| tgBot | Shivam Dubey was added by: Shivam Dubey | 00:01 |
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| tgBot | <wayneoutthere> @Shivam Dubey, Big welcome to you, Shivam. | 00:05 |
| tgBot | <Shivam Dubey> @wayneoutthere, Thanks | 00:05 |
| tgBot | <wayneoutthere> @Schyken, yes. she knows she is bad. knowing is half the battle. | 00:11 |
| ubports_bot | Project daily-hammerhead build #342: SUCCESS in 12 min: http://ci.ubports.com/job/daily-hammerhead/342/ | 00:26 |
| ubports_bot | Project ota-push build #1120: SUCCESS in 2 min 0 sec: http://ci.ubports.com/job/ota-push/1120/ | 00:28 |
| tgBot | <Russ B> QQ: Does "legacy" mean the device isn't going to get the 16.04 update? Specifically the N4 | 00:36 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> yes | 00:36 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> That's what it means | 00:36 |
| tgBot | <Russ B> 👍 | 00:37 |
| tgBot | <wayneoutthere> @UniversalSuperBox, 👎 | 00:38 |
| tgBot | <Russ B> It's been a long while since I've been in here... Is the OPO 100% or does it still have some issues with bluetooth and camera? I think those were the sticking points... I can't remember... | 00:38 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> Camera works, but Bluetooth has issues across the board. Any specific issue you were thinking of? | 00:39 |
| tgBot | <Russ B> And yeah I saw it's marked 100% on the website but I also remember there was some discussion about that... | 00:39 |
| tgBot | <Russ B> Nothing specific, just trying to decide which device to pick up if I were to replace my N4. I suppose that's my question. | 00:40 |
| tgBot | <Russ B> N5 seems to be very popular | 00:40 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> The Nexus 5 has HDMI out so you can do convergence without the annoyance of Miracast | 00:41 |
| xorpad | N5 is very popular, because it's a great phone comapred to newer phones at the same price | 00:41 |
| tgBot | <Zephoro> @Russ B, N6P even more popular. ;_; | 00:41 |
| tgBot | <Russ B> I had an n6p. Didn't care for it. Not great battery and bent in my pocket. Twice. | 00:41 |
| tgBot | <Russ B> But anywho, of the core devices Fairphone isn't really in my scope, so it was between the OPO and N5 | 00:42 |
| tgBot | <Zephoro> @Russ B, Wew. *_* | 00:42 |
| tgBot | <Russ B> Since I know asking "what's the best xxx" is just flame bait | 00:42 |
| xorpad | Like N5 used to be a very expensive phone but google subsidized it, so it was always $200, despite having specs of a $600 phone. the price hasn't dropped much because it still competes with $200 phones in most ways | 00:42 |
| tgBot | <Zephoro> But still, $200 is expensive in India. ;_; | 00:44 |
| tgBot | <wayneoutthere> @Zephoro, I want indian prices :( | 00:48 |
| ubports_bot | Project ota-push-rc build #1: FAILURE in 0.93 sec: http://ci.ubports.com/job/ota-push-rc/1/ | 00:48 |
| tgBot | <Zephoro> @wayneoutthere, ;_; | 00:48 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> You tried, ubports_bot. | 00:49 |
| tgBot | <Zephoro> Lol. | 00:49 |
| tgBot | <Xorpad> @UniversalSuperBox Where should I start with working on bullhead? | 00:49 |
| tgBot | <Xorpad> @UniversalSuperBox you were the one working on it right? | 00:49 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> At one point. There's a Halium build now. | 00:49 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> I can't test it because I need my 5X. | 00:50 |
| tgBot | <Xorpad> Oh, so I should start with their build? | 00:50 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> Yes, but see these bugs... digs | 00:50 |
| tgBot | <Xorpad> bugs are just excuses to have more fun:D | 00:50 |
| jcjordyn120 | t | 00:50 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> u | 00:50 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> https://github.com/Halium/projectmanagement/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=is%3Aissue%20is%3Aopen%20bullhead | 00:50 |
| tgBot | <Xorpad> if it weren't for bugs programming would be fast and easy | 00:50 |
| tgBot | <Zephoro> @Xorpad, True. | 00:51 |
| tgBot | <Xorpad> and if it was easy I wouldn't enjoy it | 00:51 |
| tgBot | <Xorpad> the reason I do the stuff I do is because it's hard and forces me to adapt and grow | 00:51 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> What's your Github? | 00:51 |
| tgBot | <Xorpad> it's almost empty, because I have private stuff on gitlab, but my nick on github is zerorax, so I think it's github.com/zerorax | 00:52 |
| tgBot | <Xorpad> It's mostly stuff I don't care if people steal... All my stuff I want to use in my portfolio stays private | 00:53 |
| tgBot | <Xorpad> I wish I used github starting long ago, so that I wouldn't have lost my whole portfolio through a series of stupid mistakes | 00:54 |
| tgBot | <Xorpad> If i didn't lose all my code, i'd have 3 OS's, 2 competed and one a work in progress, and i'd have a c compiler | 00:55 |
| tgBot | <Xorpad> along with tons of random stuff I did as learning projects | 00:55 |
| tgBot | <Xorpad> I should make another C compiler... the world needs more C compilers(j/k) | 00:56 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> Nah, needs faster Python interpreters though. :P | 00:57 |
| tgBot | <Xorpad> on my private gitlab i'm working on a 2.7 python -> arm elf binary compiler | 00:57 |
| ubports_bot | Project ota-push-rc build #2: ABORTED in 8 min 16 sec: http://ci.ubports.com/job/ota-push-rc/2/ | 00:58 |
| tgBot | <Xorpad> which could make it's way into this project depending how devoted I get to it | 00:58 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> But 2.7 though. :( | 00:58 |
| tgBot | <Xorpad> app programming in python would make building up an app market's selection faster and more contributiors | 00:58 |
| tgBot | <Xorpad> Dalton: 2.7 is stable, there will be no changes to the way it works | 00:59 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> Yeah | 00:59 |
| tgBot | <Xorpad> 3.x is changing | 00:59 |
| tgBot | <Xorpad> it's not got a stable API | 00:59 |
| tgBot | <Xorpad> also, I defeated the GIL:P | 00:59 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> Luckily the most fun parts of 3 also work in 2 | 01:00 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> Except the bytes to unicode thing that I fail to understand 90% of the time | 01:00 |
| tgBot | <Xorpad> I prefer 2.7 personally. but 3 has some cool stuff in it | 01:00 |
| tgBot | <Xorpad> like f strings | 01:00 |
| tgBot | <Xorpad> I really don't see a reason to adopt 3, it's slower because everything is more abstracted | 01:01 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> oh wait we're off topic | 01:01 |
| tgBot | <Xorpad> move to OT? | 01:01 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> yup | 01:01 |
| ubports_bot | Yippee, build fixed! | 01:32 |
| ubports_bot | Project ota-push-rc build #3: FIXED in 5 min 36 sec: http://ci.ubports.com/job/ota-push-rc/3/ | 01:32 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> Ya did it @mariogrip | 01:32 |
| tgBot | <nfsprodriver> Exciting things are happening 🤔 | 01:35 |
| tgBot | <mariogrip> @UniversalSuperBox, YAY :D | 01:37 |
| tgBot | <mariogrip> @nfsprodriver, Rc weekly promotion | 01:37 |
| tgBot | <mariogrip> it works, now i can go to bed | 01:38 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> The true reward | 01:38 |
| tgBot | <mariogrip> Yes! :D | 01:38 |
| tgBot | <nfsprodriver> Ah, okay. Just to mention (don't know why) my last hammerhead update had about 230MB. | 01:38 |
| tgBot | <mariogrip> devel? | 01:39 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> Deltas are weird | 01:39 |
| tgBot | <nfsprodriver> (I updated recently to latest daily build before) | 01:39 |
| tgBot | <nfsprodriver> Yes. | 01:39 |
| tgBot | <mariogrip> Yeah, im aware for that, i need to add a check for changes to the android trings, since now it build them daily and since android is in a image the delta will just check the image file if that's different, and if it is, it will replace the whole file | 01:40 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> (hint: it's always different) | 01:41 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> I don't think Android is reproducible | 01:41 |
| tgBot | <mariogrip> so 4 days of detas is 55mb * 4 ish | 01:41 |
| tgBot | <mariogrip> but since android is so big, i need to find a smart way to check for differences | 01:42 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> git? | 01:42 |
| tgBot | <mariogrip> yeah, but they are split across 100+ repos | 01:42 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> `repo foreach`? | 01:43 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> Maybe it could do something | 01:43 |
| tgBot | <mariogrip> yeah, but how can i compeare that to yesterdays build | 01:43 |
| tgBot | <mariogrip> could push all logs into a file, then next day to the same to another file and do a diff those two | 01:44 |
| tgBot | <mariogrip> anyway, bedtime :) | 01:44 |
| tgBot | <samzn> (Photo, 800x628) https://irc.ubports.com/17HHcPac/file_1001.jpg | 03:24 |
| tgBot | <samzn> lets try this again | 03:24 |
| tgBot | <tsimonq2> @samzn, Is that Qt or GTK? | 03:28 |
| tgBot | <samzn> Electron :( | 03:28 |
| tgBot | <tsimonq2> Ah k | 03:29 |
| tgBot | <tsimonq2> Not as bad as GTK | 03:29 |
| tgBot | <Xorpad> Okay. I'm ready to work on something finally | 04:01 |
| tgBot | <Xorpad> is there any reason updating one of my new bullheads to oreo to check it out would mess with my ability to use ubport on it? | 04:15 |
| tgBot | <Xorpad> like does anything oreo OTA updates does to the phone mess things up? | 04:15 |
| tgBot | <Xorpad> does it have maybe like an incompatible bootloader or mess with hidden partitons ubports relies on? | 04:16 |
| tgBot | Rumen Tsvetkov was added by: Rumen Tsvetkov | 04:28 |
| tgBot | <Ern_st> @Xorpad Might me better question on Halium group. | 04:32 |
| tgBot | <Ern_st> hello Rumen | 04:32 |
| xorpad | sure @Ern_st | 04:32 |
| tgBot | <Rumen Tsvetkov> Hi all, can you tell me how to install ubports ubuntu touch on nexus 5 with multirom? | 04:33 |
| tgBot | <samzn> Multirom isnt supported | 04:33 |
| tgBot | <samzn> You can try efidroid | 04:33 |
| xorpad | reviving and improving multirom is on the list of projects I plan to work on realted to this project | 04:36 |
| xorpad | I already have the sources downloaded | 04:36 |
| tgBot | <Rumen Tsvetkov> is efidroid support nexus5? | 04:36 |
| xorpad | but I haven't done much work on them yet | 04:36 |
| xorpad | multirom supports nexus 5, but you need to do some hackish things to get ubports to work with it, I have an idea of how you could but I haven't tried doing it, it's just a got theoretical solution | 04:37 |
| tgBot | <Rumen Tsvetkov> ok, thanks. | 04:37 |
| xorpad | I hope to get multirom working on all the nexus and pixel devices in the near future | 04:38 |
| xorpad | I have most fo them already | 04:38 |
| tgBot | <samzn> Efidroid is likely more future proof | 04:39 |
| tgBot | <samzn> But any solution is welcome | 04:39 |
| xorpad | samzn: but I like supporting EOL devices | 04:40 |
| tgBot | <samzn> Ya | 04:41 |
| xorpad | Like, I don't think phones should stop getting support for much longer than the market gives them now | 04:41 |
| tgBot | <samzn> Efidroid should keep stable with any future paradigm shifts that might happen in the community | 04:42 |
| xorpad | I'm also considering making my own bootloader to replace androids, and repartitoning one of my nexus 5's to have a more linux-like setup | 04:42 |
| tgBot | <samzn> While multirom needs constant maintenance | 04:42 |
| tgBot | <samzn> Would be dope if you manage to make your own aboot | 04:43 |
| xorpad | Well, i know how to make it, I just haven't done it yet | 04:43 |
| xorpad | bootloader for an arm system is the simplest thing I can think of doing that is realted to os dev | 04:43 |
| xorpad | unlike x86 bootloaders | 04:44 |
| xorpad | which are hard to make without using hackish tricks to bypass limitations imposed by the system | 04:44 |
| tgBot | <samzn> It's all ring 0 | 04:45 |
| xorpad | yeah, and I've made my own multi-boot bootloader for my old raspberry pi to load my toy kernel | 04:45 |
| xorpad | arm devices just boot the first data on the main storage device | 04:46 |
| xorpad | unless they are uboot enabled | 04:46 |
| xorpad | the reason I am not already doing it or done doing it, is because if I mess up I brick the device in question | 04:46 |
| tgBot | <samzn> If you have skill in bootloader development you should really contact @morpheus______ on twitter | 04:47 |
| xorpad | why? | 04:47 |
| tgBot | <samzn> He's working alongside a team to finish the missing parts of the recently released XNU kernel on ARM | 04:48 |
| xorpad | I see | 04:48 |
| tgBot | <samzn> Seems like the perfect chance to land a nice job at any tech firm with that in your portfolio | 04:49 |
| xorpad | well, i've already got more plans for stuff to do for ubports than I can handle | 04:49 |
| xorpad | Like, there's already dozens of things I want to do soon, and hundreds of things I'd like to do eventually | 04:50 |
| tgBot | <samzn> I know exactly how it is | 04:50 |
| tgBot | <samzn> Shame I'm overcumbered with work from university already | 04:50 |
| xorpad | Like, while I was on the bus today, I was working on an algorithm to use dictionary based error prediction on the keyboad so we can make it more compact while not decreasing usability | 04:51 |
| xorpad | I've not got it completely worked out, but it's half way there in terms of logic/pseudo code | 04:51 |
| xorpad | with this, the keyboard could be made much smaller while still being easy to type accurately | 04:52 |
| xorpad | by detecting how far from the key you pressed and the possibilities for which word you are trying to type | 04:52 |
| xorpad | And maybe I'll add a feature where it learns a persons typing mistakes and tendencies to improve accuracy and correction over time with use | 04:55 |
| xorpad | But I just don't like how bulky the current keyboard is, and it's easy to typo because there's nothing to improve accuracy | 04:55 |
| xorpad | okay enough chatting, time to get to work | 04:56 |
| tgBot | <twinkybot> @Flohack The dots on a translation. Should they be like this in german: [...] gespeichert … … or [...] gespeichert... which is closer to the original and not a special char. | 06:26 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> @twinkybot, Erm. Hu can you send me a link? I always put them without a blank TBH | 06:37 |
| tgBot | <twinkybot> @Flohack they are scattered all over. One example is messaging app - 105 ../src/qml/ComposeBar.qml:424 | 06:53 |
| tgBot | <vanyasem> @Flohack anything new with Telegram? when Supergroups will be supported? :P | 06:54 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> @vanyasem, I have only 10 toes to step on ;) | 06:55 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> @twinkybot, Well just judge by yourself, we do not have real guidelines for that. Or discuss it in the Localization forum =) | 06:55 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> @vanyasem, Im a bit stuck now since the upgrade to Supergroups needs database changes, and an in-place db upgrader. I need to do this carefully to not break every devices db | 06:56 |
| tgBot | <twinkybot> @Flohack okay. Was doing anyways. Just wanted to be sure. | 06:56 |
| tgBot | <twinkybot> :) | 06:56 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> :P | 06:56 |
| tgBot | <twinkybot> Just didn't want to be presumptuous | 06:58 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> Nono you are part of the community, so you can shape it, too ^^ | 06:58 |
| ubports_bot | Project click-import build #16: SUCCESS in 4.5 sec: http://ci.ubports.com/job/click-import/16/ | 07:01 |
| ubports_bot | Project vivid-rootfs-armhf build #151: SUCCESS in 11 sec: http://ci.ubports.com/job/vivid-rootfs-armhf/151/ | 07:01 |
| ubports_bot | Project ota-push build #1121: SUCCESS in 1 sec: http://ci.ubports.com/job/ota-push/1121/ | 07:01 |
| tgBot | <Davy> Hello everybody. I have a brief question. I heard, that one can choose between stable, RC und dev somewhere in the systemsettings. Where do I do that? | 07:55 |
| xorpad | You can chose after updating from the initial install to the next version, it will add the option to chose an update channel | 07:56 |
| xorpad | and then you can update to the latest images of that channel once you are able to select it | 07:56 |
| tgBot | <Davy> Ah alright. So it is an option at the next systemupdate. dont have to care about that for now. | 07:57 |
| xorpad | Yes, unless you flashing using a tool that lets you select a channel to do your initial install from | 07:57 |
| xorpad | like magic-device-tool, has the options to flash channels other than legacy, but they are commented out in all the scritps so you have to uncomment them | 07:58 |
| tgBot | <Davy> ok, thank you very much! | 07:58 |
| tgBot | <M D> Good morning everyone. I have a few questions | 08:00 |
| tgBot | <Xorpad> M how are you and what is the questions? | 08:01 |
| tgBot | <M D> First i want to know if there is any workaround for Tune In. And second, I am a bit stupid but with the Telegram app I am not seeing the UBports group online | 08:02 |
| tgBot | <M D> Good good thanks. Ready to go to work | 08:02 |
| tgBot | <Xorpad> is the group different from this chat? I don't really know telegram other than that I installed it and got invited here | 08:03 |
| tgBot | <M D> I have two groups in my telegram. None of them are showing in my N5 with telegram (I am now in another phone) | 08:04 |
| tgBot | <M D> And there is not search in UBports yet I think | 08:05 |
| tgBot | <M D> If I try to join from the web using the telegram group link does nothing | 08:06 |
| tgBot | <Xorpad> I use telegram on pc and android, i don't have it on touch | 08:12 |
| tgBot | <Xorpad> Touch I use for testing and playing around mostly | 08:14 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> @M D, They are supergroups. Sadly we are still not supporting them in UT | 08:14 |
| tgBot | <kristijantkalec> Thanks for the rc7 | 08:19 |
| tgBot | <M D> Thank you Florian :) . I appreciate your answer | 08:19 |
| tgBot | <kristijantkalec> Is there a change log? | 08:19 |
| tgBot | <M D> One last last before I go. uNav is not working very well for me here in the CZ. Any plans to have the location services working in the browser? | 08:21 |
| tgBot | <M D> (With google maps is not working for me) | 08:21 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> Location service should work in the browser, just it takes ages to initialize sometimes | 08:22 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> @kristijantkalec, Changelog for rc? no sorry | 08:22 |
| tgBot | <Xorpad> is there a change log for devel and stable? | 08:23 |
| tgBot | <M D> Thank you I will keep trying. Have a great day everyone. | 08:23 |
| tgBot | <Xorpad> they seem like they should have one more than RC should | 08:23 |
| ubports_bot | Project daily-fp2 build #360: SUCCESS in 13 min: http://ci.ubports.com/job/daily-fp2/360/ | 08:23 |
| tgBot | <Xorpad> devel so devs know what's changes, stable so users do | 08:23 |
| ubports_bot | Project ota-push build #1122: SUCCESS in 1 min 18 sec: http://ci.ubports.com/job/ota-push/1122/ | 08:25 |
| tgBot | <kristijantkalec> @Flohack, Ok. Thanks for the answer. Can I see the progress somewhere? Github? | 08:27 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> OTA-3 will be tracked here: https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/milestone/6 | 08:28 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> Look then for the closed items coming up ;) | 08:28 |
| xorpad | hi, is there a way to build twrp without an android build tree? | 08:31 |
| tgBot | <Stereofont> @Davy, OTA2 so the current version, rather than the next. The option is hidden away at the bottom, maybe to deter users who probably should stick with stable 😃 | 09:24 |
| tgBot | <Stereofont> @M D, It is a supergroup and those are not supported in the UBports app. You can see it in the web version though | 09:25 |
| === allizom1 is now known as allizom | ||
| tgBot | <Guido> I've just tried to start an X app in a libertine container, however, the OSK is not opening. The OSK works with Libreoffice and Thunderbird but it doesn't open when starting iPython Qtconsole. Do you have a workaround for this issue? | 11:13 |
| tgBot | <KrisJacewicz> @Guido, i think i lnow why, but cant test it now | 11:23 |
| tgBot | <KrisJacewicz> u see libertine normally is used for gtk apps and osk integration is provided by maliit packages for gtk3 and gtk2 | 11:24 |
| tgBot | <KrisJacewicz> but you are using qt | 11:24 |
| tgBot | <KrisJacewicz> so u need to add maliit package for the qt and for the version u use | 11:24 |
| tgBot | <KrisJacewicz> phone itself (Mir) uses modified version 5 of QT | 11:25 |
| tgBot | <KrisJacewicz> for example for gtk if u wanted to run app on the phone directly not in Libertine, you would need to install these: … sudo apt-get -q -y install maliit-inputcontext-gtk3 maliit-inputcontext-gtk2 | 11:29 |
| tgBot | <KrisJacewicz> ypur app is in libertine and uses qt so tey finding maliit package that suits it | 11:30 |
| tgBot | <KrisJacewicz> maliit-inputcontext-qt4 or something | 11:30 |
| tgBot | <KrisJacewicz> just search and see what is available | 11:30 |
| tgBot | <KrisJacewicz> sudo apt-cache search maliit-inputcontext-* | 11:31 |
| tgBot | <Gartral> @KrisJacewicz, You don't need sudo for a cache search | 11:31 |
| tgBot | <KrisJacewicz> true! | 11:32 |
| === allizom1 is now known as allizom | ||
| tgBot | <Milan Korecky> (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/I3Kb0AZY/file_1003.jpg | 11:41 |
| tgBot | <Milan Korecky> To ser supergroup install web telegram | 11:41 |
| tgBot | <Guido> Ah, thanks for all the hints. I will try to install a qt version of maliit. If this does not work, there is also the option of a gtk console of ipyhton, I guess. | 11:43 |
| tgBot | <KrisJacewicz> @Guido, that should worknout of the box. also u canninstall python in the phone directly not in Libertine or any other container and use qt there. | 11:49 |
| tgBot | <KrisJacewicz> just check if u hv enough free space on your / partition | 11:49 |
| tgBot | <KrisJacewicz> and finally let is know how things turned out | 11:50 |
| tgBot | <KrisJacewicz> *us | 11:50 |
| tgBot | <Guido> Sure, I'll do. | 11:50 |
| tgBot | <Guido> @KrisJacewicz, OK. I've tried to install maliit-inputcontext-qt4. This didn't work, i.e., there is still no OSK. It seems that the qtconsole of ipython is using qt5!? I'll try to install directly on the phone now. I still need Xmir for that, right? | 12:33 |
| tgBot | <KrisJacewicz> @Guido, actually no because you are not going to use gtk widgetset with it right? | 12:41 |
| tgBot | <KrisJacewicz> python is a non-GUI program so yoi dont need anything, but u want to create gui front so phone running Mir has qt | 12:42 |
| tgBot | <KrisJacewicz> you wont be able to install gtk and run it on Mir | 12:42 |
| tgBot | <KrisJacewicz> Xmir will allow you to do that | 12:42 |
| tgBot | <KrisJacewicz> IF you use gtk with your python | 12:42 |
| tgBot | <KrisJacewicz> so depends on your choice: gtk+xmir or qt an mir | 12:43 |
| tgBot | <KrisJacewicz> at least in theory | 12:43 |
| tgBot | <Guido> No, I think the GUI uses not gtk widgetset but qt. So, it should work without Xmir. | 12:43 |
| tgBot | <KrisJacewicz> also if you do end up using gtk with your python instead of qt then it can also work in Libertine | 12:43 |
| tgBot | <KrisJacewicz> also last problem with qt: UT uses slightly modified qt linbraries, hopefully python's qt bindings will work | 12:44 |
| tgBot | <Guido> But if I launch it directly on the phone, it requests an X server. | 12:45 |
| tgBot | <KrisJacewicz> but why? | 12:45 |
| tgBot | <KrisJacewicz> are you using xorg specific api?? | 12:45 |
| tgBot | <KrisJacewicz> usually whennu are making gui app you just link it against specific widgetset not xorg or whatever | 12:46 |
| tgBot | <KrisJacewicz> unless you specifically and on purpose do | 12:46 |
| tgBot | <KrisJacewicz> then gtk has no Mir bindings (some beta works have been done) | 12:46 |
| tgBot | <KrisJacewicz> so of your app uses gtk then u use xmir because it provides the bindings | 12:46 |
| tgBot | <KrisJacewicz> if u ise qt that Mir has you dont need no xmir | 12:47 |
| tgBot | <Guido> I'm using the standard qtconsole extension of ipython available in the distros. | 12:47 |
| tgBot | <KrisJacewicz> also xmir on UT has gtk but i dont think it has qt | 12:47 |
| tgBot | <KrisJacewicz> i am still on the image from when Canonical still supported UT amd xmir does not have qt libraries | 12:47 |
| tgBot | <KrisJacewicz> only gtk | 12:48 |
| tgBot | <Guido> I don't know what api they are using but I guess xorg. | 12:48 |
| tgBot | <KrisJacewicz> @Guido, if you only use gtk api then u dont care about xorg | 12:48 |
| tgBot | <KrisJacewicz> api links to widgetset layer | 12:48 |
| tgBot | <KrisJacewicz> and it then handles it via xorg or other | 12:48 |
| tgBot | <Guido> To make things clearer, I've installed ipython-qtconsole using apt install on the phone (after making the image writable). | 12:48 |
| tgBot | <KrisJacewicz> depending what is provided | 12:48 |
| tgBot | <KrisJacewicz> unless u specifically call pure xorg api not widgetset api | 12:49 |
| tgBot | <KrisJacewicz> ipython-qtconsole, do you know which qt version it links to? | 12:49 |
| tgBot | <KrisJacewicz> try without xmir first | 12:49 |
| tgBot | <KrisJacewicz> then if it doeant work means it is not compatible qt version | 12:50 |
| tgBot | <KrisJacewicz> then u can try luck with xmir but i doubt it has qt bindings on the phone | 12:50 |
| tgBot | <KrisJacewicz> even in Libertine it does not, you need to install it manually | 12:50 |
| tgBot | <Guido> Actually, I don't know. I guessed qt5. | 12:50 |
| tgBot | <KrisJacewicz> I mean on my version of Libertine at least it was the case | 12:50 |
| tgBot | <Guido> When I launch ipyhton with the option qtconsole on the phone it reads ": cannot connect to X server". | 12:51 |
| tgBot | <Guido> Okay. | 12:51 |
| tgBot | <KrisJacewicz> ok then that is the answer UT device qt is not compatible with python bindings | 12:52 |
| tgBot | <KrisJacewicz> u can try xmir but likely it does not hv qt either | 12:53 |
| tgBot | <KrisJacewicz> and finally the saddest part: IF you get qt on xmir matching version and your app starts, guess what | 12:53 |
| tgBot | <KrisJacewicz> still need maliit context for that version of qt ;) | 12:54 |
| tgBot | <Guido> No, keyboard! | 12:54 |
| tgBot | <KrisJacewicz> sorry but that is how these thingsnwork | 12:54 |
| tgBot | <KrisJacewicz> personally i feel this is all very intereating but i think try finding maliit bindings matching your qt on linertine | 12:55 |
| tgBot | <KrisJacewicz> or try using gtk instead | 12:55 |
| ubports_bot | Project daily-mako build #135: SUCCESS in 12 min: http://ci.ubports.com/job/daily-mako/135/ | 12:55 |
| tgBot | <Guido> Sure, anyway, thanks for your help. I've seen that there is some gtkconsole solution for ipython. I guess that this is the way to go. | 12:55 |
| ubports_bot | Project ota-push build #1123: SUCCESS in 1.5 sec: http://ci.ubports.com/job/ota-push/1123/ | 12:55 |
| tgBot | <KrisJacewicz> erd option is a lot of workarounding and wizardry ;) | 12:56 |
| tgBot | <KrisJacewicz> i really hope u figure the things out | 12:56 |
| tgBot | <KrisJacewicz> and if u hv any problems with gtk msg me because i program all my gui apps in gtk and i run them directly on the phone with xmir | 12:57 |
| tgBot | <Guido> Okay, I'll do that. Thanks again. | 12:58 |
| tgBot | <bhushanshah> @UniversalSuperBox around? | 13:06 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> @bhushanshah, At work | 13:07 |
| tgBot | <bhushanshah> hm okay.. no problem | 13:07 |
| tgBot | <Ern_st> Does podbird works for you ? | 14:01 |
| tgBot | <Crash_Burn> Funny... was just testing it out right now. Little annoyed that I can't keep it playing while I swipe over to another app. Otherwise I'm listening to UBPorts podcast. | 14:02 |
| tgBot | <Crash_Burn> wow... total devices at 10569! Amazing! | 14:10 |
| xorpad | 10569 devices doing what now? | 14:10 |
| xorpad | installed with ubports? | 14:10 |
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| tgBot | <Crash_Burn> iOS is great, but not what I want, Android is out of the question... people are hungry for another option. You are the future UBPorts! | 14:11 |
| tgBot | <Crash_Burn> yes, stats.ubports.com | 14:12 |
| tgBot | <bastos777> @Crash_Burn, +1 | 14:14 |
| tgBot | <Ern_st> @Crash_Burn, worst case you can stop the suspend in background with tweak tool | 14:16 |
| tgBot | <M D> @Milan Korecky, Thank you sir! | 14:46 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> You needed me, @bhushanshah ? | 14:55 |
| tgBot | <Xorpad> @Crash_Burn, iOS is crippled by apples restrictions on how you use your device | 15:03 |
| tgBot | <Xorpad> If I buy a device it shouldn't be locked down so I'm stuck with whatever they push out | 15:04 |
| tgBot | <Lorxu> @Xorpad, Move to Europe | 15:04 |
| tgBot | <Xorpad> Lol I wish | 15:04 |
| tgBot | <Xorpad> I'd love to if it was an option | 15:05 |
| tgBot | <Xorpad> France maybe | 15:05 |
| tgBot | <Lorxu> Eww not France | 15:06 |
| tgBot | <wayneoutthere> @UniversalSuperBox, there's only one thing left to do..... … GIT!! | 15:09 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> @mariogrip should be able to do the following in each repo (with `repo foreach`) to check if any files have changed in Android: … `git remote update` to bring your remote refs up to date. … `git status -uno` will tell you whether the branch you are tracking is ahead, behind or has diverged. If it says nothing, the local and remote are the same. … Alternatively, `git remote update -v` tells you which branches have been updated in the re | 15:11 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> Created using the StackOverflow keyboard and https://stackoverflow.com/questions/2514270/how-to-check-for-changes-on-remote-origin-git-repository | 15:11 |
| tgBot | <wayneoutthere> @Crash_Burn, it's not a podcast. it's an AUDIOCAST! | 15:42 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> What's the difference | 15:42 |
| tgBot | <Crash_Burn> Oh no! Sorry Wayne... just been listening to you for like the past hour. Its a great "Audiocast"! No how do I get you out of my head.... | 15:43 |
| tgBot | <Lorxu> @Crash_Burn, There's one easy way but it'd get everything out of your head forever | 15:45 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> :( | 15:45 |
| tgBot | <Crash_Burn> Yikes... soft reboot... SOFT reboot | 15:45 |
| tgBot | <Lorxu> I think that's called sleep, could work too for some | 15:46 |
| xorpad | What is newer, device_hammerhead_devel, or device_hammerhead_xenial ? | 15:57 |
| tgBot | <wayneoutthere> Stop the press! The very latest from the Ubuntu Touch News Desk! … https://soundcloud.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch-news-desk-171006 | 16:02 |
| tgBot | <wayneoutthere> @Crash_Burn, fighting is futile | 16:10 |
| tgBot | <Crash_Burn> omg... Wayne and Joe in a speedo... that should be a fundraiser! UBPorts could raise a ton of money! You are onto something Wayne. | 16:10 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> ^^ | 16:15 |
| tgBot | <Lorxu> I didn't even manage to listen to the one before yet | 16:18 |
| tgBot | <wayneoutthere> @Lorxu, shock and awe. | 16:28 |
| tgBot | Daniele Giacosa was added by: Daniele Giacosa | 16:36 |
| tgBot | <vanyasem> @Daniele Giacosa, welcome | 16:38 |
| tgBot | <Christof> love the news desk audio casts :) | 16:42 |
| tgBot | <wayneoutthere> @Christof, thanks for the feedback. Please send news of any kind to me on the side in case I miss it | 16:49 |
| tgBot | <Daniele Giacosa> Hi guys!!! I'm new in this group and i want to buy an ubuntu phone... But all site i look say that is off limits... So, where should i have to look to find it?!?! | 17:08 |
| tgBot | <wayneoutthere> what exactly is off limits? | 17:09 |
| tgBot | <wayneoutthere> can you put a link here? | 17:09 |
| tgBot | <Daniele Giacosa> It means unavailable... | 17:15 |
| tgBot | <wayneoutthere> Oh, so you mean, you are looking for a certain device but it's not here? … https://ubports.com/page/get-ubuntu-touch | 17:21 |
| tgBot | <wayneoutthere> I"m not the smartest kid in school so yo uhave to be patient | 17:21 |
| tgBot | <Crash_Burn> ?wha? You got skills Wayne.. don't see yourself short. | 17:23 |
| tgBot | <wayneoutthere> @Crash_Burn, for tech stuff I'm short ;) but if I had time I would be programming right now | 17:23 |
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| tgBot | <Crash_Burn> https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/65 This seems strange.. I have this problem on my N5 but others do not. What gives? Is there maybe a big difference between D820 and D821 N5? I'm in the US with a D820 but I think everyone else is using a D821? | 17:51 |
| tgBot | <Crash_Burn> I've solved this by pressing the button and then swiping the screen. That has been working well for me. | 17:53 |
| xorpad | ahh, compiling gcc for arm on an arm dev board... this is gonna take forever | 17:56 |
| xorpad | Like, I think it will take at least 10-15 hours to bootstrap | 17:56 |
| xorpad | but if I do it on one of my powerful boxes I have to cross-compile so I can't bootstrap | 17:56 |
| xorpad | and if I try to emuate it, qemu thows a fit | 17:57 |
| xorpad | I can't use my zen boxes to build anything lol | 17:57 |
| xorpad | 2 very expensive computers, and i'm using a 900mhz quad core arm | 17:57 |
| * xorpad suffers the slow agonizing wait to see if this compiles | 17:58 | |
| xorpad | I achieved nothing since I woke up... Like I did a lot of stuff that to prepare for various tasks so it saves time in the future, but I feel like I wasted the day | 17:59 |
| tgBot | <Stereofont> @Daniele Giacosa, You will not be able to buy an Ubuntu phone. None are available with it installed. What you can do is to buy a used phone of one of the models on the list and install Ubuntu Touch yourself | 18:07 |
| xorpad | we'll get there @Stereofont | 18:07 |
| xorpad | One day phones will ship with ubports touch | 18:07 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> @xorpad, Ubuntu Touch ^^ | 18:08 |
| xorpad | Yes that:D | 18:08 |
| xorpad | Whatever it's called it'll be a hit and take over the market | 18:08 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> hehe | 18:19 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> Basically preinstallation is no goal at the moment, right, but making flashing easier will be a goal. So we think we will talk with various vendors to get support for quicker porting and testing, which will bring in more recent devices. No details on that right now, but its a mission goal :) | 18:20 |
| xorpad | Flohack, before we can get brought to market, we need a solid stable API for app devleopment that we can release to developers to build up the app market | 18:28 |
| xorpad | Symbian OS was awesome but it failed because it had almost no apps available | 18:28 |
| xorpad | By having people use and develop for ubuntu touch now, hopefully we'll have a good app market in 6 or 8 years and be mature enough to be adopted by manufacturers | 18:29 |
| tgBot | <harishsays> https://uxdesign.cc/re-designing-the-smartphone-dial-pad-2df226ec620f | 18:36 |
| tgBot | <samzn> oh wow, I didn't knew there was a html5 standalone whatsapp client for ubuntu touch | 18:46 |
| tgBot | <samzn> I have like 3 people who won't migrate over to telegram but they're key people | 18:46 |
| tgBot | <samzn> I guess I might use ubports daily :) | 18:46 |
| tgBot | <neothethird> @samzn, I hate to be a party pooper, but loquiIM is very unstable. It works in some cases, but it's far from being a solution to the problem. | 18:48 |
| tgBot | <neothethird> Don't get me wrong, it's great that it's there and the devs have done amazing work, but it's definitely not as snappy as whatsapp on other plattforms | 18:49 |
| tgBot | <samzn> https://media.giphy.com/media/26BkOdMrz4TW2STOo/giphy.gif | 18:49 |
| tgBot | <Ern_st> @way | 18:49 |
| tgBot | <Ern_st> @wayneoutthere My alarm clock is working on my Nexus 5, daily, but not on my dev phone Nexus 4 ;) | 18:50 |
| tgBot | <samzn> I had an issue yesterday that I've noticed my phone was boiling hot while charging | 18:51 |
| tgBot | <samzn> I can't reproduce what caused that, but I suspect it might be something running on the background | 18:51 |
| tgBot | <popescu_sorin> @harishsays, haha yeah, it's a nice sane idea | 18:52 |
| tgBot | <wayneoutthere> @xorpad, we had a similar naming problem over at the audiocast but now we are "Ubuntu Touch Audiocast" | 18:53 |
| xorpad | I see | 18:54 |
| tgBot | <popescu_sorin> (Photo, 1280x450) https://irc.ubports.com/Lb7BW8Cv/file_1005.jpg | 18:54 |
| xorpad | Okay, as long as I can still contribute code I don't care about the name | 18:54 |
| tgBot | <popescu_sorin> (Photo, 1280x1121) https://irc.ubports.com/KTAe06P8/file_1007.jpg | 18:54 |
| tgBot | <wayneoutthere> @Ern_st, wow! didn't know that. Must be N4 fail | 18:54 |
| tgBot | <popescu_sorin> @harishsays the general idea is to make it easier to use on a big screen with one hand | 18:55 |
| xorpad | I'm getting my nexus 4 back from my friend tomorrow | 18:55 |
| xorpad | so i can work on that branch too | 18:55 |
| tgBot | <wayneoutthere> @xorpad, bring on the code! Bring on the apps. | 18:55 |
| xorpad | It's coming... i spent all day today preparing things... Like I'm set uo to build in tree, I have MultiROM touched up a bit and ready to test out, I am compiling gcc 7.2 for armv7, bootstapping it which requires an armv7 chip so you can imagine how slow that is... | 18:58 |
| tgBot | <PhoenixLandPirate> @popescu_sorin, Half of that I'm into, I prefer the sliders on the left, I do like the circles on the bottom, but I dont like that they're circles, I think the circle's don't fit with the Ubuntu Phone Athestetic, but I like how they're on/of buttons then switches, they use a logo, etc | 18:58 |
| xorpad | I built a few test builds of ubuntu touch builds to try out the build system | 18:58 |
| xorpad | Been a busy but overall unproductive day, but tomorrow I'll be prepared to work on all the stuff I set up today | 18:59 |
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| tgBot | <popescu_sorin> @PhoenixLandPirate, yeah, it doesn't really matter that they are circle or square, the placement on the screen is important, i think apple has vertical sliders on iPhone? | 19:01 |
| tgBot | <popescu_sorin> (Photo, 800x707) https://irc.ubports.com/qXn11Dyg/file_1009.jpg | 19:01 |
| xorpad | Cool UI | 19:02 |
| xorpad | is that a Unity 8 theme? | 19:02 |
| tgBot | <popescu_sorin> iOS 11 | 19:02 |
| tgBot | <PhoenixLandPirate> @popescu_sorin, That's an overload | 19:02 |
| xorpad | ewwww iOS | 19:02 |
| tgBot | <popescu_sorin> X-) | 19:02 |
| tgBot | <popescu_sorin> @PhoenixLandPirate, indeed | 19:03 |
| xorpad | we need to reverse engineer iOS and get ubuntu touch working on iPhones | 19:03 |
| tgBot | <popescu_sorin> um... no? | 19:03 |
| xorpad | lol some guy just said I'm an idiot for compiling AOSP from source thinking I'm better than the engineers at google | 19:04 |
| xorpad | obvious has no idea about compiling things or the android build process or... well anything to do with his statement | 19:04 |
| tgBot | <ValkMeister> The ubuntu touch top bar has some indicators that most of the time is just wasting space | 19:04 |
| xorpad | [14:57] <TheRabbit> or maybe just stick with Factory images for Nexus/Pixel line instead of thinking your smarter then Google Engineers and compiling your own | 19:04 |
| xorpad | lulz, moron | 19:05 |
| xorpad | I use newer compilers than android is meant to be built with and get amaizng performacne boosts... and AOSP is so much slimmer while still doing everything i need... Like i never respected the guy, but now I disrepect him | 19:06 |
| tgBot | <popescu_sorin> @ValkMeister, yep, lots of indicators with only one option | 19:07 |
| tgBot | <ValkMeister> Yep, rotation-indicator xD | 19:07 |
| tgBot | <popescu_sorin> keyboard layout | 19:07 |
| tgBot | <popescu_sorin> location, although it also has settings | 19:08 |
| tgBot | <popescu_sorin> bluetooth | 19:08 |
| tgBot | <ValkMeister> (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/jqCCwjGM/file_1011.jpg | 19:10 |
| tgBot | <ValkMeister> Even with some of them, stil weird. Perhaps some transparency ? | 19:11 |
| tgBot | <ValkMeister> without* | 19:11 |
| tgBot | <Daniele Giacosa> @Stereofont, Ok, thanks... | 19:16 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> @popescu_sorin, LOL can you please make it react on shaking the phone and then select a design randomly 😆 | 19:16 |
| tgBot | <popescu_sorin> @Flohack, that's not my design, it's from that article posted before. i would just replace the dialer with maybe a contact list because 99.99% i don't use it. maybe when you launch the dialer app you should see a list contacts list and maybe the freq called numbers in an easily reachable place and the whole dialer just a button somewhere in the UI | 19:19 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> Anyway, it needs shaking ^^ | 19:20 |
| tgBot | <popescu_sorin> yeah :D | 19:21 |
| tgBot | <popescu_sorin> talking about UX | 19:21 |
| tgBot | <popescu_sorin> i'm actually using Recent (bottom menu) for calls | 19:22 |
| tgBot | <popescu_sorin> like in the old times | 19:22 |
| tgBot | <popescu_sorin> contacts is hard to reach... and then i have to search | 19:23 |
| tgBot | <popescu_sorin> the dialer is just taking pointless pace | 19:23 |
| tgBot | <popescu_sorin> doing nothing | 19:23 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> @popescu_sorin By the way did you notice that the core Apps´ lower swipe indicator is not standardized? I think we should do this one day | 19:23 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> some have a different style and size | 19:23 |
| tgBot | <popescu_sorin> yeah. finger painting app has a nice bottom menu | 19:24 |
| tgBot | <popescu_sorin> (Photo, 768x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/ME21eQdY/file_1013.jpg | 19:25 |
| tgBot | <popescu_sorin> not sure who's making this app but he's a native UXer :)) | 19:26 |
| tgBot | <popescu_sorin> would be nice to make some fake apps to test some UX ideas | 19:27 |
| tgBot | <popescu_sorin> fake dialer01 | 19:27 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> If you know how to do that, let me know? | 19:29 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> @popescu_sorin, nonono. Shake Dialer 😆 | 19:35 |
| tgBot | <popescu_sorin> @UniversalSuperBox, k :D | 19:35 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> @wayneoutthere we have a new idea, core apps that when shaked are changing their behaviour | 19:35 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> Like superenergetic cocktails ^^ | 19:36 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> hmm Cocktail API? LOL | 19:36 |
| tgBot | <samzn> @popescu_sorin, It clashes hardly with the current style | 19:38 |
| tgBot | <popescu_sorin> yeah | 19:41 |
| tgBot | <popescu_sorin> (Photo, 174x310) https://irc.ubports.com/0H6eEgHW/file_1015.jpg | 19:42 |
| tgBot | <popescu_sorin> something like this would work for me, i think (as a dialer app) | 19:42 |
| tgBot | <PhoenixLandPirate> @popescu_sorin, I'm not a fan of that look | 19:42 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> @popescu_sorin, Hmm but thats not so hard to do, lets add a switcher for different views like in gallery, and then you can switch back & forth | 19:43 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> except ofc it needs to follow our style guide. and the style of the contacts app ^^ | 19:43 |
| tgBot | <popescu_sorin> yep, i'm only thinking about the UX, just ignore the graphics | 19:44 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> kk | 19:44 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> We could add a minigame like Asteroids ^^ | 19:45 |
| tgBot | <popescu_sorin> the idea is to just get rid of the dialer and replace it with a contact list | 19:45 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> Where the contacts are coming from top and moving, and you need to shoot the one that you want to call 😆 | 19:45 |
| tgBot | <popescu_sorin> no! | 19:45 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> You're undermining him @Flohack ! | 19:45 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> sry Im quiet 😆 | 19:45 |
| tgBot | <samzn> We had made a pretty cool prototype for our dialer app in nemo | 19:46 |
| tgBot | <samzn> (Photo, 1280x758) https://irc.ubports.com/bXmZzNhB/file_1017.jpg | 19:47 |
| tgBot | <popescu_sorin> this is a bit better than the current one, with a screen split between a dialer and the recent calls? | 19:49 |
| tgBot | <popescu_sorin> i just say to get rid of the dialer because it's just taking space and you actually not use it that often | 19:49 |
| tgBot | <popescu_sorin> or at least in my case | 19:49 |
| tgBot | <popescu_sorin> we can put a "dial" button somewhere for the rare case you actually need to dial a number | 19:50 |
| tgBot | <giovanniiannotti> Beautiful! | 19:50 |
| tgBot | <giovanniiannotti> Hi guys, | 19:50 |
| tgBot | <popescu_sorin> so.. a speed dial of sorts on the first screen instead of a dialer.. don't know | 19:51 |
| tgBot | <popescu_sorin> and no asteroids | 19:51 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> You mean, like in Android? | 19:51 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> :P | 19:51 |
| tgBot | <giovanniiannotti> I have used ubports installer for my Bq M10 FHD. It apparently didn"t work. The tablet won"t boot. I have the "Ubuntu powered" eternaly. Any clues? | 19:52 |
| tgBot | <popescu_sorin> i like the back button on android ❤️ | 19:52 |
| tgBot | <Frank Fricke> @giovanniiannotti, The boot time is very long because of a bug, you see the "Ubuntu powered" logo for maybe 3-4 min but then it works | 19:57 |
| tgBot | <giovanniiannotti> Well, it's been there for almost 10! But if it is 'normal' under the bug, I will wait. | 19:58 |
| tgBot | <Frank Fricke> ok, the first boot after the installion takes a very long time...in my case maybe 10min | 20:00 |
| tgBot | <giovanniiannotti> Thanks | 20:00 |
| tgBot | <popescu_sorin> (Photo, 1280x800) https://irc.ubports.com/uBsvQQM8/file_1019.jpg | 20:17 |
| tgBot | <sverzegnassi> @Flohack, That's because some app has been designed before UITK 1.3. Calculator app still uses the bottom edge component from UITK 1.1, for instance. … Other UITK 1.3 apps uses the upstream component, but still some app forces the desktop behavior of the BottomEdge (the one w/ the hint lable) for several reasons. | 20:17 |
| tgBot | <sverzegnassi> Bottom edge is just a bad idea for convergent apps, imho ^^ | 20:17 |
| tgBot | <popescu_sorin> something like this, instead of the dialer pad (left), maybe a fast dialer/favs and the whole dialer just a button | 20:17 |
| tgBot | <popescu_sorin> @sverzegnassi, it is, indeed | 20:18 |
| tgBot | <popescu_sorin> even on the phone i don't really like to use the bottom edge :D | 20:19 |
| tgBot | <Stereofont> @giovanniiannotti, There were some issues with full cache, so nowhere for the img to go. Maybe flash did not complete | 20:23 |
| tgBot | <popescu_sorin> (Photo, 1280x800) https://irc.ubports.com/U7VOU24a/file_1021.jpg | 20:30 |
| tgBot | <popescu_sorin> @sverzegnassi i would rather have something like this (with a botton nav like the open store) | 20:31 |
| tgBot | <popescu_sorin> instead of a useless dialer and a bottom action | 20:31 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> Its true I use the keypad sometimes, but mostly I have to search for contacts or take them out of the recent list | 20:32 |
| tgBot | <giovanniiannotti> @Stereofont, It's been more then 30 min now. All the same. What should I do? | 20:32 |
| tgBot | <giovanniiannotti> Thanks | 20:33 |
| tgBot | <popescu_sorin> @Flohack, yep | 20:33 |
| tgBot | <popescu_sorin> that's what UX is all about, get drunk, have a bear in one hand and try to call your wife | 20:34 |
| tgBot | <giovanniiannotti> @popescu_sorin, I'm triyng. Still didn't call my wife. | 20:35 |
| tgBot | <popescu_sorin> beer | 20:35 |
| tgBot | <popescu_sorin> @giovanniiannotti, not drunk enough | 20:35 |
| tgBot | <giovanniiannotti> (Photo, 640x480) https://irc.ubports.com/NRnjUr1x/file_1023.jpg indeed | 20:37 |
| tgBot | <wayneoutthere> @Flohack, what about the smash gesture? | 20:39 |
| tgBot | <Flohack> OhI forgot this one | 20:39 |
| tgBot | <popescu_sorin> @giovanniiannotti, cheers :D | 20:40 |
| tgBot | <giovanniiannotti> cheers | 20:40 |
| tgBot | <popescu_sorin> @sverzegnassi OMG the bottom menu works great! bottom on the phone, left or top on tablet, desktop (or something) | 20:41 |
| tgBot | <sverzegnassi> @popescu_sorin, Yep, I think that's the way to go in the lack of Material FABs 🙂 | 20:41 |
| tgBot | <popescu_sorin> (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/5Td4VnSo/file_1024.webp | 20:41 |
| ubports_bot | Project daily-bacon build #292: SUCCESS in 11 min: http://ci.ubports.com/job/daily-bacon/292/ | 21:02 |
| tgBot | <Stereofont> @giovanniiannotti, You can get the splash screen if only part flashes. Probably you have not succeeded in installing. Did you come from Android? | 21:03 |
| ubports_bot | Project ota-push build #1124: SUCCESS in 1 min 6 sec: http://ci.ubports.com/job/ota-push/1124/ | 21:03 |
| tgBot | <Jaume81> Mr. Popescu Sorin, you have to change the video's name from Ubuntu phone/tablet to Ubuntu Touch on your Youtube channel. Good work. | 21:38 |
| tgBot | <Jaume81> 😉 | 21:38 |
| tgBot | <popescu_sorin> @Jaume81, the "touch" branding never made sense to me because the idea was to have a convergent OS, phone, tablet, desktop. touch is just one of many inputs, like mouse, keyboard, voice etc.. that's why i didn't want that in the title. also please don't call me Mr :P i'm just a random nobody. also Popescu Sorin is just a place holder username like John Doe :> not my real name | 21:49 |
| tgBot | <vanyasem> @neothethird are you there? | 21:49 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> Nu >:( | 21:50 |
| tgBot | <vanyasem> i want him to review my pr :O | 21:50 |
| tgBot | <M D> I just realize the existence of the post "hammerhead power button 3 times.:." In github. I didn't know it was a bug due to automatic brightness | 21:52 |
| tgBot | <M D> It was pissing me off lol | 21:52 |
| tgBot | <wayneoutthere> @popescu_sorin, Mr. P. Shall we therefore call you RN (Random Nobody) or Mr. D. John Doe? | 21:55 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> Well, it's better than calling it UBport. | 21:56 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> Or, like.... PirateOS. Weird things happen when you ask a distributed community for ideas. | 21:57 |
| tgBot | <wayneoutthere> ha. until it converges, Ubuntu Touch makes sense because it's mainly touching | 22:00 |
| tgBot | <Stereofont> TransformerOS | 22:06 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> It's a decepticon! | 22:06 |
| tgBot | <wayneoutthere> @Stereofont, i like.... | 22:07 |
| tgBot | <wayneoutthere> MetamorphOS | 22:07 |
| tgBot | <Stereofont> @wayneoutthere, Trademarked 🙁 | 22:07 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> @wayneoutthere, How do you even pronounce than | 22:08 |
| tgBot | <vanyasem> meta four oh ass | 22:08 |
| tgBot | <wayneoutthere> metamorph-Oh-ESS | 22:08 |
| tgBot | <vanyasem> ugh i misspelled that lol | 22:09 |
| tgBot | <wayneoutthere> I'm gonn metamorph ur OS | 22:09 |
| tgBot | <vanyasem> isn't that off-topic | 22:09 |
| tgBot | <Stereofont> I met a morph once | 22:09 |
| tgBot | <wayneoutthere> yes. sue me | 22:09 |
| tgBot | <vanyasem> maybe we should move to an off-top chat: @ubports_ot | 22:09 |
| tgBot | <vanyasem> (i'm here to promote the chat, not to blame you lol) | 22:10 |
| tgBot | <wayneoutthere> crazy. i just joined. it's real. and it's OT! | 22:11 |
| tgBot | <wayneoutthere> gif central. | 22:11 |
| tgBot | <wayneoutthere> (iwa sjust promoting it for you) | 22:11 |
| tgBot | <vanyasem> is that going to an audiocast at some point? :P | 22:11 |
| tgBot | <Russ B> Has anyone hit a kernel panic on mako right after EXT4 mounts mmcblk0p23 or loop0? | 22:21 |
| tgBot | <popescu_sorin> @UniversalSuperBox, right, UBports = Ubuntu ports? not sure what is a good naming, it's still mostly Ubuntu... and if 16.04 will use snaps is even more current Ubuntu :P but yeah UBports doesn't make a lot of sence now considering canonical droping unity8 | 22:22 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> That name stays for the foundation. | 22:22 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> It'd be a pain to change it. | 22:22 |
| tgBot | <Ern_st> @Russ B, Nothing that i've spotted. How did you realize this ? | 22:23 |
| tgBot | <Russ B> Trying to build halium based on los 14.1 for mako... I know this isn't a halium group per se but I figured kernel panic is generic enough problem :) | 22:24 |
| tgBot | <mariogrip> @Ern_st, Been working daily also with my oneplus one, no problems whats so ever | 22:24 |
| tgBot | <Ern_st> You see @wayneoutthere :) if you are interested i can find the bug report i've createf on launchpad @mariogrip | 22:25 |
| tgBot | <wayneoutthere> sure | 22:26 |
| tgBot | <Ern_st> @mariogrip @wayneoutthere : https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1588526 | 22:29 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1588526 in Canonical System Image "[mako] Alarm doesn't ring when screen locked" [High,In progress] | 22:29 |
| tgBot | ferry_toth was added by: ferry_toth | 22:29 |
| tgBot | <vanyasem> @ubot5, oh hey ubot | 22:29 |
| tgBot | <vanyasem> @ferry_toth, welcome | 22:29 |
| tgBot | <mariogrip> @ubot5, @popeydc I think one of your bots has escaped :) It does not matter since it's usefull, so for me it can stay, but just letting you know | 22:32 |
| popey | how did ubot5 get in here!? | 22:33 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> They merged #ubuntu-touch with #ubports | 22:33 |
| popey | we did that weeks ago | 22:33 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> I guess ubot though it was nice | 22:33 |
| tgBot | <mariogrip> @popey, I guess it has a mind of it's own | 22:35 |
| tgBot | <ferry_toth> @Xorpad @UniversalSuperBox I had a look at the apt sources and they are coming from UT vivid repository: http://ports.ubuntu.com/dists/vivid/, … Overlay: https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/stable-phone-overlay | 22:37 |
| tgBot | <ferry_toth> So, they are just from ubuntu's regular vivid armhf repository, but updated from the overlay ppa | 22:38 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> Yeah | 22:38 |
| tgBot | <ferry_toth> I made / rw and did update, no updates found. But installed aptitude just fine | 22:39 |
| tgBot | <ferry_toth> To me that sound like for MX4 (or other devices that don't expect regular OTA's) that creating a ppa with newer packages should be a fairly simple way to stay up to date. | 22:40 |
| tgBot | <ferry_toth> I'm thinking just for subsystems, like bluez | 22:41 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> The mx4 can get ota's | 22:41 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> By putting the ubports image on it | 22:41 |
| tgBot | <ferry_toth> And will it? | 22:42 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> Yes | 22:42 |
| tgBot | <ferry_toth> Would that mean newer packages then vivid? Bluez is now at 5.41 (from the overlay). What would the OTA provide? | 22:43 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> Or if you want to possibly break something and absolutely not get support, https://launchpad.net/~ubports-developers/+archive/ubuntu/overlay | 22:43 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> And that's the newest we have. | 22:44 |
| tgBot | <ferry_toth> Ah. But this overlay has no bluez for vivid. So which would you have installed on MX4? | 22:45 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> Nothing new. | 22:46 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> And I don't think we can make kernel patches to those phones either. | 22:46 |
| xorpad | we can make kernel patches for any device | 22:47 |
| xorpad | drivers are a different story | 22:47 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> But will it flash and work correctly | 22:48 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> I don't know if the Ubuntu Editions have locked bootloaders or silly signing | 22:48 |
| xorpad | if we have a tool to extract the drives from official ROMs | 22:48 |
| xorpad | *drivers | 22:48 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> Also the released kernel sources are not up to date, or for the Ubuntu Editions. | 22:48 |
| xorpad | if we don't have a way to get the driver blobs, it won't be functional | 22:48 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> And there's no available device tree | 22:48 |
| tgBot | <ferry_toth> Vivid repo has 4.101, UT overlay has 5.41. If UB overlay has nothing does that mean you use 4.101? | 22:48 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> Nope., | 22:49 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> It's our overlay stacked over the ut overlay stacked over Vivid | 22:49 |
| xorpad | honestly, kernel stuff is not a huge issue | 22:49 |
| xorpad | it's drivers that are | 22:49 |
| xorpad | because we don't have the hardware documentation for those parts in order to make drivers | 22:50 |
| tgBot | <ferry_toth> Ah. That is exactly what I was thinking to do. BTW why would you need to update the kernel. It is working fine as it is no? | 22:50 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> Blueborne is a driver bug, too | 22:50 |
| xorpad | @fery_toth the kernels(plural) need a lot of work before they are awesome | 22:50 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> Boy, I must be getting tired. Blueborne is a kernel bug, too | 22:51 |
| tgBot | <ferry_toth> Yes, but I am not too unhappy with my phone as is. Just the bluetooth, grrr | 22:51 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> Dunno if an update to bluez would magically fix that | 22:52 |
| xorpad | @fery_toth wouldn't you prefer longer battery life and increased performance if you had the option? | 22:52 |
| xorpad | and different governers for SoC | 22:52 |
| tgBot | <ferry_toth> Depends on what I loose by installing UB | 22:53 |
| tgBot | <UniversalSuperBox> I have not heard a single complaint about losing something | 22:53 |
| tgBot | <ferry_toth> Bluetooth _seems_ to be working fine. But with earlier OTA's I had tethering over bt from my (kubuntu) laptop. That broke later and was never fixed. | 22:54 |
| tgBot | <ferry_toth> And in my car never had music playback, or handfree callin | 22:54 |
| tgBot | <ferry_toth> (that is with the official UT OTA's) | 22:55 |
| tgBot | <ferry_toth> So I would really like to make some progress in that direction. Don't hink that is a kernel or UI problem | 22:56 |
| tgBot | <ferry_toth> hink = think 😊 | 22:56 |
| tgBot | <ferry_toth> So either bugs / regressions in bluez or in the confiuration | 23:00 |
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