about doing anything XD17:27
wxlseriously what i mean is that some people insist on ONLY doing facebook17:28
elopio:)17:28
flexiondotorgelacheche: Is it more a case of having LoCo report activities and events, rather than where they report that?17:28
flexiondotorgwxl So each LoCo has their own Facebook groups?17:29
wxlsome do, some don't17:29
flexiondotorgRight.17:29
flexiondotorgThe Hub is intended to be a portal to the community.17:29
flexiondotorgSo having Facebook etc is fine.17:30
wxland there are some that will ONLY use facebook17:30
flexiondotorgBut using the Hub so the is one place for users to start their community discovery is valuable.17:30
elachecheflexiondotorg: The Ubuntu Tunisia FB group & page did not bring any active contributors to the community.. All engaged contributors are comming from events and staying in the ML and IRC..17:30
wxlso we should have links to the LCs and membership and etc.17:30
wxland it should be easy to find17:31
elopioI think it's fine, they should use whatever works for them. But I would suggest them to try the hub. I think most of them will like it.17:31
flexiondotorgAnd, LoCo certainly need Facebook and all the rest.17:31
flexiondotorgUsing Ubuntu MATE as an exmaple, we have Discourse. But we are active on Facebook, Twitter, G+, Mastadon etc.17:31
flexiondotorgI'd like to use the Hub to prepare agendas for future CC meetings.17:32
flexiondotorgWe can collaborate there and also solicite involvement from the wider community.17:33
elachecheflexiondotorg: based on my experience, FB did not helped in gaining active & engaged contributors..17:33
flexiondotorgSomething we can't do on the wiki because spamming means only members can contribute to the wiki.17:33
elachecheIt can be just the situation in my loco.. Can't talk for others :/17:33
elopiowe have another opportunity to improve things with the upcoming loco election :)17:33
elopiolots of new beginnings these days, I'm happy to be part of this.17:33
flexiondotorgSo the wiki is exclusive.17:33
flexiondotorgelopio: Indeed :-)17:34
elachecheIt'll be great to re-plan how LoCos are running with the new LC :)17:34
flexiondotorgelacheche: Also agree about Facebook. The least useful community reasource for Ubuntu MATE.17:34
flexiondotorgAny of you standing for the LC?17:34
elachecheThe most engaged community is what we have on the ML + IRC and events..17:35
wxlthe thing that i have experienced is that some communities (these are usually not in the English speaking world) seem to find Facebook the best way to community build17:35
wxli don't LIKE facebook, but i understand their point17:35
wxli think it's hard for us to dictate the tools a community must use when we don't really know what their situation is like17:35
flexiondotorgAgree.17:35
elachecheflexiondotorg: It think it will be bad to be in CC, UMB and applying for the LC.. wxl is a special case as he already was part of the LC :p17:36
wxlthat's why LCs are so valuable. they understand what the local community is17:36
wxli'd honestly like to leave the LC. my hope is enough people step up.17:36
flexiondotorgMy understanding the intended role of LC is to help LoCo's grow and "do cool stuff".17:36
wxlyeah17:37
wxlkind of17:37
wxlin reality, the work is more administrative17:37
elachechewxl: You're not moving until there is enough people in there dude x)17:37
flexiondotorgYeah, I hear it has become that. But that wasn't the intention.17:37
wxlthis is why we as the CC are apparently tasked with recreating the vision for the LC :(17:37
ahoneybundamn this meeting is long already lol17:38
wxli mean the way it's set up, both the LC and the UMB have no real decision making power in terms of new directions17:38
elopioso, I propose that as a first task related to LC, we encourage people to propose for the election17:38
wxlYES @elopio !!!!17:38
flexiondotorgelopio: Yes!17:38
elopioonce they are elected, work with them on defining communication channels and tasks17:38
elachecheYes!17:38
wxli mean this is the second call17:39
elachecheelopio: s/people/Ubuntu Memebers/17:39
wxlthat's not good17:39
wxli know there's a degree of distrust or dismay surrounding LoCos in general, too. there was a time where it seemed the LC was an impediment to the groth of LoCos (before my time). that's a problem we need to solve17:40
wxlwe need to "advertise" the purpose of the LCs and what their value is and i think most importantly provide examples of good work done17:41
elopiolet's talk with the members we know. Let's convince them that anything that they hate about locos now can be changed during the next two years, and that we need them in the council to help.17:41
wxlyeah i think that's a great idea17:41
flexiondotorgAgree.17:41
elacheche+117:42
flexiondotorgI'm taking some basic notes here.17:42
elopiook. next topic? Everybody have already proposed their topics for today?17:42
ahoneybunthe main issue I see is when LoCo's only have one member in charge of everything17:42
flexiondotorgWhich leads me to realisation we need to share actions etc from todays meeting.17:42
flexiondotorgSo how do we want to share our discussions with each other and the community?17:43
flexiondotorgI'd like to bootstrap using the Community Hub. Thoughts?17:43
wxlby as many ways as possible17:44
elopioflexiondotorg: I think it would be good for the next meeting to make a call for topics, maybe on monday, on the hub.17:44
elachecheWith each others, the ML, with the community → ML, twitter, fb, irc, etc..17:44
wxli think the reality is that everyone seems to connect in a different way17:44
flexiondotorgelopio: I was thinking exactly that.17:44
elopioand after the meeting, paste the log and a summary in the hub. I can translate it to spanish :)17:44
ahoneybunI think posts on the community hub and blogs on planet would be good17:44
wxlit should be on the hub, it should go to every community mailing list there is, it should be in the news, it should go on all social media17:44
flexiondotorgWe should have "once version of the truth". And link to that via the ML and social networks IMO.17:45
elopioahoneybun: I have been thinking that to reset things, it would be good to join locos in wider regions. Like one for central and south america. And when they grow, split them again.17:45
flexiondotorgHave the discussion happen in a place anyone can participate easily.17:45
wxlmaybe even working to get news outlets to pick it up might be good. this is a new vision we're forming and i think it's important to make it clear to EVERYONE that they're invited to participate17:45
ahoneybunyea joining is always good for larger areas17:45
elopiopopey: do you have a plan for multilanguage in the hub?17:45
wxlor maybe not even that they're invited. that we need them!!!17:46
flexiondotorgwxl I agree with trying to raise the profile of this effort in news sites etc.17:46
elopiowxl: I like that! Let's make more noise.17:46
wxldoes anyone have good connections out there?17:47
flexiondotorgMe17:47
wxlthen you have an action item :)17:47
flexiondotorgJust noted it :-)17:47
elopioMartin is friends with everybody. Literally, every single person.17:47
flexiondotorgWell, not quite everyone.17:48
flexiondotorgNext year maybe ;-)17:48
flexiondotorgWhat social accounts should we be using to spread the word?17:48
popeyNo plans for multi language yet, but could certainly have separate categories for loco or language specific things.17:48
wxltwitter, facebook, g+17:48
popeyThat would be awesome17:48
wxli don't know what else we have17:48
wxlmastodon?17:48
wxlwho's in charge of those things anyways?17:48
popeyMySpace?17:49
flexiondotorgwxl You mean the Ubuntu social accounts right?17:49
wxlflexiondotorg: yes17:49
flexiondotorgpopey: Back in your box! ;-)17:49
flexiondotorgOK17:49
flexiondotorgwxl: I can ge the message out via those.17:50
ahoneybunmastondon?17:50
ahoneybunwhat about that too lol17:50
wxllet's also work with other flavors and key people to make sure they spread the message too17:50
flexiondotorgWe did ask about this for something else.17:50
flexiondotorgwxl: Good point.17:50
flexiondotorgahoneybun: Mastadon is not what it was. Unless you speak Japanses.17:51
wxlwhat about putting something on the download page? too dramatic?17:51
elopiohey, what about inviting flavors to the next meeting? It would be good to hear what they need.17:51
wxlflexiondotorg: you're referring to the global feed, of course17:51
ahoneybunwell you have Lubuntu and Kubuntu here lol17:51
wxland MATE!17:51
flexiondotorgelopio: That was something I wanted to discuss.17:51
flexiondotorgI was invited to a CC meeting ages ago for Ubuntu MATE.17:52
wxli believe that's also one of the cards we have to deal with17:52
flexiondotorgI think we should reach out to the flavours.17:52
flexiondotorgBut I also think we should have a scope for meeting with them.17:52
flexiondotorgWhat do we want to know. What value are we going to add?17:52
wxlyeah in the past they've been just simple check ins17:53
elopiomaybe not next week then. We still need to figure out too many random topics.17:53
flexiondotorgI feel that is "busy work".17:53
wxlyup17:53
flexiondotorgI think we can hold off catching up with falvour for the future.17:53
elopiosounds good.17:54
flexiondotorgWhen we've figured out what the value of those meetins would be.17:54
ahoneybun+117:54
wxlagreed17:54
flexiondotorgIs anyone objected to using the Ubuntu Community Hub to organise our activities and report on our meetings?17:55
wxlno17:55
flexiondotorgBecause I am motivated to move our focus there. Not least because we can track social engagement there.17:55
flexiondotorgHaving used Discourse in Ubuntu MATE for years I see a whole lot of potential in the Community Hub.17:56
flexiondotorgAnd I also feel we should be leading from the front.17:56
flexiondotorgahoneybun: elacheche You thoughts on that?17:56
elopiono objection, big +10017:56
flexiondotorgAs we only have a few mins, one last topic.17:57
flexiondotorgRepeating Calendar invite to this meeting?17:57
elopiothis time and day works for me.17:58
flexiondotorgGood.17:58
ahoneybun+1 flexiondotorg  I've not looked at the hub yet but it looks nice17:58
ahoneybunsame here17:58
flexiondotorgOK.17:58
wxli forgot what i wanted to ask XD so i guess i'm good for now17:59
flexiondotorgSo I will talk to popey and find out how we can make a new home for the CC on the Community Hub.17:59
flexiondotorgwxl Go!17:59
flexiondotorg:-)17:59
wxlbut yeah this time is good17:59
flexiondotorgCan all CC members sign up on the Community Hub please.17:59
wxlyeah i'll get that done today18:00
flexiondotorgCheers.18:00
wxlit's been sitting in my browser to remind me to play with it anyways18:00
elopioso, before you leave, we have two events that will be great to diversify our community: hacktoberfest and google code-in. We are organizing that in the hub, so just give it a look and help in any way you can.18:00
flexiondotorgWe can use it to tag one another.18:00
flexiondotorgelopio: Good point!18:00
elopiothanks everybody. I can collect the log and paste it in the hub.18:00
elopiowho wants to make a summary?18:00
flexiondotorgI will write up a summary.18:00
ahoneybunI'm on the Hub18:01
elopio<318:01
flexiondotorgI'll post it on the Hub and share via the MLs and socials.18:01
flexiondotorgOnce we have a suitable category on the Hub.18:01
elopiooh, the bot collects the log, right?18:01
elopioI will just translate it.18:01
flexiondotorgYep. I'll stop the bot in a sec.18:01
flexiondotorgAny last questions?18:02
ahoneybunthat's it for me18:02
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flexiondotorgOK, all done. See you on the COmmuntiy Hub :-)18:03
elopio👏18:03
flexiondotorg#stopmeeting18:03
wxlthanks everyone18:03
ahoneybunthanks folks!18:04
flexiondotorg#endmeeting18:04
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