[01:19] <roasted> snaps seem to still require authentication?
[04:07] <lotuspsychje> did you fix it jayze 
[04:09] <jayze> Yeah everything is working pretty great
[04:09] <jayze> although I was not able to connect to wifi on campus today. Must be something of how the wifi is setup authentication wise.
[04:10] <jayze> Works just fine at home when im not on the dock and authenticates.
[04:13] <lotuspsychje> jayze: yeah .edu networks can be a pain
[04:14] <jayze> yep, I am not sure exactly what the issue is there. But I am going to work on it next week for sure. 
[04:40] <lotuspsychje> jayze: got any other bugs on artful you seen?
[04:43] <lotuspsychje> these are my founds https://bugs.launchpad.net/~lotuspsychje
[04:52] <jayze> mmm well, caffeine was crashing everytime I loaded up.
[04:52] <jayze> but I just removed it.
[04:53] <lotuspsychje> jayze: not very big issues :p
[04:53] <jayze> nope, not really.
[04:53] <lotuspsychje> jayze: overall gnome smoothness good for you on wayland?
[04:53] <jayze> Its been pretty stable, I did not even bother installing a LTS partition.
[04:54] <jayze> Very smooth.
[04:54] <jayze> Id try it on my desktop but I dont really want to setup dual booting on that machine. Though it would be way overpowered.
[04:55] <jayze> I am curious to see it run though
[05:01] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[05:06] <lotuspsychje> jayze: i got stuttering issue on xorg to wayland switch
[05:06] <lotuspsychje> on older ati x800
[05:21] <jstarnes> Hello, all. This afternoon I made a live usb of the beta iso. It worked fine on my desktop, however on my acer chromebook 14 with galliumos gave a boot error gfxboot. Is this a known issue?
[05:22] <lotuspsychje> jstarnes: try TAB to bypass it?
[05:24] <lotuspsychje> !nomodeset | jstarnes could also help
[05:29] <jstarnes> I am currently on the chromebook under gallium, so testing will have to wait a bit.
[05:39] <jstarnes> Set up irc on phone. I will try your suggestions.
[05:43] <jstarnes-and> Ok 'live nomodetest' got me to the live desktop. Thanks
[05:44] <lotuspsychje> !yay | jstarnes-and 
[05:49] <yookoala> Do you guys know much about Linux display stack?
[05:50] <yookoala> How does Linux treat tty console differently than the Xorg / wayland display?
[05:53] <yookoala> I'm still tracing a bug with Gnome, where it logs me off everytime I turn off the screen.
[05:54] <yookoala> But I do not know enough to the display stack to pin point the exact pacakge thats responsible.
[06:36] <ducasse> yookoala: you don't really need to know, if you file a bug against some package that might be involved the devs will take care of reassigning it properly
[06:42] <yookoala> ducasse: I have filed a bug but I don't know if devs noticed that.
[06:42] <yookoala> I guess I might filed it under the wrong package.
[06:43] <ducasse> which package did you file it against? what is the bug number?
[06:45] <yookoala> ducasse: bug #1721428 under gnome-shell
[06:46] <ducasse> give me a moment to read it
[06:46] <yookoala> ducasse: Thanks
[06:49] <ducasse> it was only filed two days ago, that's not long. i suggest posting in the discussion thread you mention to get others to first of all confirm the bug, then add their comments. that will add to it's visibility.
[06:52] <yookoala> ducasse: There are already others (I believe from the forum thread) commented on the issue. But I think I gotta wait then.
[06:58] <jstarnes-and> On the liveusb I have not been able to get sound via the speakers or headphones. Happily bluetooth ad2p do work. Any ideas?
[08:06] <adamitsch> Why my computer wont shut down on 17.10?
[08:14] <adamitsch> and my area selection screenshot doesn't work ... :/
[13:18] <qqqwxlea> anybody have any success running gnome-music on 17.10 beta?
[14:19] <roasted> qwxlea: I was able to launch gnome music and play a local track
[14:19] <roasted> it doesn't seem to understand the symlink though. My music is symlinked over autofs from a smb share on my server.
[14:19] <roasted> I haven't used gnome music in a long time. This is kind of blah compared to rhythmbox. :<
[14:20] <roasted> Is anybody else noticing any weirdness with 17.10 and Wayland? Just a minute ago I had about 3 or 4 programs open. I hit CTRL Q to close VLC and my entire session logged out.
[14:20] <roasted> This has happened a few times...
[14:21] <qwxlea> roasted: thanks, that explains some missing stuff, the startup is just very slow on first start, I forgot about it and after an hour stuff appeared
[14:21] <qwxlea> but so far it's stable
[14:21] <roasted> yeah. i mean it functioned for what few local tracks I had
[14:21] <roasted> but if I can't tap into a network share for my music this thing is DOA to me. :P
[14:21] <qwxlea> yep, went back to clementine
[14:21] <roasted> I also find it irritating that just by clicking a track it auto plays it
[14:22] <qwxlea> which is ugly...
[14:22] <roasted> so when I was in IRC and lcick back to gnome music to make it active window, it switched my track
[14:22] <roasted> I haven't used clementine in a while now.
[14:22] <roasted> I hav ea soft spot for Clementine -- I used it to run the music at my own wedding 5 years ago. :P
[14:22] <roasted> I quite like rhythmbox tho. More simplistic than Clementine but it actually has useful/expected features vs Gnome Music.
[14:22] <qwxlea> clementine is like the dog from GOT, ugly but powerful, potentially evil (qt)
[14:23] <roasted> I think I have some misguided anger towards Qt at the moment.
[14:23] <roasted> The appindicator is acting silly with Qt apps
[14:23] <qwxlea> i like krita...
[14:23] <roasted> so i'm finding myself looking for a new IRC client that isn't Qt just to avoid that bug
[14:23] <roasted> I hope it gets fixed by release though
[14:23] <roasted> it's maddening
[14:24] <qwxlea> testing polari here
[14:24] <roasted> I'd rather simply not use appindicator than my icons changing just by my screen locking
[14:24] <roasted> I'm tempted to try out polari
[14:24] <roasted> but I would need some sort of bouncer
[14:24] <roasted> I use quassel-core and quassel-client. It's gravy.
[14:24] <roasted> I would need to set up ZNC or something to switch clients if I want that same feature set.
[14:24] <roasted> and ZNC is hilarious to set up vs that of QuasselCore
[14:24] <madigens> roasted: https://riot.im/
[14:25] <roasted> never heard of this madigens
[14:25] <roasted> looks neat at first glance tho
[14:25] <madigens> me neither until a month ago. it's an online messenger thingamabob with irc bridging
[14:25] <roasted> can I host it on my server?
[14:26] <madigens> maybe, the core is apparently opensource
[14:26] <qwxlea> madigens: that is not an inspiring line
[14:26] <qwxlea> :-)
[14:26] <roasted> haaa
[14:26] <madigens> :P
[14:26] <roasted> any of you running 17.10 with wayland?
[14:26] <qwxlea> yes
[14:27] <roasted> you see any random log outs when you hit certain keyboard shortcuts?
[14:27] <madigens> i'd love to run wayland but i don't seem to get that option
[14:27] <qwxlea> like what shortcuts?
[14:27] <roasted> like I hit CTRL Q to close VLC
[14:27] <roasted> an dit logged out my entire                                                                                             session
[14:27] <qwxlea> just a sec... let me try
[14:27] <roasted> and somehow my laptop locked up typing that as I hit space bar
[14:28] <roasted> like just now I did it and it closed VLC fine
[14:28] <roasted> but 15 mins ago
[14:28] <roasted> session just died as if I hit log out
[14:29] <qwxlea> nope works fine vlc+wayland+CTRL-Q
[14:29] <roasted> it's happened with other apps too
[14:29] <qwxlea> but i have a super-simple graphic card
[14:29] <roasted> I don't even use VLC. That was the first time I opened it.
[14:29] <qwxlea> gnome-mpv here
[14:29] <roasted> yeah
[14:29] <roasted> I dig gnome-mpv and mpv
[14:29] <roasted> for difference use-case scenarios
[14:30] <roasted> what's your experience with appindicator
[14:30] <roasted> are you getting any wishy washy icons?
[14:30] <roasted> i.e. screen times out or you lock it, come back, half are gone?
[14:31] <roasted> seems isolated to Qt apps for the most part
[14:31] <qwxlea> nope, sofar everything is great, better then kde-neon-plasma which crashed daily
[14:31] <qwxlea> but i have been in chrome-emacs-gnome-terminal for two days, mainly
[14:31] <roasted> yeah I had a bad experience with neon
[14:32] <roasted> it does it with apps like dropbox and nextcloud too
[14:32] <roasted> and quassel in my case
[14:32] <roasted> telegram
[14:32] <qwxlea> yes, i try kde every two years or so, and then go back to gnome
[14:32] <roasted> if I lock screen and come back telegram, quassel, dropbox gone
[14:32] <roasted> nextcloud remains somehow
[14:32] <roasted> it's squirrely
[14:32] <qwxlea> ok, i haven't installed those yet, let me try installing dropbox ... brb
[14:36] <qwxlea> installing dropbox always makes me feel a bit dirty...
[14:36] <roasted> yeah. I really don't use dropbox much.
[14:37] <roasted> 5GB of Dropbox or 1TB on my nextcloud... tough decision :P
[14:37] <roasted> dropbox is a good example of the issue with appindicator that 17.10 will use, tho
[14:38] <qwxlea> roasted: you have a private nextcloud install?
[14:38] <roasted> yeah
[14:38] <roasted> I just host it on an old light power server in my basement
[14:38] <roasted> threw two laptop drives in there, 2x1TB, raid1'd them. it works. :P
[14:38] <qwxlea> ok, testing closing my laptop, and coming back, hopefully... brb 
[14:39] <roasted> no need to test close. Even a simple lock screen + log in (Super L, then log back in) will simulate the issue. :P
[14:40] <roasted> hope the bug gets more traction by release
[14:40] <qwxlea> ok, got myself a beer, as i am being super helpful today :-)
[14:40] <roasted> you see the dropbox systray icon disappear?
[14:40] <qwxlea> dropbox icon is gone
[14:40] <roasted> there's a bug somewhere. could +1 it. :P sec...
[14:41] <roasted> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell-extension-appindicator/+bug/1719192
[14:41] <roasted> I gotta jet for a bit. back later. thanks for the quick confirmation. :P
[14:41] <qwxlea> welcome!
[15:03] <iratemin> Looking for some assistance on a wifi problem.  Upgraded 17.04 - 17.10 last night.  Wifi connects but continues to show a ? instead of strength.  Unable to resolve any address.
[15:03] <iratemin> Asking again before I wipe the laptop. 
[15:04] <qwxlea> iratemin: you can do some debugging with nmcli
[15:06] <iratemin> im not experienced with that tool but can read up on it.  What types of checks do you suggest running?
[15:10] <qwxlea> start with nmcli> some pastebin, it is probably a driver issue 
[15:13] <iratemin> sounds good.  I'll play with it tonight.  thanks for the advice
[15:17] <qwxlea> iratemin: we had stuff like this before: https://askubuntu.com/questions/613065/unable-to-connect-to-wireless-network-following-upgrade-to-15-04
[15:17] <qwxlea> have fun!
[20:04] <tosmann> Hi all, has anyone got any experience with the networking changes in Ubuntu 17.10 server in regard to static IPs and bridge interfaces?
[20:36] <tosmann> Mmmmmm.... juicy silence....
[20:40] <Bashing-om> tosmann: Generalities are too broad . Got a specific question ?
[20:43] <tosmann> Bashing-om: Yes - I've tried setting my network preferences (static) the same way I used to in 17.04 and 16.10 ( /etc/network/interfaces). This is ignored in 17.10. I've also tried to create a /etc/systemd/network/25-myconf.network but this is also ignored. I can't find any documentation on what has changed or what should be the "preferred" way of doing things now - thus, I ask - what changed? I want to create my br0 interface that has th IP and config 
[20:44] <tosmann> and redirect it to my enp8s4f0... 
[20:46] <Bashing-om> tosmann: Good question that I do not know the answer to . no br0 experience here . wait for the response here of those who do know .
[21:11] <qwxlea> tosmann: the best docs i used, but that was last year or so: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd-networkd#Bridge_interface
[21:14] <qwxlea> is tracker-preferences dead? how do i tell tracker NOT to index certain folders?
[21:22] <ducasse> tosmann: aiui, network configuration is now handled by netplan, but it is (or is supposed to, anyway) auto-generate config from existing /e/n/i or nm setups
[21:22] <ducasse> you might want to look into it anyway, 'nplan' package. i've got a link, somewhere...
[21:35] <tosmann> ducasse: step 1, hurdle 1: 
[21:35] <tosmann> root@thjalfi:/etc/systemd/network# netplan ifupdown-migrate
[21:35] <tosmann> Unsupported method manual
[21:36] <tosmann> iface enp8s4f0 inet manual  <---- needed in the old /e/n/i when using a bridge...
[21:41] <ducasse> oh, faaantastic. i was thinking of upgrading my desktop today, glad i didn't...
[21:44] <ducasse> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Netplan https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MigratingToNetplan
[21:46] <roasted> qwxlea: I have the opposite problem. Tracker seems to work against the default folders, but not of anything inside new folders I created, such as nextcloud, etc.
[21:46] <roasted> oh what the
[21:47] <roasted> think I just found it actually?
[21:47] <qwxlea> roasted: gnome-control-center > search,  little star, add OTHER location
[21:47] <roasted> qwxlea: system settings >> search >> 3 lines in lower right corner
[21:47] <roasted> qwxlea: but doesn't that answer your question too as you can just disable what you don't want?
[21:48] <qwxlea> roasted: maybe, it might take some time for stuff to appear, disapear from the index
[21:48] <qwxlea> it sure is no OSX-spotlight :-(
[21:49] <roasted> I'm already getting results populating
[21:49] <roasted> so tracker must have updated
[21:50] <roasted> a more logical default approach would be any non-hidden dir in /home/$USER
[21:50] <roasted> wonder if I can just do that...
[21:58] <tosmann> ducasse: the magic line that will unbreak the network; "apt install ifupdown" :) Thanks for the link. I think they still have a mile to go with the migration to Netplan. It may be a good idea from a descriptive installation point of view - but from the viewpoint of a sysop of decades, it's "one more thing I have to learn and another which I can't unlearn". I've installed ifupdown and am about to reboot - let's see if the iron comes up with an active 
[21:58] <tosmann> network again :)
[22:05] <Bashing-om> tosmann: fingers crossed :)
[22:06] <ducasse> tosmann: let's hope so :) seems it's trendy to plug in new software before it can do the stuff the old did...
[22:15] <tosmann> nope, still comes up on dhcp :|
[22:24] <kiroma> GRUB doesn't display anything for me, but still responds to keyboard actions.
[22:24] <kiroma> It started happening recently.
[22:30] <tosmann> ok, progress - installed bridge-tools (which aren't installed by default - my oversight) and rebooted, now the interfaces _are_ correctly configured - but something still tags as failed in starting the network (delaying boot for almost 2 minutes)...
[22:47] <Bashing-om> tosmann: ' systemd-analyze ; systemd-analyze blame ' give any hints ?
[23:31] <tosmann> The problem was systemd-networkd-wait-online - and it wasn't enough to do systemctl disable, it needed systemctl mask
[23:31] <tosmann> but at least no I have liftoff. Reboot time down to 160 seconds...
[23:32] <tosmann> s/no/now