[11:36] <Scary_Guy> pixel 2 doesn't have a 3.5mm jack, which is a goddamn standard.  If they wanted to go smaller they should have just gone with a 2.5mm jack and upconverted from that.  now we need hubs and converters anyway and it's going to make any sound guy's job that has to hook up a phone that much harder
[11:38] <Scary_Guy> at least they got everything else right again.  almost like a newer nexus 6 from what I see
[12:44] <Scary_Guy> https://www.penzba.co.uk/GreybeardStories/TheBlackTeam.html
[12:44] <mrgoodcat> how often does a sound guy have to hook up a phone?
[12:45] <Scary_Guy> depends on what's going on.  sometimes I have to work with performers (fire eaters, burlesque, etc..) and they have their own music
[12:45] <Scary_Guy> usually they'll hand it to me on a USB stick or CD
[12:46] <mrgoodcat> yea i understand that you dont want to have to carry dongles, but it is what it is
[12:47] <mrgoodcat> and they didn't do it for thinness from what i understand, but for easier waterproofing
[12:47] <mrgoodcat> thinness may be a factor, ifaict the waterproofing is the motivating force
[12:48] <Scary_Guy> not from what I read, a few years ago people were complaining it made it thicker.  I don't really see why if they put a case on it anyway, but cases are dumb and a completely separate issue
[12:49] <mrgoodcat> i love naked phone feel
[12:49] <Scary_Guy> they should make the phone as thick as the case, more rugged, and stick in a huge battery.  but then idiots wont buy it because it's too bulky
[12:49] <mrgoodcat> if by idiots you mean me
[12:49] <mrgoodcat> then ye
[12:49] <mrgoodcat> screw big ass phone just because other people can't take care of theirs
[12:49] <mrgoodcat> i don't drop mine
[12:50] <Scary_Guy> on a long enough timeline accidents will happen.  I don't drop mine either, usually
[12:50] <mrgoodcat> and battery is a non-issue on my pixel
[12:50] <mrgoodcat> i've not had it die in a single day yet
[12:50] <mrgoodcat> i haven't broken a phone since high school and that was a flip phone that went in a pool
[12:51] <mrgoodcat> waterproofing would have saved it :)
[12:51] <Scary_Guy> that's not to say people don't get drunk and lose fine motor control among other things
[12:51] <mrgoodcat> giant cases are gross
[12:51] <Scary_Guy> cases are gross from an engineering standpoint.  should be completely unnecessary
[12:52] <Scary_Guy> there was a rugged casio phone that was slow as hell but wow they could take a beating
[12:52] <Scary_Guy> back when android 2.3 was a thing
[12:52] <mrgoodcat> there was a moto like that too
[12:52] <mrgoodcat> moto z2 force?
[12:53] <Scary_Guy> I don't think I ever played with one of those
[12:53] <mrgoodcat> nobody bought them
[12:53] <mrgoodcat> release june 2017 i just looked
[12:53] <mrgoodcat> thats why
[12:54] <mrgoodcat> they're pretty new
[12:54] <Scary_Guy> probably because too bulky
[12:54] <mrgoodcat> and when was the last time you saw a new phone that wasn't samsung/iphone/pixel/....htc?
[12:54] <mrgoodcat> not even htc really
[12:54] <mrgoodcat> not even pixel really
[12:55] <mrgoodcat> my friends have pixels but its a skewed sample as a CS student
[12:55] <Scary_Guy> https://www.gsmarena.com/casio-phones-77.php  The Commando was rock solid
[12:55] <mrgoodcat> ya i wouldn't buy that
[12:55] <Scary_Guy> yeah, not the prettiest thing for sure
[12:56] <Scary_Guy> but I'm a function over form type guy
[12:56] <mrgoodcat> "doesn't break when dropped" isn't function for me
[12:56] <mrgoodcat> since, like i said, i haven't broken a phone by dropping
[12:57] <Scary_Guy> give it time, we lose everything as we age
[12:57] <Scary_Guy> and again, the occasional drunk episode
[12:58] <mrgoodcat> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[12:58] <mrgoodcat> i don't really drink much either
[12:59] <Scary_Guy> well, hopefully you're running some type of auto backup on it then
[12:59] <mrgoodcat> its an android
[12:59] <mrgoodcat> everything important isn't even on it
[13:00] <mrgoodcat> or is at least copied
[13:00] <Scary_Guy> not always, I ripped out the google parts and stuck on a custom OS
[13:01] <mrgoodcat> hopefully you're running some type of auto backup on it then :)
[13:01] <mrgoodcat> in my experience, switching phones on android is painless and quick
[13:02] <mrgoodcat> i don't really know but i assume iphone is the same way
[13:02] <mrgoodcat> although i understand it isn't quite as good
[13:02] <Scary_Guy> it is, easier than reloading a new OS anyway
[13:02] <Scary_Guy> iphone I think you just plug in your icloud and everything works
[13:02] <mrgoodcat> i'm looking through my list of apps now
[13:02] <mrgoodcat> lol
[13:03] <mrgoodcat> i don't see any that stick out at me that would have anything local-only
[13:03] <Scary_Guy> I have lots that are local only, even my map app runs on device incase internet goes out
[13:04] <mrgoodcat> so does google maps
[13:05] <mrgoodcat> i meant that wouldn't be easily restored on a new phone
[13:05] <Scary_Guy> not all of the map
[13:05] <mrgoodcat> like i lost my old phone in vegas in june
[13:05] <mrgoodcat> stolen in a bar
[13:05] <mrgoodcat> :/
[13:05] <mrgoodcat> and i got this one
[13:05] <Scary_Guy> that blows, did you try device.android.com to find it?
[13:05] <mrgoodcat> and it had all my stuff back in like a handful of minutes
[13:05] <mrgoodcat> Scary_Guy: yea i tried
[13:06] <mrgoodcat> i suspect it's been wiped
[13:07] <Scary_Guy> well at least it was encrypted I'm guessing
[13:08] <mrgoodcat> yea
[13:08] <mrgoodcat> i could be wrong but i think all nexus 6's are encrypted from the factory
[13:08] <mrgoodcat> in any case, mine was
[13:09] <mrgoodcat> i wouldn't use a phone without encrypting
[13:09] <Scary_Guy> ideally not, but it wasn't always an out of the box thing with androids
[13:09] <Scary_Guy> I think it started to be a thing with M by defualt
[13:10] <Scary_Guy> default*
[13:10] <mrgoodcat> yea i can't really remember
[13:10] <mrgoodcat> my galaxy s5 wasn't ootb encrypted, but i turned it on right away
[13:10] <mrgoodcat> i can't remember when it became an option
[13:11] <mrgoodcat> looks like M made it mandatory
[13:12] <mrgoodcat> "for most new devices"
[13:12] <mrgoodcat> whatever that means
[13:12] <Scary_Guy> carriers still had the option of screwing over their customers I think
[13:12] <mrgoodcat> handset manufacturers i think
[13:12] <mrgoodcat> possibly carriers too i guess
[13:13] <Scary_Guy> or that, but usually it's the carriers who mess things up from my experience
[13:15] <mrgoodcat> good reason to switch to fi
[13:17] <Scary_Guy> meh, don't trust alphabet eitehr
[13:17] <Scary_Guy> either*
[14:46] <cmaloney> PostgreSQL 10 is released
[14:47] <rick_h> woot woot
[14:58] <jrwren> re: headphone jack. It occured to me that it is NOT just the jack. it is the DAC and amplifier which can exist in dongle instead of device, saving precious space for more battery
[15:02] <jrwren> https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2017/10/4/16425738/google-pixel-2-usb-c-headphone-dongles-20-replacement
[15:03] <jrwren> apple's is $9
[15:03] <rick_h> jrwren: yea
[15:04] <rick_h> jrwren: and google's is $20 :(
[15:04] <jrwren> lolz
[15:04] <rick_h> but google gives you one in the box
[15:04] <jrwren> I'm wrong about the DAC and AMP, because DUH... the speakers on the phone.
[15:04] <jrwren> apple gives you one in the box too.
[15:04] <rick_h> well but I know the adapter has a dac in it
[15:05] <rick_h> we'll see in 2 weeks
[15:05] <jrwren> you do? how do you know?
[15:05] <rick_h> figure out how it works. I think I'll just leave an adapter on my headphones and use BT for the most part
[15:05] <rick_h> jrwren: well I read that it had a DAC in it yesterday as I was researching this thing
[15:06] <jrwren> yup, exactly. the adapter thing is not a big deal.
[15:06] <jrwren> i know a year ago people said same thing re: apple  : http://appleinsider.com/articles/16/06/29/cirrus-logic-unveils-apple-authorized-lightning-headphone-development-kit
[15:06] <jrwren> but I'm still skeptical :)
[15:07] <rick_h> yea, I'm sure I'll get cranky, but i think only when I'm on a plane
[15:07] <rick_h> it's the only time I really have to use my noise canceling stuff
[16:12] <cmaloney> Apparently I'm a dinosaur for wanting to use corded headphones in our future
[16:12] <cmaloney> So be it
[16:13] <jrwren> no. i too will be using cords.
[16:13] <jrwren> HD25SP 4lyfe
[16:13] <cmaloney> I'll listen to my spinning shiny discs and corded headphones and you all can go to hell. :)
[16:13] <jrwren> I just replaced the damn wire on it.
[16:13] <jrwren> i friend just pointed out that bluetooth audio has its own compresion
[16:13] <cmaloney> \m/
[16:13] <cmaloney> Riiiiight!
[16:13] <jrwren> so when you listen to mp3 on BT it decompresses and recompresses
[16:13] <jrwren> which is equiv to transcoding.
[16:13] <jrwren> which strips bass from audio
[16:14] <jrwren> hence: no BT of real music listening.
[16:14] <cmaloney> Which is awesome if you don't give a shit about music
[16:14] <jrwren> BT is great for podcasts adn casual
[16:14] <jrwren> right.
[16:14] <cmaloney> Also: what happens if you're in a rental car?
[16:14] <cmaloney> Are you going to pair your phone with a foreign car?
[16:14] <cmaloney> and what if they only have an aux jack?
[16:14] <cmaloney> Fucking short sighed
[16:15] <cmaloney> sighted
[16:15] <jrwren> you USB in a rental car.
[16:15] <jrwren> works great.
[16:15] <cmaloney> Even better
[16:15] <cmaloney> hope it doesn't install something. :)
[16:16] <jrwren> I have paired BT in rental and found ZE?RO benefit of that over USB other than wireless
[16:16] <jrwren> and wireless sucks.
[16:16] <jrwren> install something.  lolz... android.
[16:16] <jrwren> I use secure apple products ;p
[16:16] <cmaloney> Hope someone licks your thunderbolt connector then
[16:16] <cmaloney> ;)
[16:21] <cmaloney> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gptW3In7QKs
[16:22] <cmaloney> Recorded in 1959 on 35MM film
[16:24] <jrwren> <3 Symphonie fantastique
[16:25] <cmaloney> https://www.stereophile.com/content/fine-art-mercury-living-presence-recordings
[16:28] <jrwren> I want samsung to make their own OS for their laptops. linux based, but REAL linux and open.  not evil spy closed google stuff..
[16:28] <jrwren> have it run teizen
[16:28] <cmaloney> I'm not sure I would trust Samsung not to install their own spyware
[16:28] <cmaloney> They're somewhere in the Lenovo bucket in my book
[17:28] <jrwren> i trust 'em more than I trust goog, fb, msft, amzn
[17:41] <brousch> https://meta.slashdot.org/story/17/10/03/2356229/20-years-of-stuff-that-matters
[18:19] <greg-g> the one nice thing about not using my dslr lately and just using my phone is my backup of my photos progresses faster through the days/months the closer to today it gets :)
[18:19] <greg-g> (backup to a remote host, that is)
[18:19] <cmaloney> Yeah