[00:39] <Fretegi> afternoon everyone
[00:50] <andres_> hola
[00:50] <andres_> spanish ?
[00:50] <tsimonq2> !es
[03:29] <lhc_> ..
[03:58] <usr_> ello
[03:58] <usr_> hello
[03:58] <usr_> anyone here?
[03:59] <diogenes_> yes
[03:59] <usr_> ok i have a question
[04:00] <diogenes_> no way
[04:00] <usr_> i'm using 16.04 and my trackpad works great, but when i tried using 17.10 my trackpad was basically unusable
[04:00] <usr_> any idea why?
[04:01] <diogenes_> driver issue
[04:01] <usr_> yea, i know, but what did they change regarding the drivers?
[04:03] <diogenes_> maybe this can help https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Laptop#Touchpad
[04:04] <usr_> that's for arch
[04:04] <diogenes_> that's for linux in general
[04:05] <usr_> well
[04:06] <usr_> for some reason my trackpad works well in 16.04 in Mate, poorly in 17.10 Mate, and well in Gnome Arch Linux
[04:07] <diogenes_> I think it's a conspiracy theory
[04:28] <wavrydr> anyone here
[04:30] <diogenes_> not sure
[04:31] <wavrydr> lol
[04:32] <wavrydr> i was wondering when my version's update cycle expires then do i have to backup my data and install the latest version or can i just upgrade?
[04:32] <wavrydr> diogenes_, you there
[04:33] <diogenes_> I'd recommend to upgrade only to lts
[04:34] <wavrydr> oh ok thanks
[04:34] <diogenes_> yw
[04:46] <wavrydr> diogenes_, how do i find out what version i have
[04:49] <diogenes_> in terminal run: lsb_release -a
[04:50] <wavrydr> ok thanks
[04:52] <wavrydr> yeah i have 16.04.3
[04:52] <wavrydr> lts
[04:53] <diogenes_> great
[04:55] <wavrydr> yep thanks
[10:05] <Langjan> Let's try once more: my problem in Ubuntu Mate 16.04 is that I cannot figure out how to configure the keyboard to make special characters (ë, â etc.) via the compose key.
[10:15] <alkisg> Langjan: what's the output of this? setxkbmap -query | nc termbin.com 9999
[10:48] <Langjan_> Hi everyone, I managed to log in and found a message about my problem with special characters but had to connect via my laptop to respond and now I don't see my message and cannot identify the sender
[10:49] <Langjan_> He asked for an output
[10:55] <Langjan> My problem is that I cannot configure my system to produce special characters via the compose key
[13:50] <liu> hey
[15:36] <RaspberryPi> Hello
[15:50] <TimApple> Howdy
[15:57] <Something1> I set up Ubuntu Mate today in much less than an hour, maybe 30 min, being not too familiar with Ubuntu, it´s all working great and it looks so integrated, like this screenshot! https://i.imgur.com/1QTXwix.png
[15:59] <Something1> Went to Google about the compositors, and had to install tlp while I heard it came preinstalled, but very happy with it! Thanks devs!
[16:00] <gogabouga> hello guys, any idea for reading pdc files on linux?
[16:00] <gogabouga> i cannot find anything on goolge
[16:01] <Something1> There´s a pdf viewer already. You can also open them up with the browser
[16:02] <gogabouga> no pdf
[16:02] <gogabouga> pdc
[16:06] <nemo> had to look that one up
[16:06] <nemo> some DRM crap it seem
[16:06] <nemo> s
[16:06] <nemo> https://fileinfo.com/extension/pdc
[16:08] <nemo> gogabouga: gonna say... wine.
[16:08] <nemo> https://www.locklizard.com/download_pdf_viewers/
[16:09] <nemo> could also try one of those apk converters for linux for the android one I guess
[16:09] <nemo> or. just avoid DRM crap
[16:13] <Something1> Locklizard has a web viewer. I think it´s more something to talk to the relevant person (manager, IT, publisher, whoever got you that), than to mess around with shady apps regardless of platform...
[16:15] <uofm49426> why does it take almost 9 minutes to go from grub to login screen on 17.04
[16:16] <diogenes_> uofm49426, you have to run in terminal: systemd-analyze blame
[16:18] <nemo> Something1: interesting. web viewers are much easier to manipulate than desktop apps
[16:19] <nemo> Something1: normally screenshotting still works, something that's now impossible w/ DRM on OSX.
[16:19] <nemo> thankfully there's still so much legacy out there that DRM pushers aren't requiring secure enclaves yet
[16:21] <Something1> Yeah it´s not going to stop anyone. Just use NDAs like normal companies
[16:22] <uofm49426> what she i see with systemd
[16:23] <Something1> Can you make a screenshot and upload it to imgur or something, uofm49426 ?
[16:27] <uofm49426> the 992ms lightdm 1.170 network.service is that messurement of load time
[16:27] <Something1> Yes, that means it takes 1 second to load lightdm. It should also give some totals at the top, like ¨10s (kernel)¨
[16:31] <uofm49426> so it took keyboard-setup.sevice to dev-sda5.device from 6.723s to 12.274s
[16:33] <diogenes_> uofm49426, is it laptop desktop?
[16:33] <uofm49426> its a x200t thinkpad
[16:34] <diogenes_> go to bios and check if it's ide or ahci
[16:34] <uofm49426> ahci
[16:36] <diogenes_> is it a new frash install?
[16:36] <uofm49426> yes
[16:36] <diogenes_> what OS you been using previously?
[16:38] <uofm49426> its kind off universal problem xubuntu and ubuntu-mate 17.04 my last normal everyday os is 16.04 xubuntu ive use mate 16.04 also
[16:39] <diogenes_> so it happens with all the distros?
[16:39] <uofm49426> yes
[16:40] <diogenes_> you have to say a huge thank you to lenovo, it's literally their politics, to make linux troublesome on their machines
[16:40] <diogenes_> I've had huge troubles with linux on every single lenovo that I been working with
[16:41] <diogenes_> whereas none, zero troubles with other manufacturers
[16:41] <uofm49426> i think its a problem with the change from swap part to swapfile
[16:41] <diogenes_> it doesn't matter if you say it's the same result on any distro
[16:42] <uofm49426> 16.04 boots fine
[16:44] <uofm49426> is there a way to boot without swap on to see if it is a swap probldem
[16:46] <diogenes_> run in terminal: cat /etc/fstab paste the output to some pastebin and share the link here
[16:47] <alkisg> uofm49426: run `dmesg | nc termbin.com 9999` to show us the boot proces
[16:49] <alkisg> ...or journalctl | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:53] <uofm49426> http://termbin.com/ks4h
[16:54] <Something1> diogenes_, thinkpads work great with Linux though..
[16:55] <diogenes_> Something1, ibm ones work great,
[16:56] <uofm49426> some of the earlier lenovo thinkpads where good too
[17:07] <uofm49426> if you go to termbin.com/67k3 is my systemd analyze
[17:09] <alkisg> uofm49426: I don't see any delays in those
[17:09] <alkisg> Where are you seeing delays, in autologin?
[17:10] <alkisg> After login issues show up in ~/.xsession-errors
[17:13] <uofm49426> when i alt tab the slash screen in boot it will say top left corner i /dev/sda5 clean xxxxxx/xxxxx number and will pause for like 7 minutes
[17:13] <alkisg> Do you have autologin enabled?
[17:13] <uofm49426> no
[17:13] <alkisg> That just happens to be the last visible message
[17:13] <alkisg> So after those 7 minutes, you see lightdm prompt for login?
[17:14] <alkisg> Also try it again with no ethernet connected, to verify it's not related to dns timeouts etc
[17:17] <uofm49426> no ill do a record using my phone and post on youtube what it does before i go back to 16.04 im not connected to ethernet i use my cell phone easytether for my internet
[17:18] <uofm49426> then ill do a recording booting 16.04 to show its not a hardware problem
[17:20] <uofm49426> i have to get going now truck driver .
[17:21] <uofm49426> have great day
[17:50] <Something1> Shouldn´t there be a whole bootlog in the journal? Maybe just upload that? Anyone know how to get that for uofm49426?
[21:42] <cristian_> HOLAÇ
[22:29] <Something1> Que tal?