[03:03] <magkneetoe> hey
[03:04] <magkneetoe> before installing package from apt-get should i do -f?
[03:04] <magkneetoe> or does it install necessary dependancies
[03:05] <keithzg[m]> magkneetoe: If you're installing a package from apt, it automatically figures out dependencies. You only need stuff like -f when you've installed a .deb file manually and it's missing dependencies.
[03:06] <magkneetoe> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
[03:06] <magkneetoe> ke
[03:06] <magkneetoe> keithzg[m]: thanks for that
[03:07] <keithzg[m]> magkneetoe: no problem :)
[03:09] <magkneetoe> =]
[06:10] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:33] <Guest94996> Hi
[08:11] <lordievader> o/
[08:26] <anqxyr> on 17.04, I can't enable scripts in ktorrent, despite having krosspython installed. Any advice?
[09:42] <markc> Are there any Plasma 5.11 PPAs around?
[09:43] <markc> I've been using http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/beta/ubuntu artful but 5.11 is due today (6th)
[09:57] <acheronuk> markc: plasma 5.11 is due out on the 10th
[09:57] <acheronuk> https://community.kde.org/Schedules/Plasma_5
[09:58] <acheronuk> Date Release: Tue 2017-10-10
[10:06] <acheronuk> markc: have done some test builds already, but not public ones. when they get to release on 10th, should have something somewhere, even if just builds for testers to try
[10:22] <ystein> Hello. I am wondering why most touchpad settings are greyed out in System Settings. Using Kubuntu Artful, latest daily on an Asus laptop. Might this be a known bug or am I ignoring something?
[10:27] <ystein> No extra drivers for my touchpad are available from the Driver Manager in System Settings. Touchpad is working fine; the only issue is that I can't change the settings from the Settings Manager.
[10:54] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[11:10] <ystein_> Hello BluesKaj
[11:10] <BluesKaj> Hi ystein_
[12:24] <markc> ‎acheronuk‎: apologies, I was looking at the Date Tars column and got over excited, I'd love to be a tester so I'll poke around again in 4 or 5 days
[12:27] <acheronuk> markc: no probs. that (yesterday) is when distro packagers got the first spin of release tarballs to test build. then find any build issue or obvious bugs, so they correct those problems for the actual release
[12:28] <markc> ‎acheronuk‎: yep, I tested the beta packages and reported back before they went public
[12:31] <acheronuk> markc: same here, but keeping a bit of a tighter reign on access until I know these are likely to be the final ones
[14:28] <gsharp_> Windows 10 user(legacy/mbr), wanna install Ubuntu
[14:57] <BluesKaj> gsharp_, this Kubuntu support , but look here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation
[14:57] <gsharp_>    guess both Ubuntu and Kubuntu work the same :)
[14:58] <BluesKaj> not exactly, but close what do you want to install, Kubuntu or Ubuntu?
[14:59] <gsharp_> Ubuntu :)
[14:59] <gsharp_> Actually have got a downloaded Ubuntu iso file
[15:00] <BluesKaj> gsharp_, then join the #ubuntu chat for help if needed
[15:00] <BluesKaj> or refer to the URL I posted above
[15:01] <gsharp_> Posted my question there....haven't yet responded
[15:01] <gsharp_> Actually I had tried installing by reading ubuntu forums and watching youtube videos but didn't work out for me :(
[15:02] <oerheks> i didn't see a question in there > <gsharp_> Ubuntu setup in a windows laptop <gsharp_> mbr partitioned
[15:19] <gsharp_> oerheks: Yeah
[15:21] <kiroma> How do you resize widgets?
[15:21] <mparillo> click and hold.
[15:21] <kiroma> That moves it
[15:22] <mparillo> You should see a bar on the side of your widgets after maybe three second.
[15:22] <mparillo> seconds
[15:22] <kiroma> O
[15:22] <kiroma> h
[15:22] <kiroma> That's not intuitive
[15:23] <mparillo> I used to prefer the right mouse button way from Plasma 4.
[15:23] <mparillo> IIRC
[15:23] <kiroma> I'm on 17.10
[15:23] <kiroma> Okay, thanks.
[16:45] <dougiel> morning folds
[16:45] <dougiel> err folks too
[17:25] <dougl> what should I google for to fix my icon text on desktop of 17.04 with nvidia drivers?
[17:40] <kiroma> dougl what's the issue? Is the text corrupted?
[17:44] <kiroma> It's a fairly known issue that NVidia's properitary drivers don't handle going to sleep too well.
[17:49] <vrmuppalla> Is omission of kio_gdrive in beta2 intentional or an oversight ?
 I'm not sure that kio gdrive has had a release yet
 if it has, yes it is an oversight
[17:51] <vrmuppalla> thanks, Valoriez. Hope to see it in final.
[17:52] <vrmuppalla> It is included in neon releases, even the LTS.
 well, neon is mostly git-snapshots, but LTS should be released software, so I"ll ask the devels
 Partly oversight, partly as it's not even a source in debian yet, and could not work until we got apps 17.04.x in
 it may be too late to get it into Artful because of the freezes
 but we'll have it for sure soon after release
 good point, rik
 It can and will go into backports PPA on release day
[17:57] <vrmuppalla> oh, no ! It worked quite well in neon. Was able to use kde wallet to store the auth tokens and could access multiple accounts.
 https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-kdeapplications/+packages?field.name_filter=gdrive&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=
 have built it. just did not quite get into the main archive
[18:09] <kiroma> Clicking on left side of my screen voids any mouse input
[18:09] <kiroma> As if the mouse was getting out of bounds of my screen
[18:26] <ystein_> Nice to know that kio-gdrive is coming. I was considering switching to Neon or Manjaro just for that feature (google drive).
[18:30] <BluesKaj> ystein_, seems it's not in the repos for Kubuntu yet
 it is in staging, which should only be used for testing
 but once it's in debian, it's a shoein for the archives
[18:34] <acheronuk> yes, the loooooooooooooooooooooong debian freeze for stretch put us behind for several new packages
[18:34] <BluesKaj> ystein_, but this ppa looks like it'll work https://askubuntu.com/questions/936140/can-kio-gdrive-be-installed-to-kubuntu-or-only-kde-neon
[18:35] <acheronuk> should be easier to get new sources into the archive now
[18:35] <acheronuk> but Artful freeze is in place sadly
[18:37] <ystein_> BluesKaj: Hey, thanks. Will check it out later.
[18:38] <BluesKaj> ystein_, np
[18:40] <BluesKaj> think I'll wait since I'm on Artful. 3 weeks or so isn't too long, and I don't use the google drive much anyway
[19:17] <dougl> kiroma, thanks for the input - s
[19:45] <Iwaki> Anyone care to explain why this function is in KDE ?
[19:45] <clivejo> what function?
[19:45] <Iwaki> The chat
[19:46] <Iwaki> Is it just for the lolz? or is it functional?
[19:46] <clivejo> because a lot of development takes place on IRC
[19:46] <Iwaki> Ok thank you :)
[19:46] <clivejo> and KDE is great :P
[19:47] <acheronuk> IRC is old, but it is tested and reliable, so still used by many open source projects
[19:47] <Iwaki> First time using Kubuntu ;) came from elementaryOS but thought it was too buggy. Not enough to be terrible but enough to be annoyin
[19:47] <clivejo> the Kool Kids use Telegram
[19:47] <Iwaki> Feel the menu's are a bit on the busy side
[19:48] <Iwaki> Ah, I use telegram
[19:48] <kiroma> IRC is used a lot by developers. If you need to ask a question about a Linux compoment you can bet there is a channel for category of question you want to ask.
[19:48] <Iwaki> Cool :)
[19:48] <clivejo> what version of Kubuntu have you installed?
[19:48] <kiroma> KDE applications are usualy like that, they like putting as many features in as possible.
[19:49] <kiroma> Not that I complain.
[19:49] <Iwaki> 17.04
[19:49] <clivejo> Iwaki: what do you use your system for mostly?
[19:50] <acheronuk> Daniel Foré from elementary was on our podcast a few months back. he'll be sad to hear you left
[19:50] <acheronuk> but we are glad to have you
[19:50] <Iwaki> Mostly for browsing, typing up documents. I travel a lot since I have an overseas relationship
[19:51] <Iwaki> Tried ubuntu for a few weeks but thought it was too bloated with Amazon junk
[19:51] <clivejo> and unity :P
[19:52] <Iwaki> Loved tinycore as a daily driver. But it just looks like *#*
[19:52] <kiroma> Unity isn't too bad IMO, but I enjoy Plasma.
[19:54] <clivejo> I don't like it at all!
[19:54] <clivejo> just rubs me the wrong way
[19:55] <Iwaki> Hmm yes, I get where you're coming from
[19:55] <Iwaki> Feels like intuitive things are missing in it's GUI
[19:56] <Iwaki> It just doesn't do what you want it to do
[19:56] <acheronuk> to much hassle switching apps/desktop/workspaces for me
[19:57] <acheronuk> KDE panels and taskmanagers just do what I want
[19:57] <kiroma> Where can I change screenshot daemon?
[19:57] <clivejo> acheronuk: do you use latte-dock on your own install?
[19:57] <kiroma> I don't like spectacle too much.
[19:58] <acheronuk> clivejo: nope. it's nice, but a few hacks of the iconsonly taskmanager's qml actually does better for me right now
[19:59] <Iwaki> Acheronuk: I rarely use more than one desktop or workspace. So didn't have any trouble with that
[19:59] <dougl> kiroma, Thank you for the info re: Nvidia and artifacts/bad title bars and messy desktop icon labels - I messed around with the drivwes and check option for intel micro code and it seems to have resolved the issue - just thought I give you a 'nod' and thank you for the pointer and share incase anyone else is wondering
[19:59] <Iwaki> My kubuntu is as stock as it gets atm
[20:00] <kiroma> No problem, we're here to help.
[20:00] <dougl> thanks
[20:00] <acheronuk> fair enough. KDE is flexible enough to cope with most needs :)
[20:00] <clivejo> I want more!
[20:00] <Iwaki> anyone know where i can define keyboard shortcuts? I want my terminal to be Ctrl+alt+t
[20:01] <clivejo> System Settings > Shortcuts
[20:01] <kiroma> Iwaki: System Settings -> Shortcuts
[20:02] <kiroma> Custom Shortcuts -> Examples -> Enable: Run Terminal
[20:02] <clivejo> under Workspace section
[20:02] <Iwaki> Thanks :)
[20:02] <kiroma> *Run Konsole
[20:05] <dougl> Iwaki, did you find where to config that ctl+alt+t I cannot find terminal in the list
[20:06] <Iwaki> Yes I found it. It's called konsole
[20:06] <Iwaki> I guess KDE is german :P
[20:07] <Iwaki> It's a bit messy though. but maybe it's because of my low display resolution
[20:07] <Iwaki> Type in search "global shortcuts"
[20:07] <dougl> LOL - I knew it english was a second language to the creators...
[20:07] <dougl> Iwaki, thank you
[20:09] <dougl> Hmmm - still cannot find it... I must be blind?
[20:09] <Iwaki> click the +
[20:10] <Iwaki> Then it's under system
[20:10] <Iwaki> Don't praise the day untill it ended :P
[20:11] <dougl> Praise Jeebus - I would have never found that thank you
[20:12] <acheronuk> I love KDE, but they do make some stuff hard to find!
[20:12] <clivejo> and weird names!
[20:13] <Iwaki> Actually I still prefer elementary. But every bug I get rid of I get 10 new ones
[20:14] <Iwaki> Also my bluetooth doesn't work
[20:14] <Iwaki> says adapter isn't found
[20:16] <dougl> I have always been KDE for main computers - I like the eye candy
[20:17] <Iwaki> I've been using elementary somewhere since version 0.1
[20:17] <Iwaki> And ubuntu till 10
[20:18] <acheronuk> you can make most desktops look 'pretty' with some effort, but with KDE it's the shortest road. plus the default is not bad
[20:19] <clivejo> pretty decent on resources too
[20:19] <Iwaki> I added effort in the West-Frysk translations for Elementary. I think I was the only user as well ^
[20:20] <kiroma> The dark default is cool
[20:20] <acheronuk> yeah. still quite amazed it now uses about 400MB RAM on new install!
[20:20] <kiroma> Meanwhile windows consumes 3gb when idle.
[20:20] <acheronuk> unless you start akonadi
[20:22] <clivejo> then boom
[20:22] <Iwaki> Windows is as leak as a basket :P Friend of mine lost his password. Windows tells you it's impossible to reset it. Unless you boot up cmd from a usb and add a new administrator. It kind of made us question the need for a password
[20:22] <dougl> Yes, Linux makes pretty much anything possible but for people with bad memory (brain) kubuntu os my goto OS
[20:23] <clivejo> gigabytes gone and disk grinding hell
[20:23] <Iwaki> No disks grinding here. SSD's only :)
[20:23] <kiroma> NTFS Purgatory
[20:26] <dougl> I have dual nvidia (sli) is there anyway I can run to xorg thinys one on each display?
[20:26] <Iwaki> Wish I could help. never had the luxury of 2 graphics cards. sorry
[20:27] <Iwaki> You already installed the proprietary drivers?
[20:28] <kiroma> What do you mean by "Xorg thingy"?
[20:28] <kiroma> You mean the display manager dougl?
[20:37] <dougl> kiroma, yes 2 X servers
[20:37] <kiroma> I'm not sure if that's possible
[20:38] <dougl> Iwaki, I never had nice cards until my son gave me his rig - by gave I mean only charged me for the additional 560Ti
[20:38] <dougl> kiroma, I dont know either but sounds like fun trying
[20:38] <kiroma> I know you can run 2 x servers and switch between them, but having both run concurrently is a whole different thing.
[20:39] <dougl> kiroma, 2 x servers means I can rotate (desktop cube) each monitor independantly
[20:39] <dougl> kiroma, wow that sounds cool
[20:40] <kiroma> No, 2 x servers means you can switch between them like you do between virtual consoles
[20:40] <kiroma> So ctrl+alt+F1-F12
[20:40] <kiroma> By default you have an x session running on tty7 (ctrl+alt+F7)
[20:42] <dougl> ok
[20:43] <kiroma> Try #ubuntu, there are more pros than here. Maybe it is possible.
[20:43] <dougl> yes I recall I have had an x server running on f7 and f8 before...
[20:43] <dougl> kiroma, that was forever ago tho
[20:44] <kiroma> You still have, otherwise you wouldn't be able to use konversation.
[20:44] <dougl> I think gentoo or redhat
[20:44] <dougl> kiroma, konversation do tell
[20:45] <dougl> konversation does not even run on my machine.
[20:45] <dougl> crashes
[20:45] <kiroma> I mean you wouldn't be able to use graphical interfaces
[20:46] <dougl> oh
[20:47] <kiroma> You can press ctrl+alt+F1 to see how Linux looks without xsession and ctrl+alt+F7 to go back to it.
[20:48] <dougl> kiroma, right ;)
[20:50] <dougl> brb
[21:17] <Iwaki> dougl: that's mighty nice of your son to give you his old rig. Wish i still had a desktop my notebook lacks graphic power
[21:24] <dougl> Iwaki, he is a good kid well young man
[22:12] <Iwaki> I just left my Notebook for a while to find it was blowing at max speed. The package "web" was taking up 100% of my cpu only the webpage youtube was opened and this chat
[22:13] <Iwaki> Anyone else have problems with this?