[00:06] hey @neothethird i noticed that your stats.ubports page is literally 'off the charts'. … Literally. … Like.. there isn't a 10,000 … we've passed the limits of the graph. … good problem! [00:07] #BlameMarius [00:19] Hii [00:19] Blame Canada! [00:22] How come I don't see hammerhead image in any of the image downloads from ubports? [00:23] @xorpad, this is poetry. When teh world was going down they needed a scapegoat. … They found Canada. [00:24] do i use the generic or custom downloads and add the hammerhead stuff to the build tree/script? [00:25] I was playing with building ubuntu touch, and I couldn't find anywhere a hammerhead download [00:26] Project daily-hammerhead build #343: SUCCESS in 12 min: http://ci.ubports.com/job/daily-hammerhead/343/ [00:26] is that everything I need to build the image? [00:26] because i'm on that page right now, before you posted it [00:27] Also, tomorrow I get my nexus 4 i lent out back from the person who has it:D [00:28] Project ota-push build #1125: SUCCESS in 2 min 2 sec: http://ci.ubports.com/job/ota-push/1125/ [02:11] @xorpad, you can use the rootstock installer [02:11] https://github.com/ubports/rootstock-ng [02:45] (Photo, 1280x663) https://irc.ubports.com/mH5f6uQp/file_1026.jpg [02:45] @mariogrip i didn't see any configurations that work for hammerhead [02:46] A beast! it's building unity8 now [02:46] I built the script just to see what it produced [02:46] @xorpad, that script is to install the ubuntu rootfs [02:46] yeah... I'm trying to move away from building as part of the android tree [02:47] like i've been working on making things build out of the tree [02:47] my goal, is to boot ubports on bullhead and make it seem semi-functional [02:47] for now [02:48] obviously i'll keep working on it [02:49] ah! gotyah, sorry that script is for installing ubuntu touch. here is an ubuntu touch kernel that is built out of tree [02:49] https://github.com/ubports/kernel_bq_m10 [02:49] maybe that can help guide you [02:49] https://github.com/ubports/kernel_bq_m10/blob/ubuntu/aquaris_m10_FHD-build.sh [02:49] I have better things to guide me than a git repo [02:49] but the build script might help [02:50] I need to figure out how to build a working bootable system with binary blobs and everything [02:50] but don't tell me how [02:50] I want to figure it out by hacking around and learning the system [02:50] I love non-malicious hacking [02:50] okey, I will stay quiet :) [02:51] @mariogrip: If I don't get it in a day or 2 i'll ask for hints [02:51] :) [02:51] but I do projects half to do the project and half to challenge me and force me to grow [02:51] like, I'm doing this because it's hard, not because it's easy [02:58] Hopefully within a month or 2 I can get nexus 5x working as well as nexus 5 [02:59] Then I'll try something harder, like a exynos samsung phone [03:00] I have an s5 neo and an s7 exynos [03:00] so I can play with those:D [03:02] I dunno, I have a lot of things i want to do for this project [03:28] Hi. Anyone know where to buy E4.5? [03:28] what is E4.5? [03:36] the first solid ubuntu phone. [03:37] ahh [03:37] Have you looks online for used ones in your area? [03:37] I did check ebay, didnt see any yet [03:37] I got a sweet deal today [03:37] 2 unopened nexus 5x's for $400 [03:38] that's like 2 for the price of one [03:38] Does it got the redundancy needed? [03:38] what do you mean? [03:38] ubuntu phone is cheaper [03:38] condensator redundancy [03:38] I don't know... I just got them so I can work on porting ubuntu touch to the 5x [03:39] Nice [03:39] I'm unsure which one who was ordered at the same time as E4.5. thats the most durable samsung [03:39] yeah, os development especially low level stuff like kernel, are my main area of interest in computer science [03:39] I've been learning/practicing for a long time [03:40] Nice, I also have a degree within that. [03:40] I don't have any formal education, i'm self taught [03:40] well, i studied health sciences [03:40] Been helping with some reporting of some bugs kernel wise and ubuntu wise [03:40] cool [03:40] anything that helps the project is good [03:41] even if you're not coding you can be useful [03:41] cool, I think "missing syndrome" sickness becouse of foods is the biggest problem [03:41] I am a coder [03:41] oh cool [03:41] what kind of things do you like to code most? [03:41] webapps [03:42] using firebase + c9.io [03:42] didnt release anything yet. Just working part time with it at the moment with a friend [03:42] cool [03:43] I'm making an RPG with my friend, we already have been planning out how we want to do it [03:43] he's an artist/graphic designer, i'm a coder, and we're both into fantasy/mideval times stuff [03:45] nice, what kinda game do you make? [03:46] considering doing anything ubuntu wise? [03:46] not for the game... It's going to be an interactive novel [03:47] But ubuntu touch... Well i'm totally don't for working on that whenever I can [03:47] awesome project [03:49] firebase is nice for webapps becouse its the fastest backend service with connection everywhere redundant datacenter with really little delay everywhere so interactive apps wont be slow. [03:50] bought be google [03:50] so webapps can use it directly with only a frontend in html [03:50] Are you into coding with javascript? [03:51] no, i know some coffee script though [03:51] but i like c, python, and assembly [03:53] * xorpad sighs [03:53] I did a lot today, but none of it made any progress other than getting things out of the way that i have to do to get fully set up for wokring on this project [03:53] Same as me i'm into c, python and assembly myself [03:54] the perfect trifecta [03:54] perfect for ubuntu phone [03:54] you write your heavy lifting in assembly, your base functionality in C, compile them into a library, and use python to make the framework [03:56] webapps in javascript too I guess? [03:57] No... I don't like web development [03:57] I used to do it as a kid and I developed a hate for it when I became self-employed and always working as a preteen [03:57] back in those days, people would pay you $300 to write a basic html site for their small business [03:58] like, just simple html [03:59] J just like doing low level coding and hardware programming [03:59] well, and compiler stuff, an I've dabbled with AI [03:59] but mostly OS/kernel dev [03:59] I started learning it almost 15 years ago [04:00] Seems like your in the same wave as me then:) [04:00] :D [04:00] I really like #bash and #awk [04:01] I've been learning bash recently and regex [06:08] @wayneoutthere, keep in mind, that's no an accurate number ;) [07:01] Project click-import build #17: SUCCESS in 4.6 sec: http://ci.ubports.com/job/click-import/17/ [07:01] Project vivid-rootfs-armhf build #152: SUCCESS in 10 sec: http://ci.ubports.com/job/vivid-rootfs-armhf/152/ [07:01] Project ota-push build #1126: SUCCESS in 1.4 sec: http://ci.ubports.com/job/ota-push/1126/ [07:35] Any possibility to communicate through whatsupp with ubports? [07:35] @ferry_toth, +1 proper Wirkung Bluetooth would be fantastic! [07:51] @samitormanen, There is loquiim https://openstore.ubports.com/app/loquiim.nfsprodriver [07:51] But afaik it is not very stabile ATM... [07:55] But maybe you want to upgrade your friends and family a bit in terms of performant messaging services 😎 than try the really well working telegram app. Supergroups are available in the tg webapp. [07:57] Or. Help building future coming to Ubuntu touch by using and supporting the matrix.org app uMatriks https://openstore.ubports.com/app/umatriks.larreamikel [07:59] @Sander^home, I think some of the Android version were sold with Fnac branding in France [08:02] Good morning everyone [08:02] Are there any app for videocalls yet? [08:03] @bastos777, Ok. Thanks! [08:23] Project daily-fp2 build #361: SUCCESS in 13 min: http://ci.ubports.com/job/daily-fp2/361/ [08:25] @xorpad, Wow, plz ship one to me. :3 [08:25] Project ota-push build #1127: SUCCESS in 1 min 19 sec: http://ci.ubports.com/job/ota-push/1127/ [08:25] @popescu_sorin, My apolozige, I don't want to ofense you, it's a joke Mr. Popescu Sorin 👍. like you talked me in Spanish. But I think Ubports only make Ubuntu Touch, to convergence all device. Of course at the moment there aren't devices with arm but in a future maybe will be, now with a tv or monitor you can get a desktop limited expirience because there aren't libreoffice or the browser haven't got user desktop agent. [08:57] Hello! Anyone knows if there's a way to pass sound through hdmi and not the speakers of the M10FHD? thanks [08:59] @M D, Ring looks like the one with potential [09:04] Thanks Lio. I Will give it a look [09:23] @M D, Not in UT yet [09:25] @Jaume81, Actually with Libertine is possible to have libreoffice/desktop browser such as firefox [10:09] Yeah I realized that is not available in UT yet [11:03] @TronFourtyTwo, what's libertine? [11:28] Libertine is a container solution in order to run X apps via Xmir. You find more details on the ubports wiki here. [11:28] https://wiki.ubports.com/wiki/Libertine%3A-install-and-manage-desktop-applications [11:30] After setting up the container, you require addittionally the Desktop X App Scope from the Ubuntu Store (it's not yet in the Openstore, hope that it will be in the future ;-)). Then, all the installed apps show up on the scope where you can launch them. [11:32] https://github.com/TronFourtyTwo/OnTheRoad for the cli part [11:32] the scope is to load the installed x apps [11:33] it would be nice to have all in one place ;) [11:37] However, there are some restrictions depending on the apps using Qt or GTK libraries. For some apps the keyboard does not show up. However, most of the important apps like Libreoffice, Firefox, Thunderbird, etc. work like a charm. I used them for over a year on the phone. [11:59] ok. And Ubuntu Touch can I use snaps? [12:00] @Jaume81, Not now, but with the next major release it could be possible. Current kernels and 15.04 are missing snap support from upstream [12:03] Hello! Anyone knows if there's a way to pass sound through hdmi and not the speakers of the M10FHD? thanks [12:07] Hi people i want to talk about some packages where should i talk that ubuntu freenode or here ? It is about quantum science packages [12:07] @guinhas_4, Unfortunately I can not help. But if you want to have more sustainable awareness for your question you can use the ubports forum support section. [12:11] I'll do that then... Thank you very much! [12:18] @Flohack, 👍. Sometimes I think come back to Android but it's only a few things like nfc payments, sync accounts (thanks for caldav, it wait carddav abd task), a browser can use webs, or location wheater. I can't get it in the scope. With apps it's more easy but with a browser can use. Some bugs like the keyboard are awful. The scopes has very potencial and if it compare with android widgeds isn't the same. The scope is more nice. [12:18] @Jaume81, Keyboard bug in wwebapps and browser is onto the next OTA-3 schedule ;) [12:28] @Flohack, I asked sometimes but anybody answer, is Ubuntu Touch more or les secure than other OS? I mean if somebody can break and spy the screen or files, make a hack. [12:30] @Jaume81, Hard to tell. But we cannot provide digitally signed images that work only when they are correct, as we have to unlock bootloaders. Thats of course less secure than original Android [12:55] Project daily-mako build #136: SUCCESS in 12 min: http://ci.ubports.com/job/daily-mako/136/ [12:56] Project ota-push build #1128: SUCCESS in 1.2 sec: http://ci.ubports.com/job/ota-push/1128/ [12:56] holy crap. [13:24] How much difference is there today between stable and rc? [13:24] @TronFourtyTwo, Where do you download firefox for arm from? Raspberry package is all right? I guess android apk is not... [13:29] @Flohack, 👍. But I have the Meizu Pro5 Ubuntu then the bootloader would have to be lock, right? … If it's unlock means that the fuck seller lie me and he did a bad Ubuntu flash. [13:30] @Jaume81, No idea why this would be bad, you can always reflash, and you should, before using it [13:34] @Flohack, I don't have a windows pc or ubuntu pc to do it. I was read about it and I think it's better do by a ubuntu pc. When I bought I did a restore factory setting and install UBports OS, is it enought? [13:34] How did you install our UBports without a PC? [13:40] @JavierPuche, From packages.ubuntu.com I guess [13:51] 👍 thanks [13:52] How do I sync with nextcloud the contacts on UT from RC channel? The calendar is recognized but no contacts show up. [14:00] @JavierPuche, in the libertine container you can easily install it with apt … see the wiki for details [14:00] Ups, I'll do, thanks [14:09] @Flohack, with a macbook, but it isn't mine. [14:09] and with ubports tool. [14:10] macbook is a pc [14:19] yes but it isn't mine, a friend. [14:20] simply, I would have to ask again [14:21] I was install the stable version and I have some bugs. [14:22] @Jaume81, You can switch channels on the phone, without reinstall now [14:27] yes, to other channels and I did but I couldn't come back to the stable and I restore on phone. [17:22] We are working on a Suru Palette for Ubuntu Touch apps. If someone is interested, join https://t.me/joinchat/Cfg4oQ4Z-s3uWnFOCSiiww [17:25] @Stereofont, i saw wire is already in UT store (old one). Wire comes highly reviewed for security and has voip in web browser... [17:26] Wire uses the same protocol as Matrix (although they both wrote their own implementation) [17:26] It's rather neat, they even opened their servers recently under AGPLv3+ [17:27] But no instructions to host your own yet [17:30] Also still waiting for them to support libre Android [17:30] good morning folks [17:30] Matrix's Android client works without any of the proprietary Google libraries [17:31] well, it's afternoon here, but I just woke up so it feels like morning [17:31] Good TZAG [17:32] any kernel related bugs in hammerhead that I could address today as a warm-up while I do my usual slow journey towards productiveness? [17:32] Kernel bugs as warmup, geez lol [17:32] Extreme much? :P [17:33] Lorxu: the warpup towards porting touch to bullhead device [17:33] Ah [17:34] On that note, @Flohack or others, is UBports joining Hacktoberfest? [17:34] Because you really, really should [17:34] like looking for a bug as opposed to learning stuff I need to learn to do that task [17:34] Even my repo that nobody tends to care about got people trying to fix bugs [17:34] Hacktoberfest? [17:34] What and where is that? [17:34] https://hacktoberfest.digitalocean.com/ [17:35] People can win a t-shirt by making 4 pull requests. Only thing UBports needs to do is label some issues that people could fix with "Hacktoberfest", that's all [17:35] ooo digital ocean... After trying dozens of vps providers, avoiding any that charged ridiculous prices, they are the best i've found [17:35] all my server needs I get from them [17:41] Really, we need to join Hacktoberfest [17:41] It's just tagging some issues [17:41] Because of Hacktoberfest someone is setting up AppImages and a CI for Pext already and someone is volunteering to try to figure out how well Pext runs on Windows. I have had more contributors today than in two years [17:42] AsteroidOS also got some nice bugfixes out of it [17:44] @mariogrip @neothethird @UniversalSuperBox @nfsprodriver Also poking you because you're in the UBports org, you should really tag issues with "Hacktoberfest": https://hacktoberfest.digitalocean.com/#resources [17:45] I really wouldn't be pinging people personally like this if I didn't see just how great an opportunity this is [17:45] Because I know it's annoying to people [17:50] oh i thought it was a hacker conference by the name [17:50] I was like, all right another conference to go to every year or watch every talk from on youtube [17:50] Well it does sound like something I'd try to go to :P [17:50] Heh, last time I went to CCC I actually didn't go to a single talk [17:50] Too busy socializing, I had friends for once, like wtf lol, but was awesome [17:51] I went to 33c3, but I couldn't afford a place to stay while I was there so I was homeless for my week long vacation to germany [17:51] Also I ended up in a bathroom rave by following 2 guys carrying an oversize tetris piece while a guy in an unicorn costume was following them [17:52] That was probably the most awesome sentence I've ever read [17:53] They kept blocking the escalators because nobody could walk past them :P [17:53] Talking of cc3c Will be visiting bcc for qtws this week.. [17:54] BCC? [17:54] Berlin Congress center [17:54] Venue of cc3c [17:54] Ah [17:54] Shame they moved so you can't just lock yourself in a bathroom there until they start [17:59] @Lorxu, good to know. [18:00] wait, so we get could all get t-shirts for making pull requests we would make anyways if the project is part of it? [18:00] @xorpad, I guess so, if you sign up for it and you close issues that are tagged Hacktoberfest [18:00] oh it's specific issues [18:00] By making pull requests for them [18:00] Yeah, they need to be tagged by maintainers [18:01] I thought it was any legitamte contribution [18:01] So I also assume you can't make issues for your own projects :P [18:01] @Lorxu, Yes we discussed it, cou,d be that we come closer ^ [18:01] Just do it, it's only tagging issues [18:01] Do it do it do it :P [18:02] 😆 [18:02] (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/SXD5589Q/file_1027.webp [18:03] from the little experience I have in the open source community I've come to suspect that offering rewards for contributions doesn't make them more likely to get made [18:04] Most people to it because they want the change for themselves, they want to put it on their resume, they have a way to profit from it while not compromising the FOSS liscenses... I have all those reasons but I'm not money hungry so the profit one is not a true factor for me [18:05] I just do have ideas that could make money, but I'd rather code other things that are challenging and fun to work on than try to do the money making things [18:05] * xorpad shrugs [18:06] Like, obviously there's going to be paid apps, and obviously there's going to be forks of the project that are made for profit and contain components not covered by the FOSS licenses [18:06] but right now none of those things are what I want to do [18:07] It's nice to not be money driven, except it usually means you don't have much to spend when you want something [18:07] Maybe you want follow or even support the crowdfunding campain at https://puri.sm/shop/librem-5/ they lack some 12% to reach the goal of $1.500.000 - I spent right now $599 to get there [18:08] No, I don't want to support the crowd funding campain for a project that could take away from this projects potential user base [18:10] I had 3 people offering help for Hacktoberfest on my project today already, wow [18:10] cool:D [18:12] I support the UT for years, and now the UBports too (just look into the forum); the new project is not to withdraw people from here, it's just a new start of a really free phone (without any Android blobs inside) [18:14] I just got into phone programming and I wanted to make a linux based OS that was more linux-like and less bloated than android and less locked down than iOS. I was working on it for a while before I found out this project was revived after cannonical dropped it [18:14] so I came here when I found out ubuntu touch wasn't a dead project that never got enough love [18:15] That's neat [18:16] On my own it would have taken me 10 years to get where ubports is right now [18:16] If I did it all day ever day, which is typical of me when coding [18:17] just waiting for one massive git clone to finish then I'm gonna be coding until I'm too tired to go on [18:18] I remember those days of my life, was cool :) [18:21] I'm on disability, so I can literally code all day... But I can't get a job as a programmer because deadlines and stress me out and working on easy things or things I already know everything about is boring to me [18:22] and by stress me out I mean cause clinical anxiety issues [18:38] Ah, I understand that [18:43] yeah... but I've been getting better. 10 years ago I really needed to be on disability, now I'm following my doctors advice and making my return to normal life slow and comfortable [18:43] oopss... this is OT [18:43] sorry guys [18:44] It's fine, I'd say more but I don't really want to tell 840+ people how many issues I have :P [18:45] hah, I have no verbal/typing filter... stuff just comes out [18:45] My filter is really inconsistent and based on my mental state at any moment [18:45] Sometimes I'll say nothing, something way too much [18:46] bheemajeeshbabu was added by: bheemajeeshbabu [18:59] @Lorxu, We discusses Hacktober fest and our issue is, we got not the right documentation to let foreigners efficiently work for it. Not all our issues tickets are really solvable without some experience. But we might run over them and pluck what we can =) [19:19] Definitely would recommend trying to tag as much as you can [19:30] Okay, the git repo is synced, I have the official msm kernel with bullhead branch checked out, same for franco kernel, and lineageos kernel [19:30] Now I'm gonna go buy some redbull and get to work [19:30] Also I have the latest stable mainline kernel [19:36] @Flohack, At least you can get more visibility, as devs browse the tagged issues... Who knows. [19:36] free auditing too [19:36] yep [19:37] an audit of all the kernels and the entire platform including every package... would probably cost half a million dollars if you wanted top security researchers [19:38] so giving people a reason to read your code is always a good thing [19:38]