[00:01] <tgBot> Shivam Dubey was added by: Shivam Dubey
 @Shivam Dubey, Big welcome to you, Shivam.
[00:05] <tgBot> <Shivam Dubey> @wayneoutthere, Thanks
 @Schyken, yes. she knows she is bad.  knowing is half the battle.
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[00:36] <tgBot> <Russ B> QQ: Does "legacy" mean the device isn't going to get the 16.04 update? Specifically the N4
 yes
 That's what it means
[00:37] <tgBot> <Russ B> 👍
 @UniversalSuperBox, 👎
[00:38] <tgBot> <Russ B> It's been a long while since I've been in here... Is the OPO 100% or does it still have some issues with bluetooth and camera? I think those were the sticking points... I can't remember...
 Camera works, but Bluetooth has issues across the board. Any specific issue you were thinking of?
[00:39] <tgBot> <Russ B> And yeah I saw it's marked 100% on the website but I also remember there was some discussion about that...
[00:40] <tgBot> <Russ B> Nothing specific, just trying to decide which device to pick up if I were to replace my N4. I suppose that's my question.
[00:40] <tgBot> <Russ B> N5 seems to be very popular
 The Nexus 5 has HDMI out so you can do convergence without the annoyance of Miracast
[00:41] <xorpad> N5 is very popular, because it's a great phone comapred to newer phones at the same price
 @Russ B, N6P even more popular. ;_;
[00:41] <tgBot> <Russ B> I had an n6p. Didn't care for it. Not great battery and bent in my pocket. Twice.
[00:42] <tgBot> <Russ B> But anywho, of the core devices Fairphone isn't really in my scope, so it was between the OPO and N5
 @Russ B, Wew. *_*
[00:42] <tgBot> <Russ B> Since I know asking "what's the best xxx" is just flame bait
[00:42] <xorpad> Like N5 used to be a very expensive phone but google subsidized it, so it was always $200, despite having specs of a $600 phone. the price hasn't dropped much because it still competes with $200 phones in most ways
 But still, $200 is expensive in India. ;_;
 @Zephoro, I want indian prices :(
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 @wayneoutthere, ;_;
 You tried, ubports_bot.
 Lol.
 @UniversalSuperBox Where should I start with working on bullhead?
 @UniversalSuperBox you were the one working on it right?
 At one point. There's a Halium build now.
 I can't test it because I need my 5X.
 Oh, so I should start with their build?
 Yes, but see these bugs... digs
 bugs are just excuses to have more fun:D
[00:50] <jcjordyn120> t
 u
 https://github.com/Halium/projectmanagement/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=is%3Aissue%20is%3Aopen%20bullhead
 if it weren't for bugs programming would be fast and easy
 @Xorpad, True.
 and if it was easy I wouldn't enjoy it
 the reason I do the stuff I do is because it's hard and forces me to adapt and grow
 What's your Github?
 it's almost empty, because I have private stuff on gitlab, but my nick on github is zerorax, so I think it's github.com/zerorax
 It's mostly stuff I don't care if people steal... All my stuff I want to use in my portfolio stays private
 I wish I used github starting long ago, so that I wouldn't have lost my whole portfolio through a series of stupid mistakes
 If i didn't lose all my code, i'd have 3 OS's, 2 competed and one a work in progress, and i'd have a c compiler
 along with tons of random stuff I did as learning projects
 I should make another C compiler... the world needs more C compilers(j/k)
 Nah, needs faster Python interpreters though. :P
 on my private gitlab i'm working on a 2.7 python -> arm elf binary compiler
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 which could make it's way into this project depending how devoted I get to it
 But 2.7 though. :(
 app programming in python would make building up an app market's selection faster and more contributiors
 Dalton: 2.7 is stable, there will be no changes to the way it works
 Yeah
 3.x is changing
 it's not got a stable API
 also, I defeated the GIL:P
 Luckily the most fun parts of 3 also work in 2
 Except the bytes to unicode thing that I fail to understand 90% of the time
 I prefer 2.7 personally. but 3 has some cool stuff in it
 like f strings
 I really don't see a reason to adopt 3, it's slower because everything is more abstracted
 oh wait we're off topic
 move to OT?
 yup
[01:32] <ubports_bot> Yippee, build fixed!
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 Ya did it @mariogrip
 Exciting things are happening 🤔
 @UniversalSuperBox, YAY :D
 @nfsprodriver, Rc weekly promotion
 it works, now i can go to bed
 The true reward
 Yes! :D
 Ah, okay. Just to mention (don't know why) my last hammerhead update had about 230MB.
 devel?
 Deltas are weird
 (I updated recently to latest daily build before)
 Yes.
 Yeah, im aware for that, i need to add a check for changes to the android trings, since now it build them daily and since android is in a image the delta will just check the image file if that's different, and if it is, it will replace the whole file
 (hint: it's always different)
 I don't think Android is reproducible
 so 4 days of detas is 55mb * 4 ish
 but since android is so big, i need to find a smart way to check for differences
 git?
 yeah, but they are split across 100+ repos
 `repo foreach`?
 Maybe it could do something
 yeah, but how can i compeare that to yesterdays build
 could push all logs into a file, then next day to the same to another file and do a diff those two
 anyway, bedtime :)
 (Photo, 800x628) https://irc.ubports.com/17HHcPac/file_1001.jpg
 lets try this again
 @samzn, Is that Qt or GTK?
 Electron :(
 Ah k
 Not as bad as GTK
 Okay. I'm ready to work on something finally
 is there any reason updating one of my new bullheads to oreo to check it out would mess with my ability to use ubport on it?
 like does anything oreo OTA updates does to the phone mess things up?
 does it have maybe like an incompatible bootloader or mess with hidden partitons ubports relies on?
[04:28] <tgBot> Rumen Tsvetkov was added by: Rumen Tsvetkov
 @Xorpad Might me better question on Halium group.
 hello Rumen
[04:32] <xorpad> sure @Ern_st
[04:33] <tgBot> <Rumen Tsvetkov> Hi all, can you tell me how to install ubports ubuntu touch on nexus 5 with multirom?
 Multirom isnt supported
 You can try efidroid
[04:36] <xorpad> reviving and improving multirom is on the list of projects I plan to work on realted to this project
[04:36] <xorpad> I already have the sources downloaded
[04:36] <tgBot> <Rumen Tsvetkov> is efidroid support nexus5?
[04:36] <xorpad> but I haven't done much work on them yet
[04:37] <xorpad> multirom supports nexus 5, but you need to do some hackish things to get ubports to work with it, I have an idea of how you could but I haven't tried doing it, it's just a got theoretical solution
[04:37] <tgBot> <Rumen Tsvetkov> ok, thanks.
[04:38] <xorpad> I hope to get multirom working on all the nexus and pixel devices in the near future
[04:38] <xorpad> I have most fo them already
 Efidroid is likely more future proof
 But any solution is welcome
[04:40] <xorpad> samzn: but I like supporting EOL devices
 Ya
[04:41] <xorpad> Like, I don't think phones should stop getting support for much longer than the market gives them now
 Efidroid should keep stable with any future paradigm shifts that might happen in the community
[04:42] <xorpad> I'm also considering making my own bootloader to replace androids, and repartitoning one of my nexus 5's to have a more linux-like setup
 While multirom needs constant maintenance
 Would be dope if you manage to make your own aboot
[04:43] <xorpad> Well, i know how to make it, I just haven't done it yet
[04:43] <xorpad> bootloader for an arm system is the simplest thing I can think of doing that is realted to os dev
[04:44] <xorpad> unlike x86 bootloaders
[04:44] <xorpad> which are hard to make without using hackish tricks to bypass limitations imposed by the system
 It's all ring 0
[04:45] <xorpad> yeah, and I've made my own multi-boot bootloader for my old raspberry pi to load my toy kernel
[04:46] <xorpad> arm devices just boot the first data on the main storage device
[04:46] <xorpad> unless they are uboot enabled
[04:46] <xorpad> the reason I am not already doing it or done doing it, is because if I mess up I brick the device in question
 If you have skill in bootloader development you should really contact @morpheus______ on twitter
[04:47] <xorpad> why?
 He's working alongside a team to finish the missing parts of the recently released XNU kernel on ARM
[04:48] <xorpad> I see
 Seems like the perfect chance to land a nice job at any tech firm with that in your portfolio
[04:49] <xorpad> well, i've already got more plans for stuff to do for ubports than I can handle
[04:50] <xorpad> Like, there's already dozens of things I want to do soon, and hundreds of things I'd like to do eventually
 I know exactly how it is
 Shame I'm overcumbered with work from university already
[04:51] <xorpad> Like, while I was on the bus today, I was working on an algorithm to use dictionary based error prediction on the keyboad so we can make it more compact while not decreasing usability
[04:51] <xorpad> I've not got it completely worked out, but it's half way there in terms of logic/pseudo code
[04:52] <xorpad> with this, the keyboard could be made much smaller while still being easy to type accurately
[04:52] <xorpad> by detecting how far from the key you pressed and the possibilities for which word you are trying to type
[04:55] <xorpad> And maybe I'll add a feature where it learns a persons typing mistakes and tendencies to improve accuracy and correction over time with use
[04:55] <xorpad> But I just don't like how bulky the current keyboard is, and it's easy to typo because there's nothing to improve accuracy
[04:56] <xorpad> okay enough chatting, time to get to work
 @Flohack The dots on  a translation. Should they be like this in german: [...] gespeichert … … or [...] gespeichert... which is closer to the original and not a special char.
 @twinkybot, Erm. Hu can you send me a link? I always put them without a blank TBH
 @Flohack they are scattered all over. One example is messaging app - 105  ../src/qml/ComposeBar.qml:424
 @Flohack anything new with Telegram? when Supergroups will be supported? :P
 @vanyasem, I have only 10 toes to step on ;)
 @twinkybot, Well just judge by yourself, we do not have real guidelines for that. Or discuss it in the Localization forum =)
 @vanyasem, Im a bit stuck now since the upgrade to Supergroups needs database changes, and an in-place db upgrader. I need to do this carefully to not break every devices db
 @Flohack okay. Was doing anyways. Just wanted to be sure.
 :)
 :P
 Just didn't want to be presumptuous
 Nono you are part of the community, so you can shape it, too ^^
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 Hello everybody. I have a brief question. I heard, that one can choose between stable, RC und dev somewhere in the systemsettings. Where do I do that?
[07:56] <xorpad> You can chose after updating from the initial install to the next version, it will add the option to chose an update channel
[07:56] <xorpad> and then you can update to the latest images of that channel once you are able to select it
 Ah alright. So it is an option at the next systemupdate. dont have to care about that for now.
[07:57] <xorpad> Yes, unless you flashing using a tool that lets you select a channel to do your initial install from
[07:58] <xorpad> like magic-device-tool, has the options to flash channels other than legacy, but they are commented out in all the scritps so you have to uncomment them
 ok, thank you very much!
[08:00] <tgBot> <M D> Good morning everyone. I have a few questions
 M how are you and what is the questions?
[08:02] <tgBot> <M D> First i want to know if there is any workaround for Tune In. And second, I am a bit stupid but with the Telegram app I am not seeing the UBports group online
[08:02] <tgBot> <M D> Good good thanks. Ready to go to work
 is the group different from this chat? I don't really know telegram other than that I installed it and got invited here
[08:04] <tgBot> <M D> I have two groups in my telegram. None of them are showing in my N5 with telegram (I am now in another phone)
[08:05] <tgBot> <M D> And there is not search in UBports yet I think
[08:06] <tgBot> <M D> If I try to join from the web using the telegram group link does nothing
 I use telegram on pc and android, i don't have it on touch
 Touch I use for testing and playing around mostly
 @M D, They are supergroups. Sadly we are still not supporting them in UT
 Thanks for the rc7
[08:19] <tgBot> <M D> Thank you Florian :) . I appreciate your answer
 Is there a change log?
[08:21] <tgBot> <M D> One last last before I go. uNav is not working very well for me here in the CZ. Any plans to have the location services working in the browser?
[08:21] <tgBot> <M D> (With google maps is not working for me)
 Location service should work in the browser, just it takes ages to initialize sometimes
 @kristijantkalec, Changelog for rc? no sorry
 is there a change log for devel and stable?
[08:23] <tgBot> <M D> Thank you I will keep trying. Have a great day everyone.
 they seem like they should have one more than RC should
[08:23] <ubports_bot> Project daily-fp2 build #360: SUCCESS in 13 min: http://ci.ubports.com/job/daily-fp2/360/
 devel so devs know what's changes, stable so users do
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 @Flohack, Ok. Thanks for the answer. Can I see the progress somewhere? Github?
 OTA-3 will be tracked here: https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/milestone/6
 Look then for the closed items coming up ;)
[08:31] <xorpad> hi, is there a way to build twrp without an android build tree?
 @Davy, OTA2 so the current version, rather than the next. The option is hidden away at the bottom, maybe to deter users who probably should stick with stable 😃
 @M D, It is a supergroup and those are not supported in the UBports app. You can see it in the web version though
 I've just tried to start an X app in a libertine container, however, the OSK is not opening. The OSK works with Libreoffice and Thunderbird but it doesn't open when starting iPython Qtconsole. Do you have a workaround for this issue?
 @Guido, i think i lnow why, but cant test it now
 u see libertine normally is used for gtk apps and osk integration is provided by maliit packages for gtk3 and gtk2
 but you are using qt
 so u need to add maliit package for the qt and for the version u use
 phone itself (Mir) uses modified  version 5 of QT
 for example for gtk if u wanted to run app on the phone directly not in Libertine, you would need to install these: … sudo apt-get -q -y install maliit-inputcontext-gtk3 maliit-inputcontext-gtk2 
 ypur app is in libertine and uses qt so tey finding maliit package that suits it
 maliit-inputcontext-qt4 or something
 just search and see what is available
 sudo apt-cache search maliit-inputcontext-*
 @KrisJacewicz, You don't need sudo for a cache search
 true!
[11:41] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/I3Kb0AZY/file_1003.jpg
[11:41] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> To ser supergroup install web telegram
 Ah, thanks for all the hints. I will try to install a qt version of maliit. If this does not work, there is also the option of a gtk console of ipyhton, I guess.
 @Guido, that should worknout of the box. also u canninstall python in the phone directly not in Libertine or any other container and use qt there.
 just check if u hv enough free space on your / partition
 and finally let is know how things turned out
 *us
 Sure, I'll do.
 @KrisJacewicz, OK. I've tried to install maliit-inputcontext-qt4. This didn't work, i.e., there is still no OSK. It seems that the qtconsole of ipython is using qt5!? I'll try to install directly on the phone now. I still need Xmir for that, right?
 @Guido, actually no because you are not going to use gtk widgetset with it right?
 python is a non-GUI program so yoi dont need anything, but u want to create gui front so phone running Mir has qt
 you wont be able to install gtk and run it on Mir
 Xmir will allow you to do that
 IF you use gtk with your python
 so depends on your choice: gtk+xmir or qt an mir
 at least in theory
 No, I think the GUI uses not gtk widgetset but qt. So, it should work without Xmir.
 also if you do end up using gtk with your python instead of qt then it can also work in Libertine
 also last problem with qt: UT uses slightly modified qt linbraries, hopefully python's qt bindings will work
 But if I launch it directly on the phone, it requests an X server.
 but why?
 are you using xorg specific api??
 usually whennu are making gui app you just link it against specific widgetset not xorg or whatever
 unless you specifically and on purpose do
 then gtk has no Mir bindings (some beta works have been done)
 so of your app uses gtk then u use xmir because it provides the bindings
 if u ise qt that Mir has you dont need no xmir
 I'm using the standard qtconsole extension of ipython available in the distros.
 also xmir on UT has gtk but i dont think it has qt
 i am still on the image from when Canonical still supported UT amd xmir does not have qt libraries
 only gtk
 I don't know what api they are using but I guess xorg.
 @Guido, if you only use gtk api then u dont care about xorg
 api links to widgetset layer
 and it then handles it via xorg or other
 To make things clearer, I've installed ipython-qtconsole using apt install on the phone (after making the image writable).
 depending what is provided
 unless u specifically call pure xorg api not widgetset api
 ipython-qtconsole, do you know which qt version it links to?
 try without xmir first
 then if it doeant work means it is not compatible qt version
 then u can try luck with xmir but i doubt it has qt bindings on the phone
 even in Libertine it does not, you need to install it manually
 Actually, I don't know. I guessed qt5.
 I mean on my version of Libertine at least it was the case
 When I launch ipyhton with the option qtconsole on the phone it reads ": cannot connect to X server".
 Okay.
 ok then that is the answer UT device qt is not compatible with python bindings
 u can try xmir but likely it does not hv qt either
 and finally the saddest part: IF you get qt on xmir matching version and your app starts, guess what
 still need maliit context for that version of qt ;)
 No, keyboard!
 sorry but that is how these thingsnwork
 personally i feel this is all very intereating but i think try finding maliit bindings matching your qt on linertine
 or try using gtk instead
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 Sure, anyway, thanks for your help. I've seen that there is some gtkconsole solution for ipython. I guess that this is the way to go.
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 erd option is a lot of workarounding and wizardry ;)
 i really hope u figure the things out
 and if u hv any problems with gtk msg me because i program all my gui apps in gtk and i run them directly on the phone with xmir
 Okay, I'll do that. Thanks again.
 @UniversalSuperBox around?
 @bhushanshah, At work
 hm okay.. no problem
 Does podbird works for you ?
 Funny... was just testing it out right now.  Little annoyed that I can't keep it playing while I swipe over to another app.  Otherwise I'm listening to UBPorts podcast.
 wow... total devices at 10569!  Amazing!
[14:10] <xorpad> 10569 devices doing what now?
[14:10] <xorpad> installed with ubports?
 iOS is great, but not what I want, Android is out of the question... people are hungry for another option.  You are the future UBPorts!
 yes, stats.ubports.com
 @Crash_Burn, +1
 @Crash_Burn, worst case you can stop the suspend in background with tweak tool
[14:46] <tgBot> <M D> @Milan Korecky, Thank you sir!
 You needed me, @bhushanshah ?
 @Crash_Burn, iOS is crippled by apples restrictions on how you use your device
 If I buy a device it shouldn't be locked down so I'm stuck with whatever they push out
 @Xorpad, Move to Europe
 Lol I wish
 I'd love to if it was an option
 France maybe
 Eww not France
 @UniversalSuperBox, there's only one thing left to do.....  … GIT!!
 @mariogrip should be able to do the following in each repo (with `repo foreach`) to check if any files have changed in Android: … `git remote update` to bring your remote refs up to date. … `git status -uno` will tell you whether the branch you are tracking is ahead, behind or has diverged. If it says nothing, the local and remote are the same. … Alternatively, `git remote update -v` tells you which branches have been updated in the re
 Created using the StackOverflow keyboard and https://stackoverflow.com/questions/2514270/how-to-check-for-changes-on-remote-origin-git-repository
 @Crash_Burn, it's not a podcast. it's an AUDIOCAST!
 What's the difference
 Oh no!  Sorry Wayne... just been listening to you for like the past hour.  Its a great "Audiocast"!  No how do I get you out of my head....
 @Crash_Burn, There's one easy way but it'd get everything out of your head forever
 :(
 Yikes... soft reboot... SOFT reboot
 I think that's called sleep, could work too for some
[15:57] <xorpad> What is newer, device_hammerhead_devel, or device_hammerhead_xenial ?
 Stop the press!   The very latest from the Ubuntu Touch News Desk! … https://soundcloud.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch-news-desk-171006
 @Crash_Burn, fighting is futile
 omg... Wayne and Joe in a speedo... that should be a fundraiser!  UBPorts could raise a ton of money!  You are onto something Wayne.
 ^^
 I didn't even manage to listen to the one before yet
 @Lorxu, shock and awe.
[16:36] <tgBot> Daniele Giacosa was added by: Daniele Giacosa
 @Daniele Giacosa, welcome
 love the news desk audio casts :)
 @Christof, thanks for the feedback.  Please send news of any kind to me on the side in case I miss it
[17:08] <tgBot> <Daniele Giacosa> Hi guys!!! I'm new in this group and i want to buy an ubuntu phone... But all site i look say that is off limits... So, where should i have to look to find it?!?!
 what exactly is off limits?
 can you put a link here?
[17:15] <tgBot> <Daniele Giacosa> It means unavailable...
 Oh, so you mean, you are looking for a certain device but it's not here? … https://ubports.com/page/get-ubuntu-touch
 I"m not the smartest kid in school so yo uhave to be patient
 ?wha?  You got skills Wayne.. don't see yourself short.
 @Crash_Burn, for tech stuff I'm short ;)  but if I had time I would be programming right now
 https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/65 This seems strange.. I have this problem on my N5 but others do not.  What gives?  Is there maybe a big difference between D820 and D821 N5?  I'm in the US with a D820 but I think everyone else is using a D821?
 I've solved this by pressing the button and then swiping the screen.  That has been working well for me.
[17:56] <xorpad> ahh, compiling gcc for arm on an arm dev board... this is gonna take forever
[17:56] <xorpad> Like, I think it will take at least 10-15 hours to bootstrap
[17:56] <xorpad> but if I do it on one of my powerful boxes I have to cross-compile so I can't bootstrap
[17:57] <xorpad> and if I try to emuate it, qemu thows a fit
[17:57] <xorpad> I can't use my zen boxes to build anything lol
[17:57] <xorpad> 2 very expensive computers, and i'm using a 900mhz quad core arm
[17:58]  * xorpad suffers the slow agonizing wait to see if this compiles
[17:59] <xorpad> I achieved nothing since I woke up... Like I did a lot of stuff that to prepare for various tasks so it saves time in the future, but I feel like I wasted the day
 @Daniele Giacosa, You will not be able to buy an Ubuntu phone. None are available with it installed. What you can do is to buy a used phone of one of the models on the list and install Ubuntu Touch yourself
[18:07] <xorpad> we'll get there @Stereofont
[18:07] <xorpad> One day phones will ship with ubports touch
 @xorpad, Ubuntu Touch ^^
[18:08] <xorpad> Yes that:D
[18:08] <xorpad> Whatever it's called it'll be a hit and take over the market
 hehe
 Basically preinstallation is no goal at the moment, right, but making flashing easier will be a goal. So we think we will talk with various vendors to get support for quicker porting and testing, which will bring in more recent devices. No details on that right now, but its a mission goal :)
[18:28] <xorpad> Flohack, before we can get brought to market, we need a solid stable API for app devleopment that we can release to developers to build up the app market
[18:28] <xorpad> Symbian OS was awesome but it failed because it had almost no apps available
[18:29] <xorpad> By having people use and develop for ubuntu touch now, hopefully we'll have a good app market in 6 or 8 years and be mature enough to be adopted by manufacturers
 https://uxdesign.cc/re-designing-the-smartphone-dial-pad-2df226ec620f
 oh wow, I didn't knew there was a html5 standalone whatsapp client for ubuntu touch
 I have like 3 people who won't migrate over to telegram but they're key people
 I guess I might use ubports daily :)
 @samzn, I hate to be a party pooper, but loquiIM is very unstable. It works in some cases, but it's far from being a solution to the problem.
 Don't get me wrong, it's great that it's there and the devs have done amazing work, but it's definitely not as snappy as whatsapp on other plattforms
 https://media.giphy.com/media/26BkOdMrz4TW2STOo/giphy.gif
 @way
 @wayneoutthere My alarm clock is working on my Nexus 5, daily, but not on my dev phone Nexus 4 ;)
 I had an issue yesterday that I've noticed my phone was boiling hot while charging
 I can't reproduce what caused that, but I suspect it might be something running on the background
 @harishsays, haha yeah, it's a nice sane idea
 @xorpad, we had a similar naming problem over at the audiocast but now we are "Ubuntu Touch Audiocast"
[18:54] <xorpad> I see
 (Photo, 1280x450) https://irc.ubports.com/Lb7BW8Cv/file_1005.jpg
[18:54] <xorpad> Okay, as long as I can still contribute code I don't care about the name
 (Photo, 1280x1121) https://irc.ubports.com/KTAe06P8/file_1007.jpg
 @Ern_st, wow! didn't know that.  Must be N4 fail
 @harishsays the general idea is to make it easier to use on a big screen with one hand
[18:55] <xorpad> I'm getting my nexus 4 back from my friend tomorrow
[18:55] <xorpad> so i can work on that branch too
 @xorpad, bring on the code!  Bring on the apps.
[18:58] <xorpad> It's coming... i spent all day today preparing things... Like I'm set uo to build in tree, I have MultiROM touched up a bit and ready to test out, I am compiling gcc 7.2 for armv7, bootstapping it which requires an armv7 chip so you can imagine how slow that is...
 @popescu_sorin, Half of that I'm into, I prefer the sliders on the left, I do like the circles on the bottom, but I dont like that they're circles, I think the circle's don't fit with the Ubuntu Phone Athestetic, but I like how they're on/of buttons then switches, they use a logo, etc
[18:58] <xorpad> I built a few test builds of ubuntu touch builds to try out the build system
[18:59] <xorpad> Been a busy but overall unproductive day, but tomorrow I'll be prepared to work on all the stuff I set up today
 @PhoenixLandPirate, yeah, it doesn't really matter that they are circle or square, the placement on the screen is important, i think apple has vertical sliders on iPhone?
 (Photo, 800x707) https://irc.ubports.com/qXn11Dyg/file_1009.jpg
[19:02] <xorpad> Cool UI
[19:02] <xorpad> is that a Unity 8 theme?
 iOS 11
 @popescu_sorin, That's an overload
[19:02] <xorpad> ewwww iOS
 X-)
 @PhoenixLandPirate, indeed
[19:03] <xorpad> we need to reverse engineer iOS and get ubuntu touch working on iPhones
 um... no?
[19:04] <xorpad> lol some guy just said I'm an idiot for compiling AOSP from source thinking I'm better than the engineers at google
[19:04] <xorpad> obvious has no idea about compiling things or the android build process or... well anything to do with his statement
 The ubuntu touch top bar has some indicators that most of the time is just wasting space
[19:04] <xorpad> [14:57] <TheRabbit> or maybe just stick with Factory images for Nexus/Pixel line instead of thinking your smarter then Google Engineers and compiling your own
[19:05] <xorpad> lulz, moron
[19:06] <xorpad> I use newer compilers than android is meant to be built with and get amaizng performacne boosts... and AOSP is so much slimmer while still doing everything i need... Like i never respected the guy, but now I disrepect him
 @ValkMeister, yep, lots of indicators with only one option
 Yep, rotation-indicator xD
 keyboard layout
 location, although it also has settings
 bluetooth
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/jqCCwjGM/file_1011.jpg
 Even with some of them, stil weird. Perhaps some transparency ?
 without*
[19:16] <tgBot> <Daniele Giacosa> @Stereofont, Ok, thanks...
 @popescu_sorin, LOL can you please make it react on shaking the phone and then select a design randomly 😆
 @Flohack, that's not my design, it's from that article posted before. i would just replace the dialer with maybe a contact list because 99.99% i don't use it. maybe when you launch the dialer app you should see a list contacts list and maybe the freq called numbers in an easily reachable place and the whole dialer just a button somewhere in the UI
 Anyway, it needs shaking ^^
 yeah :D
 talking about UX
 i'm actually using Recent (bottom menu) for calls
 like in the old times
 contacts is hard to reach... and then i have to search
 the dialer is just taking pointless pace
 doing nothing
 @popescu_sorin By the way did you notice that the core Apps´ lower swipe indicator is not standardized? I think we should do this one day
 some have a different style and size
 yeah. finger painting app has a nice bottom menu
 (Photo, 768x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/ME21eQdY/file_1013.jpg
 not sure who's making this app but he's a native UXer :))
 would be nice to make some fake apps to test some UX ideas
 fake dialer01
 If you know how to do that, let me know?
 @popescu_sorin, nonono. Shake Dialer 😆
 @UniversalSuperBox, k :D
 @wayneoutthere we have a new idea, core apps that when shaked are changing their behaviour
 Like superenergetic cocktails ^^
 hmm Cocktail API? LOL
 @popescu_sorin, It clashes hardly with the current style
 yeah
 (Photo, 174x310) https://irc.ubports.com/0H6eEgHW/file_1015.jpg
 something like this would work for me, i think (as a dialer app)
 @popescu_sorin, I'm not a fan of that look
 @popescu_sorin, Hmm but thats not so hard to do, lets add a switcher for different views like in gallery, and then you can switch back & forth
 except ofc it needs to follow our style guide. and the style of the contacts app ^^
 yep, i'm only thinking about the UX, just ignore the graphics
 kk
 We could add a minigame like Asteroids ^^
 the idea is to just get rid of the dialer and replace it with a contact list
 Where the contacts are coming from top and moving, and you need to shoot the one that you want to call 😆
 no!
 You're undermining him @Flohack !
 sry Im quiet 😆
 We had made a pretty cool prototype for our dialer app in nemo
 (Photo, 1280x758) https://irc.ubports.com/bXmZzNhB/file_1017.jpg
 this is a bit better than the current one, with a screen split between a dialer and the recent calls?
 i just say to get rid of the dialer because it's just taking space and you actually not use it that often
 or at least in my case
 we can put a "dial" button somewhere for the rare case you actually need to dial a number
 Beautiful!
 Hi guys,
 so.. a speed dial of sorts on the first screen instead of a dialer.. don't know
 and no asteroids
 You mean, like in Android?
 :P
 I have used ubports installer for my Bq M10 FHD. It apparently didn"t work. The tablet won"t boot. I have the "Ubuntu powered" eternaly. Any clues?
 i like the back button on android ❤️
[19:57] <tgBot> <Frank Fricke> @giovanniiannotti, The boot time is very long because of a bug, you see the "Ubuntu powered" logo for maybe 3-4 min but then it works
 Well, it's been there for almost 10! But if it is 'normal' under the bug, I will wait.
[20:00] <tgBot> <Frank Fricke> ok, the first boot after the installion takes a very long time...in my case maybe 10min
 Thanks
 (Photo, 1280x800) https://irc.ubports.com/uBsvQQM8/file_1019.jpg
 @Flohack, That's because some app has been designed before UITK 1.3. Calculator app still uses the bottom edge component from UITK 1.1, for instance. … Other UITK 1.3 apps uses the upstream component, but still some app forces the desktop behavior of the BottomEdge (the one w/ the hint lable) for several reasons.
 Bottom edge is just a bad idea for convergent apps, imho ^^
 something like this, instead of the dialer pad (left), maybe a fast dialer/favs and the whole dialer just a button
 @sverzegnassi, it is, indeed
 even on the phone i don't really like to use the bottom edge :D
 @giovanniiannotti, There were some issues with full cache, so nowhere for the img to go. Maybe flash did not complete
 (Photo, 1280x800) https://irc.ubports.com/U7VOU24a/file_1021.jpg
 @sverzegnassi i would rather have something like this (with a botton nav like the open store)
 instead of a useless dialer and a bottom action
 Its true I use the keypad sometimes, but mostly I have to search for contacts or take them out of the recent list
 @Stereofont, It's been more then 30 min now. All the same. What should I do?
 Thanks
 @Flohack, yep
 that's what UX is all about, get drunk, have a bear in one hand and try to call your wife
 @popescu_sorin, I'm triyng. Still didn't call my wife.
 beer
 @giovanniiannotti, not drunk enough
 (Photo, 640x480) https://irc.ubports.com/NRnjUr1x/file_1023.jpg indeed
 @Flohack, what about the smash gesture?
 OhI forgot this one
 @giovanniiannotti, cheers :D
 cheers
 @sverzegnassi OMG the bottom menu works great! bottom on the phone, left or top on tablet, desktop (or something)
 @popescu_sorin, Yep, I think that's the way to go in the lack of Material FABs 🙂
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/5Td4VnSo/file_1024.webp
[21:02] <ubports_bot> Project daily-bacon build #292: SUCCESS in 11 min: http://ci.ubports.com/job/daily-bacon/292/
 @giovanniiannotti, You can get the splash screen if only part flashes. Probably you have not succeeded in installing. Did you come from Android?
[21:03] <ubports_bot> Project ota-push build #1124: SUCCESS in 1 min 6 sec: http://ci.ubports.com/job/ota-push/1124/
 Mr. Popescu Sorin, you have to change the video's name from Ubuntu phone/tablet to Ubuntu Touch on your Youtube channel. Good work.
 😉
 @Jaume81, the "touch" branding never made sense to me because the idea was to have a convergent OS, phone, tablet, desktop. touch is just one of many inputs, like mouse, keyboard, voice etc.. that's why i didn't want that in the title. also please don't call me Mr :P i'm just a random nobody. also Popescu Sorin is just a place holder username like John Doe :> not my real name
 @neothethird are you there?
 Nu >:(
 i want him to review my pr :O
[21:52] <tgBot> <M D> I just realize the existence of the post "hammerhead power button 3 times.:." In github. I didn't know it was a bug due to automatic brightness
[21:52] <tgBot> <M D> It was pissing me off lol
 @popescu_sorin, Mr. P.  Shall we therefore call you RN (Random Nobody) or Mr. D. John Doe?
 Well, it's better than calling it UBport.
 Or, like.... PirateOS. Weird things happen when you ask a distributed community for ideas.
 ha. until it converges, Ubuntu Touch makes sense because it's mainly touching
 TransformerOS
 It's a decepticon!
 @Stereofont, i like....
 MetamorphOS
 @wayneoutthere, Trademarked 🙁
 @wayneoutthere, How do you even pronounce than
 meta four oh ass
 metamorph-Oh-ESS
 ugh i misspelled that lol
 I'm gonn metamorph ur OS
 isn't that off-topic
 I met a morph once
 yes. sue me
 maybe we should move to an off-top chat: @ubports_ot
 (i'm here to promote the chat, not to blame you lol)
 crazy.  i just joined. it's real. and it's OT!
 gif central.
 (iwa sjust promoting it for you)
 is that going to an audiocast at some point? :P
[22:21] <tgBot> <Russ B> Has anyone hit a kernel panic on mako right after EXT4 mounts mmcblk0p23 or loop0?
 @UniversalSuperBox, right, UBports = Ubuntu ports? not sure what is a good naming, it's still mostly Ubuntu... and if 16.04 will use snaps is even more current Ubuntu :P but yeah UBports doesn't make a lot of sence now considering canonical droping unity8
 That name stays for the foundation.
 It'd be a pain to change it.
 @Russ B, Nothing that i've spotted. How did you realize this ?
[22:24] <tgBot> <Russ B> Trying to build halium based on los 14.1 for mako... I know this isn't a halium group per se but I figured kernel panic is generic enough problem :)
 @Ern_st, Been working daily also with my oneplus one, no problems whats so ever
 You see @wayneoutthere :) if you are interested i can find the bug report i've createf on launchpad @mariogrip
 sure
 @mariogrip @wayneoutthere  : https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1588526
[22:29] <tgBot> ferry_toth was added by: ferry_toth
 @ubot5, oh hey ubot
 @ferry_toth, welcome
 @ubot5, @popeydc I think one of your bots has escaped :) It does not matter since it's usefull, so for me it can stay, but just letting you know
[22:33] <popey> how did ubot5 get in here!?
 They merged #ubuntu-touch with #ubports
[22:33] <popey> we did that weeks ago
 I guess ubot though it was nice
 @popey, I guess it has a mind of it's own
 @Xorpad @UniversalSuperBox I had a look at the apt sources and they are coming from UT vivid repository: http://ports.ubuntu.com/dists/vivid/, … Overlay: https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/stable-phone-overlay
 So, they are just from ubuntu's regular vivid armhf repository, but updated from the overlay ppa
 Yeah
 I made / rw and did update, no updates found. But installed aptitude just fine
 To me that sound like for MX4 (or other devices that don't expect regular OTA's) that creating a ppa with newer packages should be a fairly simple way to stay up to date.
 I'm thinking just for subsystems, like bluez
 The mx4 can get ota's
 By putting the ubports image on it
 And will it?
 Yes
 Would that mean newer packages then vivid? Bluez is now at 5.41 (from the overlay). What would the OTA provide?
 Or if you want to possibly break something and absolutely not get support, https://launchpad.net/~ubports-developers/+archive/ubuntu/overlay
 And that's the newest we have.
 Ah. But this overlay has no bluez for vivid. So which would you have installed on MX4?
 Nothing new.
 And I don't think we can make kernel patches to those phones either.
[22:47] <xorpad> we can make kernel patches for any device
[22:47] <xorpad> drivers are a different story
 But will it flash and work correctly
 I don't know if the Ubuntu Editions have locked bootloaders or silly signing
[22:48] <xorpad> if we have a tool to extract the drives from official ROMs
[22:48] <xorpad> *drivers
 Also the released kernel sources are not up to date, or for the Ubuntu Editions.
[22:48] <xorpad> if we don't have a way to get the driver blobs, it won't be functional
 And there's no available device tree
 Vivid repo has 4.101, UT overlay has 5.41. If UB overlay has nothing does that mean you use 4.101?
 Nope.,
 It's our overlay stacked over the ut overlay stacked over Vivid
[22:49] <xorpad> honestly, kernel stuff is not a huge issue
[22:49] <xorpad> it's drivers that are
[22:50] <xorpad> because we don't have the hardware documentation for those parts in order to make drivers
 Ah. That is exactly what I was thinking to do. BTW why would you need to update the kernel. It is working fine as it is no?
 Blueborne is a driver bug, too
[22:50] <xorpad> @fery_toth the kernels(plural) need a lot of work before they are awesome
 Boy, I must be getting tired. Blueborne is a kernel bug, too
 Yes, but I am not too unhappy with my phone as is. Just the bluetooth, grrr
 Dunno if an update to bluez would magically fix that
[22:52] <xorpad> @fery_toth wouldn't you prefer longer battery life and increased performance if you had the option?
[22:52] <xorpad> and different governers for SoC
 Depends on what I loose by installing UB
 I have not heard a single complaint about losing something
 Bluetooth _seems_ to be working fine. But with earlier OTA's I had tethering over bt from my (kubuntu) laptop. That broke later and was never fixed.
 And in my car never had music playback, or handfree callin
 (that is with the official UT OTA's)
 So I would really like to make some progress in that direction. Don't hink that is a kernel or UI problem
 hink = think 😊
 So either bugs / regressions in bluez or in the confiuration